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nautical_disaster said:I was listening once again to the Ed Ved episode on the Smartless podcast the other day (great podcast btw), and in so many words Ed mentioned that if the setlist was set for shows, it would make the process of touring so much easier. So would you guys prefer the tours we've been getting with the variety of songs still in play, or would you prefer a 40 dates NA tour with basically a standard 18 song setlist with maybe 4-6 wildcard songs in play?Noblesville 5.7.2010. Lexington 4.26.2016. Nashville 9.16.2022. St Louis 9.18.2022.
Chicago 1 9.5.2023. Chicago 2 9.7.2023.
*Noblesville 9.10.2023* (Gutted)
Seattle 5.30.2024 Noblesville 8.26.2024 Chicago 8.29.2024 Chicago 8.31.2024
Pittsburgh 5.16.2025 Pittsburgh 5.18.20250 -
Kwieneke said:nautical_disaster said:I was listening once again to the Ed Ved episode on the Smartless podcast the other day (great podcast btw), and in so many words Ed mentioned that if the setlist was set for shows, it would make the process of touring so much easier. So would you guys prefer the tours we've been getting with the variety of songs still in play, or would you prefer a 40 dates NA tour with basically a standard 18 song setlist with maybe 4-6 wildcard songs in play?
I get it though....lots of songs to remember and if you don't practice them all often enough shit just doesn't hold togetherRemember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt20 -
Gern Blansten said:Kwieneke said:nautical_disaster said:I was listening once again to the Ed Ved episode on the Smartless podcast the other day (great podcast btw), and in so many words Ed mentioned that if the setlist was set for shows, it would make the process of touring so much easier. So would you guys prefer the tours we've been getting with the variety of songs still in play, or would you prefer a 40 dates NA tour with basically a standard 18 song setlist with maybe 4-6 wildcard songs in play?
I get it though....lots of songs to remember and if you don't practice them all often enough shit just doesn't hold togetherNoblesville 5.7.2010. Lexington 4.26.2016. Nashville 9.16.2022. St Louis 9.18.2022.
Chicago 1 9.5.2023. Chicago 2 9.7.2023.
*Noblesville 9.10.2023* (Gutted)
Seattle 5.30.2024 Noblesville 8.26.2024 Chicago 8.29.2024 Chicago 8.31.2024
Pittsburgh 5.16.2025 Pittsburgh 5.18.20250 -
Kwieneke said:Gern Blansten said:Kwieneke said:nautical_disaster said:I was listening once again to the Ed Ved episode on the Smartless podcast the other day (great podcast btw), and in so many words Ed mentioned that if the setlist was set for shows, it would make the process of touring so much easier. So would you guys prefer the tours we've been getting with the variety of songs still in play, or would you prefer a 40 dates NA tour with basically a standard 18 song setlist with maybe 4-6 wildcard songs in play?
I get it though....lots of songs to remember and if you don't practice them all often enough shit just doesn't hold together
I wonder what the count will be this year with only 9 shows. Hopefully with the 2 shows in most cities they mix it up a lot.0 -
demetrios said:Jadler said:I’m pretty sure Stone was on Sirius XM after the tour last year for a “Year in Review” interview saying these show lengths/ number of songs are here to stay for the most part. I’m paraphrasing, but basically “makes for a much better product, less burn-out and physical strain.” Didn’t sound like they will be going to a cookie cutter setlist anytime soon though which is great news. Wish I could find the clip!This one? 2022 Year In Review SiriusXM Pearl Jam Radio December 23rd 2022Jonathan Cohen talks about the set list length @ the 79th mark. Don't remember Stone saying anything about show lengths / number of songs.0
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Jadler said:demetrios said:Jadler said:I’m pretty sure Stone was on Sirius XM after the tour last year for a “Year in Review” interview saying these show lengths/ number of songs are here to stay for the most part. I’m paraphrasing, but basically “makes for a much better product, less burn-out and physical strain.” Didn’t sound like they will be going to a cookie cutter setlist anytime soon though which is great news. Wish I could find the clip!This one? 2022 Year In Review SiriusXM Pearl Jam Radio December 23rd 2022Jonathan Cohen talks about the set list length @ the 79th mark. Don't remember Stone saying anything about show lengths / number of songs.
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incognitony said:THEBIBLEISTEN said:It’s not the length, it’s the gurth0
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This tour is perfect for NO REPEATS.Metallica is playing 2 nights in every city, no repeats, through next year.Found: Soundgarden Hyde Park DVD (Thank you for the gift!)
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I’ve seen them 30 times, they’re all old af and tired and so am I. Greatest Hits only going forward, make some new fans.Chicago 6/29/98, Alpine Valley(EV) 6/13/99, Alpine Valley 10/08/00, Chicago 10/09/00, Phoenix 10/20/00, Orlando 4/12/03, Tampa 4/13/03, San Diego 6/05/03, Vegas 6/06/03, Phoenix 6/07/03, Chicago 6/18/03, Alpine Valley 6/21/03, Orlando 10/08/04, D.C. 10/11/04, Chicago 5/16/06, Chicago 5/17/06, LA 7/12/08, Chicago 8/23/09, Chicago 8/24/09, LA 10/07/09, San Diego 10/09/09 (Front Row Center, Finally), Phoenix(EV) 11/4/11, Wrigley 7/19/13, Phoenix 11/19/13, Denver 10/22/14, Wrigley 8/20/16, Wrigley 8/22/160
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given2fly23 said:This tour is perfect for NO REPEATS.Metallica is playing 2 nights in every city, no repeats, through next year.
Yah, but they'll probably play the same two setlists in every city. So technically it could be less variety than a PJ tour.
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Foriginal Sin said:I’ve seen them 30 times, they’re all old af and tired and so am I. Greatest Hits only going forward, make some new fans.0
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tylermoore said:Foriginal Sin said:I’ve seen them 30 times, they’re all old af and tired and so am I. Greatest Hits only going forward, make some new fans.0
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Abe Froman said:tylermoore said:Foriginal Sin said:I’ve seen them 30 times, they’re all old af and tired and so am I. Greatest Hits only going forward, make some new fans.0
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It is what it is now.
As long as it's quality it doesn't matterbrixton 93
astoria 06
albany 06
hartford 06
reading 06
barcelona 06
paris 06
wembley 07
dusseldorf 07
nijmegen 07
this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -0 -
I think we got spoiled for years with the 3+ hour shows. I've been to a ton of concerts and nobody plays that long. I have enjoyed it while it lasted though.
The older they get, I expect for them to be around 2 hours and 15 minutes and 2 hours and 30 minutes depending on the tour schedule, but we can be sure that it's still going to be different every night and it's still going to rock!1998: Noblesville, IN 08-172000: Noblesville, IN 08-182003: Noblesville, IN 06-222006: Cincinnati, OH 06-242010: Noblesville, IN 05-072016: Lexington, KY 04-26, Wrigley Field 2 08-222018: Wrigley Field 1 08-18, Wrigley Field 2 08-202022: St. Louis, MO 09-182024: Noblesville, IN 08-26, Wrigley Field 1 08-29, Wrigley Field 2 08-31
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I think its fair to expect that shows will be 2-2 1/4 hrs, and cities with two shows will get very diverse setlists
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Kwieneke said:Gern Blansten said:Kwieneke said:nautical_disaster said:I was listening once again to the Ed Ved episode on the Smartless podcast the other day (great podcast btw), and in so many words Ed mentioned that if the setlist was set for shows, it would make the process of touring so much easier. So would you guys prefer the tours we've been getting with the variety of songs still in play, or would you prefer a 40 dates NA tour with basically a standard 18 song setlist with maybe 4-6 wildcard songs in play?
I get it though....lots of songs to remember and if you don't practice them all often enough shit just doesn't hold together
It is interesting that by the Louisville show (festival) I only got 5 songs that I had not seen yet...Off he Goes, In Hiding, Lukin, Garden, Purple Rain
Two of those shows were at Oakland, night two had 10 repeats from night one but that was likely related to not having Matt
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1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt20 -
I loved the St. Louis show last year and it was the shortest show I've seen them play since Lolla in 07 and I loved it. You look at that St. Louis setlist and it's bonkers weird. The songs not played (Evolution, Jeremy, Given, Daughter, Better Man, Porch, Rearviewmirror) with songs like Glorified G, Dissident, Breath, SOLAT, Life Wasted, Once, Sad, Of the Girl & I am Mine all in the same set. That's fun. Yeah, heavy Ten, light on Gigaton but I'll take that set and the surprise of what I got to hear together as opposed to what I didn't. And they were tight. Tightest I've seen them in a long time. So if it's that show length I'm cool with it.98: St. Louis. 2000: Alpine. 2003: Chicago. 2006: Chicago Night 2, Milwaukee Night 1. 2007: Chicago (Lolla). 2009: Chicago 1 & 2. 2011: Alpine 1 & 2. 2013: Chicago & LA Night 1. 2016: Chicago 1 & 2. 2018: Chicago 1 & 2.
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Everyone is worried about the length of the shows....what about the width?
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Honestly, as the setlists were coming in, I was hugely disappointed. I get it, we are all getting older, but it was such a drastic difference but then again, it's been a long 3+ years from 2018 shows. The cancellations were also a huge bummer. Then I saw them at Camden, and it changed my opinion. I had an absolute blast and didn't feel that it was any less amazing. If 25 songs is what we get, I'll take that over no shows at all.I do think there was a conscious decision after Taylor Hawkins (as well as Cornell's) that maybe we don't have to figuratively kill ourselves every night as it may have contributed to literal death.Go Get 'Em Tigers!0
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Lost In Ohio said:People are definitely traveling for their white whales, to finish off albums, etc.
There's no way people would travel if it was a Taylor Swift setup. People travel for her shows, but only because she's the current "Big Thing." IIRC, out of her two "secret songs" one is predictable, as it's off a specific album.
It'd be like if PJ did 35 songs, but song 28 was guaranteed to be off Ten, song 29 was a wildcard and the other 33 were the same as every other night.
You could go to any site that has the tour setlist and follow along. I've done that with some bands that maybe I know the radio hits and I don't really like knowing what songs are coming...even though those bands are gonna play the songs I know.
My theory is the Swifties are swallowing it up because:
They're largely women who scream for anything and everything Taylor. (I'm not saying all women are like that...but yeah, it's a pop sensation thing. BTS is the same way. "OMG! SHE SAID THE WORD MIDNIGHT! IT MEANS SOMETHANNGGGGG!?!??") Her song that mentions whatever date was played on that date and they acted like it was a big shock.
Compare that to PJ fans who are much more mellow. "Oh, they covered Mother Love Bone in Ft. Worth? Of course they did."
They're kids who don't need different setlists every night and it might even cause jealousy/drama if a certain city got a specific song whereas someone's cousin in another city didn't.
She's also created one hell of a hype machine. Jimmy Fallon's replay the other night was of visit. Jimmy was tiptoeing around the fact she hadn't toured in a while. TS agreed and had a "hmmm, maybe I should tour" and her fans went ape. PJ fans would be like "oh, there's gonna be a tour soon? Well, we already know the dates and cities."
With that said, pop music almost *has* to be the same every night with the theatrical portion (pre-recorded videos, costume changes, backup dancers). Since Pearl Jam really just has the guys on stage without pyro, drones, videos every 4-5 songs, they can not only mix it up every night, but also call an audible 45 minutes after the third song got played.
PJ doesn't need the same setlists every night.
Frankly, I'm surprised it took Metallica 40 years to figure it out.Still, a 3 and a half hour 45 song set is damn impressive. A joy to be young. Too bad youth is wasted on the young. Oh…and we are never ever getting back together.0 -
PJNB said:Kwieneke said:Gern Blansten said:Kwieneke said:nautical_disaster said:I was listening once again to the Ed Ved episode on the Smartless podcast the other day (great podcast btw), and in so many words Ed mentioned that if the setlist was set for shows, it would make the process of touring so much easier. So would you guys prefer the tours we've been getting with the variety of songs still in play, or would you prefer a 40 dates NA tour with basically a standard 18 song setlist with maybe 4-6 wildcard songs in play?
I get it though....lots of songs to remember and if you don't practice them all often enough shit just doesn't hold together
I wonder what the count will be this year with only 9 shows. Hopefully with the 2 shows in most cities they mix it up a lot.Take Hamilton and Toronto 2022 as the example.1996.....Toronto
2005.....Hamilton
2011.....Toronto N1, Toronto N2, Hamilton
2013.....London, Buffalo
2014.....Detroit
2016.....Toronto N1 Toronto N2, Boston N1, Boston N2, Chicago N1
2018.....Seattle N1, Seattle N2
2022.....San Diego, Los Angeles N1, Los Angeles N2, Phoenix, Oakland N1, Oakland N2, Quebec City, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto
2023.....Fort Worth N1, Fort Worth N2, Austin N1, Austin N2
2024.....Las Vegas N1, Las Vegas N2, Los Angeles N1, Los Angeles N2, Boston N1, Boston N2
2025.....Raleigh N1, Raleigh N2, Pittsburgh N1, Pittsburgh N2
2026.....?????????????????????????????????????????0 -
nautical_disaster said:PJNB said:Spiritual_Chaos said:PJNB said:Spiritual_Chaos said:PJNB said:nautical_disaster said:I was listening once again to the Ed Ved episode on the Smartless podcast the other day (great podcast btw), and in so many words Ed mentioned that if the setlist was set for shows, it would make the process of touring so much easier. So would you guys prefer the tours we've been getting with the variety of songs still in play, or would you prefer a 40 dates NA tour with basically a standard 18 song setlist with maybe 4-6 wildcard songs in play?
If they did a Foo Fighters type set every night they would not sell nearly as many tickets as they do right now.
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We saw the Foo at the first Global Citizen festival in 2011 or 2012, and afterwards I honestly forgot I had ever seen them. Was in the midst of a discussion years later about bands we had never seen when it clicked that I had seen them. Make of that what you will.___________________________________________
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The flip side is no angst or fomo. You get what you expect, if you really like it you go again. Then you're done.
I suffer greatly with the PJ fomo, but the repeated chance of the sublime, that's the PJ experience. Wouldn't trade it!Post edited by OfThePearl on0 -
Lost In Ohio said:People are definitely traveling for their white whales, to finish off albums, etc.
There's no way people would travel if it was a Taylor Swift setup. People travel for her shows, but only because she's the current "Big Thing." IIRC, out of her two "secret songs" one is predictable, as it's off a specific album.
It'd be like if PJ did 35 songs, but song 28 was guaranteed to be off Ten, song 29 was a wildcard and the other 33 were the same as every other night.
You could go to any site that has the tour setlist and follow along. I've done that with some bands that maybe I know the radio hits and I don't really like knowing what songs are coming...even though those bands are gonna play the songs I know.
My theory is the Swifties are swallowing it up because:
They're largely women who scream for anything and everything Taylor. (I'm not saying all women are like that...but yeah, it's a pop sensation thing. BTS is the same way. "OMG! SHE SAID THE WORD MIDNIGHT! IT MEANS SOMETHANNGGGGG!?!??") Her song that mentions whatever date was played on that date and they acted like it was a big shock.
Compare that to PJ fans who are much more mellow. "Oh, they covered Mother Love Bone in Ft. Worth? Of course they did."
They're kids who don't need different setlists every night and it might even cause jealousy/drama if a certain city got a specific song whereas someone's cousin in another city didn't.
She's also created one hell of a hype machine. Jimmy Fallon's replay the other night was of visit. Jimmy was tiptoeing around the fact she hadn't toured in a while. TS agreed and had a "hmmm, maybe I should tour" and her fans went ape. PJ fans would be like "oh, there's gonna be a tour soon? Well, we already know the dates and cities."
With that said, pop music almost *has* to be the same every night with the theatrical portion (pre-recorded videos, costume changes, backup dancers). Since Pearl Jam really just has the guys on stage without pyro, drones, videos every 4-5 songs, they can not only mix it up every night, but also call an audible 45 minutes after the third song got played.
PJ doesn't need the same setlists every night.
Frankly, I'm surprised it took Metallica 40 years to figure it out.
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lastexitlondon said:It is what it is now.
As long as it's quality it doesn't matter
Ultimately that's my sentiment too...
On a funny note, speaking of quality - I wanted to start a live pearl jam supermix on my spotify, creating a dream setlist with all the best versions of the songs from the bootlegs that are available there. I started with Hard to Imagine, and from the 7 or 8 live versions on there, they mess it up every single time lol The dangers of playing a deep cut on the fly! Of course this is the exception, not the norm - just thought it was funny that the first track i chose was problematic. Want a crazy good Mike solo for Black? Dallas 2000(2000) Mansfield I, Mansfield II (2003) Montreal (2005) Montreal, Ottawa (2006) Albany (2008) Montreal I + II (EV) (2022) Québec City
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