Show Lengths??

Spiritual_Chaos

PJNB said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJNB said:

nautical_disaster said:

I was listening once again to the Ed Ved episode on the Smartless podcast the other day (great podcast btw), and in so many words Ed mentioned that if the setlist was set for shows, it would make the process of touring so much easier. So would you guys prefer the tours we've been getting with the variety of songs still in play, or would you prefer a 40 dates NA tour with basically a standard 18 song setlist with maybe 4-6 wildcard songs in play?

Of course it would be easier. They have created this great formula however over the span of the last 30 plus years and have developed a following because of it. 

If they did a Foo Fighters type set every night they would not sell nearly as many tickets as they do right now.

Well they have pushed it towards Foo Fighters rigidness. Especially last Euro tour with songs being cut but Ten taking up the same room. 

Shorter shows means the hits still get played and the "extra" songs will get less rotation. 

In what way is that not a push ” towards Foo Fighters rigidness”. That is what it is. 

I am not saying Pearl Jam is Foo Fighters. 

JimmyV

nautical_disaster said:

DissidentRival74 said:

nautical_disaster said:

I was listening once again to the Ed Ved episode on the Smartless podcast the other day (great podcast btw), and in so many words Ed mentioned that if the setlist was set for shows, it would make the process of touring so much easier. So would you guys prefer the tours we've been getting with the variety of songs still in play, or would you prefer a 40 dates NA tour with basically a standard 18 song setlist with maybe 4-6 wildcard songs in play?

Definitely the way it is now.  Our daughter and her friends went to the Taylor Swift concert and all she kept saying was "I wonder what the surprise song is going to be?"  Couldn't imagine going to a Pearl Jam show and knowing what 99% of the songs I was going to hear were going to be.  That's the greatest thing about their tours - it's still exciting to log on and see the final set list on the fanview threads the day after shows, LOL....

Yeah there would definitely always need to be some wildcard songs...I just got the bug of seeing them live last year after a lengthy hiatus for me, so i'm just wishing for more shows haha. It's wild that we picked Pearl Jam as our favorite band, and they're still touring 32+ years later. We got lucky and picked a special band. 

So true, and so many bands are not. 

PJNB

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJNB said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJNB said:

nautical_disaster said:

I was listening once again to the Ed Ved episode on the Smartless podcast the other day (great podcast btw), and in so many words Ed mentioned that if the setlist was set for shows, it would make the process of touring so much easier. So would you guys prefer the tours we've been getting with the variety of songs still in play, or would you prefer a 40 dates NA tour with basically a standard 18 song setlist with maybe 4-6 wildcard songs in play?

Of course it would be easier. They have created this great formula however over the span of the last 30 plus years and have developed a following because of it. 

If they did a Foo Fighters type set every night they would not sell nearly as many tickets as they do right now.

Well they have pushed it towards Foo Fighters rigidness. Especially last Euro tour with songs being cut but Ten taking up the same room. 

Shorter shows means the hits still get played and the "extra" songs will get less rotation. 

In what way is that not a push ” towards Foo Fighters rigidness”. That is what it is. 

I am not saying Pearl Jam is Foo Fighters. 

We are talking copy and paste sets every night with copy and paste stories. PJ is not moving in that direction even with the changes last year. 

nautical_disaster

PJNB said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJNB said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJNB said:

nautical_disaster said:

I was listening once again to the Ed Ved episode on the Smartless podcast the other day (great podcast btw), and in so many words Ed mentioned that if the setlist was set for shows, it would make the process of touring so much easier. So would you guys prefer the tours we've been getting with the variety of songs still in play, or would you prefer a 40 dates NA tour with basically a standard 18 song setlist with maybe 4-6 wildcard songs in play?

Of course it would be easier. They have created this great formula however over the span of the last 30 plus years and have developed a following because of it. 

If they did a Foo Fighters type set every night they would not sell nearly as many tickets as they do right now.

Well they have pushed it towards Foo Fighters rigidness. Especially last Euro tour with songs being cut but Ten taking up the same room. 

Shorter shows means the hits still get played and the "extra" songs will get less rotation. 

In what way is that not a push ” towards Foo Fighters rigidness”. That is what it is. 

I am not saying Pearl Jam is Foo Fighters. 

We are talking copy and paste sets every night with copy and paste stories. PJ is not moving in that direction even with the changes last year. 

wait...the stories are the same?

Lost In Ohio

People are definitely traveling for their white whales, to finish off albums, etc.

There's no way people would travel if it was a Taylor Swift setup. People travel for her shows, but only because she's the current "Big Thing." IIRC, out of her two "secret songs" one is predictable, as it's off a specific album. 

It'd be like if PJ did 35 songs, but song 28 was guaranteed to be off Ten, song 29 was a wildcard and the other 33 were the same as every other night.

You could go to any site that has the tour setlist and follow along. I've done that with some bands that maybe I know the radio hits and I don't really like knowing what songs are coming...even though those bands are gonna play the songs I know.

My theory is the Swifties are swallowing it up because:
They're largely women who scream for anything and everything Taylor. (I'm not saying all women are like that...but yeah, it's a pop sensation thing. BTS is the same way. "OMG! SHE SAID THE WORD MIDNIGHT! IT MEANS SOMETHANNGGGGG!?!??") Her song that mentions whatever date was played on that date and they acted like it was a big shock.

Compare that to PJ fans who are much more mellow. "Oh, they covered Mother Love Bone in Ft. Worth? Of course they did."

They're kids who don't need different setlists every night and it might even cause jealousy/drama if a certain city got a specific song whereas someone's cousin in another city didn't.

She's also created one hell of a hype machine. Jimmy Fallon's replay the other night was of visit. Jimmy was tiptoeing around the fact she hadn't toured in a while. TS agreed and had a "hmmm, maybe I should tour" and her fans went ape. PJ fans would be like "oh, there's gonna be a tour soon? Well, we already know the dates and cities."

With that said, pop music almost *has* to be the same every night with the theatrical portion (pre-recorded videos, costume changes, backup dancers). Since Pearl Jam really just has the guys on stage without pyro, drones, videos every 4-5 songs, they can not only mix it up every night, but also call an audible 45 minutes after the third song got played.


PJ doesn't need the same setlists every night.

Frankly, I'm surprised it took Metallica 40 years to figure it out.

bootlegger10

JimmyV said:

I think we are more likely to see sets similar to 2022 than we are 2013-2018. 

I agree.  They don't get any extra money for playing 45min to 1hr longer.  They are getting older.  They ripped the bandaid off in 2021/2022 which they probably knew was a huge dissapointment for 10% of the fans at the show.    Wouldn't make sense to go back to longer shows unless they wanted to for themselves.  

Spiritual_Chaos

PJNB said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJNB said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJNB said:

nautical_disaster said:

I was listening once again to the Ed Ved episode on the Smartless podcast the other day (great podcast btw), and in so many words Ed mentioned that if the setlist was set for shows, it would make the process of touring so much easier. So would you guys prefer the tours we've been getting with the variety of songs still in play, or would you prefer a 40 dates NA tour with basically a standard 18 song setlist with maybe 4-6 wildcard songs in play?

Of course it would be easier. They have created this great formula however over the span of the last 30 plus years and have developed a following because of it. 

If they did a Foo Fighters type set every night they would not sell nearly as many tickets as they do right now.

Well they have pushed it towards Foo Fighters rigidness. Especially last Euro tour with songs being cut but Ten taking up the same room. 

Shorter shows means the hits still get played and the "extra" songs will get less rotation. 

In what way is that not a push ” towards Foo Fighters rigidness”. That is what it is. 

I am not saying Pearl Jam is Foo Fighters. 

We are talking copy and paste sets every night with copy and paste stories. PJ is not moving in that direction even with the changes last year. 

They have pushed towards a Foo Fighters rigidness  

Thank you. 

PJNB

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJNB said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJNB said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJNB said:

nautical_disaster said:

I was listening once again to the Ed Ved episode on the Smartless podcast the other day (great podcast btw), and in so many words Ed mentioned that if the setlist was set for shows, it would make the process of touring so much easier. So would you guys prefer the tours we've been getting with the variety of songs still in play, or would you prefer a 40 dates NA tour with basically a standard 18 song setlist with maybe 4-6 wildcard songs in play?

Of course it would be easier. They have created this great formula however over the span of the last 30 plus years and have developed a following because of it. 

If they did a Foo Fighters type set every night they would not sell nearly as many tickets as they do right now.

Well they have pushed it towards Foo Fighters rigidness. Especially last Euro tour with songs being cut but Ten taking up the same room. 

Shorter shows means the hits still get played and the "extra" songs will get less rotation. 

In what way is that not a push ” towards Foo Fighters rigidness”. That is what it is. 

I am not saying Pearl Jam is Foo Fighters. 

We are talking copy and paste sets every night with copy and paste stories. PJ is not moving in that direction even with the changes last year. 

They have pushed towards a Foo Fighters rigidness  

Thank you. 

Your welcome! 

Jadler

I’m pretty sure Stone was on Sirius XM after the tour last year for a “Year in Review” interview saying these show lengths/ number of songs are here to stay for the most part.  I’m paraphrasing, but basically “makes for a much better product, less burn-out and physical strain.” Didn’t sound like they will be going to a cookie cutter setlist anytime soon though which is great news. Wish I could find the clip! 

demetrios

Jadler said:

I’m pretty sure Stone was on Sirius XM after the tour last year for a “Year in Review” interview saying these show lengths/ number of songs are here to stay for the most part.  I’m paraphrasing, but basically “makes for a much better product, less burn-out and physical strain.” Didn’t sound like they will be going to a cookie cutter setlist anytime soon though which is great news. Wish I could find the clip! 

This one? 2022 Year In Review SiriusXM Pearl Jam Radio December 23rd 2022

https://we.tl/t-Pijn64m8iK

Jonathan Cohen talks about the set list length @ the 79th mark. Don't remember Stone saying anything about show lengths / number of songs.

Kwieneke

nautical_disaster said:

I was listening once again to the Ed Ved episode on the Smartless podcast the other day (great podcast btw), and in so many words Ed mentioned that if the setlist was set for shows, it would make the process of touring so much easier. So would you guys prefer the tours we've been getting with the variety of songs still in play, or would you prefer a 40 dates NA tour with basically a standard 18 song setlist with maybe 4-6 wildcard songs in play?

You can almost predict a set from RHCP at this point. There is an "official tour" playlist on the RHCP Spotify from the 22-23 tour to this point with every song they have performed. a total of 37 songs across 98 shows. 

Gern Blansten

Kwieneke said:

nautical_disaster said:

I was listening once again to the Ed Ved episode on the Smartless podcast the other day (great podcast btw), and in so many words Ed mentioned that if the setlist was set for shows, it would make the process of touring so much easier. So would you guys prefer the tours we've been getting with the variety of songs still in play, or would you prefer a 40 dates NA tour with basically a standard 18 song setlist with maybe 4-6 wildcard songs in play?

You can almost predict a set from RHCP at this point. There is an "official tour" playlist on the RHCP Spotify from the 22-23 tour to this point with every song they have performed. a total of 37 songs across 98 shows. 

I'm not sure that PJ is much different now though are they?

I get it though....lots of songs to remember and if you don't practice them all often enough shit just doesn't hold together

Kwieneke

Gern Blansten said:

Kwieneke said:

nautical_disaster said:

I was listening once again to the Ed Ved episode on the Smartless podcast the other day (great podcast btw), and in so many words Ed mentioned that if the setlist was set for shows, it would make the process of touring so much easier. So would you guys prefer the tours we've been getting with the variety of songs still in play, or would you prefer a 40 dates NA tour with basically a standard 18 song setlist with maybe 4-6 wildcard songs in play?

You can almost predict a set from RHCP at this point. There is an "official tour" playlist on the RHCP Spotify from the 22-23 tour to this point with every song they have performed. a total of 37 songs across 98 shows. 

I'm not sure that PJ is much different now though are they?

I get it though....lots of songs to remember and if you don't practice them all often enough shit just doesn't hold together

According to the PJStatsTracker App (which compiles setlists for PJ) they played 102 different PJ songs, and 48 unique covers across 33 shows in 2022. For covers, they do include tags, such as Cant get no Satisfaction which goes on Who ever Said

PJNB

Kwieneke said:

Gern Blansten said:

Kwieneke said:

nautical_disaster said:

I was listening once again to the Ed Ved episode on the Smartless podcast the other day (great podcast btw), and in so many words Ed mentioned that if the setlist was set for shows, it would make the process of touring so much easier. So would you guys prefer the tours we've been getting with the variety of songs still in play, or would you prefer a 40 dates NA tour with basically a standard 18 song setlist with maybe 4-6 wildcard songs in play?

You can almost predict a set from RHCP at this point. There is an "official tour" playlist on the RHCP Spotify from the 22-23 tour to this point with every song they have performed. a total of 37 songs across 98 shows. 

I'm not sure that PJ is much different now though are they?

I get it though....lots of songs to remember and if you don't practice them all often enough shit just doesn't hold together

According to the PJStatsTracker App (which compiles setlists for PJ) they played 102 different PJ songs, and 48 unique covers across 33 shows in 2022. For covers, they do include tags, such as Cant get no Satisfaction which goes on Who ever Said

That actually surprises me they played that many Pearl Jam songs last year. 

I wonder what the count will be this year with only 9 shows. Hopefully with the 2 shows in most cities they mix it up a lot. 

Jadler

demetrios said:

Jadler said:

I’m pretty sure Stone was on Sirius XM after the tour last year for a “Year in Review” interview saying these show lengths/ number of songs are here to stay for the most part.  I’m paraphrasing, but basically “makes for a much better product, less burn-out and physical strain.” Didn’t sound like they will be going to a cookie cutter setlist anytime soon though which is great news. Wish I could find the clip! 

This one? 2022 Year In Review SiriusXM Pearl Jam Radio December 23rd 2022

https://we.tl/t-Pijn64m8iK

Jonathan Cohen talks about the set list length @ the 79th mark. Don't remember Stone saying anything about show lengths / number of songs.

Thank you! That is what I was thinking of, but you’re right no mention from Stone in this. Maybe I dreamt that LOL. Or maybe it was in another interview he did after the tour? Oh well. Great find here, I’ll keep searching. Thx!

demetrios

Jadler said:

demetrios said:

Jadler said:

I’m pretty sure Stone was on Sirius XM after the tour last year for a “Year in Review” interview saying these show lengths/ number of songs are here to stay for the most part.  I’m paraphrasing, but basically “makes for a much better product, less burn-out and physical strain.” Didn’t sound like they will be going to a cookie cutter setlist anytime soon though which is great news. Wish I could find the clip! 

This one? 2022 Year In Review SiriusXM Pearl Jam Radio December 23rd 2022

https://we.tl/t-Pijn64m8iK

Jonathan Cohen talks about the set list length @ the 79th mark. Don't remember Stone saying anything about show lengths / number of songs.

Thank you! That is what I was thinking of, but you’re right no mention from Stone in this. Maybe I dreamt that LOL. Or maybe it was in another interview he did after the tour? Oh well. Great find here, I’ll keep searching. Thx!

No problemo. 

THEBIBLEISTEN

It’s not the length, it’s the gurth

incognitony

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

It’s not the length, it’s the gurth

They have ED though.

THEBIBLEISTEN

incognitony said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

It’s not the length, it’s the gurth

They have ED though.

That’s a great reply. Nice!! Haha 

given2fly23

This tour is perfect for NO REPEATS. 

Metallica is playing 2 nights in every city, no repeats, through next year.