Honestly it was better when you could only get one night or the other when there’s multiple dates for one city. I believe that widens everyone’s chances of getting tickets. Then we all have to do some work to get the other night.
I agree 100% and I also will add that postcards and money orders never created this much pandemonium
Explain this one to me: my account requested 1:Chicago 1, 2:Chicago 2 and 3: Indy. All unfulfilled. My wife had 1: Indy, 2: Chicago 1 and she got Chicago 2 and noting for Indy.
How does she get Chicago with her second pick and I get nothing with the same show as my number 1?
Another piece of evidence that this lottery was completely boned.
Your name was never chosen, your wife’s was.
They do not choose names though first though. They choose cities-> type of ticket->priority->then they choose names.
Nobody has any clue what they did, that's the problem.
And nobody really has a clue what they've done in the past either. The comical part is people pass of what they "think" or "want" as how it is. Its not like the NBA draft lottery where its witnessed by Deloitte or Ernst and Young. They can do whatever they want in the black box. And its always been a black box.
We knew exactly how they were done in the past. We had it down to a science. It is a very simple lotto and when things look wrong it is very obvious. Before when they did will call there was almost no priority issues. Whenever one popped up the person would not provide a screenshot or when they did what they said was incorrect. Whatever 10C used then to select the winners worked great.
Now you are right we have no clue what they are doing or what went wrong on their end. It is all too random to be able to see a pattern enough aside from it worked from the most part but a lot of people got missed.
For all we know they drew names out of a hat. Did they use a program? Draw straws? They could rip up entries of people they don't like or deem toxic. They can just give out tixs to the people they love.
Did they draw by priority first or draw names? I don't know. Based on how many opinions are out there its clear nobody knows. The only ones who know are in the room, and thats nobody here.
Explain this one to me: my account requested 1:Chicago 1, 2:Chicago 2 and 3: Indy. All unfulfilled. My wife had 1: Indy, 2: Chicago 1 and she got Chicago 2 and noting for Indy.
How does she get Chicago with her second pick and I get nothing with the same show as my number 1?
Another piece of evidence that this lottery was completely boned.
Your name was never chosen, your wife’s was.
They do not choose names though first though. They choose cities-> type of ticket->priority->then they choose names.
Nobody has any clue what they did, that's the problem.
And nobody really has a clue what they've done in the past either. The comical part is people pass of what they "think" or "want" as how it is. Its not like the NBA draft lottery where its witnessed by Deloitte or Ernst and Young. They can do whatever they want in the black box. And its always been a black box.
We knew exactly how they were done in the past. We had it down to a science. It is a very simple lotto and when things look wrong it is very obvious. Before when they did will call there was almost no priority issues. Whenever one popped up the person would not provide a screenshot or when they did what they said was incorrect. Whatever 10C used then to select the winners worked great.
Now you are right we have no clue what they are doing or what went wrong on their end. It is all too random to be able to see a pattern enough aside from it worked from the most part but a lot of people got missed.
For all we know they drew names out of a hat. Did they use a program? Draw straws? They could rip up entries of people they don't like or deem toxic. They can just give out tixs to the people they love.
Did they draw by priority first or draw names? I don't know. Based on how many opinions are out there its clear nobody knows. The only ones who know are in the room, and thats nobody here.
Thats why we are all discussing it but to say we did not know in the past how it was run is not correct. This one I agree was fucked lol.
Explain this one to me: my account requested 1:Chicago 1, 2:Chicago 2 and 3: Indy. All unfulfilled. My wife had 1: Indy, 2: Chicago 1 and she got Chicago 2 and noting for Indy.
How does she get Chicago with her second pick and I get nothing with the same show as my number 1?
Another piece of evidence that this lottery was completely boned.
Your name was never chosen, your wife’s was.
They do not choose names though first though. They choose cities-> type of ticket->priority->then they choose names.
Nobody has any clue what they did, that's the problem.
And nobody really has a clue what they've done in the past either. The comical part is people pass of what they "think" or "want" as how it is. Its not like the NBA draft lottery where its witnessed by Deloitte or Ernst and Young. They can do whatever they want in the black box. And its always been a black box.
We knew exactly how they were done in the past. We had it down to a science. It is a very simple lotto and when things look wrong it is very obvious. Before when they did will call there was almost no priority issues. Whenever one popped up the person would not provide a screenshot or when they did what they said was incorrect. Whatever 10C used then to select the winners worked great.
Now you are right we have no clue what they are doing or what went wrong on their end. It is all too random to be able to see a pattern enough aside from it worked from the most part but a lot of people got missed.
Explain this one to me: my account requested 1:Chicago 1, 2:Chicago 2 and 3: Indy. All unfulfilled. My wife had 1: Indy, 2: Chicago 1 and she got Chicago 2 and noting for Indy.
How does she get Chicago with her second pick and I get nothing with the same show as my number 1?
Another piece of evidence that this lottery was completely boned.
Your name was never chosen, your wife’s was.
They do not choose names though first though. They choose cities-> type of ticket->priority->then they choose names.
Nobody has any clue what they did, that's the problem.
And nobody really has a clue what they've done in the past either. The comical part is people pass of what they "think" or "want" as how it is. Its not like the NBA draft lottery where its witnessed by Deloitte or Ernst and Young. They can do whatever they want in the black box. And its always been a black box.
We have a pretty good idea based on reporting spreadsheets from previous shows how it worked. Priority, seniority, etc.....it all lined up with no problems...........can you say the same this time?
I have tried to remain patient during this whole process, but now Tickets Today has confirmed (at least for Austin) that seats were totally random and the seats available for 10C were evenly split with the Verified Fan on sale, and this is not even counting the 10% that were held back for premium that was communicated to us.
Almost everyone that had seats reassigned became significantly worse and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out they screwed up and assigned seats to 10C folks that were meant either for premium and/or held back for other on sale opportunities. My patience has officially run out, this whole things has soured me to a point that is really sad.
It was communicated that more seats were available and spread throughout the venues, but at least in the case of Chicago it appears that the entire 10C has been moved to the 300 level. The lack of transparency and communication about this debacle is the most frustrating part of the whole thing.
And i do agree with some others, I personally can't wait until I have all these tickets officially delivered to me so I can dump them ASAP.
They need to pull a Taylor Swift, cancel or reschedule the Verified Sale and clear all of this up and have 10C allocate tix based upon seniority. Will it happen, no. Should it happen, yes. September is a long ways away, there is time to fix this.
Something should be done. What a colossal fuck up with this whole thing.
Where is this Austin information from?
separate thread, copied here for reference....
"Here is email I received from them. There is obviously some sort of miscommunication here. I get people will just say be happy to be in the building but if I am traveling and spending thousands of dollars, I would like to know if my seniority of 20 years will be used in allocating my seats. Maybe some would travel anywhere just to get in the building but am I going to travel to sit all way across stage in Row R? I think we need some sort of clarification here.
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We apologize that you are dissatisfied with the results of your request. We are provided seats throughout the entire venue which are randomly assigned to the randomly chosen requests.
In order to be fair to people who aren't aware of the opportunity to order tickets, the seating is divided exactly equally by quality (as well as quantity). Therefore, the tickets allotment includes all levels of quality, from front row to lawn or behind stage seats, the exact same range of seating as will be available when the shows go on sale via outlets.
As per the user agreement which is posted on each of our ticketing sites and every lottery request page which you must agree to before entering your credit card: All ticket sales are final and non-refundable unless the show has been cancelled or postponed; no exchanges will be allowed."
If this is true IMO it’s a bombshell. If Verified opens tomorrow and the seat selection is the same range as 10C received that is absolutely new and probably is a huge blow to the 10C. Can’t imagine what the mood will be on here if Verified has substantial selection of 100s and 200s while some 20 year members are in the 300s.
If this happens along with all the other subscriber changes this year I have to wonder if this is a soft way of thinning out 10C and it’s operations as the band gets older. Probably getting ahead of myself on that.
Hopefully this is just a generic customer service response written badly.
I'm guessing (hoping) generic especially since they mention "lawn" and "behind stage" and in the case of Austin, which this email is purportedly responding to, those don't apply. Still would definitely be a major failure if TC seats were a) randomly placed around the venue and b) randomly assigned w/o taking into account TC seniority # and preference. Also we're told they have secured majority of tickets for TC in some of the best seats in the house, not a random assortment of the tickets.
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Explain this one to me: my account requested 1:Chicago 1, 2:Chicago 2 and 3: Indy. All unfulfilled. My wife had 1: Indy, 2: Chicago 1 and she got Chicago 2 and noting for Indy.
How does she get Chicago with her second pick and I get nothing with the same show as my number 1?
Another piece of evidence that this lottery was completely boned.
Totally boned. I got Chicago 1 with my third pick. Those tickets should have gone to someone else.
No, your name was pulled, his wife’s name was pulled, his wasn’t. The lottery is totally random.
You’re missing the priority part of the selection of the names. It’s alright. Keep defending this garbage process
Explain this one to me: my account requested 1:Chicago 1, 2:Chicago 2 and 3: Indy. All unfulfilled. My wife had 1: Indy, 2: Chicago 1 and she got Chicago 2 and noting for Indy.
How does she get Chicago with her second pick and I get nothing with the same show as my number 1?
Another piece of evidence that this lottery was completely boned.
Your name was never chosen, your wife’s was.
They do not choose names though first though. They choose cities-> type of ticket->priority->then they choose names.
Nobody has any clue what they did, that's the problem.
And nobody really has a clue what they've done in the past either. The comical part is people pass of what they "think" or "want" as how it is. Its not like the NBA draft lottery where its witnessed by Deloitte or Ernst and Young. They can do whatever they want in the black box. And its always been a black box.
We knew exactly how they were done in the past. We had it down to a science. It is a very simple lotto and when things look wrong it is very obvious. Before when they did will call there was almost no priority issues. Whenever one popped up the person would not provide a screenshot or when they did what they said was incorrect. Whatever 10C used then to select the winners worked great.
Now you are right we have no clue what they are doing or what went wrong on their end. It is all too random to be able to see a pattern enough aside from it worked from the most part but a lot of people got missed.
Explain this one to me: my account requested 1:Chicago 1, 2:Chicago 2 and 3: Indy. All unfulfilled. My wife had 1: Indy, 2: Chicago 1 and she got Chicago 2 and noting for Indy.
How does she get Chicago with her second pick and I get nothing with the same show as my number 1?
Another piece of evidence that this lottery was completely boned.
Your name was never chosen, your wife’s was.
They do not choose names though first though. They choose cities-> type of ticket->priority->then they choose names.
Nobody has any clue what they did, that's the problem.
And nobody really has a clue what they've done in the past either. The comical part is people pass of what they "think" or "want" as how it is. Its not like the NBA draft lottery where its witnessed by Deloitte or Ernst and Young. They can do whatever they want in the black box. And its always been a black box.
We have a pretty good idea based on reporting spreadsheets from previous shows how it worked. Priority, seniority, etc.....it all lined up with no problems...........can you say the same this time?
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We have all had this down. This is unrecognizable. People who have similar numbers as me I have seen at different shows throughout the years which was cool. Don’t act like it was a mystery before. It was pretty predictable.
Wonder if people would get this upset if they were trying to see Jesus? Oh that’s right, Jesus never charged anyone.
Well, tbh, he’d probably be a no-show.
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After days of reading hundreds of comments. The only sure thing I can sum this up with is that the lottery ended up being only a chance to get GA pit tickets. That's all. If you got seats, that was basically a good sportsman consolation award. I got STP N1 GA tickets. N2 I got ok seats, but I'm still going to the VF sale tomorrow to see if I can get better seats or at least see what we were up against. I have a feeling I will know some of my casual fan friends will end up getting better reserved seats than mine and will wonder how I got so far back with my fan club seats. That will be frustrating for sure.
I was looking on the Ticketmaster F2F FAQ section trying to find out if you have to wait until after the show takes place to get paid for tickets sold through F2F and it said:
“We’ll deposit your payout typically within 5-7 business days after your tickets are sold. If your tickets sell by barcode, we'll deposit your payout typically within 5-7 business days after the event takes place.”
does anyone know what they mean by “if your tickets sell by barcode” and if the PJ tickets would be in that category?
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Don't know if it's been mentioned, but with the other similarities this year to the Warehouse/DMB process, I'm wondering if this PJ Priority process has changed to something similar to the DMB Priority Show process. You select a single show with DMB for Priority, not rank all shows by priority, but the assumption is, you get an extra "ping pong ball" in the "random lottery" confirmation process for every year of seniority. So with DMB Priority you still have a chance of not getting confirmed for your Priority show, as you may have 25 chances in the random lottery, but against a ton of other folks when request demand exceeds ticket supply. Yeah, I don't know who PJ would have done something similar since we still prioritize all shows, but maybe you get a seniority # of balls for your Priority 1 show, X-1 for Priority 2, etc. Or, you get your full seniority # of balls for all shows.
Would explain the Priority 1 guy not getting picked but Priority 6 getting picked for shows where demand exceeds supply.
Explain this one to me: my account requested 1:Chicago 1, 2:Chicago 2 and 3: Indy. All unfulfilled. My wife had 1: Indy, 2: Chicago 1 and she got Chicago 2 and noting for Indy.
How does she get Chicago with her second pick and I get nothing with the same show as my number 1?
Another piece of evidence that this lottery was completely boned.
Totally boned. I got Chicago 1 with my third pick. Those tickets should have gone to someone else.
No, your name was pulled, his wife’s name was pulled, his wasn’t. The lottery is totally random.
You’re missing the priority part of the selection of the names. It’s alright. Keep defending this garbage process
Some people love to distort things which is t appreciated around here. Never gave the order of the process just trying to simplify it (a-hem) for those just not getting it. Your name has to be pulled sometime during the process- and I never defended the process. Don’t change my posts to suit your narrative and stop being so thick about this fcs.
Maybe now it’s easier to understand why they don’t tour as much or don’t like touring. I wouldn’t want to deal with all the anger and bad energy that comes with this entire process.
Its because they don't tour much that contributes to it though. If I knew I could catch them next year in a city closer, I may not have even put in for the lottery. But I'm averaging 1 show every 3-4 years now, when I used to get 3-4 shows every 2 years. But I doubt this ticketing is a big factor. I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't even aware of all the complaints, the double charges and the seniority issues, etc. At the end of the day, they'll play to a sold out show several months removed from all the chaos. It'll be a great time for everyone there.
Maybe now it’s easier to understand why they don’t tour as much or don’t like touring. I wouldn’t want to deal with all the anger and bad energy that comes with this entire process.
Its because they don't tour much that contributes to it though. If I knew I could catch them next year in a city closer, I may not have even put in for the lottery. But I'm averaging 1 show every 3-4 years now, when I used to get 3-4 shows every 2 years. But I doubt this ticketing is a big factor. I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't even aware of all the complaints, the double charges and the seniority issues, etc. At the end of the day, they'll play to a sold out show several months removed from all the chaos. It'll be a great time for everyone there.
I was looking on the Ticketmaster F2F FAQ section trying to find out if you have to wait until after the show takes place to get paid for tickets sold through F2F and it said:
“We’ll deposit your payout typically within 5-7 business days after your tickets are sold. If your tickets sell by barcode, we'll deposit your payout typically within 5-7 business days after the event takes place.”
does anyone know what they mean by “if your tickets sell by barcode” and if the PJ tickets would be in that category?
They had been doing the "after the show takes place" payout thing for all shows since pandemic first hit in 2020. But starting this past November, I've started getting paid right after my tickets sell again. So hopefully, that should be the case for F2F. And no, your F2F PJ sales would not be considered barcode sales.
Maybe now it’s easier to understand why they don’t tour as much or don’t like touring. I wouldn’t want to deal with all the anger and bad energy that comes with this entire process.
Its because they don't tour much that contributes to it though. If I knew I could catch them next year in a city closer, I may not have even put in for the lottery. But I'm averaging 1 show every 3-4 years now, when I used to get 3-4 shows every 2 years. But I doubt this ticketing is a big factor. I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't even aware of all the complaints, the double charges and the seniority issues, etc. At the end of the day, they'll play to a sold out show several months removed from all the chaos. It'll be a great time for everyone there.
10club knows. I emailed them yesterday and they got back to me and said they are investigating.
Priority Ticketing - Ten Club holds the best tickets in the house for members-only presale opportunities and rewards longtime fans for their dedication with seniority-based seating. Ten Club strives to continually improve upon its ticketing program to ensure that fan club members have access to the most tickets possible per show.
I don't think they delivered on this..........just my opinion.
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Don't know if it's been mentioned, but with the other similarities this year to the Warehouse/DMB process, I'm wondering if this PJ Priority process has changed to something similar to the DMB Priority Show process. You select a single show with DMB for Priority, not rank all shows by priority, but the assumption is, you get an extra "ping pong ball" in the "random lottery" confirmation process for every year of seniority. So with DMB Priority you still have a chance of not getting confirmed for your Priority show, as you may have 25 chances in the random lottery, but against a ton of other folks when request demand exceeds ticket supply. Yeah, I don't know who PJ would have done something similar since we still prioritize all shows, but maybe you get a seniority # of balls for your Priority 1 show, X-1 for Priority 2, etc. Or, you get your full seniority # of balls for all shows.
Would explain the Priority 1 guy not getting picked but Priority 6 getting picked for shows where demand exceeds supply.
NBA draft lottery style. One bucket. One draw. Makes sense to me. The pushback you are going to get is "thats not how its supposed to be done" or "thats not how its been done in the past". Are the odds the same as before? I'm sure some math wizard can figure it out (or did)
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Did they draw by priority first or draw names? I don't know. Based on how many opinions are out there its clear nobody knows. The only ones who know are in the room, and thats nobody here.
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“We’ll deposit your payout typically within 5-7 business days after your tickets are sold. If your tickets sell by barcode, we'll deposit your payout typically within 5-7 business days after the event takes place.”
does anyone know what they mean by “if your tickets sell by barcode” and if the PJ tickets would be in that category?
Would explain the Priority 1 guy not getting picked but Priority 6 getting picked for shows where demand exceeds supply.
But I doubt this ticketing is a big factor. I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't even aware of all the complaints, the double charges and the seniority issues, etc.
At the end of the day, they'll play to a sold out show several months removed from all the chaos. It'll be a great time for everyone there.
And no, your F2F PJ sales would not be considered barcode sales.
Ten Club Membership Benefits:
- Priority Ticketing - Ten Club holds the best tickets in the house for members-only presale opportunities and rewards longtime fans for their dedication with seniority-based seating. Ten Club strives to continually improve upon its ticketing program to ensure that fan club members have access to the most tickets possible per show.
I don't think they delivered on this..........just my opinion.10.08.00 Alpine Valley
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But yeah. 9 shows. I'm making this up of course
Priority 1 = 9 entries
Priority 2 = 8 entries
Priority 3 = 7 entries
Priorty 4 = 6 entries
Priority 5 = 5 entries
or
Priority 1 = 20 entries
2 = 15
3 = 10
4 = 5
5 = 2
6-9 =1
1 entry can absolutely beat out 20. Happens all the time