Official 2023 Ticket Lottery Results Thread

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  • PJNBPJNB Posts: 13,434
    JF116983 said:
    know1 said:
    know1 said:
    know1 said:
    Seats getting worse on average has been officially and explicitly explained. They’ve made the decision that they’d rather 10C = more people can get a price-capped seat which includes mostly “worse” seats, rather than very few people get a price-capped seat but it’s much more likely to be a good one. It’s understandable if people don’t love that choice but it’s not a mystery. 
    I'm pretty sure that's never been stated. 

    https://blog.ticketmaster.com/pearl-jam-tour-2023/
     
    “Pearl Jam continues to try to protect fans’ access to fairly priced tickets by providing the majority of tickets to its Ten Club members, making tickets non-transferable where permitted, and by selling approximately 10% of tickets through PJ Premium at the market rate to offset increased costs.”

    The % of seats allocated to 10C has been stated to be increasing, this may be the first time it’s been an actual majority (not sure on that). And they say explicitly that one reason is to allow more people to have access to price-capped tickets. 
    That statement does not address at all the question about reserved seats getting progressively worse over time for people who have maintained a long standing member number. 
    Of course it does, that’s just math. If 10 times as many club members are being picked, it’s exponentially more likely that people with even lower numbers than you are getting seats who wouldn’t have before. Additionally, they’re offsetting the “cost” of this to the band by selling more “Premium” seats, many or most of which will also be better ones. 
    Sorry - but you are incorrect on the first part. All members have always been able to put in for as many shows as they wanted. The only thing that impacts are the odds of getting chosen in the lottery. It does not explain seats getting worse.

    But yes - the "Premium" seats issue likely does have an effect. But they don't say where those are so again it's not been specifically stated.

    The smaller number of shows likely has an effect as well.

    At the same time, how many people with a better number than me have let them drop at least once in the last 20 years? So that should offset things. 
    You could put in as many shoes as you want but your first selection had best chance and then you couldn’t be picked for more shoes - that’s how it worked last time, this show they are allowing multiple shows
    Yup, that too. People being able to actually claim tickets for multiple shows also definitely has a big effect. 
    That is not how it worked last time at all lol. What is going on here with all of this misinformation.

    Also People being selected for multiple shows in no way shape or form has any effect on someone losing out on their first pick. If they won multiple shows that means they had multiple priorities which means those priorities are past the first pick which means, now wait for it, the first priorities should of been considered before all those priorities after it! 


    It is just math :wink:
  • There is an easy way to fix this without unseating people, but it would cost TM or PJ money. They just free up more tickets to 10C and assign those or give people that got screwed a choice between their current tickets and the new ones.
  • IlliniGuy76IlliniGuy76 Posts: 563

    I emailed ten club support asking how folks are getting tickets with Chicago as a 3-5 the choice (same selections) while many folks with it listed as 1-2 priority got shut out.  That absolutely needs to be explained, somewhere.
    You know how lotteries work, correct?
    Every previous lotteries used the priority system that selected 1st priority choices first for single show before going to 2nd priorities. 

    If they changed this for this tour, it should have been explained up front. If priority means squat going forward, that needs to be explained by the Tenclub.
    Guess what wouldn’t be there if the priority didn’t matter? The actual ability to choose priority.
    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can forgive yourself oh yeah...
    makes much more sense to live in the present tense...

    1995:  7/11 (Chicago) 2009: 8/23, 8/24 (Chicago) 2010:  5/9 (Cleveland) 2013 7/19 (Chicago) 2016: 4/9 (Miami), 5/1 (NYC), 8/20 & 8/22 (Chicago)
    2018: 8/18 (Chicago) & 8/20 (Chicago) 2022:  9/11 (NYC), 9/18 (STL) 2023:  9/5 (Chicago), 9/7 (Chicago) 2024:  8/29 (Chicago), 8/31 (Chicago)

  • Doug87Doug87 Posts: 442
    It will be interesting (and I am sure make this thread explode) when new seat locations are re-issued as well... wondering how much of a bump in quality older TC members get versus how much of a decline in quality newer TC members get.

    Do you think TC will address those who say, had Chicago #2 as Priority 1 and lost while someone had it #3 and won?  Or if they lost because they had just GA/Reserved but not Reserved and that was the reason for this happening?

    Time will tell.  A lot of people must have emailed the Ten Club about this to make this re-seating happen in the first place.
    I know plenty of people who had Chicago 1-2 and only selected seats & were chosen 
    That’s interesting if true as select All Options would be bad advice in those circumstances as their official email said.

    hence why we’re here with a big mop and broom getting ready to hopefully clean up this massive mess.
  • mikeliska said:
    jarfitz1 said:
    Well my request went "unfulfilled".  I'm pissed.  I need to emotionally detach myself from the notion that I'll be seeing my favorite band in the Fall.  And I would've been willing to pay a lot more than $300.
    There's still the "normal" sale on Friday and then the good old secondary market.  You're fine.
    Verified, a normal sale? Bwahahah.

    Secondary market F2F, for non-Chicago shows will be where it’s at.
  • tylermooretylermoore Posts: 925
    People think they halted things and sent out that email to not give more tickets away. 
    These are huge arenas. Plenty of seats to go around. There will be more confirmations today 
  • machinehummachinehum Posts: 166
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  • Doug87Doug87 Posts: 442
    People think they halted things and sent out that email to not give more tickets away. 
    These are huge arenas. Plenty of seats to go around. There will be more confirmations today 
    Thank you.

    I’m glad someone either used logic, read my posts, or both :)
  • mookieb14mookieb14 Posts: 148
    Thank you 10C for acknowledging and working to fix the seating issues for those 3 venues.  

    It is appreciated!
    What is being fixed?  Just reassignment of seat allocations to the “winners”?   Or are they fixing the problem of members not even getting a chance at seats cause they picked only ga/Res?
  • IlliniGuy76IlliniGuy76 Posts: 563
    Doug87 said:
    It will be interesting (and I am sure make this thread explode) when new seat locations are re-issued as well... wondering how much of a bump in quality older TC members get versus how much of a decline in quality newer TC members get.

    Do you think TC will address those who say, had Chicago #2 as Priority 1 and lost while someone had it #3 and won?  Or if they lost because they had just GA/Reserved but not Reserved and that was the reason for this happening?

    Time will tell.  A lot of people must have emailed the Ten Club about this to make this re-seating happen in the first place.
    I know plenty of people who had Chicago 1-2 and only selected seats & were chosen 
    That’s interesting if true as select All Options would be bad advice in those circumstances as their official email said.

    hence why we’re here with a big mop and broom getting ready to hopefully clean up this massive mess.
    I know five just personally who only elected reserved & got seats.
    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can forgive yourself oh yeah...
    makes much more sense to live in the present tense...

    1995:  7/11 (Chicago) 2009: 8/23, 8/24 (Chicago) 2010:  5/9 (Cleveland) 2013 7/19 (Chicago) 2016: 4/9 (Miami), 5/1 (NYC), 8/20 & 8/22 (Chicago)
    2018: 8/18 (Chicago) & 8/20 (Chicago) 2022:  9/11 (NYC), 9/18 (STL) 2023:  9/5 (Chicago), 9/7 (Chicago) 2024:  8/29 (Chicago), 8/31 (Chicago)

  • mookieb14mookieb14 Posts: 148
    Anyone thinking that tickets magically will be found & your order status will go from unfulfilled to fulfilled I think is going to be sadly disappointed..  and I’m in that boat 
    Same here
    I emailed ten club support asking how folks are getting tickets with Chicago as a 3-5 the choice (same selections) while many folks with it listed as 1-2 priority got shut out.  That absolutely needs to be explained, somewhere.
    Because they selected the button for reserved only 
  • Doug87Doug87 Posts: 442
    mookieb14 said:
    Thank you 10C for acknowledging and working to fix the seating issues for those 3 venues.  

    It is appreciated!
    What is being fixed?  Just reassignment of seat allocations to the “winners”?   Or are they fixing the problem of members not even getting a chance at seats cause they picked only ga/Res?
    I suspect for at least priority 1 shows, all of the above.

    beyond that, likelihood drops.
  • PJamminPJammin Posts: 606
    Process Complete + all selections unfulfilled yet I'm fairly certain that Chicago Side/Rear and Indy lawn seats have not been sent out yet. At least I have yet to see anyone indicating they've been allocated those tickets. If Chicago Side/Rear and Indy lawn were included as part of your ticket request I'm thinking maybe you've still got a shot at some positive news. Does anyone have a ticket request with a status other than "Process Complete"?
  • PJNBPJNB Posts: 13,434
    PJNB said:
    JF116983 said:
    know1 said:
    know1 said:
    know1 said:
    Seats getting worse on average has been officially and explicitly explained. They’ve made the decision that they’d rather 10C = more people can get a price-capped seat which includes mostly “worse” seats, rather than very few people get a price-capped seat but it’s much more likely to be a good one. It’s understandable if people don’t love that choice but it’s not a mystery. 
    I'm pretty sure that's never been stated. 

    https://blog.ticketmaster.com/pearl-jam-tour-2023/
     
    “Pearl Jam continues to try to protect fans’ access to fairly priced tickets by providing the majority of tickets to its Ten Club members, making tickets non-transferable where permitted, and by selling approximately 10% of tickets through PJ Premium at the market rate to offset increased costs.”

    The % of seats allocated to 10C has been stated to be increasing, this may be the first time it’s been an actual majority (not sure on that). And they say explicitly that one reason is to allow more people to have access to price-capped tickets. 
    That statement does not address at all the question about reserved seats getting progressively worse over time for people who have maintained a long standing member number. 
    Of course it does, that’s just math. If 10 times as many club members are being picked, it’s exponentially more likely that people with even lower numbers than you are getting seats who wouldn’t have before. Additionally, they’re offsetting the “cost” of this to the band by selling more “Premium” seats, many or most of which will also be better ones. 
    Sorry - but you are incorrect on the first part. All members have always been able to put in for as many shows as they wanted. The only thing that impacts are the odds of getting chosen in the lottery. It does not explain seats getting worse.

    But yes - the "Premium" seats issue likely does have an effect. But they don't say where those are so again it's not been specifically stated.

    The smaller number of shows likely has an effect as well.

    At the same time, how many people with a better number than me have let them drop at least once in the last 20 years? So that should offset things. 
    You could put in as many shoes as you want but your first selection had best chance and then you couldn’t be picked for more shoes - that’s how it worked last time, this show they are allowing multiple shows
    Yup, that too. People being able to actually claim tickets for multiple shows also definitely has a big effect. 
    That is not how it worked last time at all lol. What is going on here with all of this misinformation.

    Also People being selected for multiple shows in no way shape or form has any effect on someone losing out on their first pick. If they won multiple shows that means they had multiple priorities which means those priorities are past the first pick which means, now wait for it, the first priorities should of been considered before all those priorities after it! 


    It is just math :wink:
    JFC you again? This exchange was about “my seats have gotten worse over the years”, not the priority ranking stuff. You’re so busy looking for something to be a dickhead about that you can’t even read. 
    Ouch... 
  • tylermooretylermoore Posts: 925
    Doug87 said:
    People think they halted things and sent out that email to not give more tickets away. 
    These are huge arenas. Plenty of seats to go around. There will be more confirmations today 
    Thank you.

    I’m glad someone either used logic, read my posts, or both :)
    They did not give away 17k seats away for each show yesterday. Be patient. Trust 10c. I will until I get that losing email 
  • RG292419RG292419 Posts: 79
    Per the instructions:
    "You will also be notified via email if your request is not confirmed."

    I never got a rejection for Chicago N1.  Holding out hope.
    95 - Soldier Field, 11 - Alpine Valley PJ 20 N2, 13 - Wrigley Field, 16 - Wrigley 1 & 2, 18 - Wrigley 1 & 2
  • mookieb14 said:
    Anyone thinking that tickets magically will be found & your order status will go from unfulfilled to fulfilled I think is going to be sadly disappointed..  and I’m in that boat 
    Same here
    I emailed ten club support asking how folks are getting tickets with Chicago as a 3-5 the choice (same selections) while many folks with it listed as 1-2 priority got shut out.  That absolutely needs to be explained, somewhere.
    Because they selected the button for reserved only 
    No
  • jdopjjdopj Posts: 657
    PJNB said:
    JF116983 said:
    know1 said:
    know1 said:
    know1 said:
    Seats getting worse on average has been officially and explicitly explained. They’ve made the decision that they’d rather 10C = more people can get a price-capped seat which includes mostly “worse” seats, rather than very few people get a price-capped seat but it’s much more likely to be a good one. It’s understandable if people don’t love that choice but it’s not a mystery. 
    I'm pretty sure that's never been stated. 

    https://blog.ticketmaster.com/pearl-jam-tour-2023/
     
    “Pearl Jam continues to try to protect fans’ access to fairly priced tickets by providing the majority of tickets to its Ten Club members, making tickets non-transferable where permitted, and by selling approximately 10% of tickets through PJ Premium at the market rate to offset increased costs.”

    The % of seats allocated to 10C has been stated to be increasing, this may be the first time it’s been an actual majority (not sure on that). And they say explicitly that one reason is to allow more people to have access to price-capped tickets. 
    That statement does not address at all the question about reserved seats getting progressively worse over time for people who have maintained a long standing member number. 
    Of course it does, that’s just math. If 10 times as many club members are being picked, it’s exponentially more likely that people with even lower numbers than you are getting seats who wouldn’t have before. Additionally, they’re offsetting the “cost” of this to the band by selling more “Premium” seats, many or most of which will also be better ones. 
    Sorry - but you are incorrect on the first part. All members have always been able to put in for as many shows as they wanted. The only thing that impacts are the odds of getting chosen in the lottery. It does not explain seats getting worse.

    But yes - the "Premium" seats issue likely does have an effect. But they don't say where those are so again it's not been specifically stated.

    The smaller number of shows likely has an effect as well.

    At the same time, how many people with a better number than me have let them drop at least once in the last 20 years? So that should offset things. 
    You could put in as many shoes as you want but your first selection had best chance and then you couldn’t be picked for more shoes - that’s how it worked last time, this show they are allowing multiple shows
    Yup, that too. People being able to actually claim tickets for multiple shows also definitely has a big effect. 
    That is not how it worked last time at all lol. What is going on here with all of this misinformation.

    Also People being selected for multiple shows in no way shape or form has any effect on someone losing out on their first pick. If they won multiple shows that means they had multiple priorities which means those priorities are past the first pick which means, now wait for it, the first priorities should of been considered before all those priorities after it! 


    It is just math :wink:
    The seat assignments are only part of the problem. Everything is screwed up.
  • IlliniGuy76IlliniGuy76 Posts: 563
    mookieb14 said:
    Anyone thinking that tickets magically will be found & your order status will go from unfulfilled to fulfilled I think is going to be sadly disappointed..  and I’m in that boat 
    Same here
    I emailed ten club support asking how folks are getting tickets with Chicago as a 3-5 the choice (same selections) while many folks with it listed as 1-2 priority got shut out.  That absolutely needs to be explained, somewhere.
    Because they selected the button for reserved only 
    Incorrect - folks selected both and were shut out 
    even if that wasn’t the case anyone who had reserved as. 1/2 should still get priority over someone who had ga/reserved as their 4-5th choice 
    agaij I know plenty of ppl who got in just with reserved  selected 
    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can forgive yourself oh yeah...
    makes much more sense to live in the present tense...

    1995:  7/11 (Chicago) 2009: 8/23, 8/24 (Chicago) 2010:  5/9 (Cleveland) 2013 7/19 (Chicago) 2016: 4/9 (Miami), 5/1 (NYC), 8/20 & 8/22 (Chicago)
    2018: 8/18 (Chicago) & 8/20 (Chicago) 2022:  9/11 (NYC), 9/18 (STL) 2023:  9/5 (Chicago), 9/7 (Chicago) 2024:  8/29 (Chicago), 8/31 (Chicago)

  • darwinstheorydarwinstheory Posts: 6,400
    PJNB said:
    JF116983 said:
    know1 said:
    know1 said:
    know1 said:
    Seats getting worse on average has been officially and explicitly explained. They’ve made the decision that they’d rather 10C = more people can get a price-capped seat which includes mostly “worse” seats, rather than very few people get a price-capped seat but it’s much more likely to be a good one. It’s understandable if people don’t love that choice but it’s not a mystery. 
    I'm pretty sure that's never been stated. 

    https://blog.ticketmaster.com/pearl-jam-tour-2023/
     
    “Pearl Jam continues to try to protect fans’ access to fairly priced tickets by providing the majority of tickets to its Ten Club members, making tickets non-transferable where permitted, and by selling approximately 10% of tickets through PJ Premium at the market rate to offset increased costs.”

    The % of seats allocated to 10C has been stated to be increasing, this may be the first time it’s been an actual majority (not sure on that). And they say explicitly that one reason is to allow more people to have access to price-capped tickets. 
    That statement does not address at all the question about reserved seats getting progressively worse over time for people who have maintained a long standing member number. 
    Of course it does, that’s just math. If 10 times as many club members are being picked, it’s exponentially more likely that people with even lower numbers than you are getting seats who wouldn’t have before. Additionally, they’re offsetting the “cost” of this to the band by selling more “Premium” seats, many or most of which will also be better ones. 
    Sorry - but you are incorrect on the first part. All members have always been able to put in for as many shows as they wanted. The only thing that impacts are the odds of getting chosen in the lottery. It does not explain seats getting worse.

    But yes - the "Premium" seats issue likely does have an effect. But they don't say where those are so again it's not been specifically stated.

    The smaller number of shows likely has an effect as well.

    At the same time, how many people with a better number than me have let them drop at least once in the last 20 years? So that should offset things. 
    You could put in as many shoes as you want but your first selection had best chance and then you couldn’t be picked for more shoes - that’s how it worked last time, this show they are allowing multiple shows
    Yup, that too. People being able to actually claim tickets for multiple shows also definitely has a big effect. 
    That is not how it worked last time at all lol. What is going on here with all of this misinformation.

    Also People being selected for multiple shows in no way shape or form has any effect on someone losing out on their first pick. If they won multiple shows that means they had multiple priorities which means those priorities are past the first pick which means, now wait for it, the first priorities should of been considered before all those priorities after it! 


    It is just math :wink:
    JFC you again? This exchange was about “my seats have gotten worse over the years”, not the priority ranking stuff. You’re so busy looking for something to be a dickhead about that you can’t even read. 
    Unnecessary. 
    "A smart monkey doesn't monkey around with another monkey's monkey" - Darwin's Theory
  • mookieb14mookieb14 Posts: 148
    mookieb14 said:
    Anyone thinking that tickets magically will be found & your order status will go from unfulfilled to fulfilled I think is going to be sadly disappointed..  and I’m in that boat 
    Same here
    I emailed ten club support asking how folks are getting tickets with Chicago as a 3-5 the choice (same selections) while many folks with it listed as 1-2 priority got shut out.  That absolutely needs to be explained, somewhere.
    Because they selected the button for reserved only 
    No
    No?  I bet they selected more than just ga/res
  • machinehummachinehum Posts: 166
    edited April 2023
     
    Post edited by machinehum on
  • DiscopijDiscopij Posts: 479
    Admittedly I didn't read every post for the last 18 hours so I'm not sure how much this has been discussed ... but I was surprised that I won 2nd choice (Reserved) for all 3 of the shows I put in for.  Makes me wonder if they picked individual names and once you were selected you got all remaining available shows you wanted ... which would lead to plenty of #2s getting in over #1s.  For example Chicago N2 was my #2 priority and i got Reserved even though many people here are suggesting they didn't get N2 #1 Reserved.
  • chicago n2 priority 1, chicago n1 priority 2, selected any kind of seats anywhere in the building, haven't heard anything either way for either show
  • Reads11Reads11 Posts: 101
    There were 0 wins for lawn. Majority would be at least 9001 tickets. There are still tickets to go out today. Can't speak to other shows but this is a fact. 


  • mookieb14 said:
    mookieb14 said:
    Anyone thinking that tickets magically will be found & your order status will go from unfulfilled to fulfilled I think is going to be sadly disappointed..  and I’m in that boat 
    Same here
    I emailed ten club support asking how folks are getting tickets with Chicago as a 3-5 the choice (same selections) while many folks with it listed as 1-2 priority got shut out.  That absolutely needs to be explained, somewhere.
    Because they selected the button for reserved only 
    No
    No?  I bet they selected more than just ga/res
    Which is it? 
  • danofundanofun Posts: 1,020
    PJNB said:
    Premium is pushing people back further than before. More seats allocated is as well since more people are winning RES which is raising the chances that more people with better numbers than you are winning too. 
    I didn't want to totally derail this thread so I started a new one. TLDR, PJ Premium is screwing us all to save us ~$34/seat.
    https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/297801/pj-premium
  • Discopij said:
    Admittedly I didn't read every post for the last 18 hours so I'm not sure how much this has been discussed ... but I was surprised that I won 2nd choice (Reserved) for all 3 of the shows I put in for.  Makes me wonder if they picked individual names and once you were selected you got all remaining available shows you wanted ... which would lead to plenty of #2s getting in over #1s.  For example Chicago N2 was my #2 priority and i got Reserved even though many people here are suggesting they didn't get N2 #1 Reserved.
    This appears to be what happened to some extent. Totally different from previous tours.
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  • iwasatpj20iwasatpj20 Posts: 3,412
    brewmeone said:
    The level of delusion with some people…
    100%
    Absolutely
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