Official 2023 Ticket Lottery Results Thread

Doug87

Go Animal said:

Somebody else said it before me, but the only way to truly fix this, is to pull from the PJ Premium inventory. 

I'll even go one step further: every single ten club member who submitted a lottery request should get the amount of tickets (single, or pair) they requested for their shows. No denials.

Sure, go ahead and do seating based on seniority. But there is no good reason for there to be good seats selling for $1,000+, with 10c members being shut out.

The band has made enough money where they can charge 150-160 a ticket, still be rich & philanthropic, and pay their full time employees. 

This would be a fair compromise. 

Without cutting into their Premium stash:

GoAnimal, wouldn’t they be able to accommodate all the priority 1’s if they halted the on sales yesterday which it seems they did and are reassigning tickets?

if tickets do go all the way to the upper levels consistent with Texas, there should be a lot left to go outside of Noblesville (plenty of lawn but pavilion has very very limited supply in general.)

Jadler

lowbudgetlush said:

Jadler said:

Gern Blansten said:

Just wait until some of us end up with worse seats. The thing to do would be for TM to improve those who got shafted and let the rest at least maintain. I don't know which category I will fit in but TM fucked it up and should at least keep us whole.

Crazy thing is that I didn't get an email stating that my Noblesville pit tix were being changed. I hope that holds.

I have not either. I am hopeful that will remain the case as there aren’t any “seats” in the pit to reassign. 

You won the pit lottery you are fine. I won the reserved lottery. The only thing that will change is the seats. For example they can’t boot me to the lawn due to seniority as lawn was a separate draw.

That’s what I figured as well. Thanks! What a debacle. 

Kevinman

JI10794 said:

know1 said:

CM189191 said:

Pottsy199 said:

PJINFLA said:

After this debacle Ticketmaster should be pressured to give up their "premium" seats and put them back in the mix for the reissued seat assignments.

The band won't want that because that's where they are making their nut on seats with the prices being capped for all other seats. I feel like one of the emails suggested that to a certain extent.

Something like...We are doing the premium seating to offset the cost of the price capped seats everywhere else.

Yes, but Premium seats shouldn't be better than 10C seats. Really gives me no reason to stay in the fan club. The primary reason I'm in 10C is to get good seats. But we still keep getting pushed around by TicketMaster. Give me a seat that actually faces the stage, not center ice. 

I've had my membership uninterrupted for 20 years now. Over that time, I've gone to about 20 shows. My seats have honestly never gotten better in that span. In fact, they seem to have gotten slightly worse over time. You can't tell me that some significant portion of the fanbase with better numbers than me hasn't let theirs drop in that time.

I get that they do smaller tours now and that means more might be choosing to go to a show and therefore having an effect on seating, but this was happening even when they had bigger tours. 

Not a complaint, but more of an observation. 

my seats have definitely gotten worse. I’ve been in the 10c for 27 and would always get first fifteen rows for Yield through Backspacer tours. And now I can’t even get tickets to a show through the fan club.

I'm in the same boat........member since 98 no lapses.  I think the main reason my seats are moving back is less shows on each tour which leads to higher demand for those shows.  Also in the past you could only select 1 show per tour, now you can select multiple which brings more competition.

hairgrowth2001

Give the whole pavilion to 10 club members.

estarr31

Get_Right said:

Wait. I cannot read through 740 posts. Does anybody have the communication on reassignment?  Was it from the band or TM?

it was an email from Ticketstoday, just like the confirmation you won email. 

bootlegger10

Kevinman said:

JI10794 said:

know1 said:

CM189191 said:

Pottsy199 said:

PJINFLA said:

After this debacle Ticketmaster should be pressured to give up their "premium" seats and put them back in the mix for the reissued seat assignments.

The band won't want that because that's where they are making their nut on seats with the prices being capped for all other seats. I feel like one of the emails suggested that to a certain extent.

Something like...We are doing the premium seating to offset the cost of the price capped seats everywhere else.

Yes, but Premium seats shouldn't be better than 10C seats. Really gives me no reason to stay in the fan club. The primary reason I'm in 10C is to get good seats. But we still keep getting pushed around by TicketMaster. Give me a seat that actually faces the stage, not center ice. 

I've had my membership uninterrupted for 20 years now. Over that time, I've gone to about 20 shows. My seats have honestly never gotten better in that span. In fact, they seem to have gotten slightly worse over time. You can't tell me that some significant portion of the fanbase with better numbers than me hasn't let theirs drop in that time.

I get that they do smaller tours now and that means more might be choosing to go to a show and therefore having an effect on seating, but this was happening even when they had bigger tours. 

Not a complaint, but more of an observation. 

my seats have definitely gotten worse. I’ve been in the 10c for 27 and would always get first fifteen rows for Yield through Backspacer tours. And now I can’t even get tickets to a show through the fan club.

I'm in the same boat........member since 98 no lapses.  I think the main reason my seats are moving back is less shows on each tour which leads to higher demand for those shows.  Also in the past you could only select 1 show per tour, now you can select multiple which brings more competition.

There was never a cap on number of shows per tour (at least when I started seeing them in 1998).   Agree that less shows likely means your number isn't as good as when it was a 30 show tour.   From the sounds of it though we are getting some strange seating assignments based on seniority.  

mdbhound25

Have there been any updates or guesses on whether they will add lawn for Indy today?  I don’t believe I saw any confirmations/ tickets for lawn in the lottery yesterday. 

Yieldwaukee

Get_Right said:

Wait. I cannot read through 740 posts. Does anybody have the communication on reassignment?  Was it from the band or TM?

Was from Ticketstoday with the 10C header.

estarr31

Gern Blansten said:

estarr31 said:

Seat reassignments? It sounds like just for reserved seats tho right? I'm not losing GA? 

to be determined...I got emails for reserved seats but not for the GA tix in Noblesville

They didnt have a date on there but I did notice the receipt # and that lines up with just the reserved ticket one. Thanks. 

know1

machinehum said:

Seats getting worse on average has been officially and explicitly explained. They’ve made the decision that they’d rather 10C = more people can get a price-capped seat which includes mostly “worse” seats, rather than very few people get a price-capped seat but it’s much more likely to be a good one. It’s understandable if people don’t love that choice but it’s not a mystery. 

I'm pretty sure that's never been stated. 

CantKeepmedown

bootlegger10 said:

Kevinman said:

JI10794 said:

know1 said:

CM189191 said:

Pottsy199 said:

PJINFLA said:

After this debacle Ticketmaster should be pressured to give up their "premium" seats and put them back in the mix for the reissued seat assignments.

The band won't want that because that's where they are making their nut on seats with the prices being capped for all other seats. I feel like one of the emails suggested that to a certain extent.

Something like...We are doing the premium seating to offset the cost of the price capped seats everywhere else.

Yes, but Premium seats shouldn't be better than 10C seats. Really gives me no reason to stay in the fan club. The primary reason I'm in 10C is to get good seats. But we still keep getting pushed around by TicketMaster. Give me a seat that actually faces the stage, not center ice. 

I've had my membership uninterrupted for 20 years now. Over that time, I've gone to about 20 shows. My seats have honestly never gotten better in that span. In fact, they seem to have gotten slightly worse over time. You can't tell me that some significant portion of the fanbase with better numbers than me hasn't let theirs drop in that time.

I get that they do smaller tours now and that means more might be choosing to go to a show and therefore having an effect on seating, but this was happening even when they had bigger tours. 

Not a complaint, but more of an observation. 

my seats have definitely gotten worse. I’ve been in the 10c for 27 and would always get first fifteen rows for Yield through Backspacer tours. And now I can’t even get tickets to a show through the fan club.

I'm in the same boat........member since 98 no lapses.  I think the main reason my seats are moving back is less shows on each tour which leads to higher demand for those shows.  Also in the past you could only select 1 show per tour, now you can select multiple which brings more competition.

There was never a cap on number of shows per tour (at least when I started seeing them in 1998).  

I'm pretty sure there was at least up until the 2003 tour. I did like 10 shows in 2000 but could only do fanclub for one. Unless I'm misremembering. 

Doug87

Another observation, these Ten Club tickets that are in the lower level and floor are underpriced and the lower quality seats are overpriced relative to others.

To keep it simple, they really should consider moving to a 2 tier system and scrap Premium as part of the transition.

Maybe make top tier $175 - 225 and the lower tier $80 - 100 or so.

I know that many would get upset about that but it seems that charging a flat rate is how they keep their average ticket price within reason vs charging what quality seats are worth (within reason).

I see no reason that they don’t charge the same rate as the likes of say Metallica as an example.

Kevinman

CantKeepmedown said:

bootlegger10 said:

Kevinman said:

JI10794 said:

know1 said:

CM189191 said:

Pottsy199 said:

PJINFLA said:

After this debacle Ticketmaster should be pressured to give up their "premium" seats and put them back in the mix for the reissued seat assignments.

The band won't want that because that's where they are making their nut on seats with the prices being capped for all other seats. I feel like one of the emails suggested that to a certain extent.

Something like...We are doing the premium seating to offset the cost of the price capped seats everywhere else.

Yes, but Premium seats shouldn't be better than 10C seats. Really gives me no reason to stay in the fan club. The primary reason I'm in 10C is to get good seats. But we still keep getting pushed around by TicketMaster. Give me a seat that actually faces the stage, not center ice. 

I've had my membership uninterrupted for 20 years now. Over that time, I've gone to about 20 shows. My seats have honestly never gotten better in that span. In fact, they seem to have gotten slightly worse over time. You can't tell me that some significant portion of the fanbase with better numbers than me hasn't let theirs drop in that time.

I get that they do smaller tours now and that means more might be choosing to go to a show and therefore having an effect on seating, but this was happening even when they had bigger tours. 

Not a complaint, but more of an observation. 

my seats have definitely gotten worse. I’ve been in the 10c for 27 and would always get first fifteen rows for Yield through Backspacer tours. And now I can’t even get tickets to a show through the fan club.

I'm in the same boat........member since 98 no lapses.  I think the main reason my seats are moving back is less shows on each tour which leads to higher demand for those shows.  Also in the past you could only select 1 show per tour, now you can select multiple which brings more competition.

There was never a cap on number of shows per tour (at least when I started seeing them in 1998).  

I'm pretty sure there was at least up until the 2003 tour. I did like 10 shows in 2000 but could only do fanclub for one. Unless I'm misremembering. 

That's how I remember it also.

efroten2

Get_Right said:

Wait. I cannot read through 740 posts. Does anybody have the communication on reassignment?  Was it from the band or TM?

Unfortunately incorrect seat assignments were issued to Ten Club members for shows in St. Paul, Chicago and Indianapolis. We confirm you have reserved tickets to this show but to ensure all Ten Club members get the proper reserved seat location based on their seniority, seats are being reissued. 

You will receive a new confirmation tomorrow, Wednesday, April 26th with your accurate seat location.

Tonight, your credit card will be refunded in the amount of the first transaction and a new charge will appear on your card when the correct seats are assigned tomorrow. 

We apologize for the delay and any inconvenience this has caused.

loladog1

Woke up to this email from ticketmaster....anyone else get this?  Somebody F'ed up...

Unfortunately incorrect seat assignments were issued to Ten Club members for shows in St. Paul, Chicago and Indianapolis. We confirm you have reserved tickets to this show but to ensure all Ten Club members get the proper reserved seat location based on their seniority, seats are being reissued. 

You will receive a new confirmation tomorrow, Wednesday, April 26th with your accurate seat location.

Tonight, your credit card will be refunded in the amount of the first transaction and a new charge will appear on your card when the correct seats are assigned tomorrow. 

We apologize for the delay and any inconvenience this has caused.

CM189191

know1 said:

machinehum said:

Seats getting worse on average has been officially and explicitly explained. They’ve made the decision that they’d rather 10C = more people can get a price-capped seat which includes mostly “worse” seats, rather than very few people get a price-capped seat but it’s much more likely to be a good one. It’s understandable if people don’t love that choice but it’s not a mystery. 

I'm pretty sure that's never been stated. 

That's part of the problem, ain't it?

10C needs to be more forthcoming about the tickets being made available to members.  How many?  Where are they?  Especially since the tix are now non-transferrable.

Lsk6453

estarr31 said:

Get_Right said:

Wait. I cannot read through 740 posts. Does anybody have the communication on reassignment?  Was it from the band or TM?

it was an email from Ticketstoday, just like the confirmation you won email. 

of if you did not get it, then it doesn't affect you. I have reserved for Ft. Worth.

IlliniGuy76

Anyone thinking that tickets magically will be found & your order status will go from unfulfilled to fulfilled I think is going to be sadly disappointed..  and I’m in that boat 

machinehum

 

lowbudgetlush

Everyone seems to be getting hung up on “priority”. I quickly reread the email about ticket requests and don’t see any mention about priority. Just that you may win all shows you put in for. Yes, I know priority was a factor in the past.

Doug87

IlliniGuy76 said:

Anyone thinking that tickets magically will be found & your order status will go from unfulfilled to fulfilled I think is going to be sadly disappointed..  and I’m in that boat 

I don’t think you’re going to be disappointed based on the known tickets that are out there.

seems that the on sale did get abruptly halted yesterday and halted by design.

JeBurkhardt

IlliniGuy76 said:

Anyone thinking that tickets magically will be found & your order status will go from unfulfilled to fulfilled I think is going to be sadly disappointed..  and I’m in that boat 

You think even the Chicago behind the stage and Noblesville lawn tickets? There hasn't been any reports of those being assigned.

Bissy77

I'm predicting alot of complaining today with any reassignments being "worse" than their original assigned seats

andyfarrimond

0 for 3 here, my request was for Indy, Chi 1, Chi 2 - single ticket, GA or reserved for all 3.  Life goes on, I'm pretty confident that I can get a ticket to any of the shows through fan 2 fan, etc. so no meltdowns here

know1

machinehum said:

know1 said:

machinehum said:

Seats getting worse on average has been officially and explicitly explained. They’ve made the decision that they’d rather 10C = more people can get a price-capped seat which includes mostly “worse” seats, rather than very few people get a price-capped seat but it’s much more likely to be a good one. It’s understandable if people don’t love that choice but it’s not a mystery. 

I'm pretty sure that's never been stated. 

https://blog.ticketmaster.com/pearl-jam-tour-2023/

 
“Pearl Jam continues to try to protect fans’ access to fairly priced tickets by providing the majority of tickets to its Ten Club members, making tickets non-transferable where permitted, and by selling approximately 10% of tickets through PJ Premium at the market rate to offset increased costs.”

The % of seats allocated to 10C has been stated to be increasing, this may be the first time it’s been an actual majority (not sure on that). And they say explicitly that one reason is to allow more people to have access to price-capped tickets. 

That statement does not address at all the question about reserved seats getting progressively worse over time for people who have maintained a long standing member number. 

efroten2

Kevinman said:

CantKeepmedown said:

bootlegger10 said:

Kevinman said:

JI10794 said:

know1 said:

CM189191 said:

Pottsy199 said:

PJINFLA said:

After this debacle Ticketmaster should be pressured to give up their "premium" seats and put them back in the mix for the reissued seat assignments.

The band won't want that because that's where they are making their nut on seats with the prices being capped for all other seats. I feel like one of the emails suggested that to a certain extent.

Something like...We are doing the premium seating to offset the cost of the price capped seats everywhere else.

Yes, but Premium seats shouldn't be better than 10C seats. Really gives me no reason to stay in the fan club. The primary reason I'm in 10C is to get good seats. But we still keep getting pushed around by TicketMaster. Give me a seat that actually faces the stage, not center ice. 

I've had my membership uninterrupted for 20 years now. Over that time, I've gone to about 20 shows. My seats have honestly never gotten better in that span. In fact, they seem to have gotten slightly worse over time. You can't tell me that some significant portion of the fanbase with better numbers than me hasn't let theirs drop in that time.

I get that they do smaller tours now and that means more might be choosing to go to a show and therefore having an effect on seating, but this was happening even when they had bigger tours. 

Not a complaint, but more of an observation. 

my seats have definitely gotten worse. I’ve been in the 10c for 27 and would always get first fifteen rows for Yield through Backspacer tours. And now I can’t even get tickets to a show through the fan club.

I'm in the same boat........member since 98 no lapses.  I think the main reason my seats are moving back is less shows on each tour which leads to higher demand for those shows.  Also in the past you could only select 1 show per tour, now you can select multiple which brings more competition.

There was never a cap on number of shows per tour (at least when I started seeing them in 1998).  

I'm pretty sure there was at least up until the 2003 tour. I did like 10 shows in 2000 but could only do fanclub for one. Unless I'm misremembering. 

That's how I remember it also.

In 2003 I did 5-6 10C shows (had to mail in the payments!). I don’t remember if they started putting a cap on during the mid 2000s or not though.

JojoRice

The only way to fix this is to play Riot Act in full at one of the St. Paul shows. 

drakeheuer14

know1 said:

machinehum said:

know1 said:

machinehum said:

Seats getting worse on average has been officially and explicitly explained. They’ve made the decision that they’d rather 10C = more people can get a price-capped seat which includes mostly “worse” seats, rather than very few people get a price-capped seat but it’s much more likely to be a good one. It’s understandable if people don’t love that choice but it’s not a mystery. 

I'm pretty sure that's never been stated. 

https://blog.ticketmaster.com/pearl-jam-tour-2023/

 
“Pearl Jam continues to try to protect fans’ access to fairly priced tickets by providing the majority of tickets to its Ten Club members, making tickets non-transferable where permitted, and by selling approximately 10% of tickets through PJ Premium at the market rate to offset increased costs.”

The % of seats allocated to 10C has been stated to be increasing, this may be the first time it’s been an actual majority (not sure on that). And they say explicitly that one reason is to allow more people to have access to price-capped tickets. 

That statement does not address at all the question about reserved seats getting progressively worse over time for people who have maintained a long standing member number. 

Less and less shows must at least play a small part 

jdopj

IlliniGuy76 said:

Anyone thinking that tickets magically will be found & your order status will go from unfulfilled to fulfilled I think is going to be sadly disappointed..  and I’m in that boat 

My argument to that is they are assigning seats in areas they never did before so they received more seats than normal in exchange for 10% Platinum allotment.
People were getting St. Paul with their 4th option but people lost out on the same show with their 1st option which has never happened before. Something was broken with reserved for those shows which is why everyone got refunds. They are going to start over. If they don’t, than this was beyond a disaster.

CB6978

AUS1 (only request): FLR3, Row 1

10c number 129XXX