I scored Austin night 1 and night 2. Night 2 must be a popular one..Ended up with lower level seats towards the back of the arena. Thankful nonetheless.
Anyone thinking that tickets magically will be found & your order status will go from unfulfilled to fulfilled I think is going to be sadly disappointed.. and I’m in that boat
Well my request went "unfulfilled". I'm pissed. I need to emotionally detach myself from the notion that I'll be seeing my favorite band in the Fall. And I would've been willing to pay a lot more than $300.
Anyone thinking that tickets magically will be found & your order status will go from unfulfilled to fulfilled I think is going to be sadly disappointed.. and I’m in that boat
Same here
I emailed ten club support asking how folks are getting tickets with Chicago as a 3-5 the choice (same selections) while many folks with it listed as 1-2 priority got shut out. That absolutely needs to be explained, somewhere.
or you can come to terms and realize you're the only one who can forgive yourself oh yeah... makes much more sense to live in the present tense...
Seats getting worse on average has been officially and explicitly explained. They’ve made the decision that they’d rather 10C = more people can get a price-capped seat which includes mostly “worse” seats, rather than very few people get a price-capped seat but it’s much more likely to be a good one. It’s understandable if people don’t love that choice but it’s not a mystery.
“Pearl Jam continues to try to protect fans’ access to fairly priced tickets by providing the majority of tickets to its Ten Club members, making tickets non-transferable where permitted, and by selling approximately 10% of tickets through PJ Premium at the market rate to offset increased costs.”
The % of seats allocated to 10C has been stated to be increasing, this may be the first time it’s been an actual majority (not sure on that). And they say explicitly that one reason is to allow more people to have access to price-capped tickets.
That statement does not address at all the question about reserved seats getting progressively worse over time for people who have maintained a long standing member number.
Of course it does, that’s just math. If 10 times as many club members are being picked, it’s exponentially more likely that people with even lower numbers than you are getting seats who wouldn’t have before. Additionally, they’re offsetting the “cost” of this to the band by selling more “Premium” seats, many or most of which will also be better ones.
Sorry - but you are incorrect on the first part. All members have always been able to put in for as many shows as they wanted. The only thing that impacts are the odds of getting chosen in the lottery. It does not explain seats getting worse.
But yes - the "Premium" seats issue likely does have an effect. But they don't say where those are so again it's not been specifically stated.
The smaller number of shows likely has an effect as well.
At the same time, how many people with a better number than me have let them drop at least once in the last 20 years? So that should offset things.
You could put in as many shoes as you want but your first selection had best chance and then you couldn’t be picked for more shoes - that’s how it worked last time, this show they are allowing multiple shows
Both of my Chicago requests (1/2 priority)) say unfulfilled now. So I don't expect that to miraculously change today.
You could/should as everyone got that at exactly midnight even though side/rear and lawn weren’t assigned yesterday.
don’t know if you will for sure be in luck but does seem to be an auto set from the system and not indicative of anything.
That's what I mean when I say that it would be nice for the team to communicate about that aspect. It seems pretty likely to all of us that there haven't been any side/rear Chicago winners notified yet because in almost 150 pages here I don't recall one person stating they got notified that they won side/rear view. But it's also possible they picked the lottery winners, but halted seating assignments yesterday when they noticed the issue and will finish that for Chicago, St. Paul and Indy today.
I suspect that they didn’t send those out because they noticed the priority 1 issue.
I honestly think the seniority seating communication is a smoke screen for the bigger issue of priority and reassigning all the seats allows them to fix it if they only issued, let’s say 40-60% of their allotment.
Texas had issues too with seniority seating, yet isn’t being reassigned, no priority issues though of note from what I’ve read thus far.
I emailed ten club support asking how folks are getting tickets with Chicago as a 3-5 the choice (same selections) while many folks with it listed as 1-2 priority got shut out. That absolutely needs to be explained, somewhere.
You know how lotteries work, correct?
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Well my request went "unfulfilled". I'm pissed. I need to emotionally detach myself from the notion that I'll be seeing my favorite band in the Fall. And I would've been willing to pay a lot more than $300.
uh....you have plenty of opportunities to buy tickets. Just because you don't get them through 10C doesn't mean shit
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It will be interesting (and I am sure make this thread explode) when new seat locations are re-issued as well... wondering how much of a bump in quality older TC members get versus how much of a decline in quality newer TC members get.
Do you think TC will address those who say, had Chicago #2 as Priority 1 and lost while someone had it #3 and won? Or if they lost because they had just GA/Reserved but not Reserved and that was the reason for this happening?
Time will tell. A lot of people must have emailed the Ten Club about this to make this re-seating happen in the first place.
Anyone thinking that tickets magically will be found & your order status will go from unfulfilled to fulfilled I think is going to be sadly disappointed.. and I’m in that boat
Same here
I emailed ten club support asking how folks are getting tickets with Chicago as a 3-5 the choice (same selections) while many folks with it listed as 1-2 priority got shut out. That absolutely needs to be explained, somewhere.
Same here I’m super bummed. I get it’s a lottery but all I put in for was a single anywhere to Chicago N2 and it stings.
I emailed ten club support asking how folks are getting tickets with Chicago as a 3-5 the choice (same selections) while many folks with it listed as 1-2 priority got shut out. That absolutely needs to be explained, somewhere.
You know how lotteries work, correct?
I sure do!
The positive is: 1) no where is this listed as a lottery 2) and it still makes zero sense what I listed. If you have 1-2 priority your priority is looked at a “lottery” sooner than 3-5. Oh! And before you attempt to school us all on how this precisely worked, please don’t - it’s just common sense.
If people who have already scored same selections in choices 1-4 got seats & were getting seats on priority 5-6 to a show over folks 1-2, that’s a major issue. if priority didn’t matter in a “lottery” guess what wouldn’t be there? A priority selection
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or you can come to terms and realize you're the only one who can forgive yourself oh yeah... makes much more sense to live in the present tense...
I think I am taking a break from the boards today. Sad I didn't get Indy seats or GA (being my only request), but I understand the process. I should have done my research and realized it's a lawn-heavy venue. Good luck to all and I'll see you at the public on sale. Now I'm off to worry about whether or not I got selected for verified fan - of which I don't think I've ever actually been selected for any other band that I've tried.
Cheers, all.
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It will be interesting (and I am sure make this thread explode) when new seat locations are re-issued as well... wondering how much of a bump in quality older TC members get versus how much of a decline in quality newer TC members get.
Do you think TC will address those who say, had Chicago #2 as Priority 1 and lost while someone had it #3 and won? Or if they lost because they had just GA/Reserved but not Reserved and that was the reason for this happening?
Time will tell. A lot of people must have emailed the Ten Club about this to make this re-seating happen in the first place.
I’m guessing a lot of people emailed mid day on both the seating and the priority issue which halted things.
if they hadn’t been halted, there would be no path to fixing it.
if they did it halt it, which by all appearances they did, then there’s still an extremely viable path to make sure everyone with priority 1 gets a ticket (Excluding maybe Noblesville if you didn’t green light the lawn, as there could be more than 5-7K requests for that one as priority 1).
Seats getting worse on average has been officially and explicitly explained. They’ve made the decision that they’d rather 10C = more people can get a price-capped seat which includes mostly “worse” seats, rather than very few people get a price-capped seat but it’s much more likely to be a good one. It’s understandable if people don’t love that choice but it’s not a mystery.
“Pearl Jam continues to try to protect fans’ access to fairly priced tickets by providing the majority of tickets to its Ten Club members, making tickets non-transferable where permitted, and by selling approximately 10% of tickets through PJ Premium at the market rate to offset increased costs.”
The % of seats allocated to 10C has been stated to be increasing, this may be the first time it’s been an actual majority (not sure on that). And they say explicitly that one reason is to allow more people to have access to price-capped tickets.
That statement does not address at all the question about reserved seats getting progressively worse over time for people who have maintained a long standing member number.
Of course it does, that’s just math. If 10 times as many club members are being picked, it’s exponentially more likely that people with even lower numbers than you are getting seats who wouldn’t have before. Additionally, they’re offsetting the “cost” of this to the band by selling more “Premium” seats, many or most of which will also be better ones.
Sorry - but you are incorrect on the first part. All members have always been able to put in for as many shows as they wanted. The only thing that impacts are the odds of getting chosen in the lottery. It does not explain seats getting worse.
But yes - the "Premium" seats issue likely does have an effect. But they don't say where those are so again it's not been specifically stated.
The smaller number of shows likely has an effect as well.
At the same time, how many people with a better number than me have let them drop at least once in the last 20 years? So that should offset things.
You could put in as many shoes as you want but your first selection had best chance and then you couldn’t be picked for more shoes - that’s how it worked last time, this show they are allowing multiple shows
This, except swap shows for shoes............and not last time but in the past. You put in requests for as many shows as you wanted, but once you won 1 show, you were done.
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I emailed ten club support asking how folks are getting tickets with Chicago as a 3-5 the choice (same selections) while many folks with it listed as 1-2 priority got shut out. That absolutely needs to be explained, somewhere.
You know how lotteries work, correct?
Every previous lotteries used the priority system that selected 1st priority choices first for single show before going to 2nd priorities.
If they changed this for this tour, it should have been explained up front. If priority means squat going forward, that needs to be explained by the Tenclub.
Got my email at 1213 am say they screwed up on the tickets. It'll get worked out eventually
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I've got a 5 digit member number and understand why my seats have gotten progressively worse for most shows:
- Addition of GA
- Fewer shows which concentrates the high demand
- A (seemingly increasing) number of good seats being set aside for premium which would have otherwise been 10C - Potential difference of opinion over which seat locations are "better" if you're ranking them for seniority purposes
The Fenway shows were old school layouts with no GA and my seats were old school awesome.
Even though that whole thing is a slight bummer, big big kudos to 10C for recognizing the issue here and taking action. Mistakes happen and how you respond is the key. It's a lot of extra work to do the right thing and they're doing it.
It will be interesting (and I am sure make this thread explode) when new seat locations are re-issued as well... wondering how much of a bump in quality older TC members get versus how much of a decline in quality newer TC members get.
Do you think TC will address those who say, had Chicago #2 as Priority 1 and lost while someone had it #3 and won? Or if they lost because they had just GA/Reserved but not Reserved and that was the reason for this happening?
Time will tell. A lot of people must have emailed the Ten Club about this to make this re-seating happen in the first place.
I know plenty of people who had Chicago 1-2 and only selected seats & were chosen
or you can come to terms and realize you're the only one who can forgive yourself oh yeah... makes much more sense to live in the present tense...
I woke up this morning to find my inbox has my ticket! Chicago 1, Section 109. Happy with the win, but what happened to 10c getting the best seats? This section is pretty far back in the United Center. Been in the club for over 25 years, have a low membership number, 25xxx, but my seat is the worst I've ever won through 10C. (Single Ticket request) Will try on Ticketmaster tomorrow to see if I can improve. Since this show is in IL, the no transfer rule does not apply. If I can do better, I will offer this seat to a fellow PJ fan who did not get so lucky. Can't wait!!!
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Anyone thinking that tickets magically will be found & your order status will go from unfulfilled to fulfilled I think is going to be sadly disappointed.. and I’m in that boat
Same here
I emailed ten club support asking how folks are getting tickets with Chicago as a 3-5 the choice (same selections) while many folks with it listed as 1-2 priority got shut out. That absolutely needs to be explained, somewhere.
I’d be interested to hear their response. If you hear anything, please let us know what they tell you.
Well my request went "unfulfilled". I'm pissed. I need to emotionally detach myself from the notion that I'll be seeing my favorite band in the Fall. And I would've been willing to pay a lot more than $300.
There's still the "normal" sale on Friday and then the good old secondary market. You're fine.
Anyone thinking that tickets magically will be found & your order status will go from unfulfilled to fulfilled I think is going to be sadly disappointed.. and I’m in that boat
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you're the only one who can forgive yourself oh yeah...
makes much more sense to live in the present tense...
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I honestly think the seniority seating communication is a smoke screen for the bigger issue of priority and reassigning all the seats allows them to fix it if they only issued, let’s say 40-60% of their allotment.
Texas had issues too with seniority seating, yet isn’t being reassigned, no priority issues though of note from what I’ve read thus far.
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Do you think TC will address those who say, had Chicago #2 as Priority 1 and lost while someone had it #3 and won? Or if they lost because they had just GA/Reserved but not Reserved and that was the reason for this happening?
Time will tell. A lot of people must have emailed the Ten Club about this to make this re-seating happen in the first place.
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The positive is: 1) no where is this listed as a lottery 2) and it still makes zero sense what I listed. If you have 1-2 priority your priority is looked at a “lottery” sooner than 3-5.
Oh! And before you attempt to school us all on how this precisely worked, please don’t - it’s just common sense.
if priority didn’t matter in a “lottery” guess what wouldn’t be there? A priority selection
you're the only one who can forgive yourself oh yeah...
makes much more sense to live in the present tense...
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Cheers, all.
if they hadn’t been halted, there would be no path to fixing it.
if they did it halt it, which by all appearances they did, then there’s still an extremely viable path to make sure everyone with priority 1 gets a ticket (Excluding maybe Noblesville if you didn’t green light the lawn, as there could be more than 5-7K requests for that one as priority 1).
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- Addition of GA
- Potential difference of opinion over which seat locations are "better" if you're ranking them for seniority purposes
The Fenway shows were old school layouts with no GA and my seats were old school awesome.
Even though that whole thing is a slight bummer, big big kudos to 10C for recognizing the issue here and taking action. Mistakes happen and how you respond is the key. It's a lot of extra work to do the right thing and they're doing it.
you're the only one who can forgive yourself oh yeah...
makes much more sense to live in the present tense...
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