weren't the west coast dates posted by another 10c'er that wasn't facemeltor, but claimed the info came from Facemeltor's mom? I guess I'm not sure how reliable those dates are Still find it odd they bookend the tour with Vancouver/Seattle, rather than playing them back to back.
I do love the Vancouver shows are early May dates, which shows promoters/venues have a lack of faith in the Canucks
weren't the west coast dates posted by another 10c'er that wasn't facemeltor, but claimed the info came from Facemeltor's mom? I guess I'm not sure how reliable those dates are Still find it odd they bookend the tour with Vancouver/Seattle, rather than playing them back to back.
I do love the Vancouver shows are early May dates, which shows promoters/venues have a lack of faith in the Canucks
There are days off between. Plenty of room there to be flexible with doing a day before/after
weren't the west coast dates posted by another 10c'er that wasn't facemeltor, but claimed the info came from Facemeltor's mom? I guess I'm not sure how reliable those dates are Still find it odd they bookend the tour with Vancouver/Seattle, rather than playing them back to back.
I do love the Vancouver shows are early May dates, which shows promoters/venues have a lack of faith in the Canucks
That's what I said but then Facemeltor came from the top rope and confirmed it
OP you can update Barcelona 2nd night to jul 8 , facemeltor somewhere in the thread mentioned. First night its either 6 or 7
I only recalled him/her telling someone they would be able to attend the 2nd show, not the first. And I believe they were only able to attend dates between July 6-9th. So if it were the 6 & 8th, he/she would have been able to attend both shows. He/she replied with deciding to then miss both shows because it wasn't worth traveling to Barcelona for just the 1 should they could attend. I think that's how it went. But if anyone had any evidence otherwise, I'll gladly change it.
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Just wait. The festival talk is all wishful thinking at this point, at least from what I gathered. If there are four legs of this tour in 2024, then it makes sense the each of them will be smaller.
The three 14 show legs tip we heard about a few weeks (months?) back keeps coming back to me. 7-9 cities each leg, lots of two night stands with an off day in between.
14 shows is too long for each leg.
If this comment also refers to Europe, I paid attention correctly in elementary school and the rumors so far are true (Dublin, Manchester, 2x London, 2x Berlin, 2x Barcelona, Madrid and Lisbon) then there won't be much more to come. That brings us to 10 shows already. However, I find it a bit strange. You're already in Europe and after being on the same latitude with the UK and Berlin, you then travel 1,500 kilometers (930 miles) south and skip all the other countries. Or 2,000 kilometers (1,240 miles) on the road. Not nice for the people in Prague and Vienna.
Sometimes I wonder how much the band is involved in tour planning and management.
The tour is planned for months now and they could have started with pretty much any option they want. So if they wanted to play Prague and Vienna to make up for the cancelled shows they could have. Easily.
So someone made the concious decision to play Dublin and Manchester instead of Prague and Vienna. And I just do not get why.
I've often heard people say that the band owes us nothing. And I understand the meaning behind it. But that decision would be really tough. As you say, the band could decide and say we're playing Vienna and Prague. Period.
I wonder if there was an insurance settlement or something that paid the refunds for canceled Vienna and Prague shows and if new shows are booked in those cities within 24 months or whatever it affects the settlement because they could have just postponed. Other than something like that, I agree it’s pretty disappointing If they do Europe and exclude those. (That said, perhaps Prague didn’t sell very well and the promoter isn’t interested in the financial risk of booking them again.)
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Prague 2018 was sold out. And for 2022 it was listed May 2020, a half year after the other tour dates (that were listed December 2019). In May 2020 we had already corona, so nobody knew if this concert could happen 2021 (for what it was first scheduled). So there is no reason to skip Prague, Vienna or Krakow- they all sold out in the past and would do that again. Would be nice to have at least 2 of these 3 back in 2024.
Sometimes I wonder how much the band is involved in tour planning and management.
The tour is planned for months now and they could have started with pretty much any option they want. So if they wanted to play Prague and Vienna to make up for the cancelled shows they could have. Easily.
So someone made the concious decision to play Dublin and Manchester instead of Prague and Vienna. And I just do not get why.
Maybe the settlement for cancelling them shows was astronomical and the band aren't interested in that being a possibility again?
There are plenty of reasons they might not want to go to those countries this time around.
Sometimes I wonder how much the band is involved in tour planning and management.
The tour is planned for months now and they could have started with pretty much any option they want. So if they wanted to play Prague and Vienna to make up for the cancelled shows they could have. Easily.
So someone made the concious decision to play Dublin and Manchester instead of Prague and Vienna. And I just do not get why.
Maybe the settlement for cancelling them shows was astronomical and the band aren't interested in that being a possibility again?
There are plenty of reasons they might not want to go to those countries this time around.
Of course there are reasons. Just none that I could understand. Expect for the insurance thing. That actually makes sense. Pete Townshend said something similar about The Who‘s cancelled UK shows. They couldn‘t come back before 2 years after the cancelled dates. Maybe for the same reason Amsterdam is also missing from the itinerary.
Sometimes I wonder how much the band is involved in tour planning and management.
The tour is planned for months now and they could have started with pretty much any option they want. So if they wanted to play Prague and Vienna to make up for the cancelled shows they could have. Easily.
So someone made the concious decision to play Dublin and Manchester instead of Prague and Vienna. And I just do not get why.
Maybe the settlement for cancelling them shows was astronomical and the band aren't interested in that being a possibility again?
There are plenty of reasons they might not want to go to those countries this time around.
Of course there are reasons. Just none that I could understand. Expect for the insurance thing. That actually makes sense. Pete Townshend said something similar about The Who‘s cancelled UK shows. They couldn‘t come back before 2 years after the cancelled dates. Maybe for the same reason Amsterdam is also missing from the itinerary.
Sometimes I wonder how much the band is involved in tour planning and management.
The tour is planned for months now and they could have started with pretty much any option they want. So if they wanted to play Prague and Vienna to make up for the cancelled shows they could have. Easily.
So someone made the concious decision to play Dublin and Manchester instead of Prague and Vienna. And I just do not get why.
Maybe the settlement for cancelling them shows was astronomical and the band aren't interested in that being a possibility again?
There are plenty of reasons they might not want to go to those countries this time around.
Of course there are reasons. Just none that I could understand. Expect for the insurance thing. That actually makes sense. Pete Townshend said something similar about The Who‘s cancelled UK shows. They couldn‘t come back before 2 years after the cancelled dates. Maybe for the same reason Amsterdam is also missing from the itinerary.
Great insight,maybe thats the reason
Agree, double blow for the fans there though!
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Sometimes I wonder how much the band is involved in tour planning and management.
The tour is planned for months now and they could have started with pretty much any option they want. So if they wanted to play Prague and Vienna to make up for the cancelled shows they could have. Easily.
So someone made the concious decision to play Dublin and Manchester instead of Prague and Vienna. And I just do not get why.
Also you need to remember that the U.K. and Germany have the most fans in Europe, primarily as the two largest countries, and have some of the best airport links. Around 68m in the U.K. and 83m in Germany vs around 10-20m in many of those countries mentioned. No different with other bands. Eg the vast majority of the recent QOTSA tour was in U.K. and Germany with just an odd few shows in Ireland and the BeNeLux countries. They skipped everywhere else.
Sometimes I wonder how much the band is involved in tour planning and management.
The tour is planned for months now and they could have started with pretty much any option they want. So if they wanted to play Prague and Vienna to make up for the cancelled shows they could have. Easily.
So someone made the concious decision to play Dublin and Manchester instead of Prague and Vienna. And I just do not get why.
Also you need to remember that the U.K. and Germany have the most fans in Europe, primarily as the two largest countries, and have some of the best airport links. Around 68m in the U.K. and 83m in Germany vs around 10-20m in many of those countries mentioned. No different with other bands. Eg the vast majority of the recent QOTSA tour was in U.K. and Germany with just an odd few shows in Ireland and the BeNeLux countries. They skipped everywhere else.
And yet those smaller countrys (with les fans) sell out quicker than those 2 bigger ones. Funny how that works
Sometimes I wonder how much the band is involved in tour planning and management.
The tour is planned for months now and they could have started with pretty much any option they want. So if they wanted to play Prague and Vienna to make up for the cancelled shows they could have. Easily.
So someone made the concious decision to play Dublin and Manchester instead of Prague and Vienna. And I just do not get why.
Also you need to remember that the U.K. and Germany have the most fans in Europe, primarily as the two largest countries, and have some of the best airport links. Around 68m in the U.K. and 83m in Germany vs around 10-20m in many of those countries mentioned. No different with other bands. Eg the vast majority of the recent QOTSA tour was in U.K. and Germany with just an odd few shows in Ireland and the BeNeLux countries. They skipped everywhere else.
And yet those smaller countrys (with les fans) sell out quicker than those 2 bigger ones. Funny how that works
That has to do with the venue as well.. when they sale 2 nights in hyde park with capacity of 70 k per night its slower the sell out than 12k is the venue in Budapest for one night also Germany has alot of times slow time to sold out than other countries.+ they have their own system to resale face value ticket through original ticket vendor so fans its more safe to search later for tickets for face value
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Sometimes I wonder how much the band is involved in tour planning and management.
The tour is planned for months now and they could have started with pretty much any option they want. So if they wanted to play Prague and Vienna to make up for the cancelled shows they could have. Easily.
So someone made the concious decision to play Dublin and Manchester instead of Prague and Vienna. And I just do not get why.
Also you need to remember that the U.K. and Germany have the most fans in Europe, primarily as the two largest countries, and have some of the best airport links. Around 68m in the U.K. and 83m in Germany vs around 10-20m in many of those countries mentioned. No different with other bands. Eg the vast majority of the recent QOTSA tour was in U.K. and Germany with just an odd few shows in Ireland and the BeNeLux countries. They skipped everywhere else.
And yet those smaller countrys (with les fans) sell out quicker than those 2 bigger ones. Funny how that works
That has to do with the venue as well.. when they sale 2 nights in hyde park with capacity of 70 k per night its slower the sell out than 12k is the venue in Budapest for one night also Germany has alot of times slow time to sold out than other countries.+ they have their own system to resale face value ticket through original ticket vendor so fans its more safe to search later for tickets for face value
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Sometimes I wonder how much the band is involved in tour planning and management.
The tour is planned for months now and they could have started with pretty much any option they want. So if they wanted to play Prague and Vienna to make up for the cancelled shows they could have. Easily.
So someone made the concious decision to play Dublin and Manchester instead of Prague and Vienna. And I just do not get why.
Also you need to remember that the U.K. and Germany have the most fans in Europe, primarily as the two largest countries, and have some of the best airport links. Around 68m in the U.K. and 83m in Germany vs around 10-20m in many of those countries mentioned. No different with other bands. Eg the vast majority of the recent QOTSA tour was in U.K. and Germany with just an odd few shows in Ireland and the BeNeLux countries. They skipped everywhere else.
And yet those smaller countrys (with les fans) sell out quicker than those 2 bigger ones. Funny how that works
That has to do with the venue as well.. when they sale 2 nights in hyde park with capacity of 70 k per night its slower the sell out than 12k is the venue in Budapest for one night also Germany has alot of times slow time to sold out than other countries.+ they have their own system to resale face value ticket through original ticket vendor so fans its more safe to search later for tickets for face value
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I do love the Vancouver shows are early May dates, which shows promoters/venues have a lack of faith in the Canucks
The tour is planned for months now and they could have started with pretty much any option they want. So if they wanted to play Prague and Vienna to make up for the cancelled shows they could have. Easily.
So someone made the concious decision to play Dublin and Manchester instead of Prague and Vienna. And I just do not get why.
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And for 2022 it was listed May 2020, a half year after the other tour dates (that were listed December 2019).
In May 2020 we had already corona, so nobody knew if this concert could happen 2021 (for what it was first scheduled).
So there is no reason to skip Prague, Vienna or Krakow- they all sold out in the past and would do that again.
Would be nice to have at least 2 of these 3 back in 2024.
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There are plenty of reasons they might not want to go to those countries this time around.
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when they sale 2 nights in hyde park with capacity of 70 k per night its slower the sell out than 12k is the venue in Budapest for one night
also Germany has alot of times slow time to sold out than other countries.+ they have their own system to resale face value ticket through original ticket vendor so fans its more safe to search later for tickets for face value
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