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  • take that are playing Malahide Dublin on 21st june so probably won’t be there on the 22nd
  • seanclaxseanclax Posts: 561
    mcwillch said:
    take that are playing Malahide Dublin on 21st june so probably won’t be there on the 22nd
    It's gonna be marley park
  • seanclaxseanclax Posts: 561
    Zen23 said:
    JackD. said:
    seanclax said:
    Zen23 said:

    A thought experiment about the two Berlin shows. If they always have a two-day break between Dublin, Manchester and London, then they will certainly only play their first concert in Berlin on July 2nd. Especially after a double concert in London. But since the Waldbühne Berlin is already booked for July 4, it could only be July 2 and 3 for a double concert. It certainly won't take place on July 5 if Barcelona is on the program for July 6. That could be quite exhausting. Or there will only be one gig in Berlin after all. That would make everything a bit more relaxed for the band.

    Berlin has been rumoured for July 2/3 for a while
    Which is not correct.
    Which date for berlin is correct?
    July 2/3.
    Already told you once.


  • JimmiJimmi Posts: 36
    seanclax said:
    Zen23 said:
    JackD. said:
    seanclax said:
    Zen23 said:

    A thought experiment about the two Berlin shows. If they always have a two-day break between Dublin, Manchester and London, then they will certainly only play their first concert in Berlin on July 2nd. Especially after a double concert in London. But since the Waldbühne Berlin is already booked for July 4, it could only be July 2 and 3 for a double concert. It certainly won't take place on July 5 if Barcelona is on the program for July 6. That could be quite exhausting. Or there will only be one gig in Berlin after all. That would make everything a bit more relaxed for the band.

    Berlin has been rumoured for July 2/3 for a while
    Which is not correct.
    Which date for berlin is correct?
    July 2/3.
    Already told you once.


    Thanks!🤙
  • on2legs said:
    Anyone recall the post where the rumored May dates were set out? 

    Thanks.  That’s so weird, 4 days between Vancouver and Portland.  Wonder if there might be a Spokane or something on the 8th.  
    If they play on the 6th and the 10th, then there are 3 OFF days (7,8,9th) between. If the standard is 2 off days before each new city, then that's not enough time to add another show before Portland.
    That’s true, but it’s so odd to start a tour and immediately have that many days off.  Something doesn’t add up.  The source of the dates is considered reliable, but the source never said they were the only dates.  
    Just guessing here, but does it make sense that the extra day off could be to cover any extra time needed to get across the border?
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  • Zen23Zen23 Posts: 470
    seanclax said:
    Zen23 said:
    JackD. said:
    seanclax said:
    Zen23 said:

    A thought experiment about the two Berlin shows. If they always have a two-day break between Dublin, Manchester and London, then they will certainly only play their first concert in Berlin on July 2nd. Especially after a double concert in London. But since the Waldbühne Berlin is already booked for July 4, it could only be July 2 and 3 for a double concert. It certainly won't take place on July 5 if Barcelona is on the program for July 6. That could be quite exhausting. Or there will only be one gig in Berlin after all. That would make everything a bit more relaxed for the band.

    Berlin has been rumoured for July 2/3 for a while
    Which is not correct.
    Which date for berlin is correct?
    July 2/3.
    Already told you once.


    You don't have to repeat yourself. I remember your post very well. My question was directed at JackD. and his other opinion on the subject.
  • JackD.JackD. Posts: 522
    Zen23 said:
    seanclax said:
    Zen23 said:
    JackD. said:
    seanclax said:
    Zen23 said:

    A thought experiment about the two Berlin shows. If they always have a two-day break between Dublin, Manchester and London, then they will certainly only play their first concert in Berlin on July 2nd. Especially after a double concert in London. But since the Waldbühne Berlin is already booked for July 4, it could only be July 2 and 3 for a double concert. It certainly won't take place on July 5 if Barcelona is on the program for July 6. That could be quite exhausting. Or there will only be one gig in Berlin after all. That would make everything a bit more relaxed for the band.

    Berlin has been rumoured for July 2/3 for a while
    Which is not correct.
    Which date for berlin is correct?
    July 2/3.
    Already told you once.


    You don't have to repeat yourself. I remember your post very well. My question was directed at JackD. and his other opinion on the subject.
    Thruth can be found some pages back.
  • seanclax said:
    mcwillch said:
    take that are playing Malahide Dublin on 21st june so probably won’t be there on the 22nd
    It's gonna be marley park
    How's the transport there ? Was planning on Dublin but might skip it if its going to be a pain getting to and from 
  • Zen23Zen23 Posts: 470
    JackD. said:
    Zen23 said:
    seanclax said:
    Zen23 said:
    JackD. said:
    seanclax said:
    Zen23 said:

    A thought experiment about the two Berlin shows. If they always have a two-day break between Dublin, Manchester and London, then they will certainly only play their first concert in Berlin on July 2nd. Especially after a double concert in London. But since the Waldbühne Berlin is already booked for July 4, it could only be July 2 and 3 for a double concert. It certainly won't take place on July 5 if Barcelona is on the program for July 6. That could be quite exhausting. Or there will only be one gig in Berlin after all. That would make everything a bit more relaxed for the band.

    Berlin has been rumoured for July 2/3 for a while
    Which is not correct.
    Which date for berlin is correct?
    July 2/3.
    Already told you once.


    You don't have to repeat yourself. I remember your post very well. My question was directed at JackD. and his other opinion on the subject.
    Thruth can be found some pages back.
    My head isn't working properly because of this nasty, sneaky, stubborn Covid. I did my best. Could you please do me a favor and at least give me the page number of the truth. I would be sincerely grateful for that.
  • seanclax said:
    mcwillch said:
    take that are playing Malahide Dublin on 21st june so probably won’t be there on the 22nd
    It's gonna be marley park
    How's the transport there ? Was planning on Dublin but might skip it if its going to be a pain getting to and from 
    A pain in the ass. 

    There is a bus outside the park, but that'll be carnage. If you walk east for about 40 minutes you can reach the trams which go into the city (may be a park and ride option here for the gigs). I imagine private companies will run pre-booked shuttle buses to and fro the city centre, which is probably the option I'd take.
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  • david1988 said:
    seanclax said:
    mcwillch said:
    take that are playing Malahide Dublin on 21st june so probably won’t be there on the 22nd
    It's gonna be marley park
    How's the transport there ? Was planning on Dublin but might skip it if its going to be a pain getting to and from 
    A pain in the ass. 

    There is a bus outside the park, but that'll be carnage. If you walk east for about 40 minutes you can reach the trams which go into the city (may be a park and ride option here for the gigs). I imagine private companies will run pre-booked shuttle buses to and fro the city centre, which is probably the option I'd take.
    Thanks if its not the 3 arena I'll probably skip it and do berlin instead 
  • on2legs said:
    Anyone recall the post where the rumored May dates were set out? 

    Thanks.  That’s so weird, 4 days between Vancouver and Portland.  Wonder if there might be a Spokane or something on the 8th.  
    If they play on the 6th and the 10th, then there are 3 OFF days (7,8,9th) between. If the standard is 2 off days before each new city, then that's not enough time to add another show before Portland.
    That’s true, but it’s so odd to start a tour and immediately have that many days off.  Something doesn’t add up.  The source of the dates is considered reliable, but the source never said they were the only dates.  
    Just guessing here, but does it make sense that the extra day off could be to cover any extra time needed to get across the border?
    No.  
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    Gutted:  London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
  • david1988 said:
    seanclax said:
    mcwillch said:
    take that are playing Malahide Dublin on 21st june so probably won’t be there on the 22nd
    It's gonna be marley park
    How's the transport there ? Was planning on Dublin but might skip it if its going to be a pain getting to and from 
    A pain in the ass. 

    There is a bus outside the park, but that'll be carnage. If you walk east for about 40 minutes you can reach the trams which go into the city (may be a park and ride option here for the gigs). I imagine private companies will run pre-booked shuttle buses to and fro the city centre, which is probably the option I'd take.
    Thanks if its not the 3 arena I'll probably skip it and do berlin instead 
    London and Berlin - 4 shows in 6 days I believe. Tough to beat that.  
    PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2; 2024:  Vancouver 1-2, LV 1-2, LA 1-2, Napa, Barcelona 1-2
     
    EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.

    Gutted:  London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
  • david1988 said:
    seanclax said:
    mcwillch said:
    take that are playing Malahide Dublin on 21st june so probably won’t be there on the 22nd
    It's gonna be marley park
    How's the transport there ? Was planning on Dublin but might skip it if its going to be a pain getting to and from 
    A pain in the ass. 

    There is a bus outside the park, but that'll be carnage. If you walk east for about 40 minutes you can reach the trams which go into the city (may be a park and ride option here for the gigs). I imagine private companies will run pre-booked shuttle buses to and fro the city centre, which is probably the option I'd take.
    Thanks if its not the 3 arena I'll probably skip it and do berlin instead 
    London and Berlin - 4 shows in 6 days I believe. Tough to beat that.  
    When you put it like that......
  • damnaxedamnaxe Posts: 135
    david1988 said:
    seanclax said:
    mcwillch said:
    take that are playing Malahide Dublin on 21st june so probably won’t be there on the 22nd
    It's gonna be marley park
    How's the transport there ? Was planning on Dublin but might skip it if its going to be a pain getting to and from 
    A pain in the ass. 

    There is a bus outside the park, but that'll be carnage. If you walk east for about 40 minutes you can reach the trams which go into the city (may be a park and ride option here for the gigs). I imagine private companies will run pre-booked shuttle buses to and fro the city centre, which is probably the option I'd take.
    Thanks if its not the 3 arena I'll probably skip it and do berlin instead 
    London and Berlin - 4 shows in 6 days I believe. Tough to beat that.  
    So you think london 28/29.6. and Berlin 2/3.7. are pretty sure?
  • seanclaxseanclax Posts: 561
    damnaxe said:
    david1988 said:
    seanclax said:
    mcwillch said:
    take that are playing Malahide Dublin on 21st june so probably won’t be there on the 22nd
    It's gonna be marley park
    How's the transport there ? Was planning on Dublin but might skip it if its going to be a pain getting to and from 
    A pain in the ass. 

    There is a bus outside the park, but that'll be carnage. If you walk east for about 40 minutes you can reach the trams which go into the city (may be a park and ride option here for the gigs). I imagine private companies will run pre-booked shuttle buses to and fro the city centre, which is probably the option I'd take.
    Thanks if its not the 3 arena I'll probably skip it and do berlin instead 
    London and Berlin - 4 shows in 6 days I believe. Tough to beat that.  
    So you think london 28/29.6. and Berlin 2/3.7. are pretty sure?
    Yes. Nailed on I'd say 
  • seanclax said:
    damnaxe said:
    david1988 said:
    seanclax said:
    mcwillch said:
    take that are playing Malahide Dublin on 21st june so probably won’t be there on the 22nd
    It's gonna be marley park
    How's the transport there ? Was planning on Dublin but might skip it if its going to be a pain getting to and from 
    A pain in the ass. 

    There is a bus outside the park, but that'll be carnage. If you walk east for about 40 minutes you can reach the trams which go into the city (may be a park and ride option here for the gigs). I imagine private companies will run pre-booked shuttle buses to and fro the city centre, which is probably the option I'd take.
    Thanks if its not the 3 arena I'll probably skip it and do berlin instead 
    London and Berlin - 4 shows in 6 days I believe. Tough to beat that.  
    So you think london 28/29.6. and Berlin 2/3.7. are pretty sure?
    Yes. Nailed on I'd say 
    Nailed on indeed
  • raindog80raindog80 Posts: 1,175
    seanclax said:
    damnaxe said:
    david1988 said:
    seanclax said:
    mcwillch said:
    take that are playing Malahide Dublin on 21st june so probably won’t be there on the 22nd
    It's gonna be marley park
    How's the transport there ? Was planning on Dublin but might skip it if its going to be a pain getting to and from 
    A pain in the ass. 

    There is a bus outside the park, but that'll be carnage. If you walk east for about 40 minutes you can reach the trams which go into the city (may be a park and ride option here for the gigs). I imagine private companies will run pre-booked shuttle buses to and fro the city centre, which is probably the option I'd take.
    Thanks if its not the 3 arena I'll probably skip it and do berlin instead 
    London and Berlin - 4 shows in 6 days I believe. Tough to beat that.  
    So you think london 28/29.6. and Berlin 2/3.7. are pretty sure?
    Yes. Nailed on I'd say 
    Nailed on indeed
    Hi Mike McCready! 

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  • RyanRyan Posts: 1,117
    seanclax said:
    damnaxe said:
    david1988 said:
    seanclax said:
    mcwillch said:
    take that are playing Malahide Dublin on 21st june so probably won’t be there on the 22nd
    It's gonna be marley park
    How's the transport there ? Was planning on Dublin but might skip it if its going to be a pain getting to and from 
    A pain in the ass. 

    There is a bus outside the park, but that'll be carnage. If you walk east for about 40 minutes you can reach the trams which go into the city (may be a park and ride option here for the gigs). I imagine private companies will run pre-booked shuttle buses to and fro the city centre, which is probably the option I'd take.
    Thanks if its not the 3 arena I'll probably skip it and do berlin instead 
    London and Berlin - 4 shows in 6 days I believe. Tough to beat that.  
    So you think london 28/29.6. and Berlin 2/3.7. are pretty sure?
    Yes. Nailed on I'd say 
    Nailed on indeed
    Can you give us a hint on Amsterdam happening?
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  • matt84matt84 Posts: 744
    Ryan said:
    seanclax said:
    damnaxe said:
    david1988 said:
    seanclax said:
    mcwillch said:
    take that are playing Malahide Dublin on 21st june so probably won’t be there on the 22nd
    It's gonna be marley park
    How's the transport there ? Was planning on Dublin but might skip it if its going to be a pain getting to and from 
    A pain in the ass. 

    There is a bus outside the park, but that'll be carnage. If you walk east for about 40 minutes you can reach the trams which go into the city (may be a park and ride option here for the gigs). I imagine private companies will run pre-booked shuttle buses to and fro the city centre, which is probably the option I'd take.
    Thanks if its not the 3 arena I'll probably skip it and do berlin instead 
    London and Berlin - 4 shows in 6 days I believe. Tough to beat that.  
    So you think london 28/29.6. and Berlin 2/3.7. are pretty sure?
    Yes. Nailed on I'd say 
    Nailed on indeed
    Can you give us a hint on Amsterdam happening?
    Would love to know the same!
  • No news on Amsterdam sorry. 
  • Kearn5yKearn5y Posts: 2,879
    seanclax said:
    damnaxe said:
    david1988 said:
    seanclax said:
    mcwillch said:
    take that are playing Malahide Dublin on 21st june so probably won’t be there on the 22nd
    It's gonna be marley park
    How's the transport there ? Was planning on Dublin but might skip it if its going to be a pain getting to and from 
    A pain in the ass. 

    There is a bus outside the park, but that'll be carnage. If you walk east for about 40 minutes you can reach the trams which go into the city (may be a park and ride option here for the gigs). I imagine private companies will run pre-booked shuttle buses to and fro the city centre, which is probably the option I'd take.
    Thanks if its not the 3 arena I'll probably skip it and do berlin instead 
    London and Berlin - 4 shows in 6 days I believe. Tough to beat that.  
    So you think london 28/29.6. and Berlin 2/3.7. are pretty sure?
    Yes. Nailed on I'd say 
    Nailed on indeed
    Can I ask, is Marlay Park the venue for Dublin. Thanks in advance
    Kearnsy
  • RyanRyan Posts: 1,117
    No news on Amsterdam sorry. 
    Thanks!  Appreciate it.
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  • Venue Berlin, Wuhlheide, Waldbuhne or Mercedes-Benz Arena?


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  • JackD.JackD. Posts: 522
    Nd276802 said:
    Venue Berlin, Wuhlheide, Waldbuhne or Mercedes-Benz Arena?


    Best of them.
  • raindog80raindog80 Posts: 1,175
    seanclax said:
    damnaxe said:
    david1988 said:
    seanclax said:
    mcwillch said:
    take that are playing Malahide Dublin on 21st june so probably won’t be there on the 22nd
    It's gonna be marley park
    How's the transport there ? Was planning on Dublin but might skip it if its going to be a pain getting to and from 
    A pain in the ass. 

    There is a bus outside the park, but that'll be carnage. If you walk east for about 40 minutes you can reach the trams which go into the city (may be a park and ride option here for the gigs). I imagine private companies will run pre-booked shuttle buses to and fro the city centre, which is probably the option I'd take.
    Thanks if its not the 3 arena I'll probably skip it and do berlin instead 
    London and Berlin - 4 shows in 6 days I believe. Tough to beat that.  
    So you think london 28/29.6. and Berlin 2/3.7. are pretty sure?
    Yes. Nailed on I'd say 
    Nailed on indeed
    News on Italy? 
    "I like beautiful melodies telling me terrible things" - Tom Waits
    pearljamonline.it
  • raindog80raindog80 Posts: 1,175
    JackD. said:
    Nd276802 said:
    Venue Berlin, Wuhlheide, Waldbuhne or Mercedes-Benz Arena?


    Best of them.
    News for Italy? 
    "I like beautiful melodies telling me terrible things" - Tom Waits
    pearljamonline.it
  • tino_11tino_11 Posts: 2,127
    Kearn5y said:
    seanclax said:
    damnaxe said:
    david1988 said:
    seanclax said:
    mcwillch said:
    take that are playing Malahide Dublin on 21st june so probably won’t be there on the 22nd
    It's gonna be marley park
    How's the transport there ? Was planning on Dublin but might skip it if its going to be a pain getting to and from 
    A pain in the ass. 

    There is a bus outside the park, but that'll be carnage. If you walk east for about 40 minutes you can reach the trams which go into the city (may be a park and ride option here for the gigs). I imagine private companies will run pre-booked shuttle buses to and fro the city centre, which is probably the option I'd take.
    Thanks if its not the 3 arena I'll probably skip it and do berlin instead 
    London and Berlin - 4 shows in 6 days I believe. Tough to beat that.  
    So you think london 28/29.6. and Berlin 2/3.7. are pretty sure?
    Yes. Nailed on I'd say 
    Nailed on indeed
    Can I ask, is Marlay Park the venue for Dublin. Thanks in advance
    That's been strongly indicated by Facemeltor previously
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  • JackD.JackD. Posts: 522
    seanclax said:
    damnaxe said:
    david1988 said:
    seanclax said:
    mcwillch said:
    take that are playing Malahide Dublin on 21st june so probably won’t be there on the 22nd
    It's gonna be marley park
    How's the transport there ? Was planning on Dublin but might skip it if its going to be a pain getting to and from 
    A pain in the ass. 

    There is a bus outside the park, but that'll be carnage. If you walk east for about 40 minutes you can reach the trams which go into the city (may be a park and ride option here for the gigs). I imagine private companies will run pre-booked shuttle buses to and fro the city centre, which is probably the option I'd take.
    Thanks if its not the 3 arena I'll probably skip it and do berlin instead 
    London and Berlin - 4 shows in 6 days I believe. Tough to beat that.  
    So you think london 28/29.6. and Berlin 2/3.7. are pretty sure?
    Yes. Nailed on I'd say 
    Nailed on indeed
    That‘s interesting.
  • raindog80 said:
    JackD. said:
    Nd276802 said:
    Venue Berlin, Wuhlheide, Waldbuhne or Mercedes-Benz Arena?


    Best of them.
    News for Italy? 
    No news. 

    If I was a betting person I would guess they added the two festivals on the end and the announcement is coming Dec 11 10am GMT. Until then there is really nothing else for me to say. 


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