The Official 2024 TOUR Thread

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  • raindog80 said:
    JackD. said:
    Nd276802 said:
    Venue Berlin, Wuhlheide, Waldbuhne or Mercedes-Benz Arena?


    Best of them.
    News for Italy? 
    No news. 

    If I was a betting person I would guess they added the two festivals on the end and the announcement is coming Dec 11 10am GMT. Until then there is really nothing else for me to say. 


    Thanks as always!!
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    2000: Virginia Beach, VA (8/3), Saratoga Springs, NY (8/27), Mansfield, MA (8/29 and 8/30)
    2003: Albany, NY (4/29), Mansfield, MA (7/2 and 7/3), New York, NY (7/8 and 7/9)
    2006: Hartford, CT (5/23), Boston, MA (5/24 and 5/25)
    2009: Chicago, IL (8/23 and 8/24)
    2010: Boston, MA (5/17)
    2011: East Troy, WI (9/3 and 9/4)
    2013: Worcester, MA (10/15 and 10/16), Hartford, CT (10/25)
    2016: Boston, MA (8/5 and 8/7)
    2018: Boston, MA (9/2 and 9/4)
    2022: Camden, NJ (9/14)
    2024: Boston, MA (9/15 and 9/17)
  • Kearn5yKearn5y Posts: 2,879
    tino_11 said:
    Kearn5y said:
    seanclax said:
    damnaxe said:
    david1988 said:
    seanclax said:
    mcwillch said:
    take that are playing Malahide Dublin on 21st june so probably won’t be there on the 22nd
    It's gonna be marley park
    How's the transport there ? Was planning on Dublin but might skip it if its going to be a pain getting to and from 
    A pain in the ass. 

    There is a bus outside the park, but that'll be carnage. If you walk east for about 40 minutes you can reach the trams which go into the city (may be a park and ride option here for the gigs). I imagine private companies will run pre-booked shuttle buses to and fro the city centre, which is probably the option I'd take.
    Thanks if its not the 3 arena I'll probably skip it and do berlin instead 
    London and Berlin - 4 shows in 6 days I believe. Tough to beat that.  
    So you think london 28/29.6. and Berlin 2/3.7. are pretty sure?
    Yes. Nailed on I'd say 
    Nailed on indeed
    Can I ask, is Marlay Park the venue for Dublin. Thanks in advance
    That's been strongly indicated by Facemeltor previously
    Great stuff
    Kearnsy
  • Zen23Zen23 Posts: 470
    edited December 2023
    seanclax said:
    damnaxe said:
    david1988 said:
    seanclax said:
    mcwillch said:
    take that are playing Malahide Dublin on 21st june so probably won’t be there on the 22nd
    It's gonna be marley park
    How's the transport there ? Was planning on Dublin but might skip it if its going to be a pain getting to and from 
    A pain in the ass. 

    There is a bus outside the park, but that'll be carnage. If you walk east for about 40 minutes you can reach the trams which go into the city (may be a park and ride option here for the gigs). I imagine private companies will run pre-booked shuttle buses to and fro the city centre, which is probably the option I'd take.
    Thanks if its not the 3 arena I'll probably skip it and do berlin instead 
    London and Berlin - 4 shows in 6 days I believe. Tough to beat that.  
    So you think london 28/29.6. and Berlin 2/3.7. are pretty sure?
    Yes. Nailed on I'd say 
    Nailed on indeed


    If you had to guess. Which stage has the most nails?

    1. Waldbühne
    2. Mercedes Benz Arena
    3. Wuhlheide

  • Is Philly gonna be at Wells Fargo or CBP?
  • raindog80raindog80 Posts: 1,175
    edited December 2023
    raindog80 said:
    JackD. said:
    Nd276802 said:
    Venue Berlin, Wuhlheide, Waldbuhne or Mercedes-Benz Arena?


    Best of them.
    News for Italy? 
    No news. 

    If I was a betting person I would guess they added the two festivals on the end and the announcement is coming Dec 11 10am GMT. Until then there is really nothing else for me to say. 


    Thanks. So no Italy in 2024 based on your sources, right?
    Two festivals: Mad Cool & Nos Alive, right? 
    "I like beautiful melodies telling me terrible things" - Tom Waits
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  • D-RodD-Rod Posts: 1,845
    raindog80 said:
    JackD. said:
    Nd276802 said:
    Venue Berlin, Wuhlheide, Waldbuhne or Mercedes-Benz Arena?


    Best of them.
    News for Italy? 
    No news. 

    If I was a betting person I would guess they added the two festivals on the end and the announcement is coming Dec 11 10am GMT. Until then there is really nothing else for me to say. 


    BOOM!!!!!!!!! The bomb has been dropped. 
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    2005.....Hamilton
    2011.....Toronto N1, Toronto N2, Hamilton
    2013.....London, Buffalo
    2014.....Detroit
    2016.....Toronto N1 Toronto N2, Boston  N1, Boston N2, Chicago N1
    2018.....Seattle N1, Seattle N2
    2022.....San Diego, Los Angeles N1, Los Angeles N2, Phoenix, Oakland N1, Oakland N2, Quebec City, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto  
    2023.....Fort Worth N1, Fort Worth N2, Austin N1, Austin N2
    2024.....Las Vegas N1, Las Vegas N2, Los Angeles N1, Los Angeles N2, Boston N1, Boston N2
    2025.....????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
  • raindog80 said:
    JackD. said:
    Nd276802 said:
    Venue Berlin, Wuhlheide, Waldbuhne or Mercedes-Benz Arena?


    Best of them.
    News for Italy? 
    No news. 

    If I was a betting person I would guess they added the two festivals on the end and the announcement is coming Dec 11 10am GMT. Until then there is really nothing else for me to say. 


    Oh damn!
    "A smart monkey doesn't monkey around with another monkey's monkey" - Darwin's Theory
  • Weston1283Weston1283 Posts: 4,858
    Nice!
    2010: Cleveland
    2012: Atlanta
    2013: London ONT / Wrigley Field / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / San Diego / Los Angeles I / Los Angeles II
    2014: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Detroit / Denver
    2015: New York City
    2016: Ft. Lauderdale / Miami / Jacksonville / Greenville / Hampton / Columbia / Lexington / Philly II / New York City II / Toronto II / Bonnaroo / Telluride / Fenway I / Wrigley I / Wrigley - II / TOTD - Philadelphia, San Francisco
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    2018: Amsterdam I / Amsterdam II / Seattle I / Seattle II / Boston I / Boston II
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    2023: St. Paul II
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  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,925
    D-Rod said:
    raindog80 said:
    JackD. said:
    Nd276802 said:
    Venue Berlin, Wuhlheide, Waldbuhne or Mercedes-Benz Arena?


    Best of them.
    News for Italy? 
    No news. 

    If I was a betting person I would guess they added the two festivals on the end and the announcement is coming Dec 11 10am GMT. Until then there is really nothing else for me to say. 


    BOOM!!!!!!!!! The bomb has been dropped. 
    So now we think Facemeltor is Kenneth Gaspar and not Mike McCready (or his dog groomer)?

     =) 
    This weekend we rock Portland
  • raindog80 said:
    raindog80 said:
    JackD. said:
    Nd276802 said:
    Venue Berlin, Wuhlheide, Waldbuhne or Mercedes-Benz Arena?


    Best of them.
    News for Italy? 
    No news. 

    If I was a betting person I would guess they added the two festivals on the end and the announcement is coming Dec 11 10am GMT. Until then there is really nothing else for me to say. 


    Thanks. So no Italy in 2024 based on your sources, right?
    Two festivals: Mad Cool & Nos Alive, right? 
    I have no info on any of that. I am just guessing along with everyone else on the announcement time. It could very will be wrong. 
  • seanclaxseanclax Posts: 561
    seanclax said:
    damnaxe said:
    david1988 said:
    seanclax said:
    mcwillch said:
    take that are playing Malahide Dublin on 21st june so probably won’t be there on the 22nd
    It's gonna be marley park
    How's the transport there ? Was planning on Dublin but might skip it if its going to be a pain getting to and from 
    A pain in the ass. 

    There is a bus outside the park, but that'll be carnage. If you walk east for about 40 minutes you can reach the trams which go into the city (may be a park and ride option here for the gigs). I imagine private companies will run pre-booked shuttle buses to and fro the city centre, which is probably the option I'd take.
    Thanks if its not the 3 arena I'll probably skip it and do berlin instead 
    London and Berlin - 4 shows in 6 days I believe. Tough to beat that.  
    So you think london 28/29.6. and Berlin 2/3.7. are pretty sure?
    Yes. Nailed on I'd say 
    Nailed on indeed
    🤩
  • david1988 said:
    seanclax said:
    mcwillch said:
    take that are playing Malahide Dublin on 21st june so probably won’t be there on the 22nd
    It's gonna be marley park
    How's the transport there ? Was planning on Dublin but might skip it if its going to be a pain getting to and from 
    A pain in the ass. 

    There is a bus outside the park, but that'll be carnage. If you walk east for about 40 minutes you can reach the trams which go into the city (may be a park and ride option here for the gigs). I imagine private companies will run pre-booked shuttle buses to and fro the city centre, which is probably the option I'd take.
    Thanks if its not the 3 arena I'll probably skip it and do berlin instead 
    London and Berlin - 4 shows in 6 days I believe. Tough to beat that.  
     I Kinda disagree on that ..u can do same shows ,same days with better combo
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    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
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  • Updated -

    Does ayone know of any publicly shared info on potential venues for leg 1 that i may have missed? I marked down MGM and Climate Pledge as they seemed like the only/most logical choices.
    "A smart monkey doesn't monkey around with another monkey's monkey" - Darwin's Theory
  • david1988 said:
    seanclax said:
    mcwillch said:
    take that are playing Malahide Dublin on 21st june so probably won’t be there on the 22nd
    It's gonna be marley park
    How's the transport there ? Was planning on Dublin but might skip it if its going to be a pain getting to and from 
    A pain in the ass. 

    There is a bus outside the park, but that'll be carnage. If you walk east for about 40 minutes you can reach the trams which go into the city (may be a park and ride option here for the gigs). I imagine private companies will run pre-booked shuttle buses to and fro the city centre, which is probably the option I'd take.
    Thanks if its not the 3 arena I'll probably skip it and do berlin instead 
    London and Berlin - 4 shows in 6 days I believe. Tough to beat that.  
     I Kinda disagree on that ..u can do same shows ,same days with better combo
    Vegas & LA?
    "A smart monkey doesn't monkey around with another monkey's monkey" - Darwin's Theory
  • drfoxdrfox Posts: 1,330
    david1988 said:
    seanclax said:
    mcwillch said:
    take that are playing Malahide Dublin on 21st june so probably won’t be there on the 22nd
    It's gonna be marley park
    How's the transport there ? Was planning on Dublin but might skip it if its going to be a pain getting to and from 
    A pain in the ass. 

    There is a bus outside the park, but that'll be carnage. If you walk east for about 40 minutes you can reach the trams which go into the city (may be a park and ride option here for the gigs). I imagine private companies will run pre-booked shuttle buses to and fro the city centre, which is probably the option I'd take.
    Thanks if its not the 3 arena I'll probably skip it and do berlin instead 
    London and Berlin - 4 shows in 6 days I believe. Tough to beat that.  
     I Kinda disagree on that ..u can do same shows ,same days with better combo
    Wow, our date guesses cannot be right then.
  • just_onejust_one Posts: 2,172
    david1988 said:
    seanclax said:
    mcwillch said:
    take that are playing Malahide Dublin on 21st june so probably won’t be there on the 22nd
    It's gonna be marley park
    How's the transport there ? Was planning on Dublin but might skip it if its going to be a pain getting to and from 
    A pain in the ass. 

    There is a bus outside the park, but that'll be carnage. If you walk east for about 40 minutes you can reach the trams which go into the city (may be a park and ride option here for the gigs). I imagine private companies will run pre-booked shuttle buses to and fro the city centre, which is probably the option I'd take.
    Thanks if its not the 3 arena I'll probably skip it and do berlin instead 
    London and Berlin - 4 shows in 6 days I believe. Tough to beat that.  
     I Kinda disagree on that ..u can do same shows ,same days with better combo
    Also berlin in june/july is gonna be expensive expensive because of the euro cup.
  • drfoxdrfox Posts: 1,330
    david1988 said:
    seanclax said:
    mcwillch said:
    take that are playing Malahide Dublin on 21st june so probably won’t be there on the 22nd
    It's gonna be marley park
    How's the transport there ? Was planning on Dublin but might skip it if its going to be a pain getting to and from 
    A pain in the ass. 

    There is a bus outside the park, but that'll be carnage. If you walk east for about 40 minutes you can reach the trams which go into the city (may be a park and ride option here for the gigs). I imagine private companies will run pre-booked shuttle buses to and fro the city centre, which is probably the option I'd take.
    Thanks if its not the 3 arena I'll probably skip it and do berlin instead 
    London and Berlin - 4 shows in 6 days I believe. Tough to beat that.  
     I Kinda disagree on that ..u can do same shows ,same days with better combo
    Were you talking about the Euro tour or including the US as well?
  • david1988 said:
    seanclax said:
    mcwillch said:
    take that are playing Malahide Dublin on 21st june so probably won’t be there on the 22nd
    It's gonna be marley park
    How's the transport there ? Was planning on Dublin but might skip it if its going to be a pain getting to and from 
    A pain in the ass. 

    There is a bus outside the park, but that'll be carnage. If you walk east for about 40 minutes you can reach the trams which go into the city (may be a park and ride option here for the gigs). I imagine private companies will run pre-booked shuttle buses to and fro the city centre, which is probably the option I'd take.
    Thanks if its not the 3 arena I'll probably skip it and do berlin instead 
    London and Berlin - 4 shows in 6 days I believe. Tough to beat that.  
     I Kinda disagree on that ..u can do same shows ,same days with better combo
    Other dates not speculated on then cause I can't see 4 in 6 in Europe from the rumoured dates or am I missing something?
  • JackD.JackD. Posts: 522
    drfox said:
    david1988 said:
    seanclax said:
    mcwillch said:
    take that are playing Malahide Dublin on 21st june so probably won’t be there on the 22nd
    It's gonna be marley park
    How's the transport there ? Was planning on Dublin but might skip it if its going to be a pain getting to and from 
    A pain in the ass. 

    There is a bus outside the park, but that'll be carnage. If you walk east for about 40 minutes you can reach the trams which go into the city (may be a park and ride option here for the gigs). I imagine private companies will run pre-booked shuttle buses to and fro the city centre, which is probably the option I'd take.
    Thanks if its not the 3 arena I'll probably skip it and do berlin instead 
    London and Berlin - 4 shows in 6 days I believe. Tough to beat that.  
     I Kinda disagree on that ..u can do same shows ,same days with better combo
    Wow, our date guesses cannot be right then.
    Barca 6/7?
  • RyanRyan Posts: 1,117
    david1988 said:
    seanclax said:
    mcwillch said:
    take that are playing Malahide Dublin on 21st june so probably won’t be there on the 22nd
    It's gonna be marley park
    How's the transport there ? Was planning on Dublin but might skip it if its going to be a pain getting to and from 
    A pain in the ass. 

    There is a bus outside the park, but that'll be carnage. If you walk east for about 40 minutes you can reach the trams which go into the city (may be a park and ride option here for the gigs). I imagine private companies will run pre-booked shuttle buses to and fro the city centre, which is probably the option I'd take.
    Thanks if its not the 3 arena I'll probably skip it and do berlin instead 
    London and Berlin - 4 shows in 6 days I believe. Tough to beat that.  
     I Kinda disagree on that ..u can do same shows ,same days with better combo
    Probably Berlin and Barcelona.
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    2009 - Aug 21 Toronto, Aug 23/24 Chicago, Sept 21/22 Seattle, Oct 27/28/30/31 Philadelphia
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  • drfox said:
    david1988 said:
    seanclax said:
    mcwillch said:
    take that are playing Malahide Dublin on 21st june so probably won’t be there on the 22nd
    It's gonna be marley park
    How's the transport there ? Was planning on Dublin but might skip it if its going to be a pain getting to and from 
    A pain in the ass. 

    There is a bus outside the park, but that'll be carnage. If you walk east for about 40 minutes you can reach the trams which go into the city (may be a park and ride option here for the gigs). I imagine private companies will run pre-booked shuttle buses to and fro the city centre, which is probably the option I'd take.
    Thanks if its not the 3 arena I'll probably skip it and do berlin instead 
    London and Berlin - 4 shows in 6 days I believe. Tough to beat that.  
     I Kinda disagree on that ..u can do same shows ,same days with better combo
    Wow, our date guesses cannot be right then.
    Or there is an extra show in there somewhere. (i.e. between Vancouver and Portland or something similar)
    "A smart monkey doesn't monkey around with another monkey's monkey" - Darwin's Theory
  • mrk2mrk2 Posts: 2,067
    just_one said:
    david1988 said:
    seanclax said:
    mcwillch said:
    take that are playing Malahide Dublin on 21st june so probably won’t be there on the 22nd
    It's gonna be marley park
    How's the transport there ? Was planning on Dublin but might skip it if its going to be a pain getting to and from 
    A pain in the ass. 

    There is a bus outside the park, but that'll be carnage. If you walk east for about 40 minutes you can reach the trams which go into the city (may be a park and ride option here for the gigs). I imagine private companies will run pre-booked shuttle buses to and fro the city centre, which is probably the option I'd take.
    Thanks if its not the 3 arena I'll probably skip it and do berlin instead 
    London and Berlin - 4 shows in 6 days I believe. Tough to beat that.  
     I Kinda disagree on that ..u can do same shows ,same days with better combo
    Also berlin in june/july is gonna be expensive expensive because of the euro cup.
    Hotel prices don't seem too bad for the rumoured days (compared to usual Berlin in the summer prices). I think it's time to make some refundable bookings... just in case
    225xxx - 6/28/00, 10/20/01, 10/22/01, 9/11/06, 9/22/06, 9/23/06, 6/18/07, 6/26/07, 8/15/09, 6/25/10, 6/30/10, 7/4/12, 7/5/12, 7/7/12, 7/10/12, 6/26/14, 6/28/14, 7/3/18, 7/5/18
  • Jamer196Jamer196 Posts: 376
    mrk2 said:
    just_one said:
    david1988 said:
    seanclax said:
    mcwillch said:
    take that are playing Malahide Dublin on 21st june so probably won’t be there on the 22nd
    It's gonna be marley park
    How's the transport there ? Was planning on Dublin but might skip it if its going to be a pain getting to and from 
    A pain in the ass. 

    There is a bus outside the park, but that'll be carnage. If you walk east for about 40 minutes you can reach the trams which go into the city (may be a park and ride option here for the gigs). I imagine private companies will run pre-booked shuttle buses to and fro the city centre, which is probably the option I'd take.
    Thanks if its not the 3 arena I'll probably skip it and do berlin instead 
    London and Berlin - 4 shows in 6 days I believe. Tough to beat that.  
     I Kinda disagree on that ..u can do same shows ,same days with better combo
    Also berlin in june/july is gonna be expensive expensive because of the euro cup.
    Hotel prices don't seem too bad for the rumoured days (compared to usual Berlin in the summer prices). I think it's time to make some refundable bookings... just in case
    Flights are super expensive ... at least from Lisbon
  • mrk2mrk2 Posts: 2,067
    I think Dimi's "better combo" refers to Berlin + Barcelona. Same amount of shows + same amount of days.
    225xxx - 6/28/00, 10/20/01, 10/22/01, 9/11/06, 9/22/06, 9/23/06, 6/18/07, 6/26/07, 8/15/09, 6/25/10, 6/30/10, 7/4/12, 7/5/12, 7/7/12, 7/10/12, 6/26/14, 6/28/14, 7/3/18, 7/5/18
  • drfoxdrfox Posts: 1,330
    JackD. said:
    drfox said:
    david1988 said:
    seanclax said:
    mcwillch said:
    take that are playing Malahide Dublin on 21st june so probably won’t be there on the 22nd
    It's gonna be marley park
    How's the transport there ? Was planning on Dublin but might skip it if its going to be a pain getting to and from 
    A pain in the ass. 

    There is a bus outside the park, but that'll be carnage. If you walk east for about 40 minutes you can reach the trams which go into the city (may be a park and ride option here for the gigs). I imagine private companies will run pre-booked shuttle buses to and fro the city centre, which is probably the option I'd take.
    Thanks if its not the 3 arena I'll probably skip it and do berlin instead 
    London and Berlin - 4 shows in 6 days I believe. Tough to beat that.  
     I Kinda disagree on that ..u can do same shows ,same days with better combo
    Wow, our date guesses cannot be right then.
    Barca 6/7?
    Agree. Wonder if Barca is two dates from 5-7th or if Manchester gets a second show.
  • mrk2 said:
    I think Dimi's "better combo" refers to Berlin + Barcelona. Same amount of shows + same amount of days.
    Is that not 7 days ?
  • mrk2 said:
    I think Dimi's "better combo" refers to Berlin + Barcelona. Same amount of shows + same amount of days.
    Is that not 7 days ?
     are u gonna teach Math to Greeks now?..hehehehe..cheers
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    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • raindog80raindog80 Posts: 1,175
    raindog80 said:
    raindog80 said:
    JackD. said:
    Nd276802 said:
    Venue Berlin, Wuhlheide, Waldbuhne or Mercedes-Benz Arena?


    Best of them.
    News for Italy? 
    No news. 

    If I was a betting person I would guess they added the two festivals on the end and the announcement is coming Dec 11 10am GMT. Until then there is really nothing else for me to say. 


    Thanks. So no Italy in 2024 based on your sources, right?
    Two festivals: Mad Cool & Nos Alive, right? 
    I have no info on any of that. I am just guessing along with everyone else on the announcement time. It could very will be wrong. 
    Thanks for your reply. 
    "I like beautiful melodies telling me terrible things" - Tom Waits
    pearljamonline.it
  • seanclaxseanclax Posts: 561
    david1988 said:
    seanclax said:
    mcwillch said:
    take that are playing Malahide Dublin on 21st june so probably won’t be there on the 22nd
    It's gonna be marley park
    How's the transport there ? Was planning on Dublin but might skip it if its going to be a pain getting to and from 
    A pain in the ass. 

    There is a bus outside the park, but that'll be carnage. If you walk east for about 40 minutes you can reach the trams which go into the city (may be a park and ride option here for the gigs). I imagine private companies will run pre-booked shuttle buses to and fro the city centre, which is probably the option I'd take.
    Thanks if its not the 3 arena I'll probably skip it and do berlin instead 
    London and Berlin - 4 shows in 6 days I believe. Tough to beat that.  
     I Kinda disagree on that ..u can do same shows ,same days with better combo
    If your coming from America that's a pretty easy itinerary 
  • mrk2 said:
    I think Dimi's "better combo" refers to Berlin + Barcelona. Same amount of shows + same amount of days.
    Is that not 7 days ?
     are u gonna teach Math to Greeks now?..hehehehe..cheers
    I'll take your word for it big guy 
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