Democrats

gimmesometruth27

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

I asked someone before recently, but I cannot find that post...new forum/old user....makes it difficult!

Anyhow - I'd really like to know

1) What are some of the things that the Democratic party are doing today that they should stop doing?  
2) What are some of the things that the Democratic party isn't doing today that they should start doing?
3) When trying to win national elections, what issues/behaviors, etc of some of the more extreme liberals in the US (both online and in person) are hurting the Democratic party from winning big state and national elections?

I haven't voted for a single R since probably the election before the 2016 presidential election in any way (local, state, national)....I honestly thought back in 2016 that if people like me would vote against trump and the GOP during the MAGA takeover that it was a good sign that it wouldn't happen.  But it did.  So, in your opinion, what's the playbook to try and change this around?

my opinion...wait it out

I feel like trump is such a cult like figure we are trapped until he is no longer relevant. That base will not leave him regardless of what disgusting behavior or criminal activity he is involved in.

It wouldn't hurt to fight back a bit. I love the idea of CA, NY, IL, etc., gerrymandering to offset the bullshit that TX is doing. Time to stop playing nice.

if texas redistricts now, blue states must do the same. trump says texas and the gop are "entitled" to 5 more gop seats in texas. if that is the case, the dems, as the minority party, are entitled to find 20 seats in blue states. hopefully california, MA, IL, NY, and a few others will redistrict because fuck the cheating gop.

Merkin Baller

Tim Simmons said:

Tim Simmons said:

the challenge for Dems is trying to look less elitist. Which is really tough in the face of opposing party that gets crueler and dumber. The natural inclination is to look responsible and have a hand on the wheel. It’s a difficult needle to thread, especially now when culture wars are candy to the public and just standing up for people’s rights and trying to be empathetic is seen as weak and out of touch. 

This also gets to the heart of my issues with a lot of centrism. Right now, embracing centrism concedes a lot of ground to an extreme party and moves the Overton window. 

We are forced to have these debates on disingenuous grounds with bad actors. I’ve made the joke in the past “we can have a little bit of fascism/racism”, but that’s essentially where some are arguing is the point we need to start at. Hell on a federal level that IS where we are at. 

"'Meet me in the middle' the unjust man says. 

You step towards him, he steps away.

'Meet me in the middle' he tells you again"

cincybearcat

Tim Simmons said:

People want to feel taken care of. Dems need to embrace more policies that do that. Sell them not only generally and simply, but sincerely. 

Boilerplate progressive policies are actually popular among americans

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/working-class-and-college-educated-voters-want-new-progressive-economic-policies/

the challenge for Dems is trying to look less elitist. Which is really tough in the face of opposing party that gets crueler and dumber. The natural inclination is to look responsible and have a hand on the wheel. It’s a difficult needle to thread, especially now when culture wars are candy to the public and just standing up for people’s rights and trying to be empathetic is seen as weak and out of touch. 

Interesting.  I found it kinda weird that I was only in line with the majority on 3/5 of those items as well.  Thanks for sharing.

cincybearcat

Merkin Baller said:

Tim Simmons said:

Tim Simmons said:

the challenge for Dems is trying to look less elitist. Which is really tough in the face of opposing party that gets crueler and dumber. The natural inclination is to look responsible and have a hand on the wheel. It’s a difficult needle to thread, especially now when culture wars are candy to the public and just standing up for people’s rights and trying to be empathetic is seen as weak and out of touch. 

This also gets to the heart of my issues with a lot of centrism. Right now, embracing centrism concedes a lot of ground to an extreme party and moves the Overton window. 

We are forced to have these debates on disingenuous grounds with bad actors. I’ve made the joke in the past “we can have a little bit of fascism/racism”, but that’s essentially where some are arguing is the point we need to start at. Hell on a federal level that IS where we are at. 

"'Meet me in the middle' the unjust man says. 

You step towards him, he steps away.

'Meet me in the middle' he tells you again"

So....I kinda feel this way a bit with me and my relationship to the Dem party.  As I said I was a R for a long time.  Stopped voting for R's in 2016 on all levels.  Hmmm, as I type and think maybe it's not the same.  Maybe the D's have stayed put as I moved closer but the damn MAGA moving so far away on lot of the issues that it seems that way.  I don't know.  

cincybearcat

gimmesometruth27 said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

I asked someone before recently, but I cannot find that post...new forum/old user....makes it difficult!

Anyhow - I'd really like to know

1) What are some of the things that the Democratic party are doing today that they should stop doing?  
2) What are some of the things that the Democratic party isn't doing today that they should start doing?
3) When trying to win national elections, what issues/behaviors, etc of some of the more extreme liberals in the US (both online and in person) are hurting the Democratic party from winning big state and national elections?

I haven't voted for a single R since probably the election before the 2016 presidential election in any way (local, state, national)....I honestly thought back in 2016 that if people like me would vote against trump and the GOP during the MAGA takeover that it was a good sign that it wouldn't happen.  But it did.  So, in your opinion, what's the playbook to try and change this around?

my opinion...wait it out

I feel like trump is such a cult like figure we are trapped until he is no longer relevant. That base will not leave him regardless of what disgusting behavior or criminal activity he is involved in.

It wouldn't hurt to fight back a bit. I love the idea of CA, NY, IL, etc., gerrymandering to offset the bullshit that TX is doing. Time to stop playing nice.

if texas redistricts now, blue states must do the same. trump says texas and the gop are "entitled" to 5 more gop seats in texas. if that is the case, the dems, as the minority party, are entitled to find 20 seats in blue states. hopefully california, MA, IL, NY, and a few others will redistrict because fuck the cheating gop.

I really hate Gerrymandering.  I do think it makes sense to revisit maps as people move about, but obviously when the people in power have the power to ensure they can keep power or get more power....you get a bad product.

And while I would normally say 2 wrongs do not make a right...I feel like in this case, the D's have to respond.  

mickeyrat

cincybearcat said:

I asked someone before recently, but I cannot find that post...new forum/old user....makes it difficult!

Anyhow - I'd really like to know

1) What are some of the things that the Democratic party are doing today that they should stop doing?  
2) What are some of the things that the Democratic party isn't doing today that they should start doing?
3) When trying to win national elections, what issues/behaviors, etc of some of the more extreme liberals in the US (both online and in person) are hurting the Democratic party from winning big state and national elections?

I haven't voted for a single R since probably the election before the 2016 presidential election in any way (local, state, national)....I honestly thought back in 2016 that if people like me would vote against trump and the GOP during the MAGA takeover that it was a good sign that it wouldn't happen.  But it did.  So, in your opinion, what's the playbook to try and change this around?

ask those voters they took for granted whats up and listen. and found out from the 90 million or so who dont vote , why?

shecky

https://www.foxnews.com/media/charlamagne-stephen-a-smith-mock-harris-saying-system-broken-after-thriving-decades

"You've been an attorney, a state attorney general. You've been a prosecutor. You've been a senator. You've been a vice president. My God, you've been a part of it. And now you're saying it's broken? That means you couldn't do but so much to fix it when you was in it."

Truth.

Tim Simmons

I think it’s more in reference to the norms that have been shattered in the past year from the Supreme Court to now the executive branch. But yes, she certainly did t advocate to place more protections in place. 

Tim Simmons

cincybearcat said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

I asked someone before recently, but I cannot find that post...new forum/old user....makes it difficult!

Anyhow - I'd really like to know

1) What are some of the things that the Democratic party are doing today that they should stop doing?  
2) What are some of the things that the Democratic party isn't doing today that they should start doing?
3) When trying to win national elections, what issues/behaviors, etc of some of the more extreme liberals in the US (both online and in person) are hurting the Democratic party from winning big state and national elections?

I haven't voted for a single R since probably the election before the 2016 presidential election in any way (local, state, national)....I honestly thought back in 2016 that if people like me would vote against trump and the GOP during the MAGA takeover that it was a good sign that it wouldn't happen.  But it did.  So, in your opinion, what's the playbook to try and change this around?

my opinion...wait it out

I feel like trump is such a cult like figure we are trapped until he is no longer relevant. That base will not leave him regardless of what disgusting behavior or criminal activity he is involved in.

It wouldn't hurt to fight back a bit. I love the idea of CA, NY, IL, etc., gerrymandering to offset the bullshit that TX is doing. Time to stop playing nice.

if texas redistricts now, blue states must do the same. trump says texas and the gop are "entitled" to 5 more gop seats in texas. if that is the case, the dems, as the minority party, are entitled to find 20 seats in blue states. hopefully california, MA, IL, NY, and a few others will redistrict because fuck the cheating gop.

I really hate Gerrymandering.  I do think it makes sense to revisit maps as people move about, but obviously when the people in power have the power to ensure they can keep power or get more power.... 

Absolutely. It stops being the Will of the people and becomes the revised rules of the rulers. 

Electoral College needs to go too. 

Lerxst1992

Tim Simmons said:

cincybearcat said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

I asked someone before recently, but I cannot find that post...new forum/old user....makes it difficult!

Anyhow - I'd really like to know

1) What are some of the things that the Democratic party are doing today that they should stop doing?  
2) What are some of the things that the Democratic party isn't doing today that they should start doing?
3) When trying to win national elections, what issues/behaviors, etc of some of the more extreme liberals in the US (both online and in person) are hurting the Democratic party from winning big state and national elections?

I haven't voted for a single R since probably the election before the 2016 presidential election in any way (local, state, national)....I honestly thought back in 2016 that if people like me would vote against trump and the GOP during the MAGA takeover that it was a good sign that it wouldn't happen.  But it did.  So, in your opinion, what's the playbook to try and change this around?

my opinion...wait it out

I feel like trump is such a cult like figure we are trapped until he is no longer relevant. That base will not leave him regardless of what disgusting behavior or criminal activity he is involved in.

It wouldn't hurt to fight back a bit. I love the idea of CA, NY, IL, etc., gerrymandering to offset the bullshit that TX is doing. Time to stop playing nice.

if texas redistricts now, blue states must do the same. trump says texas and the gop are "entitled" to 5 more gop seats in texas. if that is the case, the dems, as the minority party, are entitled to find 20 seats in blue states. hopefully california, MA, IL, NY, and a few others will redistrict because fuck the cheating gop.

I really hate Gerrymandering.  I do think it makes sense to revisit maps as people move about, but obviously when the people in power have the power to ensure they can keep power or get more power.... 

Absolutely. It stops being the Will of the people and becomes the revised rules of the rulers. 

Electoral College needs to go too. 

Sure, but that’s not the reality we have. It’s staying unless 75% of states want it gone. Just like AMT moderating, it ain’t happening.

The house is about worthless. Can’t pass any new laws and it has zero say on scotus nominees, and the minority never cares about investigations , just like Dems now ignore the sleepy Joe investigations. Anyone know that’s a thing if shecky didn’t post about it?

The important prize is the senate, and as usual Dems have no plan for getting back those three red state seats lost and holding four swing seats. If they do, all we hear about is TX and Epstein stories.

and next census House will have ten seats sent from NY and CA to red states, a direct result of dem policies failing which create high COL which is sending young voters to red states and red party.

Tim Simmons

so what do they do to fix it? 

Tim Simmons

What bubbles to the top of the discourse isn’t zero sum with the stuff that’s not talked about (in the media or even here at AMT). I think it’s odd that you keep harping on that. 

Tim Simmons

Like, the Biden stuff IS happening

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/08/05/politics/house-probe-biden-mental-decline-reed

now I don’t think it’s in good faith and it is a purposeful distraction from ICE, Epstein, Economic issues and general ineptitude of the admin, but stuff will come out of it. 

But sorry it’s not the number 1 discussion here. 

tbergs

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

I asked someone before recently, but I cannot find that post...new forum/old user....makes it difficult!

Anyhow - I'd really like to know

1) What are some of the things that the Democratic party are doing today that they should stop doing?  
2) What are some of the things that the Democratic party isn't doing today that they should start doing?
3) When trying to win national elections, what issues/behaviors, etc of some of the more extreme liberals in the US (both online and in person) are hurting the Democratic party from winning big state and national elections?

I haven't voted for a single R since probably the election before the 2016 presidential election in any way (local, state, national)....I honestly thought back in 2016 that if people like me would vote against trump and the GOP during the MAGA takeover that it was a good sign that it wouldn't happen.  But it did.  So, in your opinion, what's the playbook to try and change this around?

my opinion...wait it out

I feel like trump is such a cult like figure we are trapped until he is no longer relevant. That base will not leave him regardless of what disgusting behavior or criminal activity he is involved in.

It wouldn't hurt to fight back a bit. I love the idea of CA, NY, IL, etc., gerrymandering to offset the bullshit that TX is doing. Time to stop playing nice.

Dems have already been gerrymandering in other states like AZ, NM, etc. We need a federal rule/law that doesn't allow the state legislature to pull these partisan stunts and fuck us all over. Some states have non-partisan groups in charge of redistricting.

Halifax2TheMax

Tim Simmons said:

Like, the Biden stuff IS happening

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/08/05/politics/house-probe-biden-mental-decline-reed

now I don’t think it’s in good faith and it is a purposeful distraction from ICE, Epstein, Economic issues and general ineptitude of the admin, but stuff will come out of it. 

But sorry it’s not the number 1 discussion here. 

I hope he pleads the 5th and tells the repub members on the committee to go fuck themselves.

I say that as someone who thinks that the rules shouldn’t apply to only one side. You, general you, want both sides are the same? Give it to them.

Halifax2TheMax

I’d also use my time before the committee to ask what they’re currently doing about the current demented CIC, pointing to all the recent rambling word salads COOTWH has given and pointing to his bloated cankles.

Tim Simmons

Halifax2TheMax said:

Tim Simmons said:

Like, the Biden stuff IS happening

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/08/05/politics/house-probe-biden-mental-decline-reed

now I don’t think it’s in good faith and it is a purposeful distraction from ICE, Epstein, Economic issues and general ineptitude of the admin, but stuff will come out of it. 

But sorry it’s not the number 1 discussion here. 

I hope he pleads the 5th and tells the repub members on the committee to go fuck themselves.

I say that as someone who thinks that the rules shouldn’t apply to only one side. You, general you, want both sides are the same? Give it to them.

Yes, in general I agree. Because this isn’t good faith and for too long Dems have stood by “The Norms”. It’s ok to say ‘fuck that’ when the other side doesn’t ever play by the Norms. 

Being the only Adult in the room only goes so far. 

Halifax2TheMax

Tim Simmons said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Tim Simmons said:

Like, the Biden stuff IS happening

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/08/05/politics/house-probe-biden-mental-decline-reed

now I don’t think it’s in good faith and it is a purposeful distraction from ICE, Epstein, Economic issues and general ineptitude of the admin, but stuff will come out of it. 

But sorry it’s not the number 1 discussion here. 

I hope he pleads the 5th and tells the repub members on the committee to go fuck themselves.

I say that as someone who thinks that the rules shouldn’t apply to only one side. You, general you, want both sides are the same? Give it to them.

Yes, in general I agree. Because this isn’t good faith and for too long Dems have stood by “The Norms”. It’s ok to say ‘fuck that’ when the other side doesn’t ever play by the Norms. 

Being the only Adult in the room only goes so far. 

And when criticized for taking the 5th, I would asked the esteemed members what or when they were concerned regarding the untold numbers of 5th pleadings by COOTWH and his complicit administration members, facilitators and cult members. I’d ask some congressional member to get an intern on that compilation.

Lerxst1992

Tim Simmons said:

What bubbles to the top of the discourse isn’t zero sum with the stuff that’s not talked about (in the media or even here at AMT). I think it’s odd that you keep harping on that. 

I think it’s odd all the usual hype that’s posted way more often than my centrist stuff is never complained about

Tim Simmons

Like what?