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Tim Simmons

no one wants Hamas. And it’s dumb that you think that if it isn’t posted then it isn’t canon. Maybe ask before just assuming. Fucking Christ. 

Tim Simmons

cincybearcat said:

The left shits in Trump for being an asshole to people thst do things he doesn’t like or decisions he doesn’t agree with. They call him a dictator when wh fires people.

they are right.

And the extreme left is the same.

seriously? 

Halifax2TheMax

Tim Simmons said:

cincybearcat said:

The left shits in Trump for being an asshole to people thst do things he doesn’t like or decisions he doesn’t agree with. They call him a dictator when wh fires people.

they are right.

And the extreme left is the same.

seriously? 

It’s how far down the rabbit hole a majority of folks have fallen. Both sides are the same. No difference. It’s part of the reason we’re fucked.

cincybearcat

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:

The left shits in Trump for being an asshole to people thst do things he doesn’t like or decisions he doesn’t agree with. They call him a dictator when wh fires people.

they are right.

And the extreme left is the same.

biden canned the bls commissioner when the jobs numbers were adjusted downward?

Biden the extreme left?  Nah.

cincybearcat

I should have been more clear. I was attempting to be by using extreme left. I’m not taking about the vast majority of the Democrats in Congress etc. Nor even likely the majority of people that think about voting Democrat.  Truly thinking about the extreme left general population….they throw people away as soon as they don’t fall in line with their beliefs 100% like MAGA does.  Look at everyone talking about Bill Maher now. 

I always said he was an egomaniac only cared about himself. People here loved him for speaking the “truth”. Now he is saying what they don’t like….and boom….cancel culture. I’m sick of the all or none, I’ve had to ignore so much to vote for Hillary, Joe and Kamala…others should be able to disagree agreeably…or whatever 

Gern Blansten

Still love Bill Maher...

Lerxst1992

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

stop saying ridiculous stuff to raise ire

22 nation Arab league has said it’s time for Hamas to go. I’ve not heard that opinion here.


do you see your bias? Do you see the comments I am replying to? 

You don’t attack those points, do you? They’re posted a hundred times a day here, fact free. AI and facts get mocked here. . I post a few comments, a tiny percentage to balance the hype,  and people get upset their safe space is invaded. The dem party has turned into maga left. That’s the real issue here.

There you go again making shit up. Who here has said Hamas needs to stay in Gaza or shows good leadership. No one. Hamas is bad oct 7 was terrible what is happening to Palestinians is awful

Hamas propoganda is spread on this forum seven days a week. But who do folks cry about? A centrist wanting Dems to be competitive and answer for their lies.

What Hamas propaganda is being spread daily? What lies are Dems telling?  Is the state of Israel destroying the Palestinian people, culture and ancestral homeland? 

Why are they so in love with the g word here and in extremes of dem party… that is being used for a people whose population has been growing for the 70 year-duration of that propaganda campaign? While their enemy’s population is inexplicably diminished?

“Well since it didn’t happen at the time period I designate, that genocide doesn’t count. The entirety of North America is settled upon a layer of genocide… that doesn’t count. Only the crimes between 1948 and now count, in this specific location.” That’s the propaganda pretzel you support. The road to peace is to understand the complexity of this problem and negotiate peace, something that Palestine has never supported.

so people like Hamas forget their enemy has an ancestral stake to the disputed lands (that existed before their religion was founded) and are undeniably the victims of thousands of years of genocide? Unless you are able to locate those two hundred million people thriving in Israel today?

propaganda works best when people don’t even realize it’s being used on them. Go…find those people. Help us.

Go Beavers

cincybearcat said:

I should have been more clear. I was attempting to be by using extreme left. I’m not taking about the vast majority of the Democrats in Congress etc. Nor even likely the majority of people that think about voting Democrat.  Truly thinking about the extreme left general population….they throw people away as soon as they don’t fall in line with their beliefs 100% like MAGA does.  Look at everyone talking about Bill Maher now. 

I always said he was an egomaniac only cared about himself. People here loved him for speaking the “truth”. Now he is saying what they don’t like….and boom….cancel culture. I’m sick of the all or none, I’ve had to ignore so much to vote for Hillary, Joe and Kamala…others should be able to disagree agreeably…or whatever 

Not sure who the “people here” are, but aren’t you just seeing people disagreeing with him, which is what you’re requesting? 

Halifax2TheMax

Lerxst1992 said:

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

stop saying ridiculous stuff to raise ire

22 nation Arab league has said it’s time for Hamas to go. I’ve not heard that opinion here.


do you see your bias? Do you see the comments I am replying to? 

You don’t attack those points, do you? They’re posted a hundred times a day here, fact free. AI and facts get mocked here. . I post a few comments, a tiny percentage to balance the hype,  and people get upset their safe space is invaded. The dem party has turned into maga left. That’s the real issue here.

There you go again making shit up. Who here has said Hamas needs to stay in Gaza or shows good leadership. No one. Hamas is bad oct 7 was terrible what is happening to Palestinians is awful

Hamas propoganda is spread on this forum seven days a week. But who do folks cry about? A centrist wanting Dems to be competitive and answer for their lies.

What Hamas propaganda is being spread daily? What lies are Dems telling?  Is the state of Israel destroying the Palestinian people, culture and ancestral homeland? 

Why are they so in love with the g word here and in extremes of dem party… that is being used for a people whose population has been growing for the 70 year-duration of that propaganda campaign? While their enemy’s population is inexplicably diminished?

“Well since it didn’t happen at the time period I designate, that genocide doesn’t count. The entirety of North America is settled upon a layer of genocide… that doesn’t count. Only the crimes between 1948 and now count, in this specific location.” That’s the propaganda pretzel you support. The road to peace is to understand the complexity of this problem and negotiate peace, something that Palestine has never supported.

so people like Hamas forget their enemy has an ancestral stake to the disputed lands (that existed before their religion was founded) and are undeniably the victims of thousands of years of genocide? Unless you are able to locate those two hundred million people thriving in Israel today?

propaganda works best when people don’t even realize it’s being used on them. Go…find those people. Help us.

There is an Israeli initiated and supported genocide happening right now in Gaza against the Palestinians. Full stop. No amount of your lame ass explanations of why it doesn’t matter will erase that. You’re pro genocide. SHAMEFUL and DISGUSTING.

mickeyrat

belongs in severall threads but will put here as the latest controversy about whats really a local election....

https://www.britannica.com/topic/intifada

Halifax2TheMax

Lerxst1992 said:

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

stop saying ridiculous stuff to raise ire

22 nation Arab league has said it’s time for Hamas to go. I’ve not heard that opinion here.


do you see your bias? Do you see the comments I am replying to? 

You don’t attack those points, do you? They’re posted a hundred times a day here, fact free. AI and facts get mocked here. . I post a few comments, a tiny percentage to balance the hype,  and people get upset their safe space is invaded. The dem party has turned into maga left. That’s the real issue here.

There you go again making shit up. Who here has said Hamas needs to stay in Gaza or shows good leadership. No one. Hamas is bad oct 7 was terrible what is happening to Palestinians is awful

Hamas propoganda is spread on this forum seven days a week. But who do folks cry about? A centrist wanting Dems to be competitive and answer for their lies.

What Hamas propaganda is being spread daily? What lies are Dems telling?  Is the state of Israel destroying the Palestinian people, culture and ancestral homeland? 

Why are they so in love with the g word here and in extremes of dem party… that is being used for a people whose population has been growing for the 70 year-duration of that propaganda campaign? While their enemy’s population is inexplicably diminished?

“Well since it didn’t happen at the time period I designate, that genocide doesn’t count. The entirety of North America is settled upon a layer of genocide… that doesn’t count. Only the crimes between 1948 and now count, in this specific location.” That’s the propaganda pretzel you support. The road to peace is to understand the complexity of this problem and negotiate peace, something that Palestine has never supported.

so people like Hamas forget their enemy has an ancestral stake to the disputed lands (that existed before their religion was founded) and are undeniably the victims of thousands of years of genocide? Unless you are able to locate those two hundred million people thriving in Israel today?

propaganda works best when people don’t even realize it’s being used on them. Go…find those people. Help us.

To the first bold, this is what AI told me:

AI Overview

This sounds like you're describing a specific propaganda campaign, likely related to a conflict where one side is accused of using a narrative of victimhood while their population is actually increasing, and simultaneously portraying the opposing side as diminished, which may not be accurate. This is a common tactic in propaganda, where narratives are manipulated to create a desired public perception of a conflict. 

Here's a breakdown of the elements: 

• Narrative of Victimhood:

  One side is portrayed as the victim, often facing existential threats or suffering great losses, even if their population numbers don't reflect this. 
• Population Growth:

  While the narrative of victimhood is being pushed, their population may be growing, or at least not diminishing as suggested. 
• Diminished Enemy:

  The opposing side's population may be exaggerated as being smaller than it is, or their losses may be emphasized, to further highlight the victimhood narrative. 
• Propaganda Campaign:

  This entire narrative is being actively promoted to shape public opinion and garner support. 

This kind of manipulation is often seen in conflicts where there is a strong emotional component. It's designed to rally support for one side and demonize the other, often regardless of the actual facts on the ground. 

If you have a specific conflict in mind, providing more details would help in analyzing the propaganda techniques being used.

Congratulations.

gimmesometruth27

what are your thoughts on the dems fleeing texas to keep them from redistricting and giving the gop 5 more seats in congress?

Lerxst1992

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

stop saying ridiculous stuff to raise ire

22 nation Arab league has said it’s time for Hamas to go. I’ve not heard that opinion here.


do you see your bias? Do you see the comments I am replying to? 

You don’t attack those points, do you? They’re posted a hundred times a day here, fact free. AI and facts get mocked here. . I post a few comments, a tiny percentage to balance the hype,  and people get upset their safe space is invaded. The dem party has turned into maga left. That’s the real issue here.

There you go again making shit up. Who here has said Hamas needs to stay in Gaza or shows good leadership. No one. Hamas is bad oct 7 was terrible what is happening to Palestinians is awful

Hamas propoganda is spread on this forum seven days a week. But who do folks cry about? A centrist wanting Dems to be competitive and answer for their lies.

What Hamas propaganda is being spread daily? What lies are Dems telling?  Is the state of Israel destroying the Palestinian people, culture and ancestral homeland? 

Why are they so in love with the g word here and in extremes of dem party… that is being used for a people whose population has been growing for the 70 year-duration of that propaganda campaign? While their enemy’s population is inexplicably diminished?

“Well since it didn’t happen at the time period I designate, that genocide doesn’t count. The entirety of North America is settled upon a layer of genocide… that doesn’t count. Only the crimes between 1948 and now count, in this specific location.” That’s the propaganda pretzel you support. The road to peace is to understand the complexity of this problem and negotiate peace, something that Palestine has never supported.

so people like Hamas forget their enemy has an ancestral stake to the disputed lands (that existed before their religion was founded) and are undeniably the victims of thousands of years of genocide? Unless you are able to locate those two hundred million people thriving in Israel today?

propaganda works best when people don’t even realize it’s being used on them. Go…find those people. Help us.

There is an Israeli initiated and supported genocide happening right now in Gaza against the Palestinians. Full stop. No amount of your lame ass explanations of why it doesn’t matter will erase that. You’re pro genocide. SHAMEFUL and DISGUSTING.

Usually it’s population wouldn’t grow, despite how many times you fully stop.

Lerxst1992

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

stop saying ridiculous stuff to raise ire

22 nation Arab league has said it’s time for Hamas to go. I’ve not heard that opinion here.


do you see your bias? Do you see the comments I am replying to? 

You don’t attack those points, do you? They’re posted a hundred times a day here, fact free. AI and facts get mocked here. . I post a few comments, a tiny percentage to balance the hype,  and people get upset their safe space is invaded. The dem party has turned into maga left. That’s the real issue here.

There you go again making shit up. Who here has said Hamas needs to stay in Gaza or shows good leadership. No one. Hamas is bad oct 7 was terrible what is happening to Palestinians is awful

Hamas propoganda is spread on this forum seven days a week. But who do folks cry about? A centrist wanting Dems to be competitive and answer for their lies.

What Hamas propaganda is being spread daily? What lies are Dems telling?  Is the state of Israel destroying the Palestinian people, culture and ancestral homeland? 

Why are they so in love with the g word here and in extremes of dem party… that is being used for a people whose population has been growing for the 70 year-duration of that propaganda campaign? While their enemy’s population is inexplicably diminished?

“Well since it didn’t happen at the time period I designate, that genocide doesn’t count. The entirety of North America is settled upon a layer of genocide… that doesn’t count. Only the crimes between 1948 and now count, in this specific location.” That’s the propaganda pretzel you support. The road to peace is to understand the complexity of this problem and negotiate peace, something that Palestine has never supported.

so people like Hamas forget their enemy has an ancestral stake to the disputed lands (that existed before their religion was founded) and are undeniably the victims of thousands of years of genocide? Unless you are able to locate those two hundred million people thriving in Israel today?

propaganda works best when people don’t even realize it’s being used on them. Go…find those people. Help us.

To the first bold, this is what AI told me:

AI Overview

This sounds like you're describing a specific propaganda campaign, likely related to a conflict where one side is accused of using a narrative of victimhood while their population is actually increasing, and simultaneously portraying the opposing side as diminished, which may not be accurate. This is a common tactic in propaganda, where narratives are manipulated to create a desired public perception of a conflict. 

Here's a breakdown of the elements: 

• Narrative of Victimhood:

  One side is portrayed as the victim, often facing existential threats or suffering great losses, even if their population numbers don't reflect this. 
• Population Growth:

  While the narrative of victimhood is being pushed, their population may be growing, or at least not diminishing as suggested. 
• Diminished Enemy:

  The opposing side's population may be exaggerated as being smaller than it is, or their losses may be emphasized, to further highlight the victimhood narrative. 
• Propaganda Campaign:

  This entire narrative is being actively promoted to shape public opinion and garner support. 

This kind of manipulation is often seen in conflicts where there is a strong emotional component. It's designed to rally support for one side and demonize the other, often regardless of the actual facts on the ground. 

If you have a specific conflict in mind, providing more details would help in analyzing the propaganda techniques being used.

Congratulations.

Great, so we are in agreement. Unless the genocide campaign is only occurring in one of the two Palestinian states.

AI Overview

Yes, the Palestinian population has been growing

Halifax2TheMax

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

stop saying ridiculous stuff to raise ire

22 nation Arab league has said it’s time for Hamas to go. I’ve not heard that opinion here.


do you see your bias? Do you see the comments I am replying to? 

You don’t attack those points, do you? They’re posted a hundred times a day here, fact free. AI and facts get mocked here. . I post a few comments, a tiny percentage to balance the hype,  and people get upset their safe space is invaded. The dem party has turned into maga left. That’s the real issue here.

There you go again making shit up. Who here has said Hamas needs to stay in Gaza or shows good leadership. No one. Hamas is bad oct 7 was terrible what is happening to Palestinians is awful

Hamas propoganda is spread on this forum seven days a week. But who do folks cry about? A centrist wanting Dems to be competitive and answer for their lies.

What Hamas propaganda is being spread daily? What lies are Dems telling?  Is the state of Israel destroying the Palestinian people, culture and ancestral homeland? 

Why are they so in love with the g word here and in extremes of dem party… that is being used for a people whose population has been growing for the 70 year-duration of that propaganda campaign? While their enemy’s population is inexplicably diminished?

“Well since it didn’t happen at the time period I designate, that genocide doesn’t count. The entirety of North America is settled upon a layer of genocide… that doesn’t count. Only the crimes between 1948 and now count, in this specific location.” That’s the propaganda pretzel you support. The road to peace is to understand the complexity of this problem and negotiate peace, something that Palestine has never supported.

so people like Hamas forget their enemy has an ancestral stake to the disputed lands (that existed before their religion was founded) and are undeniably the victims of thousands of years of genocide? Unless you are able to locate those two hundred million people thriving in Israel today?

propaganda works best when people don’t even realize it’s being used on them. Go…find those people. Help us.

To the first bold, this is what AI told me:

AI Overview

This sounds like you're describing a specific propaganda campaign, likely related to a conflict where one side is accused of using a narrative of victimhood while their population is actually increasing, and simultaneously portraying the opposing side as diminished, which may not be accurate. This is a common tactic in propaganda, where narratives are manipulated to create a desired public perception of a conflict. 

Here's a breakdown of the elements: 

• Narrative of Victimhood:

  One side is portrayed as the victim, often facing existential threats or suffering great losses, even if their population numbers don't reflect this. 
• Population Growth:

  While the narrative of victimhood is being pushed, their population may be growing, or at least not diminishing as suggested. 
• Diminished Enemy:

  The opposing side's population may be exaggerated as being smaller than it is, or their losses may be emphasized, to further highlight the victimhood narrative. 
• Propaganda Campaign:

  This entire narrative is being actively promoted to shape public opinion and garner support. 

This kind of manipulation is often seen in conflicts where there is a strong emotional component. It's designed to rally support for one side and demonize the other, often regardless of the actual facts on the ground. 

If you have a specific conflict in mind, providing more details would help in analyzing the propaganda techniques being used.

Congratulations.

Great, so we are in agreement. Unless the genocide campaign is only occurring in one of the two Palestinian states.

AI Overview

Yes, the Palestinian population has been growing

Such a naive view from a genocide denialist.

cincybearcat

I asked someone before recently, but I cannot find that post...new forum/old user....makes it difficult!

Anyhow - I'd really like to know

1) What are some of the things that the Democratic party are doing today that they should stop doing?  
2) What are some of the things that the Democratic party isn't doing today that they should start doing?
3) When trying to win national elections, what issues/behaviors, etc of some of the more extreme liberals in the US (both online and in person) are hurting the Democratic party from winning big state and national elections?

I haven't voted for a single R since probably the election before the 2016 presidential election in any way (local, state, national)....I honestly thought back in 2016 that if people like me would vote against trump and the GOP during the MAGA takeover that it was a good sign that it wouldn't happen.  But it did.  So, in your opinion, what's the playbook to try and change this around?

Gern Blansten

cincybearcat said:

I asked someone before recently, but I cannot find that post...new forum/old user....makes it difficult!

Anyhow - I'd really like to know

1) What are some of the things that the Democratic party are doing today that they should stop doing?  
2) What are some of the things that the Democratic party isn't doing today that they should start doing?
3) When trying to win national elections, what issues/behaviors, etc of some of the more extreme liberals in the US (both online and in person) are hurting the Democratic party from winning big state and national elections?

I haven't voted for a single R since probably the election before the 2016 presidential election in any way (local, state, national)....I honestly thought back in 2016 that if people like me would vote against trump and the GOP during the MAGA takeover that it was a good sign that it wouldn't happen.  But it did.  So, in your opinion, what's the playbook to try and change this around?

my opinion...wait it out

I feel like trump is such a cult like figure we are trapped until he is no longer relevant. That base will not leave him regardless of what disgusting behavior or criminal activity he is involved in.

It wouldn't hurt to fight back a bit. I love the idea of CA, NY, IL, etc., gerrymandering to offset the bullshit that TX is doing. Time to stop playing nice.

Tim Simmons

People want to feel taken care of. Dems need to embrace more policies that do that. Sell them not only generally and simply, but sincerely. 

Boilerplate progressive policies are actually popular among americans

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/working-class-and-college-educated-voters-want-new-progressive-economic-policies/

the challenge for Dems is trying to look less elitist. Which is really tough in the face of opposing party that gets crueler and dumber. The natural inclination is to look responsible and have a hand on the wheel. It’s a difficult needle to thread, especially now when culture wars are candy to the public and just standing up for people’s rights and trying to be empathetic is seen as weak and out of touch. 

Tim Simmons

In my most cynical moments, I feel like the only way through is to let things get so bad America gets tired and wants a new direction. Hopefully that point hits well before we find a bottom. 

Tim Simmons

Tim Simmons said:

the challenge for Dems is trying to look less elitist. Which is really tough in the face of opposing party that gets crueler and dumber. The natural inclination is to look responsible and have a hand on the wheel. It’s a difficult needle to thread, especially now when culture wars are candy to the public and just standing up for people’s rights and trying to be empathetic is seen as weak and out of touch. 

This also gets to the heart of my issues with a lot of centrism. Right now, embracing centrism concedes a lot of ground to an extreme party and moves the Overton window. 

We are forced to have these debates on disingenuous grounds with bad actors. I’ve made the joke in the past “we can have a little bit of fascism/racism”, but that’s essentially where some are arguing is the point we need to start at. Hell on a federal level that IS where we are at.