VA Beach 8/3/00, Council Bluffs 6/13/03, St. Paul 6/16/03, East Troy 6/21/03, The Gorge 7/22/06, 7/23/06, Chicago 8/23/09, KC 5/3/10, St. Louis 5/4/10, Dublin 6/22/10, Belfast 6/23/10, London 6/25/10, EV Minneapolis 7/2/11, EV Tulsa 11/18/12, Chicago 7/19/13, OKC 11/16/13, Phoenix 11/19/13, Pemberton 7/17/16, Missoula 8/13/18, San Diego 5/3/22, Denver 9/22/22, Sacramento 5/13/24, LA 5/21/24
Obviously not without risk (I'm not a huge fan of flying in the day of a show), but it's the only way I could justify the trip. Was about $500 cheaper than flying straight into Fresno.
I think another interesting question would be why are they playing in Fresno? They do limited touring. Why not play Portland, Seattle, or somewhere else they could guarantee a sellout? It’s only been 19 years since they’ve played Houston…
The band isn't just going to pick up and fly to a random city in the middle of the tour. I'm sure the promoter considers things like routing, demand (haven't played Fresno since 2000), venue availability. In this case, obviously the demand isn't there, but it's a day during the tour when the band and crew will get paid. The failure is on the part of LiveNation/TM, but demand is hard to gauge right now due to COVID (people want to do stuff) and inflation/gas (people are tightening up). The band and crew will get paid and the fans will get a killer show. I consider it a win!
Pretty excited about adding Yosemite into my trip. I had no idea I was going to be close enough. Hope I have enough energy after the Full Lost Dogs show the night before!!!!
2006: Gorge 1
2009: Seattle 1
2013: Seattle
2016: Wrigley 1 & 2
2018: Seattle 1&2, Montana
2020: San Diego, LA 1&2, Oakland 1&2
2022: San Diego, LA 1&2, Fresno, Sacramento, Las Vegas, Denver
2024: Vancouver 1, Portland, Las Vegas 1&2, Seattle 1&2, Missoula
1. Pearl Jam is Dad Rock and not that popular anymore (doubtful)
2. It's on a Monday night which for a lot of people is a school/work night (more likely)
3. With 5 shows in the three largest population centers and a sixth in Sacramento, there's not much incentive for people who live in California to go to that show (most likely)
4, Fresno's a dumpster fire
Tempers are wearing thin. Let's hope some robot doesn't kill everybody.
1. Pearl Jam is Dad Rock and not that popular anymore (doubtful)
2. It's on a Monday night which for a lot of people is a school/work night (more likely)
3. With 5 shows in the three largest population centers and a sixth in Sacramento, there's not much incentive for people who live in California to go to that show (most likely)
4, Fresno's a dumpster fire
I think the other one is Covid.
I'm flying to San Fran/Oakland from Canada. You need a negative covid test to fly into the US. If I test positive the day before I fly I'm fucked. For a band that has a reputation for traveling fans, I think this issue is a dealbreaker for many.
Plus overall, I don't think concert attendance for most bands has returns to precovid demand. Even people that don't have to cross borders are still nervous about big events.
I feel like some of these shows would of sold better pre-covid?
Still.. it's always been hard to gauge PJ's popularity because the tours are usually smallish, and many dates are often in big population centres where it should be hard to sell out shows (tossed in with 1 or 2 smaller market shows kind of thing). I guess all those shows in the same state could be a litmus test for that, but it's hard to separate it from the impact covid is still having.
I'm going to ZZ Top/Cheap Trick tomorrow (figure I should see Cheap Trick before I can't). When that show was put up for sale before covid I think 3/4 of the arena sold out pretty quick, and much of the rest slowly trickled. They cancelled it, and now redid it, but it doesn't look like 1/3 has been sold.
I'm surprised it's not been called on lowticketsaleacitus.
With all of the badmouthing, and bad publicity that the Fresno show is getting, i'm almost hoping they give everyone that enters, a free ticket for the Free Tuesday night show at Fresno!!!
2006: Gorge 1
2009: Seattle 1
2013: Seattle
2016: Wrigley 1 & 2
2018: Seattle 1&2, Montana
2020: San Diego, LA 1&2, Oakland 1&2
2022: San Diego, LA 1&2, Fresno, Sacramento, Las Vegas, Denver
2024: Vancouver 1, Portland, Las Vegas 1&2, Seattle 1&2, Missoula
Not sure why the show that doesn't sell is going to be the show of the tour.
That’s just how these guys are. In the words of a dear friend after a recent show…that’s why they’re our band.
so have they done this before or just wishful thinking?
See the ‘03 Japan setlists.
To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
Not sure why the show that doesn't sell is going to be the show of the tour.
To reward the fans that decided to come? It's not those fans' fault no one else bought tickets.
Clearly PJ should make all the other shows shitty to punish the people who *didn't* come to Fresno.
Who's saying the other shows should be shitty?
Apologies--I don't think my sarcasm came through the way I intended. Just poking some gentle fun at the notion PJ shouldn't play a great (the best show of the tour?) for Fresno because it didn't sell. Basically trying to reinforce your point.....poorly, it seems!
When was the last time this small of a crowd in a large venue was at a Pearl Jam show? Calgary 2013? I bet that had more attendance than this with the snowstorm. Before that?
When was the last time this small of a crowd in a large venue was at a Pearl Jam show? Calgary 2013? I bet that had more attendance than this with the snowstorm. Before that?
I d guess Cleveland 2010 tour or Salt Lake City 2009.
If I still lived in San Jose, this show would be a no brainer.
Still is!
I've looked into flights and the cost is just too much for us right now. We are going to both London shows in July, and are getting ready to throw down the money for plane tickets back from either London or Paris, depending on where we fly back from. We need to figure it out this weekend. We are going to fly to London, watch the 2 shows and then take the channel train to Paris for a few days. Depending on the difference in the cost of flights, we are going to either fly back from Paris, or take the train back to London and then fly back.
Not sure why the show that doesn't sell is going to be the show of the tour.
To reward the fans that decided to come? It's not those fans' fault no one else bought tickets.
Clearly PJ should make all the other shows shitty to punish the people who *didn't* come to Fresno.
Who's saying the other shows should be shitty?
Apologies--I don't think my sarcasm came through the way I intended. Just poking some gentle fun at the notion PJ shouldn't play a great (the best show of the tour?) for Fresno because it didn't sell. Basically trying to reinforce your point.....poorly, it seems!
I gotcha - I'm not always great at reading sarcasm on here.
"I'm a lucky man, to count on both hands the [shows I've done]. Some folks just have one, others they got none..."
If I still lived in San Jose, this show would be a no brainer.
Still is!
I've looked into flights and the cost is just too much for us right now. We are going to both London shows in July, and are getting ready to throw down the money for plane tickets back from either London or Paris, depending on where we fly back from. We need to figure it out this weekend. We are going to fly to London, watch the 2 shows and then take the channel train to Paris for a few days. Depending on the difference in the cost of flights, we are going to either fly back from Paris, or take the train back to London and then fly back.
To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
If I still lived in San Jose, this show would be a no brainer.
Still is!
I've looked into flights and the cost is just too much for us right now. We are going to both London shows in July, and are getting ready to throw down the money for plane tickets back from either London or Paris, depending on where we fly back from. We need to figure it out this weekend. We are going to fly to London, watch the 2 shows and then take the channel train to Paris for a few days. Depending on the difference in the cost of flights, we are going to either fly back from Paris, or take the train back to London and then fly back.
If I still lived in San Jose, this show would be a no brainer.
Still is!
I've looked into flights and the cost is just too much for us right now. We are going to both London shows in July, and are getting ready to throw down the money for plane tickets back from either London or Paris, depending on where we fly back from. We need to figure it out this weekend. We are going to fly to London, watch the 2 shows and then take the channel train to Paris for a few days. Depending on the difference in the cost of flights, we are going to either fly back from Paris, or take the train back to London and then fly back.
Fresno is the Paris of the San Joaquin Valley....
Oh man!!
Back in 2020, I had plans to do Lolla in Paris, then hit the two Amsterdam shows. Two years later, Europe isn't feasible for me, so I get Fresno and OKC. Fair trade, right?
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Though, I just looked and saw some great seats at Face value is making it tempting. But that would also add another 3 Nights of Hotel stay $$$
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To reward the fans that decided to come? It's not those fans' fault no one else bought tickets.
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He goes to hell, of course. We're going to heaven."
Who's saying the other shows should be shitty?
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"He made the deal with the devil, we get to play with him.
He goes to hell, of course. We're going to heaven."
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
People are acting like this is going to be PJs version of Phish playing Dark Side of the Moon in SLC in '98 (the show after Halloween).
I gotcha - I'm not always great at reading sarcasm on here.
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He goes to hell, of course. We're going to heaven."
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore