Fan to Fan Ticket Exchange

mpedone

Weston1283 said:

At this point, the price level of the Premium seats makes no sense to me.  Is anyone, who hasn’t done so yet, really going to spent $505 plus fees on a SINGLE seat?

Theres a couple of seats in the 250 range that aren’t bad but I won’t pull the trigger because as soon as Fan to Fan opens, these premium seats are going to undercut the 10c Face Value

Safe to Say they have maxed out their California crowd for at least a few years 

They're playing chicken with the market, trying to lean on fans' FOMO. I think that's pretty standard, whether it's TM Platinum, PJ Premium, or run-of-the-mill scalping.

As far as TM dropping the prices once F2F opens, it's a test of character - do you help out a fellow fan and take a potentially worse seat for a little more, or do you help out soul-sucker TicketMaster and buy the cheaper and potentially better seat?

JimmyV

mpedone said:

Weston1283 said:

At this point, the price level of the Premium seats makes no sense to me.  Is anyone, who hasn’t done so yet, really going to spent $505 plus fees on a SINGLE seat?

Theres a couple of seats in the 250 range that aren’t bad but I won’t pull the trigger because as soon as Fan to Fan opens, these premium seats are going to undercut the 10c Face Value

Safe to Say they have maxed out their California crowd for at least a few years 

They're playing chicken with the market, trying to lean on fans' FOMO. I think that's pretty standard, whether it's TM Platinum, PJ Premium, or run-of-the-mill scalping.

As far as TM dropping the prices once F2F opens, it's a test of character - do you help out a fellow fan and take a potentially worse seat for a little more, or do you help out soul-sucker TicketMaster and buy the cheaper and potentially better seat?

The difference this time around is I don't think a ton of platinum tickets have sold, so there will be fewer of those being dumped by members. Most of the f2f we'll see will be 10c seats at face value, so even if Ticketmaster underprices the savings will be minimal. At least compared to what we saw for Ed and the Earthlings. 

mpedone

EH14457 said:

I agree with everything that’s been said about TM manufacturing scarcity by delaying F2F so they can sell some of the premium tickets. But I actually think they’ve miscalculated. I *suspect* that at this point in PJ’s career, anybody who cares enough to potentially drop $200+ on a single “good” lower level ticket is aware of the advertised ticket sale timeline and knows that a wave of possible better and cheaper f2f tickets is coming at some point, esp. for shows with less demand, like in CA. 

If they opened f2f now, they’d at least get those off the market (if real demand is high enough)… and then they could dynamically adjust pricing for any remaining tickets closer to the show for fans who make a last minute call to attend. As is, they’re kind of devaluing all the tickets by allowing a bunch of overpriced ones (the market’s opinion, not mine) to continually sit unsold, dropping in price. It really doesn’t reflect well on the band. 

This won’t be a popular opinion, but it’s probably also about time PJ moved to tiered pricing based on seat quality. I’m super appreciative for 10c’s efforts over the years and for the ability to get a super premium seat at a reasonable $120 (by todays’s standards). But EVERYONE charges more than that for the best tickets these days. 

My RHCP stadium floor tickets (16 rows behind the pit) were $250 each. Brandi Carlile 4th row floor? $185. Florence and the Machine lower level? $155. Bon Iver lowers? $130. 

I know it would suck for the die-hards, but does it really seem “fair” that face value on behind the stage uppers is the same price as non-premium face on the best seats in the house? At least balance that out a little. Even if you just have 3 tiers where the best 25% of tickets are $150, the middle 50% are $120 and the nosebleeds are $90, that would at least create the perception of fair relative value… and I think it would help move some of the less desirable seats, which only creates a better atmosphere for everyone and increases affordability/accessibility for people on tighter budgets. Realistically those best 25% are still going to sell through no problem at solid-in-the-current-market 20-ish% markup on current prices anyway. 🤷🏻‍♂️

I think fan club members would be okay with tiered pricing if those setting the prices could guarantee that all the Ten Club seats were in the same price tier. For arenas, that would probably just mean two price tiers for reserved -- lower and upper -- and maybe a little extra for GA. I think the only real bitching you'd get from the fan club is if lower member numbers were paying higher prices because they end up in the "top tier" seats, and some grumbling from mid-range numbers as they won't have cost certainty until they get their seat assignments (I guess we'd just have to plan on paying the max, and have it be a little bittersweet when we're charged a bit less).

JojoRice

Ya, I'd be fine with tiered pricing/seating options.  Dave Matthews Band does this for Warehouse members and it works very well.  Granted they tour a ton which makes tickets easier to get. 

mpedone

They could get a little creative with tiered pricing, and allow fans to pick which tier they'd like to try for, much like we do now with GA vs Reserved. You could pick from GA, Tier 1, and Tier 2. If you get picked for either tier, you'd be placed based on seniority. I'd guess the price difference would have to be quite large to get many to choose Tier 2, though. If they did it like this year's lottery - where you can select all (or "best available") and be placed in a tier based on when your number is drawn, again, we'd have that price uncertainty, and on top of that, we'd have high numbers end up in Tier 2 and start threads about seniority not mattering anymore.

JimmyV

Tiered pricing makes sense and we've already seen it at some of the amphitheater and ballpark shows. 

cmalisze

mpedone said:

They could get a little creative with tiered pricing, and allow fans to pick which tier they'd like to try for, much like we do now with GA vs Reserved. You could pick from GA, Tier 1, and Tier 2. If you get picked for either tier, you'd be placed based on seniority. I'd guess the price difference would have to be quite large to get many to choose Tier 2, though. If they did it like this year's lottery - where you can select all (or "best available") and be placed in a tier based on when your number is drawn, again, we'd have that price uncertainty, and on top of that, we'd have high numbers end up in Tier 2 and start threads about seniority not mattering anymore.

Seniority always matters less GA. If/when chosen for a Tier it would be simple to assign seats based on seniority. Everyone has the same random chance to be chosen for their Tier but once chosen for a Tier the location of seat is dictated by seniority. 

This system would work great as has been discussed. GA $$$ Tier 1 $$ Tier 2 $


Fun conversation.  

JOEJOEJOE

Based on how high prices are for tickets, it out to be called "teared pricing"!!      Get it.....get it????

JojoRice

How long has it been since PJ hasn't sold out an arena show here in the US?  I'm guessing 2013/2014?  I have a feeling that streak will end next month in California. I know the 2016 arena shows sold out in minutes if not seconds. 

jjflash

JOEJOEJOE said:

Based on how high prices are for tickets, it out to be called "teared pricing"!!      Get it.....get it????

PB11041

JojoRice said:

How long has it been since PJ hasn't sold out an arena show here in the US?  I'm guessing 2013/2014?  I have a feeling that streak will end next month in California. I know the 2016 arena shows sold out in minutes if not seconds. 

It is somewhat relative.  We only have 2013-14 and 2016 to choose from.  They have not played in an arena in the US since 2016.  

There are a lot of factors going on right now.

1. the ticket process from those two tours to now is markedly different.
2. the market conditions from those two tours to now is markedly different.
3. they announced these rescheduled dates very late, so anyone with plans in May was not going to be doing the May leg.
4. a not insignificant number of people are not willing to travel nor go to shows just yet coming out of the last two years.
5. unless someone has money to light on fire why would you buy a premium tickets before the fan to fan opens. 

Weston1283

JojoRice said:

How long has it been since PJ hasn't sold out an arena show here in the US?  I'm guessing 2013/2014?  I have a feeling that streak will end next month in California. I know the 2016 arena shows sold out in minutes if not seconds. 

Tulsa 2014 had entire upper level sections empty (not behind stage)

pistol3

cmalisze said:

NewfieintheUSA said:

Weston1283 said:

Did it open up this late for the EV shows?  Tour starts in 3 weeks… crazy…

If I recall correctly, they didn't open until around 2 weeks before 

And that's when they drop the prices of the unbought "PJ Premium" below regular face value so fans are stuck holding the bag. It's really great! 

Haha, we are so lucky.

Lifted

Nothing much to add that hasn't been said already....but I find it pretty amazing that there are actually people on this board who are trying to explain/justify the f2f not being opened up yet.

I dont care enough to look into all of the fine print regarding ticket sales for this tour, but I suspect it was conveniently worded in a way to allow ticketmaster to block f2f sales as long as they choose, so long as the option is available at some point before the given show starts. They could probably wait until the day of if they want. Illegal, no. Unethical, extremely.

craigraether

SD is 3 weeks away and there are 40 PJ Premium seats available ... start the fan to fan for Fuks Sake

given2fly23

It is definitely a bit ridiculous at this point, well after all the ticket sales dates have passed.  No communication even.

craigraether

given2fly23 said:

It is definitely a bit ridiculous at this point, well after all the ticket sales dates have passed.  No communication even.

This should be the "No Communication Tour" ... Gutted, Unfulfilled, No Communication, ...the new cover song is RHCP - Californication 

JojoRice

craigraether said:

SD is 3 weeks away and there are 40 PJ Premium seats available ... start the fan to fan for Fuks Sake

Exactly!  I need the F2F to open up so that I can try to grab some LA2 tickets. I currently have some tickets behind the stage but I'd like to try and "upgrade" if possible. 

JimmyV

craigraether said:

given2fly23 said:

It is definitely a bit ridiculous at this point, well after all the ticket sales dates have passed.  No communication even.

This should be the "No Communication Tour" ... Gutted, Unfulfilled, No Communication, ...the new cover song is RHCP - Californication 

Don't forget Waitlisted

mpedone

given2fly23 said:

It is definitely a bit ridiculous at this point, well after all the ticket sales dates have passed.  No communication even.

The tickets sales for this tour have been ridiculously inept. Locking everything behind Verified Fan, then unlocking it with no announcement (and LA remaining locked for no reason). Working with TicketMaster to sell Platinum seats and for some reason calling them "Pearl Jam Premium". Announcing there would be F2F, not telling anyone an actual date, and then waiting so long with no word that many people aren't even going to know/care when it opens. This has just been bad.