Hunter Biden Laptop Controversy
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We are?JB16057 said:
No, you didn't say there was but I was asking because no one can come up with much when it comes to the Saudi deal. The Hunter investigation is still ongoing and we are still seeing movement.HughFreakingDillon said:
did I say there was?JB16057 said:
No. I don't get it. Is there still an active investigation into the $2billion Saudi deal?HughFreakingDillon said:
the only time anyone brings up the saudi deal is when cons bitch and moan about democrat/biden corruption. because it showcases the obvious hypocrisy. get it now?JB16057 said:
...yet you keep bringing up the $2 billion from Saudis. What is the difference between you and I then if we're both chasing something that isnt really there? That would make you just as guilty as I am. Way to change the subject.....Merkin Baller said:
The point is, the Hunter investigation is a crock of shit. If there was anything there they would have uncovered it by now.JB16057 said:
You tell me why not? Your guy is in office and controls the DOJ. Why isn't it being investigated? You are asking me when you should be asking Democrats.Merkin Baller said:
It's not being investigated at all... why not?JB16057 said:
If laws were broken, they should be prosecuted.Merkin Baller said:mickeyrat said:Merkin Baller said:
Are they any closer to finding out why Hunter got $2B from the Saudis?
thats still the great mystery. give them time though. thy have a witness..
Hopefully they're also looking into how he got all those trademarks fast tracked in China while his father was president... since we're all so very seriously concerned about presidential corruption & whatnot.
Meanwhile, "bUrIsMa"!!!
It's not my fault you keep falling for obvious bullshit and can't or won't see it for what it is.
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Merkin Baller said:
We are?JB16057 said:
No, you didn't say there was but I was asking because no one can come up with much when it comes to the Saudi deal. The Hunter investigation is still ongoing and we are still seeing movement.HughFreakingDillon said:
did I say there was?JB16057 said:
No. I don't get it. Is there still an active investigation into the $2billion Saudi deal?HughFreakingDillon said:
the only time anyone brings up the saudi deal is when cons bitch and moan about democrat/biden corruption. because it showcases the obvious hypocrisy. get it now?JB16057 said:
...yet you keep bringing up the $2 billion from Saudis. What is the difference between you and I then if we're both chasing something that isnt really there? That would make you just as guilty as I am. Way to change the subject.....Merkin Baller said:
The point is, the Hunter investigation is a crock of shit. If there was anything there they would have uncovered it by now.JB16057 said:
You tell me why not? Your guy is in office and controls the DOJ. Why isn't it being investigated? You are asking me when you should be asking Democrats.Merkin Baller said:
It's not being investigated at all... why not?JB16057 said:
If laws were broken, they should be prosecuted.Merkin Baller said:mickeyrat said:Merkin Baller said:
Are they any closer to finding out why Hunter got $2B from the Saudis?
thats still the great mystery. give them time though. thy have a witness..
Hopefully they're also looking into how he got all those trademarks fast tracked in China while his father was president... since we're all so very seriously concerned about presidential corruption & whatnot.
Meanwhile, "bUrIsMa"!!!
It's not my fault you keep falling for obvious bullshit and can't or won't see it for what it is.
yes. the gop digs a deeper hole for itself.... movement. kinda like a bowel......
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Yup. Any. Day. Now. Just as soon as Billy DISbarred and Bull Durham get deputized by Gym Jordan.Merkin Baller said:
We are?JB16057 said:
No, you didn't say there was but I was asking because no one can come up with much when it comes to the Saudi deal. The Hunter investigation is still ongoing and we are still seeing movement.HughFreakingDillon said:
did I say there was?JB16057 said:
No. I don't get it. Is there still an active investigation into the $2billion Saudi deal?HughFreakingDillon said:
the only time anyone brings up the saudi deal is when cons bitch and moan about democrat/biden corruption. because it showcases the obvious hypocrisy. get it now?JB16057 said:
...yet you keep bringing up the $2 billion from Saudis. What is the difference between you and I then if we're both chasing something that isnt really there? That would make you just as guilty as I am. Way to change the subject.....Merkin Baller said:
The point is, the Hunter investigation is a crock of shit. If there was anything there they would have uncovered it by now.JB16057 said:
You tell me why not? Your guy is in office and controls the DOJ. Why isn't it being investigated? You are asking me when you should be asking Democrats.Merkin Baller said:
It's not being investigated at all... why not?JB16057 said:
If laws were broken, they should be prosecuted.Merkin Baller said:mickeyrat said:Merkin Baller said:
Are they any closer to finding out why Hunter got $2B from the Saudis?
thats still the great mystery. give them time though. thy have a witness..
Hopefully they're also looking into how he got all those trademarks fast tracked in China while his father was president... since we're all so very seriously concerned about presidential corruption & whatnot.
Meanwhile, "bUrIsMa"!!!
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every big reveal has been a swing & a miss... if there was something there tfg wouldn't have tried to extort a foreign leader into announcing an investigation into the guy.mickeyrat said:Merkin Baller said:
We are?JB16057 said:
No, you didn't say there was but I was asking because no one can come up with much when it comes to the Saudi deal. The Hunter investigation is still ongoing and we are still seeing movement.HughFreakingDillon said:
did I say there was?JB16057 said:
No. I don't get it. Is there still an active investigation into the $2billion Saudi deal?HughFreakingDillon said:
the only time anyone brings up the saudi deal is when cons bitch and moan about democrat/biden corruption. because it showcases the obvious hypocrisy. get it now?JB16057 said:
...yet you keep bringing up the $2 billion from Saudis. What is the difference between you and I then if we're both chasing something that isnt really there? That would make you just as guilty as I am. Way to change the subject.....Merkin Baller said:
The point is, the Hunter investigation is a crock of shit. If there was anything there they would have uncovered it by now.JB16057 said:
You tell me why not? Your guy is in office and controls the DOJ. Why isn't it being investigated? You are asking me when you should be asking Democrats.Merkin Baller said:
It's not being investigated at all... why not?JB16057 said:
If laws were broken, they should be prosecuted.Merkin Baller said:mickeyrat said:Merkin Baller said:
Are they any closer to finding out why Hunter got $2B from the Saudis?
thats still the great mystery. give them time though. thy have a witness..
Hopefully they're also looking into how he got all those trademarks fast tracked in China while his father was president... since we're all so very seriously concerned about presidential corruption & whatnot.
Meanwhile, "bUrIsMa"!!!
It's not my fault you keep falling for obvious bullshit and can't or won't see it for what it is.
yes. the gop digs a deeper hole for itself.... movement. kinda like a bowel......
He didn't even care whether or not they investigated him... only that they announced that they were looking into him.
If you can't see that for what it is, you're beyond help.0 -
exactly...they are just always kicking the can down the road. Ignore the misses and move immediately to the next outrage. Then, when that outrage blows up, pivot to the next outrage.Merkin Baller said:
every big reveal has been a swing & a miss... if there was something there tfg wouldn't have tried to extort a foreign leader into announcing an investigation into the guy.mickeyrat said:Merkin Baller said:
We are?JB16057 said:
No, you didn't say there was but I was asking because no one can come up with much when it comes to the Saudi deal. The Hunter investigation is still ongoing and we are still seeing movement.HughFreakingDillon said:
did I say there was?JB16057 said:
No. I don't get it. Is there still an active investigation into the $2billion Saudi deal?HughFreakingDillon said:
the only time anyone brings up the saudi deal is when cons bitch and moan about democrat/biden corruption. because it showcases the obvious hypocrisy. get it now?JB16057 said:
...yet you keep bringing up the $2 billion from Saudis. What is the difference between you and I then if we're both chasing something that isnt really there? That would make you just as guilty as I am. Way to change the subject.....Merkin Baller said:
The point is, the Hunter investigation is a crock of shit. If there was anything there they would have uncovered it by now.JB16057 said:
You tell me why not? Your guy is in office and controls the DOJ. Why isn't it being investigated? You are asking me when you should be asking Democrats.Merkin Baller said:
It's not being investigated at all... why not?JB16057 said:
If laws were broken, they should be prosecuted.Merkin Baller said:mickeyrat said:Merkin Baller said:
Are they any closer to finding out why Hunter got $2B from the Saudis?
thats still the great mystery. give them time though. thy have a witness..
Hopefully they're also looking into how he got all those trademarks fast tracked in China while his father was president... since we're all so very seriously concerned about presidential corruption & whatnot.
Meanwhile, "bUrIsMa"!!!
It's not my fault you keep falling for obvious bullshit and can't or won't see it for what it is.
yes. the gop digs a deeper hole for itself.... movement. kinda like a bowel......
He didn't even care whether or not they investigated him... only that they announced that they were looking into him.
If you can't see that for what it is, you're beyond help.
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this reminds me of all the people on this board (and everywhere else) salivating constantly at the prospect of "getting" trump back in 2016 (full disclosure: I was one of them). this was back when no one knew the crimes he had committed/would commit. they just were so desperate to get their guy. this is what this hunter shit seems to me. the right grasping at straws to "get biden" because they can't stand that a dem is in office.JB16057 said:
No, you didn't say there was but I was asking because no one can come up with much when it comes to the Saudi deal. The Hunter investigation is still ongoing and we are still seeing movement.HughFreakingDillon said:
did I say there was?JB16057 said:
No. I don't get it. Is there still an active investigation into the $2billion Saudi deal?HughFreakingDillon said:
the only time anyone brings up the saudi deal is when cons bitch and moan about democrat/biden corruption. because it showcases the obvious hypocrisy. get it now?JB16057 said:
...yet you keep bringing up the $2 billion from Saudis. What is the difference between you and I then if we're both chasing something that isnt really there? That would make you just as guilty as I am. Way to change the subject.....Merkin Baller said:
The point is, the Hunter investigation is a crock of shit. If there was anything there they would have uncovered it by now.JB16057 said:
You tell me why not? Your guy is in office and controls the DOJ. Why isn't it being investigated? You are asking me when you should be asking Democrats.Merkin Baller said:
It's not being investigated at all... why not?JB16057 said:
If laws were broken, they should be prosecuted.Merkin Baller said:mickeyrat said:Merkin Baller said:
Are they any closer to finding out why Hunter got $2B from the Saudis?
thats still the great mystery. give them time though. thy have a witness..
Hopefully they're also looking into how he got all those trademarks fast tracked in China while his father was president... since we're all so very seriously concerned about presidential corruption & whatnot.
Meanwhile, "bUrIsMa"!!!
It's not my fault you keep falling for obvious bullshit and can't or won't see it for what it is.Post edited by HughFreakingDillon onBy The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
It's the same strategy they used to benghazi HRC.HughFreakingDillon said:
this reminds me of all the people on this board (and everywhere else) salivating constantly at the prospect of "getting" trump back in 2016. this was back when no one knew the crimes he had committed/would commit. they just were so desperate to get their guy. this is what this hunter shit seems to me. the right grasping at straws to "get biden" because they can't stand that a dem is in office.JB16057 said:
No, you didn't say there was but I was asking because no one can come up with much when it comes to the Saudi deal. The Hunter investigation is still ongoing and we are still seeing movement.HughFreakingDillon said:
did I say there was?JB16057 said:
No. I don't get it. Is there still an active investigation into the $2billion Saudi deal?HughFreakingDillon said:
the only time anyone brings up the saudi deal is when cons bitch and moan about democrat/biden corruption. because it showcases the obvious hypocrisy. get it now?JB16057 said:
...yet you keep bringing up the $2 billion from Saudis. What is the difference between you and I then if we're both chasing something that isnt really there? That would make you just as guilty as I am. Way to change the subject.....Merkin Baller said:
The point is, the Hunter investigation is a crock of shit. If there was anything there they would have uncovered it by now.JB16057 said:
You tell me why not? Your guy is in office and controls the DOJ. Why isn't it being investigated? You are asking me when you should be asking Democrats.Merkin Baller said:
It's not being investigated at all... why not?JB16057 said:
If laws were broken, they should be prosecuted.Merkin Baller said:mickeyrat said:Merkin Baller said:
Are they any closer to finding out why Hunter got $2B from the Saudis?
thats still the great mystery. give them time though. thy have a witness..
Hopefully they're also looking into how he got all those trademarks fast tracked in China while his father was president... since we're all so very seriously concerned about presidential corruption & whatnot.
Meanwhile, "bUrIsMa"!!!
It's not my fault you keep falling for obvious bullshit and can't or won't see it for what it is.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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There's still an ongoing investigation into the possible FARA violation(s).mickeyrat said:JB16057 said:
Hunter clearly violated FARA.mrussel1 said:
No laws were broken by Kushner. And no laws were broken by Hunter as it relates to doing business in Ukraine or anywhere else. That's the point. If he didn't pay taxes, then that's a broken law but the DOJ handled that.JB16057 said:
Way bigger red flags? Show me the investigation and more importantly, tell me what laws were broken and when the Trumps are going to jail.Merkin Baller said:
You do know every comment about Hunter getting $2B has been tongue in cheek, don't you?JB16057 said:
...yet you keep bringing up the $2 billion from Saudis. What is the difference between you and I then if we're both chasing something that isnt really there? That would make you just as guilty as I am. Way to change the subject.....Merkin Baller said:
The point is, the Hunter investigation is a crock of shit. If there was anything there they would have uncovered it by now.JB16057 said:
You tell me why not? Your guy is in office and controls the DOJ. Why isn't it being investigated? You are asking me when you should be asking Democrats.Merkin Baller said:
It's not being investigated at all... why not?JB16057 said:
If laws were broken, they should be prosecuted.Merkin Baller said:mickeyrat said:Merkin Baller said:
Are they any closer to finding out why Hunter got $2B from the Saudis?
thats still the great mystery. give them time though. thy have a witness..
Hopefully they're also looking into how he got all those trademarks fast tracked in China while his father was president... since we're all so very seriously concerned about presidential corruption & whatnot.
Meanwhile, "bUrIsMa"!!!
It's not my fault you keep falling for obvious bullshit and can't or won't see it for what it is.
You do know it was Jared Kushner that got $2B from the Saudis, right?
& that $2B from Saudi Arabia, plus Ivanka getting trademarks fast tracked in China while her father was in office and she worked in his administration are way bigger red flags & than anything Hunter's been tied to... you understand that, don't you?
And in neither of these scenarios were laws broken by Joe Biden or Donald Trump.umm sitting on the board of a company isnt in the same universe as libbying the US government on behalf of a foreign nation....so do tell, how was fara violated?
Remember last week when the DOJ tried pushing through the unprecedented plea deal for Hunter? The judge called out how ridiculous the plea deal was because the Hunter investigation is still active.0 -
Kevin McCarthy admitted as much.Gern Blansten said:
It's the same strategy they used to benghazi HRC.HughFreakingDillon said:
this reminds me of all the people on this board (and everywhere else) salivating constantly at the prospect of "getting" trump back in 2016. this was back when no one knew the crimes he had committed/would commit. they just were so desperate to get their guy. this is what this hunter shit seems to me. the right grasping at straws to "get biden" because they can't stand that a dem is in office.JB16057 said:
No, you didn't say there was but I was asking because no one can come up with much when it comes to the Saudi deal. The Hunter investigation is still ongoing and we are still seeing movement.HughFreakingDillon said:
did I say there was?JB16057 said:
No. I don't get it. Is there still an active investigation into the $2billion Saudi deal?HughFreakingDillon said:
the only time anyone brings up the saudi deal is when cons bitch and moan about democrat/biden corruption. because it showcases the obvious hypocrisy. get it now?JB16057 said:
...yet you keep bringing up the $2 billion from Saudis. What is the difference between you and I then if we're both chasing something that isnt really there? That would make you just as guilty as I am. Way to change the subject.....Merkin Baller said:
The point is, the Hunter investigation is a crock of shit. If there was anything there they would have uncovered it by now.JB16057 said:
You tell me why not? Your guy is in office and controls the DOJ. Why isn't it being investigated? You are asking me when you should be asking Democrats.Merkin Baller said:
It's not being investigated at all... why not?JB16057 said:
If laws were broken, they should be prosecuted.Merkin Baller said:mickeyrat said:Merkin Baller said:
Are they any closer to finding out why Hunter got $2B from the Saudis?
thats still the great mystery. give them time though. thy have a witness..
Hopefully they're also looking into how he got all those trademarks fast tracked in China while his father was president... since we're all so very seriously concerned about presidential corruption & whatnot.
Meanwhile, "bUrIsMa"!!!
It's not my fault you keep falling for obvious bullshit and can't or won't see it for what it is.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/mccarthy-links-benghazi-panel-clintons-sinking-poll-numbers-n436151
“Everybody thought Hillary Clinton was unbeatable, right? But we put together a Benghazi special committee, a select committee," McCarthy said. “What are her numbers today? Her numbers are dropping. Why? Because she's untrustable. But no one would have have known any of that had happened had we not fought and made that happen.”
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Past is present. Buh buh buh Hunter.
And because it was debunked and bullshit over a year ago, I guess it’s not relevant?Unraveling the tale of Hunter Biden and $3.5 million from Russia
She [Russian billionaire Elena Baturina] gave him [Hunter Biden] $3.5 million so now I would think [Russian president Vladimir] Putin would know the answer to that. I think he should release it. I think we should know that answer.”
— Former president Donald Trump, in an interview with Just the News, March 29
“The FBI knew of the laptop, knew that Hunter received a $3.5 million wire transfer from the former mayor of Moscow’s wife.”
— Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.), interview on Fox News’s “Sunday Morning Futures,” April 3
Less than 50 days before the 2020 presidential election, the Republican staff of the Senate Finance and Homeland Security committees issued a joint reportwith a startling claim — that Joe Biden’s son Hunter had received a $3.5 million wire transfer from Elena Baturina, a Russian billionaire and the widow of the former mayor of Moscow.
Trump quickly weaponized the factoid, mentioning it 42 times in the final weeks of the campaign. He sharply questioned Biden during the first presidential debate: “They were the ones involved with Russia, turns out not me, it was the opposite. But why did your son get three and a half million from the wife of the mayor of Moscow?”
An attorney for Hunter Biden denied the allegation in 2020 but it has lived on, especially in the right-wing media. Recently Trump called on Putin to reveal what he knows about it.
Trump’s call-out to Putin inspired us to dig deep into this story again. We interviewed people familiar with the transactions, reviewed property and real estate documents and probed for leads in the emails contained on a hard drive copy of the laptop Hunter Biden supposedly left behind for repair in a Delaware shop in April 2019. None of our sources would speak on the record because of continuing investigations of Hunter Biden and his business practices, but we sought confirmation from corporate filings and other records.
The flimsiness of the allegation was apparent from the start merely by carefully reading the Senate GOP report itself.
The executive summary offers a seemingly definitive bullet point almost exactly the same as Johnson’s comment: “Hunter Biden received a $3.5 million wire transfer from Elena Baturina, the wife of the former mayor of Moscow.” But the two pages in the report that deal with this transaction are considerably more nuanced, never saying outright that Hunter Biden received this money and making no claim that any laws were broken.
The GOP report itself does not provide evidence to back up the claim that became a talking point — and our reporting has unearthed the best explanation about what really happened. It’s a complicated story, involving a web of corporate entities, that eventually leads to the purchase of millions of dollars worth of real estate in Brooklyn by the Russian billionaire. We found no evidence that Hunter Biden was part of those transactions.
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What isn't debunked is why did Biden not sanction Baturina when he sanctioned other Russian oligarchs?Halifax2TheMax said:Past is present. Buh buh buh Hunter.
And because it was debunked and bullshit over a year ago, I guess it’s not relevant?Unraveling the tale of Hunter Biden and $3.5 million from Russia
She [Russian billionaire Elena Baturina] gave him [Hunter Biden] $3.5 million so now I would think [Russian president Vladimir] Putin would know the answer to that. I think he should release it. I think we should know that answer.”
— Former president Donald Trump, in an interview with Just the News, March 29
“The FBI knew of the laptop, knew that Hunter received a $3.5 million wire transfer from the former mayor of Moscow’s wife.”
— Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.), interview on Fox News’s “Sunday Morning Futures,” April 3
Less than 50 days before the 2020 presidential election, the Republican staff of the Senate Finance and Homeland Security committees issued a joint reportwith a startling claim — that Joe Biden’s son Hunter had received a $3.5 million wire transfer from Elena Baturina, a Russian billionaire and the widow of the former mayor of Moscow.
Trump quickly weaponized the factoid, mentioning it 42 times in the final weeks of the campaign. He sharply questioned Biden during the first presidential debate: “They were the ones involved with Russia, turns out not me, it was the opposite. But why did your son get three and a half million from the wife of the mayor of Moscow?”
An attorney for Hunter Biden denied the allegation in 2020 but it has lived on, especially in the right-wing media. Recently Trump called on Putin to reveal what he knows about it.
Trump’s call-out to Putin inspired us to dig deep into this story again. We interviewed people familiar with the transactions, reviewed property and real estate documents and probed for leads in the emails contained on a hard drive copy of the laptop Hunter Biden supposedly left behind for repair in a Delaware shop in April 2019. None of our sources would speak on the record because of continuing investigations of Hunter Biden and his business practices, but we sought confirmation from corporate filings and other records.
The flimsiness of the allegation was apparent from the start merely by carefully reading the Senate GOP report itself.
The executive summary offers a seemingly definitive bullet point almost exactly the same as Johnson’s comment: “Hunter Biden received a $3.5 million wire transfer from Elena Baturina, the wife of the former mayor of Moscow.” But the two pages in the report that deal with this transaction are considerably more nuanced, never saying outright that Hunter Biden received this money and making no claim that any laws were broken.
The GOP report itself does not provide evidence to back up the claim that became a talking point — and our reporting has unearthed the best explanation about what really happened. It’s a complicated story, involving a web of corporate entities, that eventually leads to the purchase of millions of dollars worth of real estate in Brooklyn by the Russian billionaire. We found no evidence that Hunter Biden was part of those transactions.
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See, this is why you need to stay out of right wing media. Your assessment of what happened last week is inaccurateJB16057 said:
There's still an ongoing investigation into the possible FARA violation(s).mickeyrat said:JB16057 said:
Hunter clearly violated FARA.mrussel1 said:
No laws were broken by Kushner. And no laws were broken by Hunter as it relates to doing business in Ukraine or anywhere else. That's the point. If he didn't pay taxes, then that's a broken law but the DOJ handled that.JB16057 said:
Way bigger red flags? Show me the investigation and more importantly, tell me what laws were broken and when the Trumps are going to jail.Merkin Baller said:
You do know every comment about Hunter getting $2B has been tongue in cheek, don't you?JB16057 said:
...yet you keep bringing up the $2 billion from Saudis. What is the difference between you and I then if we're both chasing something that isnt really there? That would make you just as guilty as I am. Way to change the subject.....Merkin Baller said:
The point is, the Hunter investigation is a crock of shit. If there was anything there they would have uncovered it by now.JB16057 said:
You tell me why not? Your guy is in office and controls the DOJ. Why isn't it being investigated? You are asking me when you should be asking Democrats.Merkin Baller said:
It's not being investigated at all... why not?JB16057 said:
If laws were broken, they should be prosecuted.Merkin Baller said:mickeyrat said:Merkin Baller said:
Are they any closer to finding out why Hunter got $2B from the Saudis?
thats still the great mystery. give them time though. thy have a witness..
Hopefully they're also looking into how he got all those trademarks fast tracked in China while his father was president... since we're all so very seriously concerned about presidential corruption & whatnot.
Meanwhile, "bUrIsMa"!!!
It's not my fault you keep falling for obvious bullshit and can't or won't see it for what it is.
You do know it was Jared Kushner that got $2B from the Saudis, right?
& that $2B from Saudi Arabia, plus Ivanka getting trademarks fast tracked in China while her father was in office and she worked in his administration are way bigger red flags & than anything Hunter's been tied to... you understand that, don't you?
And in neither of these scenarios were laws broken by Joe Biden or Donald Trump.umm sitting on the board of a company isnt in the same universe as libbying the US government on behalf of a foreign nation....so do tell, how was fara violated?
Remember last week when the DOJ tried pushing through the unprecedented plea deal for Hunter? The judge called out how ridiculous the plea deal was because the Hunter investigation is still active.
During normal questioning that happens for every deal, the judge asked each party if they understood the terms. The Biden team believed they were receiving immunity from other charges. The DOJ said no, that Hunter was still under investigation. So Biden's team did not want to do the deal because they misunderstood the terms. The judge told both parties to go back and work out a new deal. Hunter entered a plead of "not guilty" which is just a formality.
The judge did question how the two deals overlapped and didn't understand the mechanics of it. However, the judge did not quash the deal because it was too easy on Hunter. That's completely inaccurate.0 -
Please, do tell. With links, please, seeing how you have the hottest and latest news fresh off the presses. Connect them dots. You like dots, don’t you?JB16057 said:
What isn't debunked is why did Biden not sanction Baturina when he sanctioned other Russian oligarchs?Halifax2TheMax said:Past is present. Buh buh buh Hunter.
And because it was debunked and bullshit over a year ago, I guess it’s not relevant?Unraveling the tale of Hunter Biden and $3.5 million from Russia
She [Russian billionaire Elena Baturina] gave him [Hunter Biden] $3.5 million so now I would think [Russian president Vladimir] Putin would know the answer to that. I think he should release it. I think we should know that answer.”
— Former president Donald Trump, in an interview with Just the News, March 29
“The FBI knew of the laptop, knew that Hunter received a $3.5 million wire transfer from the former mayor of Moscow’s wife.”
— Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.), interview on Fox News’s “Sunday Morning Futures,” April 3
Less than 50 days before the 2020 presidential election, the Republican staff of the Senate Finance and Homeland Security committees issued a joint reportwith a startling claim — that Joe Biden’s son Hunter had received a $3.5 million wire transfer from Elena Baturina, a Russian billionaire and the widow of the former mayor of Moscow.
Trump quickly weaponized the factoid, mentioning it 42 times in the final weeks of the campaign. He sharply questioned Biden during the first presidential debate: “They were the ones involved with Russia, turns out not me, it was the opposite. But why did your son get three and a half million from the wife of the mayor of Moscow?”
An attorney for Hunter Biden denied the allegation in 2020 but it has lived on, especially in the right-wing media. Recently Trump called on Putin to reveal what he knows about it.
Trump’s call-out to Putin inspired us to dig deep into this story again. We interviewed people familiar with the transactions, reviewed property and real estate documents and probed for leads in the emails contained on a hard drive copy of the laptop Hunter Biden supposedly left behind for repair in a Delaware shop in April 2019. None of our sources would speak on the record because of continuing investigations of Hunter Biden and his business practices, but we sought confirmation from corporate filings and other records.
The flimsiness of the allegation was apparent from the start merely by carefully reading the Senate GOP report itself.
The executive summary offers a seemingly definitive bullet point almost exactly the same as Johnson’s comment: “Hunter Biden received a $3.5 million wire transfer from Elena Baturina, the wife of the former mayor of Moscow.” But the two pages in the report that deal with this transaction are considerably more nuanced, never saying outright that Hunter Biden received this money and making no claim that any laws were broken.
The GOP report itself does not provide evidence to back up the claim that became a talking point — and our reporting has unearthed the best explanation about what really happened. It’s a complicated story, involving a web of corporate entities, that eventually leads to the purchase of millions of dollars worth of real estate in Brooklyn by the Russian billionaire. We found no evidence that Hunter Biden was part of those transactions.
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How did you come to the legal conclusion that FARA was violated when the DOJ hasn't even brought an indictment. Tell us the evidence you have that the DOJ doesn't.JB16057 said:
There's still an ongoing investigation into the possible FARA violation(s).mickeyrat said:JB16057 said:
Hunter clearly violated FARA.mrussel1 said:
No laws were broken by Kushner. And no laws were broken by Hunter as it relates to doing business in Ukraine or anywhere else. That's the point. If he didn't pay taxes, then that's a broken law but the DOJ handled that.JB16057 said:
Way bigger red flags? Show me the investigation and more importantly, tell me what laws were broken and when the Trumps are going to jail.Merkin Baller said:
You do know every comment about Hunter getting $2B has been tongue in cheek, don't you?JB16057 said:
...yet you keep bringing up the $2 billion from Saudis. What is the difference between you and I then if we're both chasing something that isnt really there? That would make you just as guilty as I am. Way to change the subject.....Merkin Baller said:
The point is, the Hunter investigation is a crock of shit. If there was anything there they would have uncovered it by now.JB16057 said:
You tell me why not? Your guy is in office and controls the DOJ. Why isn't it being investigated? You are asking me when you should be asking Democrats.Merkin Baller said:
It's not being investigated at all... why not?JB16057 said:
If laws were broken, they should be prosecuted.Merkin Baller said:mickeyrat said:Merkin Baller said:
Are they any closer to finding out why Hunter got $2B from the Saudis?
thats still the great mystery. give them time though. thy have a witness..
Hopefully they're also looking into how he got all those trademarks fast tracked in China while his father was president... since we're all so very seriously concerned about presidential corruption & whatnot.
Meanwhile, "bUrIsMa"!!!
It's not my fault you keep falling for obvious bullshit and can't or won't see it for what it is.
You do know it was Jared Kushner that got $2B from the Saudis, right?
& that $2B from Saudi Arabia, plus Ivanka getting trademarks fast tracked in China while her father was in office and she worked in his administration are way bigger red flags & than anything Hunter's been tied to... you understand that, don't you?
And in neither of these scenarios were laws broken by Joe Biden or Donald Trump.umm sitting on the board of a company isnt in the same universe as libbying the US government on behalf of a foreign nation....so do tell, how was fara violated?
Remember last week when the DOJ tried pushing through the unprecedented plea deal for Hunter? The judge called out how ridiculous the plea deal was because the Hunter investigation is still active.
Also, it would have zero to do with Joe Biden, yet again.0 -
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It's a fair question to ask. I don't have the slightest clue but if we're going after Russian oligarchs and we skip over a couple of them, we should be asking why that happened. Can you agree that is an acceptable question?Halifax2TheMax said:
Please, do tell. With links, please, seeing how you have the hottest and latest news fresh off the presses. Connect them dots. You like dots, don’t you?JB16057 said:
What isn't debunked is why did Biden not sanction Baturina when he sanctioned other Russian oligarchs?Halifax2TheMax said:Past is present. Buh buh buh Hunter.
And because it was debunked and bullshit over a year ago, I guess it’s not relevant?Unraveling the tale of Hunter Biden and $3.5 million from Russia
She [Russian billionaire Elena Baturina] gave him [Hunter Biden] $3.5 million so now I would think [Russian president Vladimir] Putin would know the answer to that. I think he should release it. I think we should know that answer.”
— Former president Donald Trump, in an interview with Just the News, March 29
“The FBI knew of the laptop, knew that Hunter received a $3.5 million wire transfer from the former mayor of Moscow’s wife.”
— Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.), interview on Fox News’s “Sunday Morning Futures,” April 3
Less than 50 days before the 2020 presidential election, the Republican staff of the Senate Finance and Homeland Security committees issued a joint reportwith a startling claim — that Joe Biden’s son Hunter had received a $3.5 million wire transfer from Elena Baturina, a Russian billionaire and the widow of the former mayor of Moscow.
Trump quickly weaponized the factoid, mentioning it 42 times in the final weeks of the campaign. He sharply questioned Biden during the first presidential debate: “They were the ones involved with Russia, turns out not me, it was the opposite. But why did your son get three and a half million from the wife of the mayor of Moscow?”
An attorney for Hunter Biden denied the allegation in 2020 but it has lived on, especially in the right-wing media. Recently Trump called on Putin to reveal what he knows about it.
Trump’s call-out to Putin inspired us to dig deep into this story again. We interviewed people familiar with the transactions, reviewed property and real estate documents and probed for leads in the emails contained on a hard drive copy of the laptop Hunter Biden supposedly left behind for repair in a Delaware shop in April 2019. None of our sources would speak on the record because of continuing investigations of Hunter Biden and his business practices, but we sought confirmation from corporate filings and other records.
The flimsiness of the allegation was apparent from the start merely by carefully reading the Senate GOP report itself.
The executive summary offers a seemingly definitive bullet point almost exactly the same as Johnson’s comment: “Hunter Biden received a $3.5 million wire transfer from Elena Baturina, the wife of the former mayor of Moscow.” But the two pages in the report that deal with this transaction are considerably more nuanced, never saying outright that Hunter Biden received this money and making no claim that any laws were broken.
The GOP report itself does not provide evidence to back up the claim that became a talking point — and our reporting has unearthed the best explanation about what really happened. It’s a complicated story, involving a web of corporate entities, that eventually leads to the purchase of millions of dollars worth of real estate in Brooklyn by the Russian billionaire. We found no evidence that Hunter Biden was part of those transactions.
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It's a question for State. But she isn't an oligarch. She's a wealthy businesswoman but does not control entire industries, which is the definition of an oligarch. She also lives in London and not Russia, so she isn't protected by the Putin gov't. These are all reasonable reasons as to why she would not be sanctioned.JB16057 said:
It's a fair question to ask. I don't have the slightest clue but if we're going after Russian oligarchs and we skip over a couple of them, we should be asking why that happened. Can you agree that is an acceptable question?Halifax2TheMax said:
Please, do tell. With links, please, seeing how you have the hottest and latest news fresh off the presses. Connect them dots. You like dots, don’t you?JB16057 said:
What isn't debunked is why did Biden not sanction Baturina when he sanctioned other Russian oligarchs?Halifax2TheMax said:Past is present. Buh buh buh Hunter.
And because it was debunked and bullshit over a year ago, I guess it’s not relevant?Unraveling the tale of Hunter Biden and $3.5 million from Russia
She [Russian billionaire Elena Baturina] gave him [Hunter Biden] $3.5 million so now I would think [Russian president Vladimir] Putin would know the answer to that. I think he should release it. I think we should know that answer.”
— Former president Donald Trump, in an interview with Just the News, March 29
“The FBI knew of the laptop, knew that Hunter received a $3.5 million wire transfer from the former mayor of Moscow’s wife.”
— Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.), interview on Fox News’s “Sunday Morning Futures,” April 3
Less than 50 days before the 2020 presidential election, the Republican staff of the Senate Finance and Homeland Security committees issued a joint reportwith a startling claim — that Joe Biden’s son Hunter had received a $3.5 million wire transfer from Elena Baturina, a Russian billionaire and the widow of the former mayor of Moscow.
Trump quickly weaponized the factoid, mentioning it 42 times in the final weeks of the campaign. He sharply questioned Biden during the first presidential debate: “They were the ones involved with Russia, turns out not me, it was the opposite. But why did your son get three and a half million from the wife of the mayor of Moscow?”
An attorney for Hunter Biden denied the allegation in 2020 but it has lived on, especially in the right-wing media. Recently Trump called on Putin to reveal what he knows about it.
Trump’s call-out to Putin inspired us to dig deep into this story again. We interviewed people familiar with the transactions, reviewed property and real estate documents and probed for leads in the emails contained on a hard drive copy of the laptop Hunter Biden supposedly left behind for repair in a Delaware shop in April 2019. None of our sources would speak on the record because of continuing investigations of Hunter Biden and his business practices, but we sought confirmation from corporate filings and other records.
The flimsiness of the allegation was apparent from the start merely by carefully reading the Senate GOP report itself.
The executive summary offers a seemingly definitive bullet point almost exactly the same as Johnson’s comment: “Hunter Biden received a $3.5 million wire transfer from Elena Baturina, the wife of the former mayor of Moscow.” But the two pages in the report that deal with this transaction are considerably more nuanced, never saying outright that Hunter Biden received this money and making no claim that any laws were broken.
The GOP report itself does not provide evidence to back up the claim that became a talking point — and our reporting has unearthed the best explanation about what really happened. It’s a complicated story, involving a web of corporate entities, that eventually leads to the purchase of millions of dollars worth of real estate in Brooklyn by the Russian billionaire. We found no evidence that Hunter Biden was part of those transactions.
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CNN, Right wing media..... https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/26/politics/takeaways-hunter-biden-plea-hearing/index.htmlmrussel1 said:
See, this is why you need to stay out of right wing media. Your assessment of what happened last week is inaccurateJB16057 said:
There's still an ongoing investigation into the possible FARA violation(s).mickeyrat said:JB16057 said:
Hunter clearly violated FARA.mrussel1 said:
No laws were broken by Kushner. And no laws were broken by Hunter as it relates to doing business in Ukraine or anywhere else. That's the point. If he didn't pay taxes, then that's a broken law but the DOJ handled that.JB16057 said:
Way bigger red flags? Show me the investigation and more importantly, tell me what laws were broken and when the Trumps are going to jail.Merkin Baller said:
You do know every comment about Hunter getting $2B has been tongue in cheek, don't you?JB16057 said:
...yet you keep bringing up the $2 billion from Saudis. What is the difference between you and I then if we're both chasing something that isnt really there? That would make you just as guilty as I am. Way to change the subject.....Merkin Baller said:
The point is, the Hunter investigation is a crock of shit. If there was anything there they would have uncovered it by now.JB16057 said:
You tell me why not? Your guy is in office and controls the DOJ. Why isn't it being investigated? You are asking me when you should be asking Democrats.Merkin Baller said:
It's not being investigated at all... why not?JB16057 said:
If laws were broken, they should be prosecuted.Merkin Baller said:mickeyrat said:Merkin Baller said:
Are they any closer to finding out why Hunter got $2B from the Saudis?
thats still the great mystery. give them time though. thy have a witness..
Hopefully they're also looking into how he got all those trademarks fast tracked in China while his father was president... since we're all so very seriously concerned about presidential corruption & whatnot.
Meanwhile, "bUrIsMa"!!!
It's not my fault you keep falling for obvious bullshit and can't or won't see it for what it is.
You do know it was Jared Kushner that got $2B from the Saudis, right?
& that $2B from Saudi Arabia, plus Ivanka getting trademarks fast tracked in China while her father was in office and she worked in his administration are way bigger red flags & than anything Hunter's been tied to... you understand that, don't you?
And in neither of these scenarios were laws broken by Joe Biden or Donald Trump.umm sitting on the board of a company isnt in the same universe as libbying the US government on behalf of a foreign nation....so do tell, how was fara violated?
Remember last week when the DOJ tried pushing through the unprecedented plea deal for Hunter? The judge called out how ridiculous the plea deal was because the Hunter investigation is still active.
During normal questioning that happens for every deal, the judge asked each party if they understood the terms. The Biden team believed they were receiving immunity from other charges. The DOJ said no, that Hunter was still under investigation. So Biden's team did not want to do the deal because they misunderstood the terms. The judge told both parties to go back and work out a new deal. Hunter entered a plead of "not guilty" which is just a formality.
The judge did question how the two deals overlapped and didn't understand the mechanics of it. However, the judge did not quash the deal because it was too easy on Hunter. That's completely inaccurate.
Noreika quizzed the lawyers from both sides about the particulars of the tax deal, she sussed out a disagreement between the parties on a critical question: Did the deal protect Hunter from possibly facing additional charges for illegal foreign lobbying, known as FARA (The Foreign Agents Registration Act)? The Justice Department said no, but Hunter Biden’s team thought yes.
After a break, he announced that he was accepting the Justice Department’s position that his client was still at risk of possible FARA charges, with an investigation still underway.Judge questions constitutionality of gun deal
Things then appeared to be back on track and Noreika pressed forward with addressing the separate gun deal.
She said she has “concerns about the constitutionality” of the gun deal because it might violate separation of powers principles.
The diversion agreement – which isn’t often submitted to a judge – has a provision that says if there is a dispute over whether Hunter Biden breached the terms of the deal, it would go to the judge for fact-finding. Noreika questioned why it would “plop” her in the middle of a deal she didn’t have a say in, and potentially block the Justice Department from bringing charges, a function of the executive branch.
The judge asked both parties to file additional legal briefs defending the constitutionality of the plea deal that addresses the firearms charges.
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So where did the judge call out that the deal was "ridiculous"?JB16057 said:
CNN, Right wing media..... https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/26/politics/takeaways-hunter-biden-plea-hearing/index.htmlmrussel1 said:
See, this is why you need to stay out of right wing media. Your assessment of what happened last week is inaccurateJB16057 said:
There's still an ongoing investigation into the possible FARA violation(s).mickeyrat said:JB16057 said:
Hunter clearly violated FARA.mrussel1 said:
No laws were broken by Kushner. And no laws were broken by Hunter as it relates to doing business in Ukraine or anywhere else. That's the point. If he didn't pay taxes, then that's a broken law but the DOJ handled that.JB16057 said:
Way bigger red flags? Show me the investigation and more importantly, tell me what laws were broken and when the Trumps are going to jail.Merkin Baller said:
You do know every comment about Hunter getting $2B has been tongue in cheek, don't you?JB16057 said:
...yet you keep bringing up the $2 billion from Saudis. What is the difference between you and I then if we're both chasing something that isnt really there? That would make you just as guilty as I am. Way to change the subject.....Merkin Baller said:
The point is, the Hunter investigation is a crock of shit. If there was anything there they would have uncovered it by now.JB16057 said:
You tell me why not? Your guy is in office and controls the DOJ. Why isn't it being investigated? You are asking me when you should be asking Democrats.Merkin Baller said:
It's not being investigated at all... why not?JB16057 said:
If laws were broken, they should be prosecuted.Merkin Baller said:mickeyrat said:Merkin Baller said:
Are they any closer to finding out why Hunter got $2B from the Saudis?
thats still the great mystery. give them time though. thy have a witness..
Hopefully they're also looking into how he got all those trademarks fast tracked in China while his father was president... since we're all so very seriously concerned about presidential corruption & whatnot.
Meanwhile, "bUrIsMa"!!!
It's not my fault you keep falling for obvious bullshit and can't or won't see it for what it is.
You do know it was Jared Kushner that got $2B from the Saudis, right?
& that $2B from Saudi Arabia, plus Ivanka getting trademarks fast tracked in China while her father was in office and she worked in his administration are way bigger red flags & than anything Hunter's been tied to... you understand that, don't you?
And in neither of these scenarios were laws broken by Joe Biden or Donald Trump.umm sitting on the board of a company isnt in the same universe as libbying the US government on behalf of a foreign nation....so do tell, how was fara violated?
Remember last week when the DOJ tried pushing through the unprecedented plea deal for Hunter? The judge called out how ridiculous the plea deal was because the Hunter investigation is still active.
During normal questioning that happens for every deal, the judge asked each party if they understood the terms. The Biden team believed they were receiving immunity from other charges. The DOJ said no, that Hunter was still under investigation. So Biden's team did not want to do the deal because they misunderstood the terms. The judge told both parties to go back and work out a new deal. Hunter entered a plead of "not guilty" which is just a formality.
The judge did question how the two deals overlapped and didn't understand the mechanics of it. However, the judge did not quash the deal because it was too easy on Hunter. That's completely inaccurate.
Noreika quizzed the lawyers from both sides about the particulars of the tax deal, she sussed out a disagreement between the parties on a critical question: Did the deal protect Hunter from possibly facing additional charges for illegal foreign lobbying, known as FARA (The Foreign Agents Registration Act)? The Justice Department said no, but Hunter Biden’s team thought yes.
After a break, he announced that he was accepting the Justice Department’s position that his client was still at risk of possible FARA charges, with an investigation still underway.Judge questions constitutionality of gun deal
Things then appeared to be back on track and Noreika pressed forward with addressing the separate gun deal.
She said she has “concerns about the constitutionality” of the gun deal because it might violate separation of powers principles.
The diversion agreement – which isn’t often submitted to a judge – has a provision that says if there is a dispute over whether Hunter Biden breached the terms of the deal, it would go to the judge for fact-finding. Noreika questioned why it would “plop” her in the middle of a deal she didn’t have a say in, and potentially block the Justice Department from bringing charges, a function of the executive branch.
The judge asked both parties to file additional legal briefs defending the constitutionality of the plea deal that addresses the firearms charges.
It's not clear in the least, how the gun deal would violate separation of powers. That statement needs to be fleshed out to opine on it, as we don't have the details. But again, deal one went back to the drawing board because the DOJ confirmed Hunter was not immune from anything. Not exactly sweetheart DOJ in action...0 -
And as already pointed out, Hunter has faced more scrutiny for his alleged crimes on both the taxes and gun charges than your average Joe. But you know, facts.mrussel1 said:
So where did the judge call out that the deal was "ridiculous"?JB16057 said:
CNN, Right wing media..... https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/26/politics/takeaways-hunter-biden-plea-hearing/index.htmlmrussel1 said:
See, this is why you need to stay out of right wing media. Your assessment of what happened last week is inaccurateJB16057 said:
There's still an ongoing investigation into the possible FARA violation(s).mickeyrat said:JB16057 said:
Hunter clearly violated FARA.mrussel1 said:
No laws were broken by Kushner. And no laws were broken by Hunter as it relates to doing business in Ukraine or anywhere else. That's the point. If he didn't pay taxes, then that's a broken law but the DOJ handled that.JB16057 said:
Way bigger red flags? Show me the investigation and more importantly, tell me what laws were broken and when the Trumps are going to jail.Merkin Baller said:
You do know every comment about Hunter getting $2B has been tongue in cheek, don't you?JB16057 said:
...yet you keep bringing up the $2 billion from Saudis. What is the difference between you and I then if we're both chasing something that isnt really there? That would make you just as guilty as I am. Way to change the subject.....Merkin Baller said:
The point is, the Hunter investigation is a crock of shit. If there was anything there they would have uncovered it by now.JB16057 said:
You tell me why not? Your guy is in office and controls the DOJ. Why isn't it being investigated? You are asking me when you should be asking Democrats.Merkin Baller said:
It's not being investigated at all... why not?JB16057 said:
If laws were broken, they should be prosecuted.Merkin Baller said:mickeyrat said:Merkin Baller said:
Are they any closer to finding out why Hunter got $2B from the Saudis?
thats still the great mystery. give them time though. thy have a witness..
Hopefully they're also looking into how he got all those trademarks fast tracked in China while his father was president... since we're all so very seriously concerned about presidential corruption & whatnot.
Meanwhile, "bUrIsMa"!!!
It's not my fault you keep falling for obvious bullshit and can't or won't see it for what it is.
You do know it was Jared Kushner that got $2B from the Saudis, right?
& that $2B from Saudi Arabia, plus Ivanka getting trademarks fast tracked in China while her father was in office and she worked in his administration are way bigger red flags & than anything Hunter's been tied to... you understand that, don't you?
And in neither of these scenarios were laws broken by Joe Biden or Donald Trump.umm sitting on the board of a company isnt in the same universe as libbying the US government on behalf of a foreign nation....so do tell, how was fara violated?
Remember last week when the DOJ tried pushing through the unprecedented plea deal for Hunter? The judge called out how ridiculous the plea deal was because the Hunter investigation is still active.
During normal questioning that happens for every deal, the judge asked each party if they understood the terms. The Biden team believed they were receiving immunity from other charges. The DOJ said no, that Hunter was still under investigation. So Biden's team did not want to do the deal because they misunderstood the terms. The judge told both parties to go back and work out a new deal. Hunter entered a plead of "not guilty" which is just a formality.
The judge did question how the two deals overlapped and didn't understand the mechanics of it. However, the judge did not quash the deal because it was too easy on Hunter. That's completely inaccurate.
Noreika quizzed the lawyers from both sides about the particulars of the tax deal, she sussed out a disagreement between the parties on a critical question: Did the deal protect Hunter from possibly facing additional charges for illegal foreign lobbying, known as FARA (The Foreign Agents Registration Act)? The Justice Department said no, but Hunter Biden’s team thought yes.
After a break, he announced that he was accepting the Justice Department’s position that his client was still at risk of possible FARA charges, with an investigation still underway.Judge questions constitutionality of gun deal
Things then appeared to be back on track and Noreika pressed forward with addressing the separate gun deal.
She said she has “concerns about the constitutionality” of the gun deal because it might violate separation of powers principles.
The diversion agreement – which isn’t often submitted to a judge – has a provision that says if there is a dispute over whether Hunter Biden breached the terms of the deal, it would go to the judge for fact-finding. Noreika questioned why it would “plop” her in the middle of a deal she didn’t have a say in, and potentially block the Justice Department from bringing charges, a function of the executive branch.
The judge asked both parties to file additional legal briefs defending the constitutionality of the plea deal that addresses the firearms charges.
It's not clear in the least, how the gun deal would violate separation of powers. That statement needs to be fleshed out to opine on it, as we don't have the details. But again, deal one went back to the drawing board because the DOJ confirmed Hunter was not immune from anything. Not exactly sweetheart DOJ in action...09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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