I have never seen 1 person in this forum or anywhere else that supports the illegal purchase of firearms, unless you’re talking about something like the Branch Davidians. Most are even okay with stricter laws. Now I don’t think he deserves the 25 years max. But why have gun les if we openly don’t enforce them? Why fight for more les when we don’t enforce the ones we already have? Seems like common sense to hold him accountable to some extent, especially given the gun problem in America.
he is the first person to have these charges filed against him. it is only because his last name is biden.
But your last statement may be right. That’s also had nothing to do with my comment. My comment is you won’t find gun supporters, or at least not a significant portion of them, who crlebreate the purchase of illegal guns that others were claiming.
It probably is true this is rarely charged. But it’s not never. But it’s also probably a little more difficult to prove. How many smokers do you know that quit every month and claim they aren’t addicted? I would imagine it’s hard to prove someone was addicted and lied at the moment they signed that form. But being in the public eye and writing a book about your addictions does make that a lot easier to prove. I’ve asked this several times and no one has answered. How do we have this gun problem that we have, and yet intentionally not follow through on the gun laws that we have? Also seems like the crowd that calls for more gun control are the same ones that want to look the other way for Hunter. There is zero question that he is guilty. The only argument is we shouldn’t be enforcing this law for Hunter. What’s the point of having gun laws if we openly don’t enforce them? Im not saying lock him up for years. Those examples I posted got 3 months. Because of security issues, give him something equivalent, like 6 months probation, 200 hours of community service and 100k fine.
Has anyone here argued that Hunter should be let off the hook for his crimes?
I’m not saying it hasn’t happened, but I don’t recall seeing it.
Regarding the gun charge, I’m all for law & order, I’m also for proportionality. Indict him, take him to trial, have a jury of his peers decide his fate.
Let’s just stop the pearl clutching over this criminal mastermind Hunter Biden already. & let’s also not pretend the relentless investigation into him is about anything other than smearing his father. Hunter isn’t the boogie man the right has made him out to be, but that won’t stop them from talking about him as if he was… there’s an election next year, and everything is on the table to bring down Brandon. Has he mentioned his 7th grandchild yet today?
Has anyone here argued that Hunter should be let off the hook for his crimes?
I’m not saying it hasn’t happened, but I don’t recall seeing it.
Regarding the gun charge, I’m all for law & order, I’m also for proportionality. Indict him, take him to trial, have a jury of his peers decide his fate.
Let’s just stop the pearl clutching over this criminal mastermind Hunter Biden already. & let’s also not pretend the relentless investigation into him is about anything other than smearing his father. Hunter isn’t the boogie man the right has made him out to be, but that won’t stop them from talking about him as if he was… there’s an election next year, and everything is on the table to bring down Brandon. Has he mentioned his 7th grandchild yet today?
I take comments like no one has ever been charged with this and it’s only political to imply he shouldn’t be charged. But you’re right, no one has flat out said let him off the hook.
As I understand it, this law is very rarely enforced. I think I read it usually only gets applied to drug dealers against whom they want to apply as many charges as possible. Maybe it’s because they only catch people in violation of this if they’re investigating all facets of someone’s life looking for things.
Again, I’m all for enforcing gun laws, I’m also for proportionality.
Definitely seems politically motivated and if we're going to enforce gun laws, lets hold those "responsible" gun owners accountable when their unsecured firearms fall into the possession of 4-, 5- and 6-year-olds who then kill someone and all those straw purchasers and sellers that allow facilitate the gun violence in cities and states with strict gun laws. Let me know when you'll harp on that. I look forward to Hunter going to trial and either being found "not guilty" or upon conviction, being pardoned by his crime wave father, Brandon. And if not, oh well, he'll do his time and repubs will go back to demonizing Hillary.
“Lying on an ATF form 4473 is a federal violation and can lead to severe penalties and jail time. Don’t lie and buy.”
— Tweet from the Houston office of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF), Sept. 8, 2021
Form 4473 — the Firearm Transaction Record — is a six-page document that must be filled out whenever someone buys a firearm from a licensed firearm dealer.
The form asks questions including whether the person buying the gun is a felon, whether the person is a fugitive from justice or convicted of domestic abuse, whether the person is addicted to drugs and whether the person is the actual buyer of the firearm.
This tweet by ATF’s Houston office led a swarm of Twitter users to ask why the bureau didn’t charge Hunter Biden, the president’s son, for allegedly lying on Form 4473 when he purchased a handgun in October 2018. The controversy prompted us to request statistics from the Justice Department to determine whether someone falsely filling out the form faced much of a risk of prosecution.
It took months to obtain the data. The answer, it turns out, is no.
The statistics are newly relevant as Congress discusses how to strengthen gun laws in the wake of high-profile mass shootings. This is a prime illustration of how, for a variety of reasons including prosecutorial choices, existing laws are not always rigorously or consistently enforced.
The Facts
Starting with the National Firearms Act of 1938, Congress has sought to limit gun purchases by certain individuals such as fugitives and people convicted of a felony. After high-profile assassinations and the occupation of the California Capitol by armed Black Panthers, President Lyndon B. Johnson urged passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968, which among other things expanded the list of prohibited people to include someone who is “an unlawful user of or addicted to marijuana or any depressant or stimulant drug.”
The reason for adding drug users to the list is a bit obscure, according to experts we consulted. Johnson did not mention the issue in his speech calling for a new gun-control law or in his remarks when signing the bill. But the mid-1960s witnessed the rise of counterculture, with its abundant drug use, while marijuana at the time was often believed by law enforcement to be the drug of choice for people of color.
The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1993, ushered into law by then-Sen. Joe Biden, at the time chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, made Form 4473 a key part of background checks for gun purchases mandated by the law.
Lying on the form is a felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison. For being a user of unlawful drugs in possession of a firearm, the punishment is up to five years.
But according to newly revealed Justice Department records, the odds of being charged for lying on this form are virtually nonexistent. In the 2019 fiscal year, when Hunter Biden purchased his gun, federal prosecutors received 478 referrals for lying on Form 4473 — and filed just 298 cases, according to data extracted from the U.S. attorneys’ case management system. That’s out of approximately 27 million background checks undertaken in a 12-month period.
The numbers were roughly similar for fiscal 2018 (444 referrals and 271 cases) and fiscal 2020 (433 referrals and 243 cases). The data does not indicate the success rate of the prosecutions.
At issue is when Biden answered “no” on the sixth question on the form when purchasing a gun Oct. 12, 2018: “Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?”
According to the U.S. code, “the term ‘addict’ means any individual who habitually uses any narcotic drug so as to endanger the public morals, health, safety, or welfare, or who is so far addicted to the use of narcotic drugs as to have lost the power of self-control with reference to his addiction.”
In a guidance document for the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), ATF has emphasized drug use within the past year could trigger the prohibition on Form 4473. “An inference of current use or possession may be drawn from evidence of a recent use or possession of a controlled substance or a pattern of use or possession that reasonably covers the present time,” the document said. “The ATF has determined that the present time is represented by the time frame of within the past 12 months.”
Biden had been discharged five years earlier from the Navy Reserve for drug use. According to a memoir published in 2021, he was actively using crack cocaine in the year he bought the gun.
In the spring of 2018, “I drove my rental to the Chateau Marmont, in West Hollywood, where I checked into a bungalow and by 4 a.m. had smoked every crumb of crack I’d brought,” Biden wrote in “Beautiful Things.” In the fall of that year, he returned east in an effort to clean up but failed so badly, he writes, that his parents staged an intervention and insisted he go to a rehab center.
Biden said he only walked into the lobby of the center and immediately called an Uber to take him to a hotel for two days. While everyone “thought I was safe and sound at the center, I sat in my room and smoked the crack I’d tucked away in my traveling bag,” he said.
About two weeks after the purchase of the gun, Biden’s then-girlfriend, Hallie, his brother’s widow, threw the .38 revolver into a trash can behind a grocery store across the street from a high school. “I think she believes I was gonna kill myself,” Biden told police, according to the police report obtained by Politico. The gun went missing but was later recovered and no charges were filed.
An attorney for Hunter Biden did not respond to a request for comment.
The data released by the Justice Department does not show how many people might have been prosecuted for falsely answering the question about active drug use. But a review of such cases in Delaware, also provided to The Fact Checker, shows that in fiscal 2019, only three Form 4473 cases were referred for prosecution in the state — and the U.S. attorney opted not to bring them.
Many of the prosecutions concerned obvious instances of “straw buyers,” such as a woman purchasing a gun while on the phone with a friend receiving instructions about what type of gun to buy. Straw buyers are often acting on behalf of people who would not pass a background check, such as a felon. Keeping guns out of the hands of people who already have committed heinous crimes is probably a higher priority than a drug abuser.
The names in the referrals were redacted for privacy reasons, but a Justice Department official said none of the referrals mentioned Hunter Biden.
A 1990 Justice Department feasibility study noted how difficult it was to bring cases against people who falsely answer questions on Form 4473. Unlike the rich paper trail that exists for felons, no such record exists for drug abusers, the study said, noting that it is against the law to disclose “the medical records of persons who have been engaged in a drug rehabilitation program funded by the federal government.”
Erik Longnecker, an ATF spokesman, said only that “the tweet is accurate.” He referred questions about the pace of prosecutions to the Justice Department.
In a statement to The Fact Checker, another Justice Department official indicated that the Form 4473 cases were determined not to have enough evidence for a successful prosecution.
“Declinations of matters referred to a U.S. attorney’s office can occur for a variety of reasons,” the statement said. “Initial declinations typically occur when the prosecutor makes an immediate determination that a matter is not sufficient or suitable for prosecution. The large majority of ‘later declinations’ — declinations where a USAO has delved into the facts and circumstances of the matter — show that suspects investigated [under false-statement statues] were declined for federal prosecution due to a lack of sufficient evidence in the matter referred.”
Maybe freedom of speech needs to be reigned in some in the form of when there is no basis in truth or fact, you should be sued and if found liable, face criminal charges? Obtaining someone's bank records should also be investigated and prosecuted if the transfer was a violation of law. I can't see how its "freedom of speech" to ruin someone's reputation, and not that Hunter hasn't already done it to himself but at what point is "freedom of speech" harassment? Particularly seeing how Hunter has no official role in the administration. No wonder the talented who might be excellent politicians don't want to run for office. Who would want their kids' life to be torn apart and posted online? Guy sounds like a real catch and its what you do when you have no policy to speak of.
The scorched-earth activist trying to take down Hunter Biden
Garrett Ziegler, an often-provocative former Trump White House staffer, seeks to influence House investigations and the public discussion
When Lunden Roberts needed an expert to help prove that Hunter Biden had the money to keep making substantial child support payments for their 4-year-old daughter, her legal team turned to Garrett Ziegler.
Ziegler doesn’t have a degree in personal finance. He doesn’t personally know the president’s son. But Ziegler, whose first job out of college was working as a low-level aide in the Trump White House, has fashioned himself into a Hunter Biden specialist, compiling personal and financial records from anywhere he can get them. Then, his nonprofit posts them online.
Ziegler claims this cache offers the fullest accounting of Hunter Biden’s life, from his battles with drug addiction to his sexual escapades to his business dealings. “In the Western world, I’m confident that nobody has dug into the American first family more than us,” he said recently on YouTube. “I’ve just become obsessed with studying the family.”
Ziegler, 27, enjoys a following of tens of thousands on social media and the attention of conservative media. He has made himself a chief antagonist of the younger Biden, prompting lawsuits, an Internal Revenue Service complaint and other legal pushback from Hunter Biden’s circle.
Ziegler is at the vanguard of a sprawling network of Biden antagonists, from right-wing media organizations to congressional leaders to MAGA activists, that is focused intensely on the president’s son. They see Hunter Biden’s activities as his father’s biggest political vulnerability, a conclusion reflected in the House GOP’s recent decision to launch an impeachment inquiry.
On Wednesday, Hunter Biden sued Ziegler in federal court in California, alleging that the activist had violated privacy laws and calling him “a zealot who has waged a sustained, unhinged and obsessed campaign against [Hunter Biden] and the entire Biden family for more than two years.”
After Ziegler, who served as a staffer for Trump aide Peter Navarro, a MAGA hard-liner and election denier, left the White House in early 2021, he began focusing his attention on President Biden’s son, turning his formidable energy to unearthing every detail he could. Ziegler received some of Hunter Biden’s financial records, saying he got them from someone who worked at Biden’s bank. He has delved into Hunter Biden’s business dealings. He even acquired a copy of the diary of Ashley Biden, Hunter’s sister.
But his biggest project has been mining embarrassing information, including nude photos and videos, from what appears to be a personal laptop that Hunter Biden left at a repair shop in April 2019. Ziegler said in an interview that he got a hard drive with the purported contents of the laptop from Rudy Giuliani before the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol.
In October 2022, Ziegler announced that the nonprofit he founded, Marco Polo, had published a voluminous report on the laptop, claiming to have unearthed at least 459 criminal or regulatory violations. This claim has not been verified, and Hunter Biden’s team dismisses it as absurd. (The Washington Post has also obtained a hard drive purportedly from the laptop and authenticated some of its contents.)
“We want (our report) to be on coffee tables and bookshelves and be brought out whenever you hear something in the news,” Ziegler said in the interview. On his Telegram page, where he has a following of about 100,000, he added, “We believe that it is the deepest digital colonoscopy ever performed on a sitting U.S. first family.”
Ziegler has a smaller following than some better-known conservative firebrands. But that relatively low profile allows him to unleash inflammatory attacks with less scrutiny, said Jared Holt, who researches extremists for the Institute for Strategic Dialogue think tank.
“There’s an incentive for him to take the extra step and to be just a little more outrageous, because it’s the sort of audience he’s cultivated and the part of the ecosystem he fits into,” Holt said.
Some of Hunter Biden’s associates worry that Ziegler, with his sometimes-wild theorizing combined with an encyclopedic knowledge of Hunter Biden’s history, will influence the public discussion as well as the House probes of the president’s son.
Ziegler argues that he is filling a vital role by scrutinizing the Bidens, particularly because in his view Republicans are not going after Hunter Biden hard enough. “The right wing has totally f---ed up this response,” he said. “It’s been frustrating at the pace. Now we’re seven months in, and I don’t think they’ve subpoenaed Hunter.”
To Democrats, Ziegler and his efforts embody all that is wrong with an era when a single individual can use the internet to humiliate and smear his chosen target. Hunter Biden is a recovering drug addict who has experienced tragedy in his life, they say, and whatever his flaws, they have no bearing on the president’s performance.
Ziegler has “shown himself as a reckless, irresponsible chaos agent,” said Rep. Eric Swalwell (D-Calif.), a House Judiciary Committee member. At a hearing in July, Swalwell raised concerns about Ziegler’s postings attacking federal law enforcement agents.
Ziegler contends that his aggressive actions are justified because his ultimate target is not Hunter Biden, but the president. He asserts that Hunter Biden has been involved for decades in shady business deals with China-based firms and the president has known about it, making the senior Biden beholden to China.
“My focus is never on Hunter Biden — it’s only Hunter’s relationship to Joe,” Ziegler said. “My whole obsession with the Bidens starts and ends with Joe. It doesn’t start and end with Hunter.”
Hunter Biden’s legal team has not taken kindly to Ziegler’s efforts. In his recent lawsuit, Hunter alleges that Ziegler and the other members of his nonprofit illegally hacked into portions of Biden’s laptop that were encrypted, saying they ignored demands to cease and desist, an allegation Ziegler disputes. Ziegler says he would not “honor” cease-and-desist requests in this matter because he believes his actions have been lawful.
Last February, Hunter Biden’s attorney Abbe Lowell challenged the tax-exempt status of Marco Polo’s parent company, ICU, writing to the IRS that it “has operated as little more than a thinly disguised political operation to attack the Biden administration and the Biden family.” Ziegler said that his personal criticism of the Bidens does not reflect the official views of his nonprofit.
Hunter Biden’s friend and benefactor Kevin Morris has also sued Ziegler, accusing him of harassment and doxing. After the child support settlement, for example, Ziegler posted the coordinates of Morris’s plane on his public Telegram page and speculated about Morris’s potential travels. Ziegler’s attorneys have argued in court filings that he was exercising his free-speech rights.
In one of his most notable moves, Ziegler joined the contentious child support case between Roberts, an Arkansas resident, and Hunter Biden over their 4-year-old daughter, Navy. Hunter Biden initially contested his paternity of the girl until a DNA test proved the relationship, and he has said he remembers little of his relationship with Roberts because it occurred when he was in a spiral of drug addiction.
Roberts’s lawyers, in seeking to have Ziegler designated an expert witness, contended in a court filing that he was “an expert in Hunter Biden, his life, finances, personal history, financial history, the Biden Companies, and the manner in which the Biden family interacts interpersonally and financially.”
Hunter Biden’s attorneys initially objected to Ziegler’s inclusion — complaining of his lack of relevant expertise, his “background,” and his purported grudge against the Biden family — but ultimately relented. Ziegler gave a deposition, which remains sealed, but he never testified publicly in the case. Hunter Biden and Roberts ultimately reached a settlement on child support.
More relevant to the just-launched impeachment inquiry is Hunter Biden’s business career, a subject that has been of great interest to Ziegler. Hunter Biden has denied wrongdoing in his financial dealings, and there has been no publicly available evidence connecting his father to criminal behavior.
Federal prosecutors spent more than four years investigating the president’s son, reaching a deal in June for him to plead guilty to two minor tax crimes and admit to the facts of a gun offense. After that deal fell apart, the prosecutor investigating the case was named a special counsel, and he recently obtained an indictment against Hunter Biden on the gun charges, suggesting the case may go to trial.
Beyond the president’s son, Ziegler’s broader messaging often conveys a far-right worldview that derides certain groups.
He promotes posts of inflammatory memes and conspiracy theories. He has shared rhetoric saying that Christians are better than others and that White people have been particularly persecuted. He has promoted photoshopped images of women he dislikes in compromising positions with Hunter Biden.
Before working in the Trump administration, Ziegler had few ties to politics. Aside from his cousin Ron Ziegler, who was press secretary for President Richard M. Nixon, his family mostly worked in agriculture and insurance, he told his hometown newspaper in Illinois in 2018. He graduated from St. Louis University in 2018 with a degree in economics before moving to Washington. He and his wife, Allie, have since moved back to Illinois, where he portrays himself on social media as a devout Lutheran and family man.
In the White House, Ziegler worked for Navarro, one of Trump’s most outspoken advisers, who was recently convicted of contempt of Congress after he declined to cooperate with the House committee investigation into the Jan. 6 attack. In his White House role, Ziegler wrote reports about Chinese tariffs (which he argued the U.S. should reciprocate), the covid-19 pandemic (which he argued was planned) and the 2020 election (which he argued was stolen).
Ziegler eventually came to the attention of the Jan. 6 committee, which questioned him about his role in a turbulent White House meeting shortly after the 2020 election that featured a confrontation between some Trump associates who were pushing the president to try to stay in power and a group of aides warning against it.
After being questioned by the committee in July 2022, Ziegler unleashed a 27-minute inflammatory tirade on his Telegram page calling the investigation discriminatory against White people and using sexist slurs to describe female ex-colleagues who cooperated with the committee.
“They see me as a young Christian who they can try to basically scare, right?” Ziegler said. Calling the probe “a Bolshevistic anti-White campaign,” Ziegler added that he is “the least racist person that many of you have ever met, by the way.”
He has accused several Biden allies of being Bolsheviks, prompting Jonathan Greenblatt, the chief executive of the Anti-Defamation League, to note that such words are “often used as a code for Jews.” Ziegler rejected any criticism from the group, saying that any ADL position is “probably a good indication of what I believe to be the exact opposite case.”
Seems he might be into kiddie porn to boot. Maybe his laptop should be investigated?
Ziegler also has posted, on his Telegram page, photos of his targets’ daughters wearing bathing suits or partying with friends, sometimes ridiculing the girls’ appearances. In other posts he has shared with his following, women are mocked for being bad drivers or purportedly being biologically unfit for military combat.
Ziegler said his attacks on the women are legitimate, even if they are private citizens, because their public photos are “degenerate.” He said he does not agree with every post he shares with his followers; he was joking when he forwarded memes about women’s driving skills, he said, but he does not believe women should serve on the military front lines.
Ziegler has also shared posts by white supremacist Nick Fuentes and claimed there is a “war on Whites.” Liberal activist David Brock, whose group Facts First USA has tracked Ziegler’s online comments, said he has warned lawmakers, journalists and others about Ziegler’s rhetoric, urging them to keep their distance. “He doesn’t belong within 100 miles of Congress or a courtroom,” Brock said in an interview.
Ziegler said he does not agree with all of Fuentes’s views, but he does believe that White people are unfairly persecuted, citing government efforts to seek a more diverse workforce. He is a “Christian and a nationalist,” he said, but not a Christian nationalist.
House Republicans are ramping up their efforts to investigate Hunter Biden, culminating in an instruction by House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) to House committees on Sept. 12 to open an impeachment inquiry into President Biden centered on his son’s business dealings, some of the same areas that Ziegler has probed.
Ziegler said he has made contacts within GOP congressional offices and given them copies of the report on Hunter Biden’s laptop, though he declined to name specific lawmakers.
Some members of Congress, however, have publicly mentioned the report. Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) said in an interview with NBC’s Chuck Todd that “you ought to read the Marco Polo report where they detail all kinds of potential crimes.” (Todd responded that citing “potential” crimes is “innuendo.”) Rep. James Comer (R-Ky.) told Newsmax the “positive thing” about the report is its inclusion of banking records.
“The response has been obviously grateful” from Republicans receiving the report, Ziegler said. He added: “Sometimes they’ve had an aversion to hearing me out — and then once they looked at our work or site … ,” trailing off.
At one recent congressional hearing, after Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) displayed what appeared to be nude photos of Hunter Biden, Democrats noted that she had displayed the photos in the same order and with similar redactions as in the Marco Polo report. Greene’s office did not respond when asked if the photos came from Ziegler or his nonprofit, but he suggested they did.
“Some of our screenshots in the report were utilized,” Ziegler said in the interview. “So I’ve been somewhat pleased.”
I have never seen 1 person in this forum or anywhere else that supports the illegal purchase of firearms, unless you’re talking about something like the Branch Davidians. Most are even okay with stricter laws. Now I don’t think he deserves the 25 years max. But why have gun les if we openly don’t enforce them? Why fight for more les when we don’t enforce the ones we already have? Seems like common sense to hold him accountable to some extent, especially given the gun problem in America.
he is the first person to have these charges filed against him. it is only because his last name is biden.
But your last statement may be right. That’s also had nothing to do with my comment. My comment is you won’t find gun supporters, or at least not a significant portion of them, who crlebreate the purchase of illegal guns that others were claiming.
It probably is true this is rarely charged. But it’s not never. But it’s also probably a little more difficult to prove. How many smokers do you know that quit every month and claim they aren’t addicted? I would imagine it’s hard to prove someone was addicted and lied at the moment they signed that form. But being in the public eye and writing a book about your addictions does make that a lot easier to prove. I’ve asked this several times and no one has answered. How do we have this gun problem that we have, and yet intentionally not follow through on the gun laws that we have? Also seems like the crowd that calls for more gun control are the same ones that want to look the other way for Hunter. There is zero question that he is guilty. The only argument is we shouldn’t be enforcing this law for Hunter. What’s the point of having gun laws if we openly don’t enforce them? Im not saying lock him up for years. Those examples I posted got 3 months. Because of security issues, give him something equivalent, like 6 months probation, 200 hours of community service and 100k fine.
Oh please...there is a significant number or voters and GOP lawmakers who don't even want to expand background checks.
I'm all for gun laws...even laws that don't exist yet
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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Let me know when you think it’s not political. Now, how about Thomas and Alito and their tax returns? And let’s see the calendar of gifts cross referenced with their rulings.
Hunter Biden sues IRS over disclosures
The lawsuit over IRS agent interviews with Congress and the press comes as a special counsel weighs charging him with tax crimes
President Biden’s son Hunter Biden filed a lawsuit Monday against the Internal Revenue Service, charging that when agents who were investigating him told Congress and news reporters about their concerns that the case was not being managed properly, they violated his privacy rights as a taxpayer.
The lawsuit comes amid criminal charges and escalating legal battles surrounding the younger Biden, a failed plea deal and a nearly five-year investigation into his finances, taxes and a gun purchase.
Biden’s lawsuit says that while he has “all the same responsibilities as any other American citizen,” he also “has no fewer or lesser rights than any other American citizen, and no government agency or government agent has free reign to violate his rights simply because of who he is.”
Biden charges in the lawsuit that when two IRS agents went to Congress and news organizations complaining of alleged mishandling of the investigation by Justice Department officials, they disclosed information about the investigation, and about Biden’s taxes, that the law aims to keep secret.
“This assault on Mr. Biden’s rights involved the public disclosure of his confidential tax information during more than 20 nationally televised and non-congressionally sanctioned interviews and numerous public statements,” the lawsuit charges.
The disclosures included “detailed allegations regarding the specific tax years under investigation, the amounts of deductions, the nature of those deductions, and allegations of liability regarding specific tax years and the amount thereof, that could only be known to them based on a review of the physical tax returns themselves,” the lawsuit contends.
In recent months, Biden’s legal team has fired a number of legal salvos at those who have accused him of committing crimes and tried to implicate his father, President Biden, in the alleged wrongdoing.
The IRS lawsuit is Biden’s most aggressive move yet on that front, but it also comes at a time when he is besieged by legal issues.
Special counsel David Weiss may soon file a new indictment against Hunter Biden in another federal court — potentially in California — over alleged tax crimes that the agents say they found in reviewing his finances from 2014 to 2019.
Also Monday, Biden’s lawyer Abbe Lowell fired off an angry letter to Rep. Jason T. Smith (R-Mo.), arguing that one of the improper disclosures about his client’s taxes in 2018 does not account for what Biden eventually paid later.
Biden previously paid more than $900,000 to the IRS as he tried to resolve the investigation, Lowell said. Biden’s lawyers and accountants believe he “overstated certain items of taxable income” for that year and is now, in fact, owed a refund.
“Mr. Biden will take all necessary steps to secure the refund of any and all overpayments of tax,” Lowell wrote.
I think Hunter has every right to be upset and to sue. I wonder if he can't sue certain committee chairs as well. He is not a gov't employee and I would argue that he's a 'national' figure only because the Republicans made him one.
I think Hunter has every right to be upset and to sue. I wonder if he can't sue certain committee chairs as well. He is not a gov't employee and I would argue that he's a 'national' figure only because the Republicans made him one.
yeah it's jacked up...years ago we could call the IRS and just act like we were the taxpayer. As long as we had the SSN we were good.
Then they started requiring SSN and date of birth since the dob isn't included anywhere on the return.
Now they won't discuss shit unless you have a signed POA...they even ask me my SSN/DOB to prove my identity.
Hunter's personal info was clearly violated.
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
I have never seen 1 person in this forum or anywhere else that supports the illegal purchase of firearms, unless you’re talking about something like the Branch Davidians. Most are even okay with stricter laws. Now I don’t think he deserves the 25 years max. But why have gun les if we openly don’t enforce them? Why fight for more les when we don’t enforce the ones we already have? Seems like common sense to hold him accountable to some extent, especially given the gun problem in America.
he is the first person to have these charges filed against him. it is only because his last name is biden.
But your last statement may be right. That’s also had nothing to do with my comment. My comment is you won’t find gun supporters, or at least not a significant portion of them, who crlebreate the purchase of illegal guns that others were claiming.
It probably is true this is rarely charged. But it’s not never. But it’s also probably a little more difficult to prove. How many smokers do you know that quit every month and claim they aren’t addicted? I would imagine it’s hard to prove someone was addicted and lied at the moment they signed that form. But being in the public eye and writing a book about your addictions does make that a lot easier to prove. I’ve asked this several times and no one has answered. How do we have this gun problem that we have, and yet intentionally not follow through on the gun laws that we have? Also seems like the crowd that calls for more gun control are the same ones that want to look the other way for Hunter. There is zero question that he is guilty. The only argument is we shouldn’t be enforcing this law for Hunter. What’s the point of having gun laws if we openly don’t enforce them? Im not saying lock him up for years. Those examples I posted got 3 months. Because of security issues, give him something equivalent, like 6 months probation, 200 hours of community service and 100k fine.
Oh please...there is a significant number or voters and GOP lawmakers who don't even want to expand background checks.
I'm all for gun laws...even laws that don't exist yet
Don’t most polls say even the majority of gun owners are for basic gun restrictions like universal background checks?
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The Juggler
Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,359
I have never seen 1 person in this forum or anywhere else that supports the illegal purchase of firearms, unless you’re talking about something like the Branch Davidians. Most are even okay with stricter laws. Now I don’t think he deserves the 25 years max. But why have gun les if we openly don’t enforce them? Why fight for more les when we don’t enforce the ones we already have? Seems like common sense to hold him accountable to some extent, especially given the gun problem in America.
he is the first person to have these charges filed against him. it is only because his last name is biden.
But your last statement may be right. That’s also had nothing to do with my comment. My comment is you won’t find gun supporters, or at least not a significant portion of them, who crlebreate the purchase of illegal guns that others were claiming.
It probably is true this is rarely charged. But it’s not never. But it’s also probably a little more difficult to prove. How many smokers do you know that quit every month and claim they aren’t addicted? I would imagine it’s hard to prove someone was addicted and lied at the moment they signed that form. But being in the public eye and writing a book about your addictions does make that a lot easier to prove. I’ve asked this several times and no one has answered. How do we have this gun problem that we have, and yet intentionally not follow through on the gun laws that we have? Also seems like the crowd that calls for more gun control are the same ones that want to look the other way for Hunter. There is zero question that he is guilty. The only argument is we shouldn’t be enforcing this law for Hunter. What’s the point of having gun laws if we openly don’t enforce them? Im not saying lock him up for years. Those examples I posted got 3 months. Because of security issues, give him something equivalent, like 6 months probation, 200 hours of community service and 100k fine.
Oh please...there is a significant number or voters and GOP lawmakers who don't even want to expand background checks.
I'm all for gun laws...even laws that don't exist yet
Don’t most polls say even the majority of gun owners are for basic gun restrictions like universal background checks?
Yes. It is a shame that one of the two major political parties is the one standing in the way
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mickeyrat
up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 36,004
I have never seen 1 person in this forum or anywhere else that supports the illegal purchase of firearms, unless you’re talking about something like the Branch Davidians. Most are even okay with stricter laws. Now I don’t think he deserves the 25 years max. But why have gun les if we openly don’t enforce them? Why fight for more les when we don’t enforce the ones we already have? Seems like common sense to hold him accountable to some extent, especially given the gun problem in America.
he is the first person to have these charges filed against him. it is only because his last name is biden.
But your last statement may be right. That’s also had nothing to do with my comment. My comment is you won’t find gun supporters, or at least not a significant portion of them, who crlebreate the purchase of illegal guns that others were claiming.
It probably is true this is rarely charged. But it’s not never. But it’s also probably a little more difficult to prove. How many smokers do you know that quit every month and claim they aren’t addicted? I would imagine it’s hard to prove someone was addicted and lied at the moment they signed that form. But being in the public eye and writing a book about your addictions does make that a lot easier to prove. I’ve asked this several times and no one has answered. How do we have this gun problem that we have, and yet intentionally not follow through on the gun laws that we have? Also seems like the crowd that calls for more gun control are the same ones that want to look the other way for Hunter. There is zero question that he is guilty. The only argument is we shouldn’t be enforcing this law for Hunter. What’s the point of having gun laws if we openly don’t enforce them? Im not saying lock him up for years. Those examples I posted got 3 months. Because of security issues, give him something equivalent, like 6 months probation, 200 hours of community service and 100k fine.
Oh please...there is a significant number or voters and GOP lawmakers who don't even want to expand background checks.
I'm all for gun laws...even laws that don't exist yet
Don’t most polls say even the majority of gun owners are for basic gun restrictions like universal background checks?
since when did the gop give a flying fuck what the average citizen much less the vast majority of gun owning nra members?
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The Juggler
Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,359
I have never seen 1 person in this forum or anywhere else that supports the illegal purchase of firearms, unless you’re talking about something like the Branch Davidians. Most are even okay with stricter laws. Now I don’t think he deserves the 25 years max. But why have gun les if we openly don’t enforce them? Why fight for more les when we don’t enforce the ones we already have? Seems like common sense to hold him accountable to some extent, especially given the gun problem in America.
he is the first person to have these charges filed against him. it is only because his last name is biden.
But your last statement may be right. That’s also had nothing to do with my comment. My comment is you won’t find gun supporters, or at least not a significant portion of them, who crlebreate the purchase of illegal guns that others were claiming.
It probably is true this is rarely charged. But it’s not never. But it’s also probably a little more difficult to prove. How many smokers do you know that quit every month and claim they aren’t addicted? I would imagine it’s hard to prove someone was addicted and lied at the moment they signed that form. But being in the public eye and writing a book about your addictions does make that a lot easier to prove. I’ve asked this several times and no one has answered. How do we have this gun problem that we have, and yet intentionally not follow through on the gun laws that we have? Also seems like the crowd that calls for more gun control are the same ones that want to look the other way for Hunter. There is zero question that he is guilty. The only argument is we shouldn’t be enforcing this law for Hunter. What’s the point of having gun laws if we openly don’t enforce them? Im not saying lock him up for years. Those examples I posted got 3 months. Because of security issues, give him something equivalent, like 6 months probation, 200 hours of community service and 100k fine.
Oh please...there is a significant number or voters and GOP lawmakers who don't even want to expand background checks.
I'm all for gun laws...even laws that don't exist yet
Don’t most polls say even the majority of gun owners are for basic gun restrictions like universal background checks?
since when did the gop give a flying fuck what the average citizen much less the vast majority of gun owning nra members?
I have never seen 1 person in this forum or anywhere else that supports the illegal purchase of firearms, unless you’re talking about something like the Branch Davidians. Most are even okay with stricter laws. Now I don’t think he deserves the 25 years max. But why have gun les if we openly don’t enforce them? Why fight for more les when we don’t enforce the ones we already have? Seems like common sense to hold him accountable to some extent, especially given the gun problem in America.
he is the first person to have these charges filed against him. it is only because his last name is biden.
But your last statement may be right. That’s also had nothing to do with my comment. My comment is you won’t find gun supporters, or at least not a significant portion of them, who crlebreate the purchase of illegal guns that others were claiming.
It probably is true this is rarely charged. But it’s not never. But it’s also probably a little more difficult to prove. How many smokers do you know that quit every month and claim they aren’t addicted? I would imagine it’s hard to prove someone was addicted and lied at the moment they signed that form. But being in the public eye and writing a book about your addictions does make that a lot easier to prove. I’ve asked this several times and no one has answered. How do we have this gun problem that we have, and yet intentionally not follow through on the gun laws that we have? Also seems like the crowd that calls for more gun control are the same ones that want to look the other way for Hunter. There is zero question that he is guilty. The only argument is we shouldn’t be enforcing this law for Hunter. What’s the point of having gun laws if we openly don’t enforce them? Im not saying lock him up for years. Those examples I posted got 3 months. Because of security issues, give him something equivalent, like 6 months probation, 200 hours of community service and 100k fine.
Oh please...there is a significant number or voters and GOP lawmakers who don't even want to expand background checks.
I'm all for gun laws...even laws that don't exist yet
Don’t most polls say even the majority of gun owners are for basic gun restrictions like universal background checks?
since when did the gop give a flying fuck what the average citizen much less the vast majority of gun owning nra members?
My comment was in response to "the dude bought a gun, the right should be overjoyed." I know that was a joke, trying to make fun of the hypocrisy of the right prosecuting someone for buying a gun.
But what is "the right"? I take that to mean anyone who identifies as a conservative or repub, does it not? And not just the politicians in office. And the truth is the overwhelming majority, something like 80% of the right, support basic gun laws. Ones like universal background checks. Have the dems tried passing just a simple bill like that? Or do they contain a lot more fillers that they try to pass too?
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The Juggler
Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,359
I have never seen 1 person in this forum or anywhere else that supports the illegal purchase of firearms, unless you’re talking about something like the Branch Davidians. Most are even okay with stricter laws. Now I don’t think he deserves the 25 years max. But why have gun les if we openly don’t enforce them? Why fight for more les when we don’t enforce the ones we already have? Seems like common sense to hold him accountable to some extent, especially given the gun problem in America.
he is the first person to have these charges filed against him. it is only because his last name is biden.
But your last statement may be right. That’s also had nothing to do with my comment. My comment is you won’t find gun supporters, or at least not a significant portion of them, who crlebreate the purchase of illegal guns that others were claiming.
It probably is true this is rarely charged. But it’s not never. But it’s also probably a little more difficult to prove. How many smokers do you know that quit every month and claim they aren’t addicted? I would imagine it’s hard to prove someone was addicted and lied at the moment they signed that form. But being in the public eye and writing a book about your addictions does make that a lot easier to prove. I’ve asked this several times and no one has answered. How do we have this gun problem that we have, and yet intentionally not follow through on the gun laws that we have? Also seems like the crowd that calls for more gun control are the same ones that want to look the other way for Hunter. There is zero question that he is guilty. The only argument is we shouldn’t be enforcing this law for Hunter. What’s the point of having gun laws if we openly don’t enforce them? Im not saying lock him up for years. Those examples I posted got 3 months. Because of security issues, give him something equivalent, like 6 months probation, 200 hours of community service and 100k fine.
Oh please...there is a significant number or voters and GOP lawmakers who don't even want to expand background checks.
I'm all for gun laws...even laws that don't exist yet
Don’t most polls say even the majority of gun owners are for basic gun restrictions like universal background checks?
since when did the gop give a flying fuck what the average citizen much less the vast majority of gun owning nra members?
My comment was in response to "the dude bought a gun, the right should be overjoyed." I know that was a joke, trying to make fun of the hypocrisy of the right prosecuting someone for buying a gun.
But what is "the right"? I take that to mean anyone who identifies as a conservative or repub, does it not? And not just the politicians in office. And the truth is the overwhelming majority, something like 80% of the right, support basic gun laws. Ones like universal background checks. Have the dems tried passing just a simple bill like that? Or do they contain a lot more fillers that they try to pass too?
Are you actually trying to insinuate it is the democrats standing in the way of a universal background check bill?
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mickeyrat
up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 36,004
I have never seen 1 person in this forum or anywhere else that supports the illegal purchase of firearms, unless you’re talking about something like the Branch Davidians. Most are even okay with stricter laws. Now I don’t think he deserves the 25 years max. But why have gun les if we openly don’t enforce them? Why fight for more les when we don’t enforce the ones we already have? Seems like common sense to hold him accountable to some extent, especially given the gun problem in America.
he is the first person to have these charges filed against him. it is only because his last name is biden.
But your last statement may be right. That’s also had nothing to do with my comment. My comment is you won’t find gun supporters, or at least not a significant portion of them, who crlebreate the purchase of illegal guns that others were claiming.
It probably is true this is rarely charged. But it’s not never. But it’s also probably a little more difficult to prove. How many smokers do you know that quit every month and claim they aren’t addicted? I would imagine it’s hard to prove someone was addicted and lied at the moment they signed that form. But being in the public eye and writing a book about your addictions does make that a lot easier to prove. I’ve asked this several times and no one has answered. How do we have this gun problem that we have, and yet intentionally not follow through on the gun laws that we have? Also seems like the crowd that calls for more gun control are the same ones that want to look the other way for Hunter. There is zero question that he is guilty. The only argument is we shouldn’t be enforcing this law for Hunter. What’s the point of having gun laws if we openly don’t enforce them? Im not saying lock him up for years. Those examples I posted got 3 months. Because of security issues, give him something equivalent, like 6 months probation, 200 hours of community service and 100k fine.
Oh please...there is a significant number or voters and GOP lawmakers who don't even want to expand background checks.
I'm all for gun laws...even laws that don't exist yet
Don’t most polls say even the majority of gun owners are for basic gun restrictions like universal background checks?
since when did the gop give a flying fuck what the average citizen much less the vast majority of gun owning nra members?
My comment was in response to "the dude bought a gun, the right should be overjoyed." I know that was a joke, trying to make fun of the hypocrisy of the right prosecuting someone for buying a gun.
But what is "the right"? I take that to mean anyone who identifies as a conservative or repub, does it not? And not just the politicians in office. And the truth is the overwhelming majority, something like 80% of the right, support basic gun laws. Ones like universal background checks. Have the dems tried passing just a simple bill like that? Or do they contain a lot more fillers that they try to pass too?
since when has those in the gop in congress and the senate GIVE A FLYING FUCK WHAT THEIR OWN CONSTITUENCIES WANT AND ARE FOR?
Special interests(NRA) and Corporations rule that party.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I have never seen 1 person in this forum or anywhere else that supports the illegal purchase of firearms, unless you’re talking about something like the Branch Davidians. Most are even okay with stricter laws. Now I don’t think he deserves the 25 years max. But why have gun les if we openly don’t enforce them? Why fight for more les when we don’t enforce the ones we already have? Seems like common sense to hold him accountable to some extent, especially given the gun problem in America.
he is the first person to have these charges filed against him. it is only because his last name is biden.
But your last statement may be right. That’s also had nothing to do with my comment. My comment is you won’t find gun supporters, or at least not a significant portion of them, who crlebreate the purchase of illegal guns that others were claiming.
It probably is true this is rarely charged. But it’s not never. But it’s also probably a little more difficult to prove. How many smokers do you know that quit every month and claim they aren’t addicted? I would imagine it’s hard to prove someone was addicted and lied at the moment they signed that form. But being in the public eye and writing a book about your addictions does make that a lot easier to prove. I’ve asked this several times and no one has answered. How do we have this gun problem that we have, and yet intentionally not follow through on the gun laws that we have? Also seems like the crowd that calls for more gun control are the same ones that want to look the other way for Hunter. There is zero question that he is guilty. The only argument is we shouldn’t be enforcing this law for Hunter. What’s the point of having gun laws if we openly don’t enforce them? Im not saying lock him up for years. Those examples I posted got 3 months. Because of security issues, give him something equivalent, like 6 months probation, 200 hours of community service and 100k fine.
Oh please...there is a significant number or voters and GOP lawmakers who don't even want to expand background checks.
I'm all for gun laws...even laws that don't exist yet
Don’t most polls say even the majority of gun owners are for basic gun restrictions like universal background checks?
I believe so...but the GOP loudmouths are the ones pushing for no restrictions. I understand that they are likely outnumbered but they're the loudest.
I think my point was that those same loudmouths should be defending Hunter right now
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I guess the “vast majority of repub and con voters” are represented by just 8 repub house members and certainly not at all by Moscow Mitchy baby. Ignorance is bliss.
I have never seen 1 person in this forum or anywhere else that supports the illegal purchase of firearms, unless you’re talking about something like the Branch Davidians. Most are even okay with stricter laws. Now I don’t think he deserves the 25 years max. But why have gun les if we openly don’t enforce them? Why fight for more les when we don’t enforce the ones we already have? Seems like common sense to hold him accountable to some extent, especially given the gun problem in America.
he is the first person to have these charges filed against him. it is only because his last name is biden.
But your last statement may be right. That’s also had nothing to do with my comment. My comment is you won’t find gun supporters, or at least not a significant portion of them, who crlebreate the purchase of illegal guns that others were claiming.
It probably is true this is rarely charged. But it’s not never. But it’s also probably a little more difficult to prove. How many smokers do you know that quit every month and claim they aren’t addicted? I would imagine it’s hard to prove someone was addicted and lied at the moment they signed that form. But being in the public eye and writing a book about your addictions does make that a lot easier to prove. I’ve asked this several times and no one has answered. How do we have this gun problem that we have, and yet intentionally not follow through on the gun laws that we have? Also seems like the crowd that calls for more gun control are the same ones that want to look the other way for Hunter. There is zero question that he is guilty. The only argument is we shouldn’t be enforcing this law for Hunter. What’s the point of having gun laws if we openly don’t enforce them? Im not saying lock him up for years. Those examples I posted got 3 months. Because of security issues, give him something equivalent, like 6 months probation, 200 hours of community service and 100k fine.
Oh please...there is a significant number or voters and GOP lawmakers who don't even want to expand background checks.
I'm all for gun laws...even laws that don't exist yet
Don’t most polls say even the majority of gun owners are for basic gun restrictions like universal background checks?
since when did the gop give a flying fuck what the average citizen much less the vast majority of gun owning nra members?
My comment was in response to "the dude bought a gun, the right should be overjoyed." I know that was a joke, trying to make fun of the hypocrisy of the right prosecuting someone for buying a gun.
But what is "the right"? I take that to mean anyone who identifies as a conservative or repub, does it not? And not just the politicians in office. And the truth is the overwhelming majority, something like 80% of the right, support basic gun laws. Ones like universal background checks. Have the dems tried passing just a simple bill like that? Or do they contain a lot more fillers that they try to pass too?
Are you actually trying to insinuate it is the democrats standing in the way of a universal background check bill?
That was actually a real question. Has anyone proposed a simple bill on universal background checks? I actually don't know for sure, but I do know it is common to tack on a bunch of other unnecessary items that make the bill less desirable. Because if not, how do you blame just the Republicans when the Dems haven't tried? Polls show that the overwhelming number of Americans, including gun owners and those on the right, want universal checks.
I have never seen 1 person in this forum or anywhere else that supports the illegal purchase of firearms, unless you’re talking about something like the Branch Davidians. Most are even okay with stricter laws. Now I don’t think he deserves the 25 years max. But why have gun les if we openly don’t enforce them? Why fight for more les when we don’t enforce the ones we already have? Seems like common sense to hold him accountable to some extent, especially given the gun problem in America.
he is the first person to have these charges filed against him. it is only because his last name is biden.
But your last statement may be right. That’s also had nothing to do with my comment. My comment is you won’t find gun supporters, or at least not a significant portion of them, who crlebreate the purchase of illegal guns that others were claiming.
It probably is true this is rarely charged. But it’s not never. But it’s also probably a little more difficult to prove. How many smokers do you know that quit every month and claim they aren’t addicted? I would imagine it’s hard to prove someone was addicted and lied at the moment they signed that form. But being in the public eye and writing a book about your addictions does make that a lot easier to prove. I’ve asked this several times and no one has answered. How do we have this gun problem that we have, and yet intentionally not follow through on the gun laws that we have? Also seems like the crowd that calls for more gun control are the same ones that want to look the other way for Hunter. There is zero question that he is guilty. The only argument is we shouldn’t be enforcing this law for Hunter. What’s the point of having gun laws if we openly don’t enforce them? Im not saying lock him up for years. Those examples I posted got 3 months. Because of security issues, give him something equivalent, like 6 months probation, 200 hours of community service and 100k fine.
Oh please...there is a significant number or voters and GOP lawmakers who don't even want to expand background checks.
I'm all for gun laws...even laws that don't exist yet
Don’t most polls say even the majority of gun owners are for basic gun restrictions like universal background checks?
since when did the gop give a flying fuck what the average citizen much less the vast majority of gun owning nra members?
My comment was in response to "the dude bought a gun, the right should be overjoyed." I know that was a joke, trying to make fun of the hypocrisy of the right prosecuting someone for buying a gun.
But what is "the right"? I take that to mean anyone who identifies as a conservative or repub, does it not? And not just the politicians in office. And the truth is the overwhelming majority, something like 80% of the right, support basic gun laws. Ones like universal background checks. Have the dems tried passing just a simple bill like that? Or do they contain a lot more fillers that they try to pass too?
Are you actually trying to insinuate it is the democrats standing in the way of a universal background check bill?
That was actually a real question. Has anyone proposed a simple bill on universal background checks? I actually don't know for sure, but I do know it is common to tack on a bunch of other unnecessary items that make the bill less desirable. Because if not, how do you blame just the Republicans when the Dems haven't tried? Polls show that the overwhelming number of Americans, including gun owners and those on the right, want universal checks.
It’s a “clean” bill. Link to the bill at the bottom of the article. Need 60 votes in the senate. Let me know when some repubs will sign on and pass it.
I guess the “vast majority of repub and con voters” are represented by just 8 repub house members and certainly not at all by Moscow Mitchy baby. Ignorance is bliss.
I don't remember this bill. I don't have an answer as to why only 8 Rs support it. It doesn't reflect what the majority of the people they represent want.
I have never seen 1 person in this forum or anywhere else that supports the illegal purchase of firearms, unless you’re talking about something like the Branch Davidians. Most are even okay with stricter laws. Now I don’t think he deserves the 25 years max. But why have gun les if we openly don’t enforce them? Why fight for more les when we don’t enforce the ones we already have? Seems like common sense to hold him accountable to some extent, especially given the gun problem in America.
he is the first person to have these charges filed against him. it is only because his last name is biden.
But your last statement may be right. That’s also had nothing to do with my comment. My comment is you won’t find gun supporters, or at least not a significant portion of them, who crlebreate the purchase of illegal guns that others were claiming.
It probably is true this is rarely charged. But it’s not never. But it’s also probably a little more difficult to prove. How many smokers do you know that quit every month and claim they aren’t addicted? I would imagine it’s hard to prove someone was addicted and lied at the moment they signed that form. But being in the public eye and writing a book about your addictions does make that a lot easier to prove. I’ve asked this several times and no one has answered. How do we have this gun problem that we have, and yet intentionally not follow through on the gun laws that we have? Also seems like the crowd that calls for more gun control are the same ones that want to look the other way for Hunter. There is zero question that he is guilty. The only argument is we shouldn’t be enforcing this law for Hunter. What’s the point of having gun laws if we openly don’t enforce them? Im not saying lock him up for years. Those examples I posted got 3 months. Because of security issues, give him something equivalent, like 6 months probation, 200 hours of community service and 100k fine.
Oh please...there is a significant number or voters and GOP lawmakers who don't even want to expand background checks.
I'm all for gun laws...even laws that don't exist yet
Don’t most polls say even the majority of gun owners are for basic gun restrictions like universal background checks?
since when did the gop give a flying fuck what the average citizen much less the vast majority of gun owning nra members?
My comment was in response to "the dude bought a gun, the right should be overjoyed." I know that was a joke, trying to make fun of the hypocrisy of the right prosecuting someone for buying a gun.
But what is "the right"? I take that to mean anyone who identifies as a conservative or repub, does it not? And not just the politicians in office. And the truth is the overwhelming majority, something like 80% of the right, support basic gun laws. Ones like universal background checks. Have the dems tried passing just a simple bill like that? Or do they contain a lot more fillers that they try to pass too?
Are you actually trying to insinuate it is the democrats standing in the way of a universal background check bill?
That was actually a real question. Has anyone proposed a simple bill on universal background checks? I actually don't know for sure, but I do know it is common to tack on a bunch of other unnecessary items that make the bill less desirable. Because if not, how do you blame just the Republicans when the Dems haven't tried? Polls show that the overwhelming number of Americans, including gun owners and those on the right, want universal checks.
it's a great question we should always be asking when we hear one side bitching and moaning about "they voted against (this bill)! hypocrites!". More bills should be drawn up as individual items rather than a bunch of shit at once.
I guess the “vast majority of repub and con voters” are represented by just 8 repub house members and certainly not at all by Moscow Mitchy baby. Ignorance is bliss.
I don't remember this bill. I don't have an answer as to why only 8 Rs support it. It doesn't reflect what the majority of the people they represent want.
It does however, reflect what the gun lobby wants.
I guess the “vast majority of repub and con voters” are represented by just 8 repub house members and certainly not at all by Moscow Mitchy baby. Ignorance is bliss.
I don't remember this bill. I don't have an answer as to why only 8 Rs support it. It doesn't reflect what the majority of the people they represent want.
I have never seen 1 person in this forum or anywhere else that supports the illegal purchase of firearms, unless you’re talking about something like the Branch Davidians. Most are even okay with stricter laws. Now I don’t think he deserves the 25 years max. But why have gun les if we openly don’t enforce them? Why fight for more les when we don’t enforce the ones we already have? Seems like common sense to hold him accountable to some extent, especially given the gun problem in America.
he is the first person to have these charges filed against him. it is only because his last name is biden.
But your last statement may be right. That’s also had nothing to do with my comment. My comment is you won’t find gun supporters, or at least not a significant portion of them, who crlebreate the purchase of illegal guns that others were claiming.
It probably is true this is rarely charged. But it’s not never. But it’s also probably a little more difficult to prove. How many smokers do you know that quit every month and claim they aren’t addicted? I would imagine it’s hard to prove someone was addicted and lied at the moment they signed that form. But being in the public eye and writing a book about your addictions does make that a lot easier to prove. I’ve asked this several times and no one has answered. How do we have this gun problem that we have, and yet intentionally not follow through on the gun laws that we have? Also seems like the crowd that calls for more gun control are the same ones that want to look the other way for Hunter. There is zero question that he is guilty. The only argument is we shouldn’t be enforcing this law for Hunter. What’s the point of having gun laws if we openly don’t enforce them? Im not saying lock him up for years. Those examples I posted got 3 months. Because of security issues, give him something equivalent, like 6 months probation, 200 hours of community service and 100k fine.
Oh please...there is a significant number or voters and GOP lawmakers who don't even want to expand background checks.
I'm all for gun laws...even laws that don't exist yet
Don’t most polls say even the majority of gun owners are for basic gun restrictions like universal background checks?
since when did the gop give a flying fuck what the average citizen much less the vast majority of gun owning nra members?
My comment was in response to "the dude bought a gun, the right should be overjoyed." I know that was a joke, trying to make fun of the hypocrisy of the right prosecuting someone for buying a gun.
But what is "the right"? I take that to mean anyone who identifies as a conservative or repub, does it not? And not just the politicians in office. And the truth is the overwhelming majority, something like 80% of the right, support basic gun laws. Ones like universal background checks. Have the dems tried passing just a simple bill like that? Or do they contain a lot more fillers that they try to pass too?
Are you actually trying to insinuate it is the democrats standing in the way of a universal background check bill?
That was actually a real question. Has anyone proposed a simple bill on universal background checks? I actually don't know for sure, but I do know it is common to tack on a bunch of other unnecessary items that make the bill less desirable. Because if not, how do you blame just the Republicans when the Dems haven't tried? Polls show that the overwhelming number of Americans, including gun owners and those on the right, want universal checks.
it's a great question we should always be asking when we hear one side bitching and moaning about "they voted against (this bill)! hypocrites!". More bills should be drawn up as individual items rather than a bunch of shit at once.
Here’s a suggestion, if you live in a repub district, contact your representative and senator and ask them why they haven’t supported the bill. Please post your answer. I know from experience that out of district and state inquiries go unanswered. It’s as simple as writing an email to their congressional and senate offices.
I guess the “vast majority of repub and con voters” are represented by just 8 repub house members and certainly not at all by Moscow Mitchy baby. Ignorance is bliss.
I don't remember this bill. I don't have an answer as to why only 8 Rs support it. It doesn't reflect what the majority of the people they represent want.
What doesn’t reflect what the majority wants? The bill? Or the repub representatives? The bill is 5 pages and very straightforward, requiring universal background checks. And it’s a clean bill.
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https://www.atf.gov/news/pr/federal-prosecutors-aggressively-pursuing-those-who-lie-connection-firearm-transactions
It probably is true this is rarely charged. But it’s not never. But it’s also probably a little more difficult to prove. How many smokers do you know that quit every month and claim they aren’t addicted? I would imagine it’s hard to prove someone was addicted and lied at the moment they signed that form. But being in the public eye and writing a book about your addictions does make that a lot easier to prove.
I’ve asked this several times and no one has answered. How do we have this gun problem that we have, and yet intentionally not follow through on the gun laws that we have? Also seems like the crowd that calls for more gun control are the same ones that want to look the other way for Hunter. There is zero question that he is guilty. The only argument is we shouldn’t be enforcing this law for Hunter. What’s the point of having gun laws if we openly don’t enforce them?
Im not saying lock him up for years. Those examples I posted got 3 months. Because of security issues, give him something equivalent, like 6 months probation, 200 hours of community service and 100k fine.
I agree with your last paragraph.
“Lying on an ATF form 4473 is a federal violation and can lead to severe penalties and jail time. Don’t lie and buy.”
— Tweet from the Houston office of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF), Sept. 8, 2021
Form 4473 — the Firearm Transaction Record — is a six-page document that must be filled out whenever someone buys a firearm from a licensed firearm dealer.
The form asks questions including whether the person buying the gun is a felon, whether the person is a fugitive from justice or convicted of domestic abuse, whether the person is addicted to drugs and whether the person is the actual buyer of the firearm.
This tweet by ATF’s Houston office led a swarm of Twitter users to ask why the bureau didn’t charge Hunter Biden, the president’s son, for allegedly lying on Form 4473 when he purchased a handgun in October 2018. The controversy prompted us to request statistics from the Justice Department to determine whether someone falsely filling out the form faced much of a risk of prosecution.
It took months to obtain the data. The answer, it turns out, is no.
The statistics are newly relevant as Congress discusses how to strengthen gun laws in the wake of high-profile mass shootings. This is a prime illustration of how, for a variety of reasons including prosecutorial choices, existing laws are not always rigorously or consistently enforced.
The Facts
Starting with the National Firearms Act of 1938, Congress has sought to limit gun purchases by certain individuals such as fugitives and people convicted of a felony. After high-profile assassinations and the occupation of the California Capitol by armed Black Panthers, President Lyndon B. Johnson urged passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968, which among other things expanded the list of prohibited people to include someone who is “an unlawful user of or addicted to marijuana or any depressant or stimulant drug.”
The reason for adding drug users to the list is a bit obscure, according to experts we consulted. Johnson did not mention the issue in his speech calling for a new gun-control law or in his remarks when signing the bill. But the mid-1960s witnessed the rise of counterculture, with its abundant drug use, while marijuana at the time was often believed by law enforcement to be the drug of choice for people of color.
The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1993, ushered into law by then-Sen. Joe Biden, at the time chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, made Form 4473 a key part of background checks for gun purchases mandated by the law.
Lying on the form is a felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison. For being a user of unlawful drugs in possession of a firearm, the punishment is up to five years.
But according to newly revealed Justice Department records, the odds of being charged for lying on this form are virtually nonexistent. In the 2019 fiscal year, when Hunter Biden purchased his gun, federal prosecutors received 478 referrals for lying on Form 4473 — and filed just 298 cases, according to data extracted from the U.S. attorneys’ case management system. That’s out of approximately 27 million background checks undertaken in a 12-month period.
The numbers were roughly similar for fiscal 2018 (444 referrals and 271 cases) and fiscal 2020 (433 referrals and 243 cases). The data does not indicate the success rate of the prosecutions.
At issue is when Biden answered “no” on the sixth question on the form when purchasing a gun Oct. 12, 2018: “Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?”
According to the U.S. code, “the term ‘addict’ means any individual who habitually uses any narcotic drug so as to endanger the public morals, health, safety, or welfare, or who is so far addicted to the use of narcotic drugs as to have lost the power of self-control with reference to his addiction.”
In a guidance document for the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), ATF has emphasized drug use within the past year could trigger the prohibition on Form 4473. “An inference of current use or possession may be drawn from evidence of a recent use or possession of a controlled substance or a pattern of use or possession that reasonably covers the present time,” the document said. “The ATF has determined that the present time is represented by the time frame of within the past 12 months.”
Biden had been discharged five years earlier from the Navy Reserve for drug use. According to a memoir published in 2021, he was actively using crack cocaine in the year he bought the gun.
In the spring of 2018, “I drove my rental to the Chateau Marmont, in West Hollywood, where I checked into a bungalow and by 4 a.m. had smoked every crumb of crack I’d brought,” Biden wrote in “Beautiful Things.” In the fall of that year, he returned east in an effort to clean up but failed so badly, he writes, that his parents staged an intervention and insisted he go to a rehab center.
Biden said he only walked into the lobby of the center and immediately called an Uber to take him to a hotel for two days. While everyone “thought I was safe and sound at the center, I sat in my room and smoked the crack I’d tucked away in my traveling bag,” he said.
About two weeks after the purchase of the gun, Biden’s then-girlfriend, Hallie, his brother’s widow, threw the .38 revolver into a trash can behind a grocery store across the street from a high school. “I think she believes I was gonna kill myself,” Biden told police, according to the police report obtained by Politico. The gun went missing but was later recovered and no charges were filed.
An attorney for Hunter Biden did not respond to a request for comment.
The data released by the Justice Department does not show how many people might have been prosecuted for falsely answering the question about active drug use. But a review of such cases in Delaware, also provided to The Fact Checker, shows that in fiscal 2019, only three Form 4473 cases were referred for prosecution in the state — and the U.S. attorney opted not to bring them.
Many of the prosecutions concerned obvious instances of “straw buyers,” such as a woman purchasing a gun while on the phone with a friend receiving instructions about what type of gun to buy. Straw buyers are often acting on behalf of people who would not pass a background check, such as a felon. Keeping guns out of the hands of people who already have committed heinous crimes is probably a higher priority than a drug abuser.
The names in the referrals were redacted for privacy reasons, but a Justice Department official said none of the referrals mentioned Hunter Biden.
A 1990 Justice Department feasibility study noted how difficult it was to bring cases against people who falsely answer questions on Form 4473. Unlike the rich paper trail that exists for felons, no such record exists for drug abusers, the study said, noting that it is against the law to disclose “the medical records of persons who have been engaged in a drug rehabilitation program funded by the federal government.”
Erik Longnecker, an ATF spokesman, said only that “the tweet is accurate.” He referred questions about the pace of prosecutions to the Justice Department.
In a statement to The Fact Checker, another Justice Department official indicated that the Form 4473 cases were determined not to have enough evidence for a successful prosecution.
“Declinations of matters referred to a U.S. attorney’s office can occur for a variety of reasons,” the statement said. “Initial declinations typically occur when the prosecutor makes an immediate determination that a matter is not sufficient or suitable for prosecution. The large majority of ‘later declinations’ — declinations where a USAO has delved into the facts and circumstances of the matter — show that suspects investigated [under false-statement statues] were declined for federal prosecution due to a lack of sufficient evidence in the matter referred.”
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The scorched-earth activist trying to take down Hunter Biden
Garrett Ziegler, an often-provocative former Trump White House staffer, seeks to influence House investigations and the public discussion
When Lunden Roberts needed an expert to help prove that Hunter Biden had the money to keep making substantial child support payments for their 4-year-old daughter, her legal team turned to Garrett Ziegler.
Ziegler doesn’t have a degree in personal finance. He doesn’t personally know the president’s son. But Ziegler, whose first job out of college was working as a low-level aide in the Trump White House, has fashioned himself into a Hunter Biden specialist, compiling personal and financial records from anywhere he can get them. Then, his nonprofit posts them online.
Ziegler claims this cache offers the fullest accounting of Hunter Biden’s life, from his battles with drug addiction to his sexual escapades to his business dealings. “In the Western world, I’m confident that nobody has dug into the American first family more than us,” he said recently on YouTube. “I’ve just become obsessed with studying the family.”
Ziegler, 27, enjoys a following of tens of thousands on social media and the attention of conservative media. He has made himself a chief antagonist of the younger Biden, prompting lawsuits, an Internal Revenue Service complaint and other legal pushback from Hunter Biden’s circle.
Ziegler is at the vanguard of a sprawling network of Biden antagonists, from right-wing media organizations to congressional leaders to MAGA activists, that is focused intensely on the president’s son. They see Hunter Biden’s activities as his father’s biggest political vulnerability, a conclusion reflected in the House GOP’s recent decision to launch an impeachment inquiry.
On Wednesday, Hunter Biden sued Ziegler in federal court in California, alleging that the activist had violated privacy laws and calling him “a zealot who has waged a sustained, unhinged and obsessed campaign against [Hunter Biden] and the entire Biden family for more than two years.”
After Ziegler, who served as a staffer for Trump aide Peter Navarro, a MAGA hard-liner and election denier, left the White House in early 2021, he began focusing his attention on President Biden’s son, turning his formidable energy to unearthing every detail he could. Ziegler received some of Hunter Biden’s financial records, saying he got them from someone who worked at Biden’s bank. He has delved into Hunter Biden’s business dealings. He even acquired a copy of the diary of Ashley Biden, Hunter’s sister.
But his biggest project has been mining embarrassing information, including nude photos and videos, from what appears to be a personal laptop that Hunter Biden left at a repair shop in April 2019. Ziegler said in an interview that he got a hard drive with the purported contents of the laptop from Rudy Giuliani before the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol.
In October 2022, Ziegler announced that the nonprofit he founded, Marco Polo, had published a voluminous report on the laptop, claiming to have unearthed at least 459 criminal or regulatory violations. This claim has not been verified, and Hunter Biden’s team dismisses it as absurd. (The Washington Post has also obtained a hard drive purportedly from the laptop and authenticated some of its contents.)
“We want (our report) to be on coffee tables and bookshelves and be brought out whenever you hear something in the news,” Ziegler said in the interview. On his Telegram page, where he has a following of about 100,000, he added, “We believe that it is the deepest digital colonoscopy ever performed on a sitting U.S. first family.”
Ziegler has a smaller following than some better-known conservative firebrands. But that relatively low profile allows him to unleash inflammatory attacks with less scrutiny, said Jared Holt, who researches extremists for the Institute for Strategic Dialogue think tank.
“There’s an incentive for him to take the extra step and to be just a little more outrageous, because it’s the sort of audience he’s cultivated and the part of the ecosystem he fits into,” Holt said.
Some of Hunter Biden’s associates worry that Ziegler, with his sometimes-wild theorizing combined with an encyclopedic knowledge of Hunter Biden’s history, will influence the public discussion as well as the House probes of the president’s son.
Ziegler argues that he is filling a vital role by scrutinizing the Bidens, particularly because in his view Republicans are not going after Hunter Biden hard enough. “The right wing has totally f---ed up this response,” he said. “It’s been frustrating at the pace. Now we’re seven months in, and I don’t think they’ve subpoenaed Hunter.”
To Democrats, Ziegler and his efforts embody all that is wrong with an era when a single individual can use the internet to humiliate and smear his chosen target. Hunter Biden is a recovering drug addict who has experienced tragedy in his life, they say, and whatever his flaws, they have no bearing on the president’s performance.
Ziegler has “shown himself as a reckless, irresponsible chaos agent,” said Rep. Eric Swalwell (D-Calif.), a House Judiciary Committee member. At a hearing in July, Swalwell raised concerns about Ziegler’s postings attacking federal law enforcement agents.
Ziegler contends that his aggressive actions are justified because his ultimate target is not Hunter Biden, but the president. He asserts that Hunter Biden has been involved for decades in shady business deals with China-based firms and the president has known about it, making the senior Biden beholden to China.
“My focus is never on Hunter Biden — it’s only Hunter’s relationship to Joe,” Ziegler said. “My whole obsession with the Bidens starts and ends with Joe. It doesn’t start and end with Hunter.”
Hunter Biden’s legal team has not taken kindly to Ziegler’s efforts. In his recent lawsuit, Hunter alleges that Ziegler and the other members of his nonprofit illegally hacked into portions of Biden’s laptop that were encrypted, saying they ignored demands to cease and desist, an allegation Ziegler disputes. Ziegler says he would not “honor” cease-and-desist requests in this matter because he believes his actions have been lawful.
Last February, Hunter Biden’s attorney Abbe Lowell challenged the tax-exempt status of Marco Polo’s parent company, ICU, writing to the IRS that it “has operated as little more than a thinly disguised political operation to attack the Biden administration and the Biden family.” Ziegler said that his personal criticism of the Bidens does not reflect the official views of his nonprofit.
Hunter Biden’s friend and benefactor Kevin Morris has also sued Ziegler, accusing him of harassment and doxing. After the child support settlement, for example, Ziegler posted the coordinates of Morris’s plane on his public Telegram page and speculated about Morris’s potential travels. Ziegler’s attorneys have argued in court filings that he was exercising his free-speech rights.
In one of his most notable moves, Ziegler joined the contentious child support case between Roberts, an Arkansas resident, and Hunter Biden over their 4-year-old daughter, Navy. Hunter Biden initially contested his paternity of the girl until a DNA test proved the relationship, and he has said he remembers little of his relationship with Roberts because it occurred when he was in a spiral of drug addiction.
Roberts’s lawyers, in seeking to have Ziegler designated an expert witness, contended in a court filing that he was “an expert in Hunter Biden, his life, finances, personal history, financial history, the Biden Companies, and the manner in which the Biden family interacts interpersonally and financially.”
Hunter Biden’s attorneys initially objected to Ziegler’s inclusion — complaining of his lack of relevant expertise, his “background,” and his purported grudge against the Biden family — but ultimately relented. Ziegler gave a deposition, which remains sealed, but he never testified publicly in the case. Hunter Biden and Roberts ultimately reached a settlement on child support.
More relevant to the just-launched impeachment inquiry is Hunter Biden’s business career, a subject that has been of great interest to Ziegler. Hunter Biden has denied wrongdoing in his financial dealings, and there has been no publicly available evidence connecting his father to criminal behavior.
Federal prosecutors spent more than four years investigating the president’s son, reaching a deal in June for him to plead guilty to two minor tax crimes and admit to the facts of a gun offense. After that deal fell apart, the prosecutor investigating the case was named a special counsel, and he recently obtained an indictment against Hunter Biden on the gun charges, suggesting the case may go to trial.
Beyond the president’s son, Ziegler’s broader messaging often conveys a far-right worldview that derides certain groups.
He promotes posts of inflammatory memes and conspiracy theories. He has shared rhetoric saying that Christians are better than others and that White people have been particularly persecuted. He has promoted photoshopped images of women he dislikes in compromising positions with Hunter Biden.
Before working in the Trump administration, Ziegler had few ties to politics. Aside from his cousin Ron Ziegler, who was press secretary for President Richard M. Nixon, his family mostly worked in agriculture and insurance, he told his hometown newspaper in Illinois in 2018. He graduated from St. Louis University in 2018 with a degree in economics before moving to Washington. He and his wife, Allie, have since moved back to Illinois, where he portrays himself on social media as a devout Lutheran and family man.
In the White House, Ziegler worked for Navarro, one of Trump’s most outspoken advisers, who was recently convicted of contempt of Congress after he declined to cooperate with the House committee investigation into the Jan. 6 attack. In his White House role, Ziegler wrote reports about Chinese tariffs (which he argued the U.S. should reciprocate), the covid-19 pandemic (which he argued was planned) and the 2020 election (which he argued was stolen).
Ziegler eventually came to the attention of the Jan. 6 committee, which questioned him about his role in a turbulent White House meeting shortly after the 2020 election that featured a confrontation between some Trump associates who were pushing the president to try to stay in power and a group of aides warning against it.
After being questioned by the committee in July 2022, Ziegler unleashed a 27-minute inflammatory tirade on his Telegram page calling the investigation discriminatory against White people and using sexist slurs to describe female ex-colleagues who cooperated with the committee.
“They see me as a young Christian who they can try to basically scare, right?” Ziegler said. Calling the probe “a Bolshevistic anti-White campaign,” Ziegler added that he is “the least racist person that many of you have ever met, by the way.”
He has accused several Biden allies of being Bolsheviks, prompting Jonathan Greenblatt, the chief executive of the Anti-Defamation League, to note that such words are “often used as a code for Jews.” Ziegler rejected any criticism from the group, saying that any ADL position is “probably a good indication of what I believe to be the exact opposite case.”
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Ziegler also has posted, on his Telegram page, photos of his targets’ daughters wearing bathing suits or partying with friends, sometimes ridiculing the girls’ appearances. In other posts he has shared with his following, women are mocked for being bad drivers or purportedly being biologically unfit for military combat.
Ziegler said his attacks on the women are legitimate, even if they are private citizens, because their public photos are “degenerate.” He said he does not agree with every post he shares with his followers; he was joking when he forwarded memes about women’s driving skills, he said, but he does not believe women should serve on the military front lines.
Ziegler has also shared posts by white supremacist Nick Fuentes and claimed there is a “war on Whites.” Liberal activist David Brock, whose group Facts First USA has tracked Ziegler’s online comments, said he has warned lawmakers, journalists and others about Ziegler’s rhetoric, urging them to keep their distance. “He doesn’t belong within 100 miles of Congress or a courtroom,” Brock said in an interview.
Ziegler said he does not agree with all of Fuentes’s views, but he does believe that White people are unfairly persecuted, citing government efforts to seek a more diverse workforce. He is a “Christian and a nationalist,” he said, but not a Christian nationalist.
House Republicans are ramping up their efforts to investigate Hunter Biden, culminating in an instruction by House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) to House committees on Sept. 12 to open an impeachment inquiry into President Biden centered on his son’s business dealings, some of the same areas that Ziegler has probed.
Ziegler said he has made contacts within GOP congressional offices and given them copies of the report on Hunter Biden’s laptop, though he declined to name specific lawmakers.
Some members of Congress, however, have publicly mentioned the report. Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) said in an interview with NBC’s Chuck Todd that “you ought to read the Marco Polo report where they detail all kinds of potential crimes.” (Todd responded that citing “potential” crimes is “innuendo.”) Rep. James Comer (R-Ky.) told Newsmax the “positive thing” about the report is its inclusion of banking records.
“The response has been obviously grateful” from Republicans receiving the report, Ziegler said. He added: “Sometimes they’ve had an aversion to hearing me out — and then once they looked at our work or site … ,” trailing off.
At one recent congressional hearing, after Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) displayed what appeared to be nude photos of Hunter Biden, Democrats noted that she had displayed the photos in the same order and with similar redactions as in the Marco Polo report. Greene’s office did not respond when asked if the photos came from Ziegler or his nonprofit, but he suggested they did.
“Some of our screenshots in the report were utilized,” Ziegler said in the interview. “So I’ve been somewhat pleased.”
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Hunter Biden sues IRS over disclosures
The lawsuit over IRS agent interviews with Congress and the press comes as a special counsel weighs charging him with tax crimes
The lawsuit comes amid criminal charges and escalating legal battles surrounding the younger Biden, a failed plea deal and a nearly five-year investigation into his finances, taxes and a gun purchase.
Biden’s lawsuit says that while he has “all the same responsibilities as any other American citizen,” he also “has no fewer or lesser rights than any other American citizen, and no government agency or government agent has free reign to violate his rights simply because of who he is.”
Biden charges in the lawsuit that when two IRS agents went to Congress and news organizations complaining of alleged mishandling of the investigation by Justice Department officials, they disclosed information about the investigation, and about Biden’s taxes, that the law aims to keep secret.
“This assault on Mr. Biden’s rights involved the public disclosure of his confidential tax information during more than 20 nationally televised and non-congressionally sanctioned interviews and numerous public statements,” the lawsuit charges.
The disclosures included “detailed allegations regarding the specific tax years under investigation, the amounts of deductions, the nature of those deductions, and allegations of liability regarding specific tax years and the amount thereof, that could only be known to them based on a review of the physical tax returns themselves,” the lawsuit contends.
In recent months, Biden’s legal team has fired a number of legal salvos at those who have accused him of committing crimes and tried to implicate his father, President Biden, in the alleged wrongdoing.
The IRS lawsuit is Biden’s most aggressive move yet on that front, but it also comes at a time when he is besieged by legal issues.
He was indicted last week on gun charges — charges that were supposed to be resolved in a diversion agreement over the summer. The diversion deal and a related agreement to plead guilty to misdemeanor tax charges fell apart when the two sides could not agree on whether such a deal gave Biden immunity from additional possible criminal charges from the same period.
Special counsel David Weiss may soon file a new indictment against Hunter Biden in another federal court — potentially in California — over alleged tax crimes that the agents say they found in reviewing his finances from 2014 to 2019.
Also Monday, Biden’s lawyer Abbe Lowell fired off an angry letter to Rep. Jason T. Smith (R-Mo.), arguing that one of the improper disclosures about his client’s taxes in 2018 does not account for what Biden eventually paid later.
Biden previously paid more than $900,000 to the IRS as he tried to resolve the investigation, Lowell said. Biden’s lawyers and accountants believe he “overstated certain items of taxable income” for that year and is now, in fact, owed a refund.
“Mr. Biden will take all necessary steps to secure the refund of any and all overpayments of tax,” Lowell wrote.
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Then they started requiring SSN and date of birth since the dob isn't included anywhere on the return.
Now they won't discuss shit unless you have a signed POA...they even ask me my SSN/DOB to prove my identity.
Hunter's personal info was clearly violated.
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since when did the gop give a flying fuck what the average citizen much less the vast majority of gun owning nra members?
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I know that was a joke, trying to make fun of the hypocrisy of the right prosecuting someone for buying a gun.
But what is "the right"? I take that to mean anyone who identifies as a conservative or repub, does it not? And not just the politicians in office. And the truth is the overwhelming majority, something like 80% of the right, support basic gun laws. Ones like universal background checks.
Have the dems tried passing just a simple bill like that? Or do they contain a lot more fillers that they try to pass too?
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I think my point was that those same loudmouths should be defending Hunter right now
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