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  • lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 13,877
    Just  watched  biden rally his people and flash his balls  ending  on 'go get  him"
    This ain't  no fuckin movie. 
    It's  all good and well winding putin up but what  is all this big talk gonna do to save lives. Same with our  bumbling clown leader. Big talk. 
    How  actually  is anyone going to stop the  killing. I can't  see a way right  now. All this whooping everytime biden says a word . Cringe
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,594
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,594
    link to the referenced artiicle mistakenly published


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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,355
    edited March 2022
    mickeyrat said:
    https://youtu.be/WWIYfKWSAxw
    This person is amazing, he has an answer for everything!  He really does though.  He should become a political writer.

    EDIT:  His angle on the soldiers being duped is something I hope comes to fruition but with dictators rarely does.
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,526
    "These are not sanctions"


    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    edited March 2022
    brianlux said:
    Another excellent article by Thomas Friedman:

    Thomas L. Friedman

    I See Three Scenarios for How This War Ends

    March 1, 2022

    The battle for Ukraine unfolding before our eyes has the potential to be the most transformational event in Europe since World War II and the most dangerous confrontation for the world since the Cuban missile crisis. I see three possible scenarios for how this story ends. I call them “the full-blown disaster,” “the dirty compromise” and “salvation.”

    The disaster scenario is now underway: Unless Vladimir Putin has a change of heart or can be deterred by the West, he appears willing to kill as many people as necessary and destroy as much of Ukraine’s infrastructure as necessary to erase Ukraine as a free independent state and culture and wipe out its leadership. This scenario could lead to war crimes the scale of which has not been seen in Europe since the Nazis — crimes that would make Vladimir Putin, his cronies and Russia as a country all global pariahs.

    The wired, globalized world has never had to deal with a leader accused of this level of war crimes whose country has a landmass spanning 11 time zones, is one of the world’s largest oil and gas providers and possesses the biggest arsenal of nuclear warheads of any nation.

    Every day that Putin refuses to stop we get closer to the gates of hell. With each TikTok video and cellphone shot showing Putin’s brutality, it will be harder and harder for the world to look away. But to intervene risks igniting the first war in the heart of Europe involving nuclear weapons. And to let Putin reduce Kyiv to rubble, with thousands of dead — the way he conquered Aleppo and Grozny — would allow him to create a European Afghanistan, spilling out refugees and chaos.

    Putin doesn’t have the ability to install a puppet leader in Ukraine and just leave him there: A puppet would face a permanent insurrection. So, Russia needs to permanently station tens of thousands of troops in Ukraine to control it — and Ukrainians will be shooting at them every day. It is terrifying how little Putin has thought about how his war ends.

    I wish Putin was just motivated by a desire to keep Ukraine out of NATO; his appetite has grown far beyond that. Putin is in the grip of magical thinking: As Fiona Hill, one of America’s premier Russia experts, said in an interview published on Monday by Politico, he believes that there is something called “Russky Mir,” or a “Russian World”; that Ukrainians and Russians are “one people”; and that it is his mission to engineer “regathering all the Russian-speakers in different places that belonged at some point to the Russian tsardom.”

    To realize that vision, Putin believes that it is his right and duty to challenge what Hill calls “a rules-based system in which the things that countries want are not taken by force.” And if the U.S. and its allies attempt to get in Putin’s way — or try to humiliate him the way they did Russia at the end of the Cold War — he is signaling that he is ready to out-crazy us. Or, as Putin warned the other day before putting his nuclear force on high alert, anyone who gets in his way should be ready to face “consequences they have never seen” before. Add to all this the mounting reports questioning Putin’s state of mind and you have a terrifying cocktail.

    The second scenario is that somehow the Ukrainian military and people are able to hold out long enough against the Russian blitzkrieg, and that the economic sanctions start deeply wounding Putin’s economy, so that both sides feel compelled to accept a dirty compromise. Its rough contours would be that in return for a cease-fire and the withdrawal of Russian troops, Ukraine’s eastern enclaves now under de facto Russian control would be formally ceded to Russia, while Ukraine would explicitly vow never to join NATO. At the same time, the U.S. and its allies would agree to lift all recently imposed economic sanctions on Russia.

    This scenario remains unlikely because it would require Putin to basically admit that he was unable to achieve his vision of reabsorbing Ukraine into the Russian motherland, after paying a huge price in terms of his economy and the deaths of Russian soldiers. Moreover, Ukraine would have to formally cede part of its territory and accept that it was going to be a permanent no man’s land between Russia and the rest of Europe — though it would at least maintain its nominal independence. It would also require everyone to ignore the lesson already learned that Putin can’t be trusted to leave Ukraine alone.

    Finally, the least likely scenario but the one that could have the best outcome is that the Russian people demonstrate as much bravery and commitment to their own freedom as the Ukrainian people have shown to theirs, and deliver salvation by ousting Putin from office.

    Many Russians must be starting to worry that as long as Putin is their present and future leader, they have no future. Thousands are taking to the streets to protest Putin’s insane war. They’re doing this at the risk of their own safety. And though too soon to tell, their pushback does make you wonder if the so-called fear barrier is being broken, and if a mass movement could eventually end Putin’s reign.

    Even for Russians staying quiet, life is suddenly being disrupted in ways small and large. As my colleague Mark Landler put it: “In Switzerland, the Lucerne music festival canceled two symphony concerts featuring a Russian maestro. In Australia, the national swim team said it would boycott a world championship meet in Russia. At the Magic Mountain Ski Area in Vermont, a bartender poured bottles of Stolichnaya vodka down the drain. From culture to commerce, sports to travel, the world is shunning Russia in myriad ways to protest President Vladimir V. Putin’s invasion of Ukraine.”

    And then there is the new “Putin tax” that every Russian will have to pay indefinitely for the pleasure of having him as their president. I am talking about the effects of the mounting sanctions being imposed on Russia by the civilized world. On Monday, the Russian central bank had to keep the Russian stock market closed to prevent a panicked meltdown and was forced to raise its benchmark interest rate in one day to 20 percent from 9.5 percent to encourage people to hold rubles. Even then the ruble nose-dived by about 30 percent against the dollar — it’s now worth less than 1 U.S. cent.

    For all of these reasons I have to hope that at this very moment there are some very senior Russian intelligence and military officials, close to Putin, who are meeting in some closet in the Kremlin and saying out loud what they all must be thinking: Either Putin has lost a step as a strategist during his isolation in the pandemic or he is in deep denial over how badly he has miscalculated the strength of Ukrainians, America, its allies and global civil society at large.

    If Putin goes ahead and levels Ukraine’s biggest cities and its capital, Kyiv, he and all of his cronies will never again see the London and New York apartments they bought with all their stolen riches. There will be no more Davos and no more St. Moritz. Instead, they will all be locked in a big prison called Russia — with the freedom to travel only to Syria, Crimea, Belarus, North Korea and China, maybe. Their kids will be thrown out of private boarding schools from Switzerland to Oxford.

    Either they collaborate to oust Putin or they will all share his isolation cell. The same for the larger Russian public. I realize that this last scenario is the most unlikely of them all, but it is the one that holds the most promise of achieving the dream that we dreamed when the Berlin Wall fell in 1989 — a Europe whole and free, from the British Isles to Vladivostok.





    Thanks for posting that Bri.  Good Read
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,275
    lastexitlondon said:
    Just  watched  biden rally his people and flash his balls  ending  on 'go get  him"
    This ain't  no fuckin movie. 
    It's  all good and well winding putin up but what  is all this big talk gonna do to save lives. Same with our  bumbling clown leader. Big talk. 
    How  actually  is anyone going to stop the  killing. I can't  see a way right  now. All this whooping everytime biden says a word . Cringe
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 36,982
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    "These are not sanctions"


    it's got to be incredibly frustrating to be ukrainian right now, basically being told you're on your own. 
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    "These are not sanctions"


    As long as the west buys oil and gas off Russia then the west is essentially financing the war…


    Give Peas A Chance…
  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889

    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    "These are not sanctions"


    Work Blocks Twitter.  Can someone summarize what I am missing by not seeing this tweet?
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,594
    static111 said:

    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    "These are not sanctions"


    Work Blocks Twitter.  Can someone summarize what I am missing by not seeing this tweet?

    youtube?


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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,025
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    "These are not sanctions"


    it's got to be incredibly frustrating to be ukrainian right now, basically being told you're on your own. 
    On their own? I thought the majority of the world has rallied to their cause? US Congress is preparing a $6B aid package. 
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,526
    Meltdown99 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    "These are not sanctions"


    As long as the west buys oil and gas off Russia then the west is essentially financing the war…



    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,275
    I get that some might feel abandoned but the US can't go to war against Russia. There is a fine line there.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 36,982
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    "These are not sanctions"


    it's got to be incredibly frustrating to be ukrainian right now, basically being told you're on your own. 
    On their own? I thought the majority of the world has rallied to their cause? US Congress is preparing a $6B aid package. 
    a sign or a hashtag does nothing. financial aid won't help keep the russian army from murdering civilians and destroying their infrastructure. 

    yes, they are essentially on their own at the moment. 
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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Posts: 17,038
    Gern Blansten said:
    I get that some might feel abandoned but the US can't go to war against Russia. There is a fine line there.
    And that will be a feature, not a bug, for Russia in this onslaught. Make Ukees grow apathetic and bitter at the West's response (or lack thereof), then long-term you don't make Ukraine a part of Russia but you keep them "independent" and instill a pro-Russian regime in Kyiv.
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Posts: 17,038
    lastexitlondon said:
    Just  watched  biden rally his people and flash his balls  ending  on 'go get  him"
    This ain't  no fuckin movie. 
    It's  all good and well winding putin up but what  is all this big talk gonna do to save lives. Same with our  bumbling clown leader. Big talk. 
    How  actually  is anyone going to stop the  killing. I can't  see a way right  now. All this whooping everytime biden says a word . Cringe
    You're not necessarily wrong, but most people (especially Americans) are fucking dumb and need to be talked to like life is a movie. And that is who he's talking to.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 36,982
    Gern Blansten said:
    I get that some might feel abandoned but the US can't go to war against Russia. There is a fine line there.
    of course they can't. but the current sanctions aren't enough. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,025
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    "These are not sanctions"


    it's got to be incredibly frustrating to be ukrainian right now, basically being told you're on your own. 
    On their own? I thought the majority of the world has rallied to their cause? US Congress is preparing a $6B aid package. 
    a sign or a hashtag does nothing. financial aid won't help keep the russian army from murdering civilians and destroying their infrastructure. 

    yes, they are essentially on their own at the moment. 
    Maybe say they’re on their own militarily? But I don’t think that for a moment. If you don’t think the western powers don’t have special ops on the ground assisting, then I’m not sure that you understand modern warfare and what our intelligence agencies do in times like these. 
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,526
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    . If you don’t think the western powers don’t have special ops on the ground assisting, then I’m not sure that you understand modern warfare and what our intelligence agencies do in times like these. 
    Lol.

    Look at Jack Ryan over here.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 36,982
    I think saying "essentially" and "basically" was clear enough. 

    so Putin warned that any military assistance would result in catastrophic consequences. the US would be willing to risk that?
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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Posts: 17,038
    edited March 2022
    Yeah, just have acknowledge this is what posturing looks like in global politics, especially when it comes to war. It's not fun for anybody!
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,025
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    . If you don’t think the western powers don’t have special ops on the ground assisting, then I’m not sure that you understand modern warfare and what our intelligence agencies do in times like these. 
    Lol.

    Look at Jack Ryan over here.
    What are the Swedes doing again? You think your intelligence agencies have boots on the ground? Do you think all diplomatic staff are there for issuing visas and ribbon cuttings?
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,594
    its 6 days in. just how fast do people think sanctions and business pulling out and have the desired effect is supposed to be?
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,526
    edited March 2022
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    . If you don’t think the western powers don’t have special ops on the ground assisting, then I’m not sure that you understand modern warfare and what our intelligence agencies do in times like these. 
    Lol.

    Look at Jack Ryan over here.
    What are the Swedes doing again? 
    I think many are right now waiting for the clock to strike 17, so they can leave work. 
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,025
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    I think saying "essentially" and "basically" was clear enough. 

    so Putin warned that any military assistance would result in catastrophic consequences. the US would be willing to risk that?
    Yes, I’d be willing to bet that our intelligence agencies are purchasing Soviet produced arms on the world arms bizarre and are clandestinely supplying them to Ukraine. Maybe asking countries like Poland to supply them as we pay or resupply them. Plausible deniability.
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,526



    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 13,877
    Of course  they are on their own
     The children  getting  killed and the  men not allowed  to leave with the lucky ones who can get out are completely  alone. Not money or guns or sanctions  make them not alone.  They  face death and loss and never  seeing  thier  wives and kids alone.
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  • dankinddankind Posts: 20,839
    Spiritual_Chaos said:



    This would post would never fly on the vaunted Steve Hoffman forum.

     
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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Posts: 17,038
    dankind said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:



    This would post would never fly on the vaunted Steve Hoffman forum.

     
    lol dying
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