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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited March 2022
    Some missionaries I know from my city are in Kyiv and posted pictures from a basement where they are bunkered down.  They said the supermarket and bakery in a nearby village that they go to has been blown to hell.  Fuck Putin.
  • mickeyrat said:
    its 6 days in. just how fast do people think sanctions and business pulling out and have the desired effect is supposed to be?
    we've already been told the current that sanctions are going to take time. we know this. but tell that to people being bombed today. 
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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Posts: 17,038
    One can only hope the sanctions have the desired effect that we would like.
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,526
    edited March 2022


    "We have at our disposal the planning documents of one of the units of the battalion tactical group of the 810th separate brigade of marines of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation.
    Based on the information received, it is known that the planning documents for the war with Ukraine were approved on January 18, 22, and the operation to capture Ukraine itself must take place within 15 days, namely from 20.02. till 06.03."
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,355
    OPEC needs to open the floodgates right now.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    OPEC needs to open the floodgates right now.
    Russia is an OPEC+ nation.  So I'm curious how they view this issue.  Will they box them out and increase supply or stand with the OPEC commitments to gradually increase supply throughout 2022?
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,526
    edited March 2022
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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,355
    mrussel1 said:
    OPEC needs to open the floodgates right now.
    Russia is an OPEC+ nation.  So I'm curious how they view this issue.  Will they box them out and increase supply or stand with the OPEC commitments to gradually increase supply throughout 2022?
    Russia is not an OPEC nation.  OPEC asked to stop production of Russia about a year ago and they said F U and ramped up production.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    mrussel1 said:
    OPEC needs to open the floodgates right now.
    Russia is an OPEC+ nation.  So I'm curious how they view this issue.  Will they box them out and increase supply or stand with the OPEC commitments to gradually increase supply throughout 2022?
    Russia is not an OPEC nation.  OPEC asked to stop production of Russia about a year ago and they said F U and ramped up production.
    Russia is an OPEC+ (Plus) nation. 
  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    OPEC needs to open the floodgates right now.
    Russia is an OPEC+ nation.  So I'm curious how they view this issue.  Will they box them out and increase supply or stand with the OPEC commitments to gradually increase supply throughout 2022?
    Russia is not an OPEC nation.  OPEC asked to stop production of Russia about a year ago and they said F U and ramped up production.
    Russia is an OPEC+ (Plus) nation. 
    Is there a way for the US to flood the market?  
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,025
    $85 Billion buys a lot of taclights and tac glasses.

    Within the intelligence and defense communities in the 1980s and into the 1990s a new trend of convergence emerged as the military began to experiment with intelligence-like activities, with member of the CIA experimenting with military-like activities.84 Specifically, the CIA began to use lethal force “in circumstances in which diplomatic and political constraints made overt military force unpalatable.”85 This included proposals from within the National Security Council (NSC) to conduct lethal intelligence operations against Hezbollah in Lebanon, as well as other terrorist targets throughout the world.86 A particularly well-known example of the convergence of military and intelligence functions using the secret budgets occurred in the supplying of weapons to the Afghan mujahideen fighters in the Soviet-Afghan War of 1979 to 1989, known as “Operation Cyclone.” Representative Charlies Wilson (D- Tex.), who served on the House Defense Appropriations Subcommittee added $40 million to the budget of the CIA specifically for a Swiss-made 20-mm Oerlikon antiaircraft gun by 1983.87 William Casey, then the Director of the CIA, used leftover FY 1984 DOD appropriations to boost the funds available for covert action in Afghanistan.88 At the time, DOD possessed tens of millions of dollars in leftover funds, which Rep. Wilson pushed toward the CIA’s Near East Division in the FY1985 budget, bringing the total amount for covert action in Afghanistan to $250 million, as much as all previous years combined.89

    On September 25, 1986, mujahideen fighters fired five Stinger missiles at three Soviet MI-14 Hind helicopters, causing them to drop from the sky.93 This example of “Black Budget” appropriations remains a key example by which covert action programs can impact foreign policy without direct public scrutiny of the use of public funds. Funding for Operation Cyclone skyrocketed to $630 million by 1987.94 Recall also that overall U.S. intelligence spending peaked at the end of the Cold War in 1989.95

    In stating their position, the Commission balanced the questions of national security with operating a government in an open society, stating: Intelligence agencies … pose unique difficulties when it comes to public accountability. They cannot disclose what they are doing to the public without disclosing what they are doing to their targets. Yet they are institutions within a democracy, responsible to the President, the Congress, and, ultimately, the people. Where accountability can be strengthened without damaging national security, the Commission believes it should be.99

    https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/briefingpapers/files/72_-_swab_-_black_budgets.pdf

    They made a movie about Charlie Wilson called Charlie Wilson's War. POOTWH requested an $85B "black budget." So yea, Jack Ryan. We're 7 days in.

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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,355
    edited March 2022
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    OPEC needs to open the floodgates right now.
    Russia is an OPEC+ nation.  So I'm curious how they view this issue.  Will they box them out and increase supply or stand with the OPEC commitments to gradually increase supply throughout 2022?
    Russia is not an OPEC nation.  OPEC asked to stop production of Russia about a year ago and they said F U and ramped up production.
    Russia is an OPEC+ (Plus) nation. 
    No way Opec gives a shit what Russia says after what they did.  They say "OK" but I don't see it.  They will have to do something in order to not get mass global unapproval.

    Let's get those electric cars running and find a new set of countries to hold us by the balls.
  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    oil markets releasing 60 million barrels of oil.  I don't think that makes a dent considering the US alone uses 19.96 million barrels a day according to EIA. OPEC has to help, or we really have to cut off all russian energy imports to tank their market further?   Could OPEC and Russia tank the global economy if they decided to decrease output amid all this?
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,355
    static111 said:
    oil markets releasing 60 million barrels of oil.  I don't think that makes a dent considering the US alone uses 19.96 million barrels a day according to EIA. OPEC has to help, or we really have to cut off all russian energy imports to tank their market further?   Could OPEC and Russia tank the global economy if they decided to decrease output amid all this?
    Yes they could.  Just think if OPEC decided not to pump any oil.  Zero.  What would happen?  Shit stops moving.
  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    Scio me nihil scire

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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    I think saying "essentially" and "basically" was clear enough. 

    so Putin warned that any military assistance would result in catastrophic consequences. the US would be willing to risk that?

    Yeah, I think your statement is accurate.  Other countries have sent arms, and maybe there are some foreign ops there, but the fighting is being done by Ukrainians.  I have not heard of any other forces there.  I'm not sure anyone has even taken up Zelensyy's invitation for outsiders to join them in the resistance. 
    And yes, about Putin's words.  Other countries are aware of how unhinged this maniac is.  Sending troops their would potentially put their country at high risk. 
    Ukrainians are fighting an incredible uphill battle right now.  Their fortitude and resolve are remarkable.  I just hope they can keep it up.
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  • lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 13,877
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    Slava ukraini
    Glory to the Heroes. 
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    I could have sworn that last night I saw an article talking about how even without sanctions, Russian oil sales have been hit hard.  It was late, I was tired, maybe I'm remembering wrong- I can't find it.  Anybody got anything on this?
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  • dankinddankind Posts: 20,839
    edited March 2022
    brianlux said:
    I could have sworn that last night I saw an article talking about how even without sanctions, Russian oil sales have been hit hard.  It was late, I was tired, maybe I'm remembering wrong- I can't find it.  Anybody got anything on this?
    Bloomberg had an article regarding self-sanctions. S_C posted the author's tweet a couple of times.

    Edit: Here's a link to that article.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    dankind said:
    brianlux said:
    I could have sworn that last night I saw an article talking about how even without sanctions, Russian oil sales have been hit hard.  It was late, I was tired, maybe I'm remembering wrong- I can't find it.  Anybody got anything on this?
    Bloomberg had an article regarding self-sanctions. S_C posted the author's tweet a couple of times.

    Edit: Here's a link to that article.

    Very helpful, thanks!
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  • dudemandudeman Posts: 3,061
    FFS
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,526
    Time to read through the "If a crisis or or a war arrives" pamphlet that was sent out a year ago to all swedes from the authorities. 

    Russian fighter jet has violated Swedish airspace

    Four Russian fighter jets have violated Swedish airspace, the Swedish Armed Forces writes on its website.

    The Air Force carried out an operation with Jas 39 Gripen from the incident preparedness and documented the incident, in the form of photography.

    - This shows that our preparedness is good. We were on site to secure territorial integrity and Sweden's borders. We have full control of the situation, says Air Force Chief Carl-Johan Edström.

    Two Russian SU 27s and two Russian SU 24s violated Swedish airspace. The violation was short-lived and took place east of Gotland, across the sea.

    - In light of the current situation, we take the incident very seriously. It is an unprofessional and irresponsible action on the part of Russia, says the air force chief. 

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,025
    Time to read through the "If a crisis or or a war arrives" pamphlet that was sent out a year ago to all swedes from the authorities. 

    Russian fighter jet has violated Swedish airspace

    Four Russian fighter jets have violated Swedish airspace, the Swedish Armed Forces writes on its website.

    The Air Force carried out an operation with Jas 39 Gripen from the incident preparedness and documented the incident, in the form of photography.

    - This shows that our preparedness is good. We were on site to secure territorial integrity and Sweden's borders. We have full control of the situation, says Air Force Chief Carl-Johan Edström.

    Two Russian SU 27s and two Russian SU 24s violated Swedish airspace. The violation was short-lived and took place east of Gotland, across the sea.

    - In light of the current situation, we take the incident very seriously. It is an unprofessional and irresponsible action on the part of Russia, says the air force chief. 

    Time for a sternly written communique threatening recision of Putin on the ritz’s and POOTWH’s Nobel Peace Prize.
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,526
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited March 2022
    Time to read through the "If a crisis or or a war arrives" pamphlet that was sent out a year ago to all swedes from the authorities. 

    Russian fighter jet has violated Swedish airspace

    Four Russian fighter jets have violated Swedish airspace, the Swedish Armed Forces writes on its website.

    The Air Force carried out an operation with Jas 39 Gripen from the incident preparedness and documented the incident, in the form of photography.

    - This shows that our preparedness is good. We were on site to secure territorial integrity and Sweden's borders. We have full control of the situation, says Air Force Chief Carl-Johan Edström.

    Two Russian SU 27s and two Russian SU 24s violated Swedish airspace. The violation was short-lived and took place east of Gotland, across the sea.

    - In light of the current situation, we take the incident very seriously. It is an unprofessional and irresponsible action on the part of Russia, says the air force chief. 

    They are definitely monitoring Sweden.  Back in January:
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    I think we all could have guessed that one.  Remember the 2014 Olympics were in Sochi, Russia.  The Crimea invasion happened as soon as that was over. 
  • lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 13,877
    mrussel1 said:
    Slava ukraini
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