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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,488

    VILNIUS, Feb 24 (Reuters) - Lithuania's president declared a state of emergency on Thursday, telling the NATO country's army to deploy along its borders in response to "possible disturbances and provocations due to large military forces massed in Russia and Belarus".

    The state of emergency, declared hours after Russian forces invaded Ukraine, will be valid for two weeks.

    Parliament will meet later on Thursday to vote whether to confirm or cancel President Gitanas Nauseda decision.

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,521
    edited February 2022
    well, yay, Belarus has threatened full on nuclear war in allegiance with Putin:

    Belarusian leader Alexander Lukashenko said the country would use nuclear weapons and more as conflicts continued to grow with their ally Russia, according to the AFP.

    "If such stupid and mindless steps are taken by our rivals and opponents, we will deploy no only nuclear weapons, but super-nuclear and up-and-coming ones to protect our territory," Lukashenko said last week. 


    what in the sweet fuck are super nukes?

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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,107
    mace1229 said:
    static111 said:
    I'm thinking Putin may want to start WWIII just so he can try to shake up the geopolitical alliances.  I don'y see this stopping with Ukraine and I don't see a reason for just taking over Ukraine. He and his cronies are already rich and getting richer.  I think the goal may just be complete Geo Political destabilization.  
    The only thing I’ve heard to support him stopping at Ukraine is NATO. Since they aren’t part of it, there won’t be as much reassurance. But invade another country, there would be.
    But why not stop him swiftly now. Because Ukraine isn't officially a part of NATO.  They are still our allies.  it seems weak to not respond as forcefully as if this were a NATO member nation.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,521
    static111 said:
    mace1229 said:
    static111 said:
    I'm thinking Putin may want to start WWIII just so he can try to shake up the geopolitical alliances.  I don'y see this stopping with Ukraine and I don't see a reason for just taking over Ukraine. He and his cronies are already rich and getting richer.  I think the goal may just be complete Geo Political destabilization.  
    The only thing I’ve heard to support him stopping at Ukraine is NATO. Since they aren’t part of it, there won’t be as much reassurance. But invade another country, there would be.
    But why not stop him swiftly now. Because Ukraine isn't officially a part of NATO.  They are still our allies.  it seems weak to not respond as forcefully as if this were a NATO member nation.
    unfortunately, there are rules to this "game" that the good guys have to adhere to, and the bad guys don't. 
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    This is interesting

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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,539
    The comical thing is how Putin/Russia gets to decide who (and who doesn't) joins NATO. Fuck them. They'll justify to themselves that Western Germany is theirs for chrissakes. Give these idiots an inch they'll take it a mile. Just fucking completely cut them off and make them an isolated nation.
  • 23scidoo
    23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,996
    NATO is a joke.. big..
    Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015.
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    EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.

    I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    It still boggles my mind that most of Ukraine (as well as many Fox News viewers) didn't even think this would happen until a couple of days ago.
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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,107
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    static111 said:
    mace1229 said:
    static111 said:
    I'm thinking Putin may want to start WWIII just so he can try to shake up the geopolitical alliances.  I don'y see this stopping with Ukraine and I don't see a reason for just taking over Ukraine. He and his cronies are already rich and getting richer.  I think the goal may just be complete Geo Political destabilization.  
    The only thing I’ve heard to support him stopping at Ukraine is NATO. Since they aren’t part of it, there won’t be as much reassurance. But invade another country, there would be.
    But why not stop him swiftly now. Because Ukraine isn't officially a part of NATO.  They are still our allies.  it seems weak to not respond as forcefully as if this were a NATO member nation.
    unfortunately, there are rules to this "game" that the good guys have to adhere to, and the bad guys don't. 
    A recipe for the bad guys to win.  What am I doing listening to a Qtrumpublican anyway...
    Scio me nihil scire

    There are no kings inside the gates of eden
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,884
    23scidoo said:
    NATO is a joke.. big..
    NATO has no right under its charter to deploy troops in Ukraine.  
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,521
    static111 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    static111 said:
    mace1229 said:
    static111 said:
    I'm thinking Putin may want to start WWIII just so he can try to shake up the geopolitical alliances.  I don'y see this stopping with Ukraine and I don't see a reason for just taking over Ukraine. He and his cronies are already rich and getting richer.  I think the goal may just be complete Geo Political destabilization.  
    The only thing I’ve heard to support him stopping at Ukraine is NATO. Since they aren’t part of it, there won’t be as much reassurance. But invade another country, there would be.
    But why not stop him swiftly now. Because Ukraine isn't officially a part of NATO.  They are still our allies.  it seems weak to not respond as forcefully as if this were a NATO member nation.
    unfortunately, there are rules to this "game" that the good guys have to adhere to, and the bad guys don't. 
    A recipe for the bad guys to win.  What am I doing listening to a Qtrumpublican anyway...
    LOL
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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,415
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    NATO is a joke.. big..
    NATO has no right under its charter to deploy troops in Ukraine.  
    Putin knows NATO isn't a joke or he wouldn't be so concerned over Ukraine joining them. He wants to take it back before they have full authorized backing as a member.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    NATO is a joke.. big..
    NATO has no right under its charter to deploy troops in Ukraine.  
    No right, or not bound to? Serious question.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598

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  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,856
    The best hope is this turns on Putin and he loses power.  People of Russia need to rise up.  Fuck this guy
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,884
    edited February 2022
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    NATO is a joke.. big..
    NATO has no right under its charter to deploy troops in Ukraine.  
    No right, or not bound to? Serious question.
    Well that's a good question.  Definitely not bound to do so.  Whether they have it in their charter to do so,  I don't know.  
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,539
    edited February 2022
    The Juggler said:
    This is interesting

    This is what I was reading, too - gotta find the picture of the one soldier with their head bandaged basically saying, "look we had no idea we were going to go after anyone. This was all recon."
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,415
    The Juggler said:

    This is interesting to me, coupled with that other story about the Russian troops who surrendered already. Was this a half-measure to try and get the west to take a more aggressive response and justify further escalation by Putin and Russia? 
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,107
    tbergs said:
    The Juggler said:

    This is interesting to me, coupled with that other story about the Russian troops who surrendered already. Was this a half-measure to try and get the west to take a more aggressive response and justify further escalation by Putin and Russia? 
    That is a good theory. Hopefully the whole army surrenders.
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,831
    edited February 2022
    I do t understand all the intricacies of NATO. I don’t really even understand the point since the UN was made just a few years before. 
    I wouldnt think there’s anything preventing other countries from stepping in on their own, without the backing of NATO. But probably wanting to stay out of it in terms of feet on the ground until they are forced to. And that would be when one of the main members gets invaded. I wouldn’t even be surprised if Estonia gets invaded most of Europe thinks it’s not worth a war with Russia and not follow through.
    Ive been to Estonia twice, spent about 2 weeks each time. A really neat place with nice people and interesting history. It’s about 40% Russian because when Russia occupied it they just sent tons of people there. Apparently people would get a knock on their door in the middle of the night, told to board a train to Siberia, and gave their house to some Russians. Then 30 years later when the USSR fell, a lot came back trying to get their house and was a big mess. Really wouldn’t be surprised if Ukraine is successful for Putin that countries like that would be next. And one fear Estonians had when I was there was they are too small for the rest of Europe to really care about if/when Russia ever invaded.
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