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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,482

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    static111 said:
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    @mrussel1 Regarding Chernobyl. What other motivation does Putin have here?
    Look at a map. They are passing the area to get to Kyiv. 
    So they aren't trying to take control of Chernobyl? Just briskly passing by it on the way to smash the capitol? I mean obviously they are trying to take control of everything.  Why would the president make a big deal about Chernobyl if they are just passing it by?
    To get the world to act. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    static111 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    static111 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:

    @mrussel1 Regarding Chernobyl. What other motivation does Putin have here?
    Look at a map. They are passing the area to get to Kyiv. 
    So they aren't trying to take control of Chernobyl? Just briskly passing by it on the way to smash the capitol? I mean obviously they are trying to take control of everything.  Why would the president make a big deal about Chernobyl if they are just passing it by?
    They want to take it, but I don't think they want to destroy it. That doesn't make sense. 
  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,103
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    static111 said:
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    static111 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:

    @mrussel1 Regarding Chernobyl. What other motivation does Putin have here?
    Look at a map. They are passing the area to get to Kyiv. 
    So they aren't trying to take control of Chernobyl? Just briskly passing by it on the way to smash the capitol? I mean obviously they are trying to take control of everything.  Why would the president make a big deal about Chernobyl if they are just passing it by?
    To get the world to act. 
    Aren't they already acting?
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,482
    edited February 2022
    static111 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    static111 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    static111 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:

    @mrussel1 Regarding Chernobyl. What other motivation does Putin have here?
    Look at a map. They are passing the area to get to Kyiv. 
    So they aren't trying to take control of Chernobyl? Just briskly passing by it on the way to smash the capitol? I mean obviously they are trying to take control of everything.  Why would the president make a big deal about Chernobyl if they are just passing it by?
    To get the world to act. 
    Aren't they already acting?
    That is a relative term. I would imagine the Ukraine PM want the world to act more. His people are dying. And he is losing "his" country.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • CROJAM95
    CROJAM95 Posts: 10,855
    aliens

    if your real

    Pay Mr P a visit....humble his ass

    What nonsense this is
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,482

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    mace1229 said:
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    Gern Blansten said:
    Ridiculous to blame Biden for Putin's bullshit. If anything Putin is doing this to hurt Biden in hopes that puppetboy will get back in office.
    That’s also equally ridiculous. Purim’s actions aren’t Biden’s fault. And this isn’t a ploy to get Trump back. He’s power hungry and crazy.
    You can’t be certain of that! We don’t know how many talks Trumpolinni has had with Putin we just don’t know! Knowing all you know about our idiot ex-president would you put it past him? To do something as crazy as that? 
    Of course we can’t be certain on hypotheticals. Just like I’m not certain if Trump was in office Putin would still invade. But I believe that to be true. No one can b certain of that either. 
    And to suggest Trump has been planning this with Putin seems even crazier than before. For one, Biden’s polls are so low why would be do this now, even if he was up for it?
    Thats as crazy as any Qanon theory I’ve heard. 

    Did Putin help elect Trump?
    Did Trump take Putin's side regarding Crimea?
    Did Trump take Putin's side regarding interfering in our election?
    Did Trump do whatever he could to weaken NATO at every turn?
    Did Trump want to invite Russia back into the G7 as recently as 2 years ago?
    Did Trump call Putin's absurd reasoning for invading Ukraine "genius"?

    The answer is yes to all of the above but if you answered yes for even any of these questions, you'd see how your "hypothetical" scenario is yet another disingenuous argument on your behalf. If anything, it likely would've been easier for Putin to invade with Trump in office as Trump saw him as an ally instead of an adversary. And it makes even more sense for Putin to have Trump weaken NATO and divide the US further for four years. Putin was always going to invade Ukraine. 

    Stop watching Tucker Carlson. 




    I’m not sure your point. I said Putin would still invade if trump was in office. Then you go on this rant about how if Trump was in office he would have invaded and call me disingenuous. So this rant was agreeing me me? That’s why it’s confusing.
    And completely irrelevant to fox or Tucker. But I guess it makes you feel better throwing that in, even when we agree on something?
    Oh I thought you said you were "not certain if Trump was in office Putin would still invade"...as if there was some question about whether or not this could have happened with Trump in office or not. 
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  • 23scidoo
    23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,989
    Now, Kyiv is under siege..
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,482
    https://youtu.be/XP_YyXdYT5M
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,482
    static111 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    static111 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    static111 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:

    @mrussel1 Regarding Chernobyl. What other motivation does Putin have here?
    Look at a map. They are passing the area to get to Kyiv. 
    So they aren't trying to take control of Chernobyl? Just briskly passing by it on the way to smash the capitol? I mean obviously they are trying to take control of everything.  Why would the president make a big deal about Chernobyl if they are just passing it by?
    To get the world to act. 
    Aren't they already acting?

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,831
    The Juggler said:
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    josevolution said:
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    Gern Blansten said:
    Ridiculous to blame Biden for Putin's bullshit. If anything Putin is doing this to hurt Biden in hopes that puppetboy will get back in office.
    That’s also equally ridiculous. Purim’s actions aren’t Biden’s fault. And this isn’t a ploy to get Trump back. He’s power hungry and crazy.
    You can’t be certain of that! We don’t know how many talks Trumpolinni has had with Putin we just don’t know! Knowing all you know about our idiot ex-president would you put it past him? To do something as crazy as that? 
    Of course we can’t be certain on hypotheticals. Just like I’m not certain if Trump was in office Putin would still invade. But I believe that to be true. No one can b certain of that either. 
    And to suggest Trump has been planning this with Putin seems even crazier than before. For one, Biden’s polls are so low why would be do this now, even if he was up for it?
    Thats as crazy as any Qanon theory I’ve heard. 

    Did Putin help elect Trump?
    Did Trump take Putin's side regarding Crimea?
    Did Trump take Putin's side regarding interfering in our election?
    Did Trump do whatever he could to weaken NATO at every turn?
    Did Trump want to invite Russia back into the G7 as recently as 2 years ago?
    Did Trump call Putin's absurd reasoning for invading Ukraine "genius"?

    The answer is yes to all of the above but if you answered yes for even any of these questions, you'd see how your "hypothetical" scenario is yet another disingenuous argument on your behalf. If anything, it likely would've been easier for Putin to invade with Trump in office as Trump saw him as an ally instead of an adversary. And it makes even more sense for Putin to have Trump weaken NATO and divide the US further for four years. Putin was always going to invade Ukraine. 

    Stop watching Tucker Carlson. 




    I’m not sure your point. I said Putin would still invade if trump was in office. Then you go on this rant about how if Trump was in office he would have invaded and call me disingenuous. So this rant was agreeing me me? That’s why it’s confusing.
    And completely irrelevant to fox or Tucker. But I guess it makes you feel better throwing that in, even when we agree on something?
    Oh I thought you said you were "not certain if Trump was in office Putin would still invade"...as if there was some question about whether or not this could have happened with Trump in office or not. 
    The previous comment I responded to was You can’t be certain Trump and Putin didn’t plan this invasion together. I think that’s a ridiculous theory, Qanon level ridiculous. But hypothetically I guess I can’t be certain, that’s the nature of a hypothetical question. I had already said Putin would go in with Trump in office. That was my response to the Trump-Putin claim of certainty. If Trump was in office  is a hypothetical, no one can be 100% certain. But we can still believe it to be true. Out of context it may have looked like I’m saying there’s still question that he would or would not, but was just trying to address the hypothetical certainty aspect I was asked in response to this Trump-Putin tag team invasion theory.
    I don’t think it matters who is in office, Putin is going to tyrant.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    https://youtu.be/XP_YyXdYT5M
    Heartbreaking.  The refugee crisis will be terrible.  And I'm guessing the father is staying to fight. 
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,516
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    https://youtu.be/XP_YyXdYT5M
    Heartbreaking.  The refugee crisis will be terrible.  And I'm guessing the father is staying to fight. 
    totally. likely she'll never see her father again. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    And for what.  So Putin can loot another country,  impoverish it while enriching he and his cronies.  Sickening. 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    mrussel1 said:
    And for what.  So Putin can loot another country,  impoverish it while enriching he and his cronies.  Sickening. 
    Fucking horrible
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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,103
    I'm thinking Putin may want to start WWIII just so he can try to shake up the geopolitical alliances.  I don'y see this stopping with Ukraine and I don't see a reason for just taking over Ukraine. He and his cronies are already rich and getting richer.  I think the goal may just be complete Geo Political destabilization.  
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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,414
    NPR ran a piece this morning that I think does a good job of explaining Putin's possible motivation on why he is going after Ukraine and blames the west for pulling back on a verbal agreement not to expand NATO eastward when Germany unified. He understands that his time left (both in power and before Ukraine slips out of reach) is now. It's a slippery slope for him, but he personally has nothing much to lose. He's never cared for the citizens and this will impact them more than him.

    https://www.npr.org/2022/01/29/1076193616/ukraine-russia-nato-explainer
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,831
    static111 said:
    I'm thinking Putin may want to start WWIII just so he can try to shake up the geopolitical alliances.  I don'y see this stopping with Ukraine and I don't see a reason for just taking over Ukraine. He and his cronies are already rich and getting richer.  I think the goal may just be complete Geo Political destabilization.  
    The only thing I’ve heard to support him stopping at Ukraine is NATO. Since they aren’t part of it, there won’t be as much reassurance. But invade another country, there would be.

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