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  • mace1229 said:
    Former boxing champ and current mayor of Kyiv Vitali Klitschko taking up arms… 



    President Volodymyr Zelensky joining in the fight as well…


    that is badass. it seems weird to see that and know that the mayor of dc and the potus would never do that.
    Aside from the fact he’s president, it seems weird to you some 80 year old wouldn’t lead the charge into battle?
    not all presidents are 80 year old men.

    washington might have ridden in to battle. grant may have. kennedy was a war hero, so he had been there. these politicians today are a joke. it is all about posturing and picking fights that other people have to go fight while the politicians are safe with their secret service detail.
    Shoulda elected Pete.
    Biggest chance would be Bernie to pick up an US bought Swedish AK5 to protect the US.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,404
    mace1229 said:
    Former boxing champ and current mayor of Kyiv Vitali Klitschko taking up arms… 



    President Volodymyr Zelensky joining in the fight as well…


    that is badass. it seems weird to see that and know that the mayor of dc and the potus would never do that.
    Aside from the fact he’s president, it seems weird to you some 80 year old wouldn’t lead the charge into battle?
    not all presidents are 80 year old men.

    washington might have ridden in to battle. grant may have. kennedy was a war hero, so he had been there. these politicians today are a joke. it is all about posturing and picking fights that other people have to go fight while the politicians are safe with their secret service detail.
    Shoulda elected Pete.
    I really like Pete in 24
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,404
    Good discussion everyone.  

    Does anyone have a good understanding of our ballistic and nuclear missile defense capabilities?  Remember "Star Wars" from Reagan?  Did we ever implement anything like that so that if things did escalate, it isn't "Mutually assured destruction"?
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,156
    edited February 2022
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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 37,871
    edited February 2022
    mrussel1 said:
    Good discussion everyone.  

    Does anyone have a good understanding of our ballistic and nuclear missile defense capabilities?  Remember "Star Wars" from Reagan?  Did we ever implement anything like that so that if things did escalate, it isn't "Mutually assured destruction"?

    would assume iron dome tech would play some.

    biggest concern is this supersonic shit they recently tested.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 36,553
    FFS. I feel like we're heading towards WW3. 
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    mrussel1 said:
    Good discussion everyone.  

    Does anyone have a good understanding of our ballistic and nuclear missile defense capabilities?  Remember "Star Wars" from Reagan?  Did we ever implement anything like that so that if things did escalate, it isn't "Mutually assured destruction"?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aegis_Ballistic_Missile_Defense_System 
    I worked on these. Very capable.  There is other unpublicized stuff out there as well
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  • mrussel1 said:
    Good discussion everyone.  

    Does anyone have a good understanding of our ballistic and nuclear missile defense capabilities?  Remember "Star Wars" from Reagan?  Did we ever implement anything like that so that if things did escalate, it isn't "Mutually assured destruction"?
    star wars was about 35 years ago. i am sure some of that technology is obsolete by now. well, i am guessing at least.
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  • i do not know who made this, but this is a trend i am seeing on my social media at least. felt it could lighten the mood for a second.




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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,156
    edited February 2022
    leaving work now. Could barely sleep last night worrying about the attack on Kyiv. Logging of from the war. It's just so sad.
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  • JeBurkhardtJeBurkhardt Posts: 4,717
    i do not know who made this, but this is a trend i am seeing on my social media at least. felt it could lighten the mood for a second.




    This is so true. 
  • EU freezing Putin on the Ritz's and Lavatory's assets. It's a start. Can the US be far behind? What else should we do? I think there's things going on that we don't know about as it relates to support. Special Operations, types of weapons being supplied, etc. All in all, in the absence of a direct confrontation with the Russian military, there's limited options with the potential to escalate and spiral out of control. Here's hoping there's a Kremlin coup.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,404
    Glory to the heroes.

    Who knows how long they can hold it, but good for these guys. 

    https://www.the-sun.com/news/4768049/ukraine-russia-news-kyiv-airport-capture/
  • FFS. I feel like we're heading towards WW3. 
    Remember how many times we thought this during the 80's?
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,331
    mrussel1 said:
    Glory to the heroes.

    Who knows how long they can hold it, but good for these guys. 

    https://www.the-sun.com/news/4768049/ukraine-russia-news-kyiv-airport-capture/

    That was yesterday. Russia claims to have it back now.

    This is going to be a slaughter, but I hope I'm somehow wrong.

  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 36,553
    mrussel1 said:
    Glory to the heroes.

    Who knows how long they can hold it, but good for these guys. 

    https://www.the-sun.com/news/4768049/ukraine-russia-news-kyiv-airport-capture/
    that tank demolishing that poor woman by driving over car? that's a cowherd if I've ever seen one. pieces of garbage. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 36,553
    FFS. I feel like we're heading towards WW3. 
    Remember how many times we thought this during the 80's?
    I suppose. but it all seemed so far away back then (plus I was preteen at the time). Now it's right up in our faces. 
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,269
    mace1229 said:
    Former boxing champ and current mayor of Kyiv Vitali Klitschko taking up arms… 



    President Volodymyr Zelensky joining in the fight as well…


    that is badass. it seems weird to see that and know that the mayor of dc and the potus would never do that.
    Aside from the fact he’s president, it seems weird to you some 80 year old wouldn’t lead the charge into battle?
    not all presidents are 80 year old men.

    washington might have ridden in to battle. grant may have. kennedy was a war hero, so he had been there. these politicians today are a joke. it is all about posturing and picking fights that other people have to go fight while the politicians are safe with their secret service detail.
    I thought you were referring to the current president when you said the potus wouldn’t do that.
    Even still, that’s not odd. You dont have to be in the front lines to lead. Would you consider Eisenhower a joke of WWII since he wasn’t there leading the charge in DDay?
  • A very stable genius.

    Putin says Ukraine’s forces should ‘take power’ from Zelensky and ‘neo-Nazis’ in Kyiv

    Russian President Vladimir Putin has called on Ukraine’s armed forces to “take power” from the democratically elected government of President Volodymyr Zelensky, underscoring Putin’s determination to drive the Ukrainian leader from office.

    Addressing his hawkish Security Council by video link on Friday, Putin claimed “neo-Nazis” in Ukraine had placed heavy weapons in residential neighborhoods in cities like Kyiv and Kharkiv, saying they were “acting like terrorists” and using women, children, wives and elderly people “as human shields.”

    He said Russia’s main fight was not against the regular armed but what he called neo-Nazi gangs.

    Putin also claimed without evidence that the United States was advising these forces to deploy heavy weapons in civilian areas.

    His aggressive tone came just hours after the Kremlin said it would send a delegation to Minsk to negotiate Ukraine’s neutrality — while making it clear that nothing less than its capitulation would suffice.

    Putin said if Ukrainian armed forces seized power, “it would be easier to come to terms with you than this gang of drug addicts and neo-Nazis who have settled in Kyiv and taken the entire Ukrainian people hostage.”

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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 36,553
    has he lost his mind? or is he just trying to poison his troops into believing this is a noble war?
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,331
    Zelensky to EU leaders: "This might be the last time you see me alive


    Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky told EU leaders "this might be the last time you see me alive" during a video conference on Thursday night, two European sources briefed on the call tell Axios.

    State of play: The Pentagon has warned that Russia's primary aim appears to be to encircle Kyiv and "decapitate" its government. Meanwhile Zelensky said Thursday that Russian "sabotage forces" were in Kyiv and hunting for him and his family.

    Zelensky has been using his public and private remarks to pressure, and in some cases shame, countries to do more to help Ukraine and isolate Russia.
    Context: The video call took place before the leaders of EU countries decided on a new series of sanctions against Russia. Zelensky lobbied them to take steps they haven't been willing to so far, a European diplomat told me.

    Shortly before the call, Zelensky gave a televised address saying he was Russia's "number one" target for capture or assassination, and his family members were the "number two" target.
    Swedish Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson, who participated in the video conference, call told the TT news agency that when the EU leaders said goodbye to Zelensky they knew they might not see him again.
    The Financial Times reported earlier on Friday that Zelensky had told the EU leaders he didn’t know whether he would be able to speak with them again.
    The latest: Russian President Vladimir Putin has called on the Ukrainian military to perform a coup against Zelensky and then negotiate with Russia.

    https://www.axios.com/zelensky-eu-leaders-last-time-you-see-me-alive-3447dbc0-620d-4ccc-afad-082e81d7a29f.html
  • 23scidoo23scidoo Posts: 19,118
    A very stable genius.

    Putin says Ukraine’s forces should ‘take power’ from Zelensky and ‘neo-Nazis’ in Kyiv

    Russian President Vladimir Putin has called on Ukraine’s armed forces to “take power” from the democratically elected government of President Volodymyr Zelensky, underscoring Putin’s determination to drive the Ukrainian leader from office.

    Addressing his hawkish Security Council by video link on Friday, Putin claimed “neo-Nazis” in Ukraine had placed heavy weapons in residential neighborhoods in cities like Kyiv and Kharkiv, saying they were “acting like terrorists” and using women, children, wives and elderly people “as human shields.”

    He said Russia’s main fight was not against the regular armed but what he called neo-Nazi gangs.

    Putin also claimed without evidence that the United States was advising these forces to deploy heavy weapons in civilian areas.

    His aggressive tone came just hours after the Kremlin said it would send a delegation to Minsk to negotiate Ukraine’s neutrality — while making it clear that nothing less than its capitulation would suffice.

    Putin said if Ukrainian armed forces seized power, “it would be easier to come to terms with you than this gang of drug addicts and neo-Nazis who have settled in Kyiv and taken the entire Ukrainian people hostage.”

    This is of course a pretext but the neo-nazi problem in Ukraine is true and big..
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  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,680
    mrussel1 said:
    Glory to the heroes.

    Who knows how long they can hold it, but good for these guys. 

    https://www.the-sun.com/news/4768049/ukraine-russia-news-kyiv-airport-capture/
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  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,680
    has he lost his mind? or is he just trying to poison his troops into believing this is a noble war?

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  • 23scidoo said:
    A very stable genius.

    Putin says Ukraine’s forces should ‘take power’ from Zelensky and ‘neo-Nazis’ in Kyiv

    Russian President Vladimir Putin has called on Ukraine’s armed forces to “take power” from the democratically elected government of President Volodymyr Zelensky, underscoring Putin’s determination to drive the Ukrainian leader from office.

    Addressing his hawkish Security Council by video link on Friday, Putin claimed “neo-Nazis” in Ukraine had placed heavy weapons in residential neighborhoods in cities like Kyiv and Kharkiv, saying they were “acting like terrorists” and using women, children, wives and elderly people “as human shields.”

    He said Russia’s main fight was not against the regular armed but what he called neo-Nazi gangs.

    Putin also claimed without evidence that the United States was advising these forces to deploy heavy weapons in civilian areas.

    His aggressive tone came just hours after the Kremlin said it would send a delegation to Minsk to negotiate Ukraine’s neutrality — while making it clear that nothing less than its capitulation would suffice.

    Putin said if Ukrainian armed forces seized power, “it would be easier to come to terms with you than this gang of drug addicts and neo-Nazis who have settled in Kyiv and taken the entire Ukrainian people hostage.”

    This is of course a pretext but the neo-nazi problem in Ukraine is true and big..
    Have the neo-nazis taken Ukraine hostage and is Zelensky one of them? You say “big,” what percentage of the Ukrainian population identifies as or supports them?
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,404
    23scidoo said:
    A very stable genius.

    Putin says Ukraine’s forces should ‘take power’ from Zelensky and ‘neo-Nazis’ in Kyiv

    Russian President Vladimir Putin has called on Ukraine’s armed forces to “take power” from the democratically elected government of President Volodymyr Zelensky, underscoring Putin’s determination to drive the Ukrainian leader from office.

    Addressing his hawkish Security Council by video link on Friday, Putin claimed “neo-Nazis” in Ukraine had placed heavy weapons in residential neighborhoods in cities like Kyiv and Kharkiv, saying they were “acting like terrorists” and using women, children, wives and elderly people “as human shields.”

    He said Russia’s main fight was not against the regular armed but what he called neo-Nazi gangs.

    Putin also claimed without evidence that the United States was advising these forces to deploy heavy weapons in civilian areas.

    His aggressive tone came just hours after the Kremlin said it would send a delegation to Minsk to negotiate Ukraine’s neutrality — while making it clear that nothing less than its capitulation would suffice.

    Putin said if Ukrainian armed forces seized power, “it would be easier to come to terms with you than this gang of drug addicts and neo-Nazis who have settled in Kyiv and taken the entire Ukrainian people hostage.”

    This is of course a pretext but the neo-nazi problem in Ukraine is true and big..
    It's true, but I don't know how big. 
  • mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    A very stable genius.

    Putin says Ukraine’s forces should ‘take power’ from Zelensky and ‘neo-Nazis’ in Kyiv

    Russian President Vladimir Putin has called on Ukraine’s armed forces to “take power” from the democratically elected government of President Volodymyr Zelensky, underscoring Putin’s determination to drive the Ukrainian leader from office.

    Addressing his hawkish Security Council by video link on Friday, Putin claimed “neo-Nazis” in Ukraine had placed heavy weapons in residential neighborhoods in cities like Kyiv and Kharkiv, saying they were “acting like terrorists” and using women, children, wives and elderly people “as human shields.”

    He said Russia’s main fight was not against the regular armed but what he called neo-Nazi gangs.

    Putin also claimed without evidence that the United States was advising these forces to deploy heavy weapons in civilian areas.

    His aggressive tone came just hours after the Kremlin said it would send a delegation to Minsk to negotiate Ukraine’s neutrality — while making it clear that nothing less than its capitulation would suffice.

    Putin said if Ukrainian armed forces seized power, “it would be easier to come to terms with you than this gang of drug addicts and neo-Nazis who have settled in Kyiv and taken the entire Ukrainian people hostage.”

    This is of course a pretext but the neo-nazi problem in Ukraine is true and big..
    It's true, but I don't know how big. 
    Didn't we train them too?
  • AnnafalkAnnafalk Posts: 4,004
    It’s Putin acting like Hitler, Zelensky actually has Jewish heritage.
    I doubt Russians even want this war at all.

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