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  • dignin said:
    Well, reading this isn't very reassuring.


    Decision to invade Ukraine raises questions over Putin’s ‘sense of reality

    Officials in western capitals concerned by ‘despotic mindset’ of Russian president and rambling Monday speech increased doubts



    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/24/putin-russian-president-ukraine-invasion-mental-fitness

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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,367
    mace1229 said:
    Forgive my ignorance, but am I the only one who thought Chernobyl was not in use anymore? 
    I thought the same. They moved a giant cement dome over it that was supposed to last like 50 years and are in the process of planning the upgrade.
    So I don’t know what staff were evacuated. A few decades too late for that.
    Just looked it up. The new structure was built in 2020 and this one is supposed to last 100 years. Then they’ll just cover it with more cement I guess.
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,503
    If you haven’t seen it yet, I highly recommend “Chernobyl” on HBO max.  
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Kat said:
    Is Ukraine a distraction for something else going on?

    Are we still doing this?
  • "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • i don't know, but i do know that the ghost of kyiv is probably the most badass nickname i have ever heard.
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  • jhager79jhager79 Posts: 246
    With my anxiety in complete overdrive and the fact that I know I shouldn't do this I'm going to ask anyway.  How do we see this playing out? Does Russia attack North America? Ukraine surrender relatively quickly and become neutral like Finland?
    Nuclear attack? 

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,676
    jhager79 said:
    With my anxiety in complete overdrive and the fact that I know I shouldn't do this I'm going to ask anyway.  How do we see this playing out? Does Russia attack North America? Ukraine surrender relatively quickly and become neutral like Finland?
    Nuclear attack? 

    None of those.  Putin attempts to hold Kyiv with a puppet govt. I don't think he can.  He will try to negotiate for Ukraine to never be allowed in NATO as well.  

    Meanwhile the sanctions take their toll,  ruble crashes,  Russia is cut off from SWIFT while Ukraine guerrillas make life difficult.  I think he retreats to the two breakaway oblasts and stays there. 
  • it looks like the Ukrainians are in this for the long haul. They have already barred the exit of able-bodied men aged 18-60, meaning they are expected to stay and fight. Martial law. Guns and Javelins are being handed out to militia forces in an effort to bolster defenses.  Blood score thus far: 137 Ukrainian casualties. 350 Russians. Go Ukraine. Also, saw a diplomat woman from Ukraine talking about how after Russians  surrendered after a battle at the Belarusian border, the Russian soldiers were saying that they had no idea they would be attacking civilians… who the hell did they think they’d be battling at some point, and what bs have they been fed as to why this is happening? Let’s hope Putin is realizing he’s on his own
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,676
    it looks like the Ukrainians are in this for the long haul. They have already barred the exit of able-bodied men aged 18-60, meaning they are expected to stay and fight. Martial law. Guns and Javelins are being handed out to militia forces in an effort to bolster defenses.  Blood score thus far: 137 Ukrainian casualties. 350 Russians. Go Ukraine. Also, saw a diplomat woman from Ukraine talking about how after Russians  surrendered after a battle at the Belarusian border, the Russian soldiers were saying that they had no idea they would be attacking civilians… who the hell did they think they’d be battling at some point, and what bs have they been fed as to why this is happening? Let’s hope Putin is realizing he’s on his own
    Glory to Ukraine!
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    mrussel1 said:
    jhager79 said:
    With my anxiety in complete overdrive and the fact that I know I shouldn't do this I'm going to ask anyway.  How do we see this playing out? Does Russia attack North America? Ukraine surrender relatively quickly and become neutral like Finland?
    Nuclear attack? 

    None of those.  Putin attempts to hold Kyiv with a puppet govt. I don't think he can.  He will try to negotiate for Ukraine to never be allowed in NATO as well.  

    Meanwhile the sanctions take their toll,  ruble crashes,  Russia is cut off from SWIFT while Ukraine guerrillas make life difficult.  I think he retreats to the two breakaway oblasts and stays there. 
    When will you wake up?
  • benjsbenjs Posts: 9,150
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    jhager79 said:
    With my anxiety in complete overdrive and the fact that I know I shouldn't do this I'm going to ask anyway.  How do we see this playing out? Does Russia attack North America? Ukraine surrender relatively quickly and become neutral like Finland?
    Nuclear attack? 

    None of those.  Putin attempts to hold Kyiv with a puppet govt. I don't think he can.  He will try to negotiate for Ukraine to never be allowed in NATO as well.  

    Meanwhile the sanctions take their toll,  ruble crashes,  Russia is cut off from SWIFT while Ukraine guerrillas make life difficult.  I think he retreats to the two breakaway oblasts and stays there. 
    When will you wake up?
    I'm not informed enough to have any valid predictions on this, but what do you anticipate the game plan and/or the outcomes to be?
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,676
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    jhager79 said:
    With my anxiety in complete overdrive and the fact that I know I shouldn't do this I'm going to ask anyway.  How do we see this playing out? Does Russia attack North America? Ukraine surrender relatively quickly and become neutral like Finland?
    Nuclear attack? 

    None of those.  Putin attempts to hold Kyiv with a puppet govt. I don't think he can.  He will try to negotiate for Ukraine to never be allowed in NATO as well.  

    Meanwhile the sanctions take their toll,  ruble crashes,  Russia is cut off from SWIFT while Ukraine guerrillas make life difficult.  I think he retreats to the two breakaway oblasts and stays there. 
    When will you wake up?
    Well as a man who is 50% Ukrainian,  I have a strong belief in the national pride of Ukraine and their commitment to fight.  And we're seeing it already 

    What is your educated opinion?
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  • SpunkieSpunkie Posts: 6,676
    Mrussel thank you for sharing your wisdom & knowledge with us.

    SC thanks for the media updates. 
  • This is all very crazy. The long-term ramifications of this could be disastrous on so many different fronts.  
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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Posts: 17,042
    This is all very crazy. The long-term ramifications of this could be disastrous on so many different fronts.  
    Someone should let Putin know. Seems like it would be in his best interests to chill out...
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,503
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    jhager79 said:
    With my anxiety in complete overdrive and the fact that I know I shouldn't do this I'm going to ask anyway.  How do we see this playing out? Does Russia attack North America? Ukraine surrender relatively quickly and become neutral like Finland?
    Nuclear attack? 

    None of those.  Putin attempts to hold Kyiv with a puppet govt. I don't think he can.  He will try to negotiate for Ukraine to never be allowed in NATO as well.  

    Meanwhile the sanctions take their toll,  ruble crashes,  Russia is cut off from SWIFT while Ukraine guerrillas make life difficult.  I think he retreats to the two breakaway oblasts and stays there. 
    When will you wake up?
    BTW, nice of you to show up and move straight into dick mode. 
    This is amazing on so many levels.  Lol

    hoping and praying for the Ukrainians to stay in the fight!
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    jhager79 said:
    With my anxiety in complete overdrive and the fact that I know I shouldn't do this I'm going to ask anyway.  How do we see this playing out? Does Russia attack North America? Ukraine surrender relatively quickly and become neutral like Finland?
    Nuclear attack? 

    None of those.  Putin attempts to hold Kyiv with a puppet govt. I don't think he can.  He will try to negotiate for Ukraine to never be allowed in NATO as well.  

    Meanwhile the sanctions take their toll,  ruble crashes,  Russia is cut off from SWIFT while Ukraine guerrillas make life difficult.  I think he retreats to the two breakaway oblasts and stays there. 
    When will you wake up?
    BTW, nice of you to show up and move straight into dick mode. 
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    I think on this thread I’m ok with being the dick.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,676
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    jhager79 said:
    With my anxiety in complete overdrive and the fact that I know I shouldn't do this I'm going to ask anyway.  How do we see this playing out? Does Russia attack North America? Ukraine surrender relatively quickly and become neutral like Finland?
    Nuclear attack? 

    None of those.  Putin attempts to hold Kyiv with a puppet govt. I don't think he can.  He will try to negotiate for Ukraine to never be allowed in NATO as well.  

    Meanwhile the sanctions take their toll,  ruble crashes,  Russia is cut off from SWIFT while Ukraine guerrillas make life difficult.  I think he retreats to the two breakaway oblasts and stays there. 
    When will you wake up?
    BTW, nice of you to show up and move straight into dick mode. 
    https://youtu.be/y2GwrR-4Q9E

    I think on this thread I’m ok with being the dick.
    Why change your MO? Didn't know you were pro Putin these days.  
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,811
    No reason to engage unless he has something useful to share. Just here to derail and antagonize. Clearly above us lowly commoners who are unable to meet his superior intellect. 
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    jhager79 said:
    With my anxiety in complete overdrive and the fact that I know I shouldn't do this I'm going to ask anyway.  How do we see this playing out? Does Russia attack North America? Ukraine surrender relatively quickly and become neutral like Finland?
    Nuclear attack? 

    None of those.  Putin attempts to hold Kyiv with a puppet govt. I don't think he can.  He will try to negotiate for Ukraine to never be allowed in NATO as well.  

    Meanwhile the sanctions take their toll,  ruble crashes,  Russia is cut off from SWIFT while Ukraine guerrillas make life difficult.  I think he retreats to the two breakaway oblasts and stays there. 
    When will you wake up?
    Well as a man who is 50% Ukrainian,  I have a strong belief in the national pride of Ukraine and their commitment to fight.  And we're seeing it already 

    What is your educated opinion?
    I am with you on this. What I’m saddened about is the general naïveté that has existed on this forum for years. I was talking about this shit pre-trump. I said that this was coming and that the world is sleep walking towards disaster. I do not doubt that the Ukrainian’s are committed to fight but I doubt the West is willing or even able to support them. This is a forum that believes western civilization is inherently evil. Rot is everywhere. The barbarians are at the gates. They know we are weak. China will move next. Then Iran. There will be no Putin retreat. There will be no European tour. 

    #standwithukraine
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    jhager79 said:
    With my anxiety in complete overdrive and the fact that I know I shouldn't do this I'm going to ask anyway.  How do we see this playing out? Does Russia attack North America? Ukraine surrender relatively quickly and become neutral like Finland?
    Nuclear attack? 

    None of those.  Putin attempts to hold Kyiv with a puppet govt. I don't think he can.  He will try to negotiate for Ukraine to never be allowed in NATO as well.  

    Meanwhile the sanctions take their toll,  ruble crashes,  Russia is cut off from SWIFT while Ukraine guerrillas make life difficult.  I think he retreats to the two breakaway oblasts and stays there. 
    When will you wake up?
    BTW, nice of you to show up and move straight into dick mode. 
    https://youtu.be/y2GwrR-4Q9E

    I think on this thread I’m ok with being the dick.
    Why change your MO? Didn't know you were pro Putin these days.  
    Ha. So typical of this forum. A year of disasters and still no introspection. 
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    tbergs said:
    No reason to engage unless he has something useful to share. Just here to derail and antagonize. Clearly above us lowly commoners who are unable to meet his superior intellect. 
    https://youtu.be/Uz1Jwyxd4tE
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Only truckers get their bank accounts frozen.
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