Thanks slightofJeff. I appreciate the support.
To Keithcandyl. If you really want me to answer ths question, I have no idea if this thread will 'attract Ed to Christ', I think this may be asking a little much. I hope that nothing I have said would turn him further away, but even if it does, thats not my fault if I have been honest and respectful. Anyway that wasn't my motive in starting this thread, I jast wanted to speak about how my relationship with the bands music has changed and my thoughts about why. What appalled me was that you thought I had no right to do this. Peace brother.
Peace
And if there's something you'd like to do. Oh, just let me continue to blame you.
Hi. Your post is a breath of fresh air. I think you are probably right that Ed is not yet an out and out Atheist of the Dawkins kind. However, I dont think it is true that the music only gives the questions, not the answers. This used to be true, pre Binaural, but now the songs (and quotes) explicitly reject the God of the Bible and endorse Darwinism. Darwinism is a product of the philosophical paradigm of naturalism, which expressely rejects any any sort of intelligent input in the creation of the universe, or biological life. For this reason PJ music does now promote an atheistic worldview. Regarding your comments about Jesus and Judaism, I do not think Jesus teachings contradicted Judaism, rather as a Rabbi himself, his teachings represent a brilliant exposition of the Jewish faith that endorses the torah (mathew ch5) and takes it to a new level by his words and actions. For example, many people think that 'love your enemies' unique to Jesus, but really it is his exposition of the torah command to 'love your neighbour as yourself'. Jesus corrected the misinterpretation of the term 'neighbour' as 'friends' and showed that it includes those we dislike. Peace
I agree that there is a surf connection in GTF. Ed's lyrics are scarcely as straighforward as sticking to one narrow subject. I think he is juxtaposing his own experiences of exhilaration (surfing) as a way of describing how Jesus must have felt as he was resurrected from the dead (and maybe from hell). To be back amongst the living must have been quite a buzz, we all have this kind of feeling after a brush with death, maybe Ed had one once and it made him climb a tree and have a smoke, who knows? Also, as someone has just pointed out, while he may not have been a surfer, Jesus walked on the sea of Galilee after his resurrection, quite literally, the sea was his floor. Peace.
people can and may infer from lyrics whatever they wish...doesn't make it true. we all can have our varying interpretations of the 'meaning'....second-guess e's motivations, etc. yes, what ed has spoken out publicly would suggest he would NOT be writing from a religious, christ-centered perspective.....ever. not on the first album, the last, or any in between. however, if one wants to believe that ed did in fact write from that perspective at one time or another...more power to you. get from the music whatever you can. enjoy it all. i may fully disagree with your perspective, but it in no way infringes on my musical enjoyment, or my personal perspective on it. i also have no religious agenda and thus no fear or desire to turn him towards a god, etc. for me, spirituality is a very personal thing. however, i do believe it would be a very interesting discussion to have with ed. that's the only way one would ever truly know his motivations.....a conversation with ed. i'd happily vounteer for that.
hi again. yes I think you are right, and I'm glad someone has acknowledged that ed did 'try' to reconcile God with what he saw around him. This was also the greatest problem for me, I have met a lot of people that I have judged to be 'good people' even 'amazing' people, yet they reject the message of the gospel. Why does this mean they should be condemned? it seems obscene. But this is not a question about God's existence, only about his character. If we dont like the situation (most of us dont) we can do 3 things. 1. Hate God, 2. Convince ourselves that he doesn't exist, or 3. Shout at him and ask for some answers. For a long time I did the first, I tried the second but I couldn't do it, then I did the third. I didn't get any answers but something changed. because I acknowledged him, even if in anger, he started to pursue me. Maybe he was pursuing me all along. I dont have the answers to the big questions about why the world is the way it is, but denying God is not the answer, shout at him instead. Job in the Bible did this too, God did not give him any answers either but he responded by revealing himself to him. This gave Job, and me, the ability to say: ok, you know better than me. Peace.
I certainly dont think Ed has ever written from a Christ-centred perspective. I just think that during the early albums he was open to the possibility of God and searching for him, then after yield, this search ended and he became an atheist. I think Yield, and particularly GTF, was the pinacle of the search and the point where Ed fully considered and then rejected Jesus and the message of the gospel. The only relevant comment Ed seems to have made about GTF is 'its a childrens story' but since his journey has left the Bible behind, it fits that he would regard the gospel story as a childrens story. Atheist friends of mine have sometimes mocked the Bible saying it should stay in sunday school, i.e "we grown ups know better, we know the world is millions of years old and that life evolved by chance". Perhaps this is the sense of his comment.
I know he means no harm, but this fellow has brought EV out into a public forum to talk about his state of grace. How would it make you feel if a bunch of people were sitting around all day on a forum talking about how you're not a Christian? Would that incline you to accept Christ? That's my only point.
There are infinite reasons Ed's not going to be inclined to accept Christ. The fact that his disbelief was mentioned on a web site he doesn't read would be way down on the list, I'd wager.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
I don't exactly know what the soul is, I think it's the bit of us that discernes beteen good and evil, and can commune with God. Atheists can have hope for a good remainder of their life, and for the world once they are gone. But atheists have no hope for themselves beyond the grave. Interesting that Ed still had some hope for life beyond the grave on Binaural in 'lightyears' 'and wherever you are, and wherever we might go (even if somewhere good???), it dont seem fair, you seemed to like it here.' I wonder if that hope is still there?
Interesting that Ed still had some hope for life beyond the grave on Binaural in 'lightyears' 'and wherever you are, and wherever we might go (even if somewhere good???), it dont seem fair, you seemed to like it here.' I wonder if that hope is still there?
that's a love song about...uhmmm...a woman! not christ or the afterlife )
"It was a kind of a sick, disturbed rock opera - if Nietzsche were to write a rock opera,"-Jeff Ament about Eddie's first three songs
I've had enough, said enough, felt enough, I'm fine now.
Push me pull me. See ya later
<present tense inhabiter #0003 & Even Flow psycho #0036>
that's a love song about...uhmmm...a woman! not christ or the afterlife )
He never said it was about Christ. Please try to pay attention.
PS -- And it's not a love song at all. It's about death. And, in part, about where we go when we die. Which would make it sort of about the afterlife, now wouldn't it?
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
He never said it was about Christ. Please try to pay attention.
PS -- And it's not a love song at all. It's about death. And, in part, about where we go when we die. Which would make it sort of about the afterlife, now wouldn't it?
what?? light years is a song about DEATH?? please explain your point of view, the lyrics are right here:
I've used hammers made out of wood.
I have played games with pieces and rules.
I undeciphered tricks at the bar.
But now you're gone. I haven't figured out why.
I've come up with riddles and jokes about war.
I figured out numbers and what they're for.
I've understood feelings and I've understood words but how could you be taken away?
And wherever you've gone and wherever we might go.
It don't seem fair. Today just disappeared.
Your lights reflected now. Reflected from afar.
We were but stones. Your light made us stars.
With heavy breath awakened regrets.
Back pages and days alone that could have been spent together but we were miles apart.
Every inch between us becomes light years now.
No time to be void or save up on life.
Oh, you got to spend it all.
And wherever you've gone and wherever we might go.
It don't seem fair. You seam to like it here.
Your lights reflected now. Reflected from afar.
We were but stones. Your light made us stars.
And wherever you've gone and wherever we might go.
It don't seem fair. Today just disappeared.
Your lights reflected now. Reflected from afar.
We were by stones. Your light made us stars.
PS: i do pay attention, it was a joke the part about jesus
"It was a kind of a sick, disturbed rock opera - if Nietzsche were to write a rock opera,"-Jeff Ament about Eddie's first three songs
I've had enough, said enough, felt enough, I'm fine now.
Push me pull me. See ya later
<present tense inhabiter #0003 & Even Flow psycho #0036>
I believe there are many different ways to search for God (a.k.a. The Truth). Some choose to follow the well trodden roads of the world's great religions, while others choose not to. And you do not have to be labeled an 'Atheist' if you do not believe in the God of the religions, yet still believe in the Truth. The problem is created when the religions try to corner the market on God, making their well trodden highway the Truth... the ONLY... and exclusionary... Truth.
I also believe that a listener to music will make up his or her personal interpretations to what they hear. Basically, hearing what they want to hear, rather than what the artist is actually saying. I can see why people will interpret 'Given To Fly' with Jesus... but, that may NOT be the truth. Truth is... Ed knows what his inspiration is. In order to find that specific truth... What was 'Given To Fly' written about?... you need to ask Ed.
Even THAT may not yield the truth because Ed might (and probably will) give you some bullshit answer.
I also believe that you don't need religion to find God... leastwise, I don't need that sometimes made out to be a reak jerk God that the Bible defines Him as. There are passages where He is too much like Man... I believe God is greater than that and doesn't waste His time on being a petty asshole. Nature, Truth... those are synonyms for God. You don't need a man-made church to figure this out... the Oceans, the Mountains... those are the churches He built. I figure I'd have a better time finding him there... than that air-conditioned glass and drywall structure on the corner.
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As for Jesus... I still out on that whole resurrection/Son of God thing. I do believe in His teachings and that He was a great man of PEACE. I'm thinking that maybe he's not too cool with some of the things that people are doing in His name. And He never struck me as the type of guy who'd want a whole religion based on Him... he just seemed way to humble for that.
But, what do I know? I don't know shit... I know I don't know... and I know that no one else knows, either... but, at least I know that's the truth.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
On your'e last point. Intelligent Design has struch a death-blow to Darwinism by exposing its fragile foundations. The movement's founder, Philip Johnson, is a Harvard Law Proffessor and after discerning that 'something about their [darwinist scientists] rhetoric made me think that they had something to hide.' Johnson put the evidence for Darwin's theory on trial. In his book 'Darwin on Trial' he cross-examines all the alleged evidences for the theory and concludes that: ‘As a general theory of biological creation, Darwinism is not empirical at all. Rather, it is a necessary implication of a philosophical doctrine called scientific naturalism, which is based on an a priori assumption that God was always absent from the realm of nature.’ The foundation of darwinism is philosophy, not science, and now that this has been exposed, the whole edifice is beggining to crumble. If you look on the Discovery Institute website, you will see a list of over 400 pHD scientists that now seriously doubt the validity of Darwinism. The Darwinian establishment is desperately trying to discredit these scientists by character assassination and denial that their is even a controversy over the origins of life. But the truth is out. Peace. p.s all good things come from seattle!!
I know its about death. but the chorus has hope beyond this. 'every inch between us becomes lightyears now' implies that the deceased friend still exists out there somewhere. Furthermore, as I said 'wherever we might go, it dont seem fair' heavily implies a better place. He is saying 'even if you are in a better place, its still not fair. you liked it here and I liked having you around'
Surely you're better than this name-calling. For the record, I am not Scott Stap, I cant even spell his name. I don't like Creed. I am an old time Pearl Jam fan from England. And by the way, someone suggested that I was from the younger generation and perhaps a recent convert to the band. I am 32 and I have been a fan from the start. I was introduced to the band by seeing the video for 'hunger strike' when it first came out and being blown away by it. The rest is, as they say, history.
what?? light years is a song about DEATH?? please explain your point of view
I can't decide if you are being totally sarcastic, or if you really didn't know Light Years was about Ed's friend, Diane Muus, who died.
At the risk of missing out on your sarcasm, I'll play along: The song is about good people who die too young, and you miss the chance to say goodbye. And you lament every moment you had to spend with that person, and didn't ("every inch between us becomes light years now")
Ed at Pinkpop 2000: "You have got friends that don't fuck up at all and are great people. And then you just lose them for some reason. They are off the planet and you never had a chance to say goodbye. I only mention this because there was a person we used to know here and that was Diane and ah, we never got a chance to say goodbye. This is goodbye. And if you've got good friends, love them while they're here."
It is relevant to this thread because it sort of hints at an afterlife "and where ever you've gone ..." Like Come Back eight years later, it hints that there is something else after death.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
I said I know because I was at a PJ gig and Ed introduced the song by saying that it was about a friend who had died, plus this kind of fits quite well with the lyrics, not to mention the emotion, of the song. Peace
I can't decide if you are being totally sarcastic, or if you really didn't know Light Years was about Ed's friend, Diane Muus, who died.
At the risk of missing out on your sarcasm, I'll play along: The song is about good people who die too young, and you miss the chance to say goodbye. And you lament every moment you had to spend with that person, and didn't ("every inch between us becomes light years now")
Ed at Pinkpop 2000: "You have got friends that don't fuck up at all and are great people. And then you just lose them for some reason. They are off the planet and you never had a chance to say goodbye. I only mention this because there was a person we used to know here and that was Diane and ah, we never got a chance to say goodbye. This is goodbye. And if you've got good friends, love them while they're here."
It is relevant to this thread because it sort of hints at an afterlife "and where ever you've gone ..." Like Come Back eight years later, it hints that there is something else after death.
i did not know this stuff, thanks for giving them to me. ok, i was wrong, i admit it:) but chill on that hinting that there is something else after life. if you make an assumption like this i think you should compare it to ed's background
"It was a kind of a sick, disturbed rock opera - if Nietzsche were to write a rock opera,"-Jeff Ament about Eddie's first three songs
I've had enough, said enough, felt enough, I'm fine now.
Push me pull me. See ya later
<present tense inhabiter #0003 & Even Flow psycho #0036>
I certainly dont think Ed has ever written from a Christ-centred perspective. I just think that during the early albums he was open to the possibility of God and searching for him, then after yield, this search ended and he became an atheist. I think Yield, and particularly GTF, was the pinacle of the search and the point where Ed fully considered and then rejected Jesus and the message of the gospel. The only relevant comment Ed seems to have made about GTF is 'its a childrens story' but since his journey has left the Bible behind, it fits that he would regard the gospel story as a childrens story. Atheist friends of mine have sometimes mocked the Bible saying it should stay in sunday school, i.e "we grown ups know better, we know the world is millions of years old and that life evolved by chance". Perhaps this is the sense of his comment.
i think you come at this all from a christ-centered perspective, which of course is understandable...and would also skew your view some. even if ed were 'searching'....there is no reason, truly, to believe he was only thinking of jesus. there ARe other religions, and other religious figures, his focus could've been on. beyond that....i disagree. i don't think ed was anymore 'searching' back then than he is now. in fact, i think quite the opposite. as is common in our youth, i think we feel more like we 'know it all'...and the older we get, the more open we become. i think on the iconoclasts? special ed was on, talking about the doubl-erainbow he saw....he referenced the idea of a god? i personally do not think ed is 100% atheist, more like agnostic. i think he does have a searching mind and soul....but rejects organized religion and all it's devisiveness. there are many, many worldviews out there...that ARE religious...and nothing to do with christianity. as i said in my first post, i think ed takes a much more natural view of the world. perhaps a god, or not. i think he doubts, yet does not entirely discount the posssibility, but none the less......focusing on nature. bottomline, it's all conjecture and inference. only way to know is through ed. we could pick apart numerous lyrics to fit our own, biased interpretations and what we believe....or what we think ed meant....and it still wouldn't prove a thing. personally, i think ed is a lot more open, to everything...and seems far more content, happy and enjoying his life...now more than ever. so whatever his beliefs, they seem to be serving him well. kudos ed. enjoy life!
So does anybody remember when Ed was very reluctant to divulge the actual meaning to his lyrics because he wanted people to make their own conclusions and interpretations about them. Ed never took anybody on a lyrical or spiritual journey people took their own lyrical or spiritual journey's on Ed's lyrics. He put them out their we came up with our own conclusions whatever they might be. Personally I've never seen any religous themes running through his lyrics.
it has just occured to me that the last few post about lightyears illustrate my point about meaning. Of course, we could create our own subjective meanings for the song, but that doesn't change the fact that it has a meaning intended by the author - an expression of loss over a friend who has died. Now that we know this, I doubt anyone (except maybe that cheeky anarchist grunger) will suggest that it means anything different. I think the same is true for all songs, its just that we usually dont have the vital key of the songwriter's circumstances and thought when he wrote the song.
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Check out 'Judgement Day: Intelligent Design on Trial' http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/id/
Phillip Johnson is mentioned there.
"Phillip Johnson is known as the father of intelligent design. The idea in its current form appeared in the 1980s, and Johnson adopted and developed it after Darwinian evolution came up short, in his view, in explaining how all organisms, including humans, came into being. Johnson taught law for over 30 years at the University of California at Berkeley and is the author of the book Darwin on Trial, in which he argues that empirical evidence in support of Darwin's theory is lacking."
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Intelligent Design is NOT science. It is Creationism re-packaged and re-labeled to be sold to us as something it is not.
I really don't mind Creationist beliefs... but, they look like real tools when they try to pass it off as science.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
it has just occured to me that the last few post about lightyears illustrate my point about meaning. Of course, we could create our own subjective meanings for the song, but that doesn't change the fact that it has a meaning intended by the author - an expression of loss over a friend who has died. Now that we know this, I doubt anyone (except maybe that cheeky anarchist grunger) will suggest that it means anything different. I think the same is true for all songs, its just that we usually dont have the vital key of the songwriter's circumstances and thought when he wrote the song.
1. i wasn't aware of that quote from pinkpop. this doesn't imply that ed believes in something after death, it's just your interpretation.
2. you're right, hermeneutics is big business.
"It was a kind of a sick, disturbed rock opera - if Nietzsche were to write a rock opera,"-Jeff Ament about Eddie's first three songs
I've had enough, said enough, felt enough, I'm fine now.
Push me pull me. See ya later
<present tense inhabiter #0003 & Even Flow psycho #0036>
I never said that ed or PJ took me on a spiritual journey. It was my own journey and Ed's voice was just one of many that I listened to, but because I was searching for truth and pondering God, Ed's lyrics connected. Others who were grappling with God, or fighting against him were also part of my journey. Layne Staley was a fighter. I think that, like me, he believed in the Biblical God but hated the consequences. he tried to sew his eyes shut (man in a box) but the struggle remained to the bitter end, see 'God Am' on 'Alice in Chains'. Others were more positive, like Mark Lanegan (all of Dust and Whiskey but especially Gospel Plow and Traveller) you might think i'm just inserting my own meaning here too but I have talked with Mark a bit about God and I know that i'm not. Chris Cornell is interesting too, God has always been in the background but came to the foreground on Audioslave's first album, check 'show me how to live' and 'light my way'.
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EV Chi 1, 08/21/08
EV Memphis, 06/20/09
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
There are infinite reasons Ed's not going to be inclined to accept Christ. The fact that his disbelief was mentioned on a web site he doesn't read would be way down on the list, I'd wager.
for the least they could possibly do
that's a love song about...uhmmm...a woman! not christ or the afterlife
I've had enough, said enough, felt enough, I'm fine now.
Push me pull me. See ya later
<present tense inhabiter #0003 & Even Flow psycho #0036>
He never said it was about Christ. Please try to pay attention.
PS -- And it's not a love song at all. It's about death. And, in part, about where we go when we die. Which would make it sort of about the afterlife, now wouldn't it?
for the least they could possibly do
what?? light years is a song about DEATH?? please explain your point of view, the lyrics are right here:
I've used hammers made out of wood.
I have played games with pieces and rules.
I undeciphered tricks at the bar.
But now you're gone. I haven't figured out why.
I've come up with riddles and jokes about war.
I figured out numbers and what they're for.
I've understood feelings and I've understood words but how could you be taken away?
And wherever you've gone and wherever we might go.
It don't seem fair. Today just disappeared.
Your lights reflected now. Reflected from afar.
We were but stones. Your light made us stars.
With heavy breath awakened regrets.
Back pages and days alone that could have been spent together but we were miles apart.
Every inch between us becomes light years now.
No time to be void or save up on life.
Oh, you got to spend it all.
And wherever you've gone and wherever we might go.
It don't seem fair. You seam to like it here.
Your lights reflected now. Reflected from afar.
We were but stones. Your light made us stars.
And wherever you've gone and wherever we might go.
It don't seem fair. Today just disappeared.
Your lights reflected now. Reflected from afar.
We were by stones. Your light made us stars.
PS: i do pay attention, it was a joke the part about jesus
I've had enough, said enough, felt enough, I'm fine now.
Push me pull me. See ya later
<present tense inhabiter #0003 & Even Flow psycho #0036>
I also believe that a listener to music will make up his or her personal interpretations to what they hear. Basically, hearing what they want to hear, rather than what the artist is actually saying. I can see why people will interpret 'Given To Fly' with Jesus... but, that may NOT be the truth. Truth is... Ed knows what his inspiration is. In order to find that specific truth... What was 'Given To Fly' written about?... you need to ask Ed.
Even THAT may not yield the truth because Ed might (and probably will) give you some bullshit answer.
I also believe that you don't need religion to find God... leastwise, I don't need that sometimes made out to be a reak jerk God that the Bible defines Him as. There are passages where He is too much like Man... I believe God is greater than that and doesn't waste His time on being a petty asshole. Nature, Truth... those are synonyms for God. You don't need a man-made church to figure this out... the Oceans, the Mountains... those are the churches He built. I figure I'd have a better time finding him there... than that air-conditioned glass and drywall structure on the corner.
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As for Jesus... I still out on that whole resurrection/Son of God thing. I do believe in His teachings and that He was a great man of PEACE. I'm thinking that maybe he's not too cool with some of the things that people are doing in His name. And He never struck me as the type of guy who'd want a whole religion based on Him... he just seemed way to humble for that.
But, what do I know? I don't know shit... I know I don't know... and I know that no one else knows, either... but, at least I know that's the truth.
Hail, Hail!!!
seriously, this is not the creed forum
oh, by the way, are you a fan of "Expelled"?
I've had enough, said enough, felt enough, I'm fine now.
Push me pull me. See ya later
<present tense inhabiter #0003 & Even Flow psycho #0036>
oooh, excuse me, i wasn't aware of the fact that you KNOW.
ps: do you know that black is about worshiping satan?
I've had enough, said enough, felt enough, I'm fine now.
Push me pull me. See ya later
<present tense inhabiter #0003 & Even Flow psycho #0036>
I can't decide if you are being totally sarcastic, or if you really didn't know Light Years was about Ed's friend, Diane Muus, who died.
At the risk of missing out on your sarcasm, I'll play along: The song is about good people who die too young, and you miss the chance to say goodbye. And you lament every moment you had to spend with that person, and didn't ("every inch between us becomes light years now")
Ed at Pinkpop 2000: "You have got friends that don't fuck up at all and are great people. And then you just lose them for some reason. They are off the planet and you never had a chance to say goodbye. I only mention this because there was a person we used to know here and that was Diane and ah, we never got a chance to say goodbye. This is goodbye. And if you've got good friends, love them while they're here."
It is relevant to this thread because it sort of hints at an afterlife "and where ever you've gone ..." Like Come Back eight years later, it hints that there is something else after death.
for the least they could possibly do
it was a joke
I've had enough, said enough, felt enough, I'm fine now.
Push me pull me. See ya later
<present tense inhabiter #0003 & Even Flow psycho #0036>
i did not know this stuff, thanks for giving them to me. ok, i was wrong, i admit it:) but chill on that hinting that there is something else after life. if you make an assumption like this i think you should compare it to ed's background
I've had enough, said enough, felt enough, I'm fine now.
Push me pull me. See ya later
<present tense inhabiter #0003 & Even Flow psycho #0036>
i think you come at this all from a christ-centered perspective, which of course is understandable...and would also skew your view some. even if ed were 'searching'....there is no reason, truly, to believe he was only thinking of jesus. there ARe other religions, and other religious figures, his focus could've been on. beyond that....i disagree. i don't think ed was anymore 'searching' back then than he is now. in fact, i think quite the opposite. as is common in our youth, i think we feel more like we 'know it all'...and the older we get, the more open we become. i think on the iconoclasts? special ed was on, talking about the doubl-erainbow he saw....he referenced the idea of a god? i personally do not think ed is 100% atheist, more like agnostic. i think he does have a searching mind and soul....but rejects organized religion and all it's devisiveness. there are many, many worldviews out there...that ARE religious...and nothing to do with christianity. as i said in my first post, i think ed takes a much more natural view of the world. perhaps a god, or not. i think he doubts, yet does not entirely discount the posssibility, but none the less......focusing on nature. bottomline, it's all conjecture and inference. only way to know is through ed. we could pick apart numerous lyrics to fit our own, biased interpretations and what we believe....or what we think ed meant....and it still wouldn't prove a thing. personally, i think ed is a lot more open, to everything...and seems far more content, happy and enjoying his life...now more than ever. so whatever his beliefs, they seem to be serving him well. kudos ed. enjoy life!
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
.....oh do you get supernanny over their?
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wooooho, a little bit of sarcasm, i like it
I've had enough, said enough, felt enough, I'm fine now.
Push me pull me. See ya later
<present tense inhabiter #0003 & Even Flow psycho #0036>
Check out 'Judgement Day: Intelligent Design on Trial'
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/id/
Phillip Johnson is mentioned there.
"Phillip Johnson is known as the father of intelligent design. The idea in its current form appeared in the 1980s, and Johnson adopted and developed it after Darwinian evolution came up short, in his view, in explaining how all organisms, including humans, came into being. Johnson taught law for over 30 years at the University of California at Berkeley and is the author of the book Darwin on Trial, in which he argues that empirical evidence in support of Darwin's theory is lacking."
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Intelligent Design is NOT science. It is Creationism re-packaged and re-labeled to be sold to us as something it is not.
I really don't mind Creationist beliefs... but, they look like real tools when they try to pass it off as science.
Hail, Hail!!!
1. i wasn't aware of that quote from pinkpop. this doesn't imply that ed believes in something after death, it's just your interpretation.
2. you're right, hermeneutics is big business.
I've had enough, said enough, felt enough, I'm fine now.
Push me pull me. See ya later
<present tense inhabiter #0003 & Even Flow psycho #0036>
you do realize that not everyone is christian, right?
and that religion and spirituality are different things?