Ed and God

theoceansmademe

BhagavadGita wrote:

timsinclair wrote:

In my own spiritual journey Ed has been a constant voice, a co-searcher of truth. I used to be amazed how new albums seemed to reflect my own searchings. But now we are adrift, worlds apart. From Ten to Yield, Ed's lyrics beat a genuine, honest, and real, path to God. After the metaphysical groping of vitalogy and no code,Yield's affirmation of faith and heavy allusions to the crucifixion of Jesus in Given to fly, made it the the soundtrack to my own recent submission to God. However, although remnants remained on Binaural, it soon became clear that Ed had seen the truth, counted the cost, and turned back. Now I am dismayed by the anti-Christian videos on tenclubs activism page and the 'God is a delusion' messages in Ed's lyrics. I feel gutted that ed did not come along for the ride, he's missed the greatest discovery of all - Life as a disciple of Jesus. I feel like I've lost a friend, am I the only one who feels this way?

I think this person is just expressing his own experience with the band. It's ok to feel this way. If he feels like he lost a friend, that's the way it is.

Let it be.

Like I said in my post, it's music and take what it from what you want.

Not saying he is wrong or I am right, just showing why I feel the way I do.

acrossssSsssshittt

I'm from Pakistan and i found Pearl Jam in 1993 when i was 12... I believe in God ...and Eddie Vedder is my prophet... I've read some really good comments here... One of the comments I came across was from Cookies and I really liked that... I just go on believing or disbelieving, keeping the faith, at times losing the faith, but Pearl Jam guides me always...No Code is an album which really provides me relief when I feel mad pain... What Eddie's personal beliefs or lack of beliefs are, does not keep me up at night... that's strange though because Pearl Jam is very personal to me and is everything to me... But there's only so much i want to know because as it is, i've grown to know a lot, and at times the feeling is too much, and I could fuckin choke... because i've lived in Pakistan all my life i only saw Pearl Jam the first time in Berlin in 2006 and until then i wasn't even sure i wanted to see them because reality can be scary at times and indeed every time i've seen them since, something happens to me and gets instilled and i'm not sure whether for the better or worse, but i know that i have faith and i know that this is honest stuff so that in the end at least my conscience is clean... this message is not meant to be a reply to anyone or anything like that... i just feel like writing and that's what it is... I sing and write lyrics but this has a different meaning because i feel i'm writing to like-minded, honest people in different parts of the world, who might get a little of what i have to say...with all the shit goin on in the world and people killing each other, it's true that music brings people together and Pearl Jam's music has done that for me... growing up on Pearl Jam in Pakistan has been an intense ride in ways i can't really fully explain... the distance, the relation, the journey, Ed n Fateh Ali Khan, the revelation, the 3rd world, the hashish, the underworld, with a little of Pearl Jam in it:) if they played in my coastal hometown of Karachi, i assure you they'd not only fill the stadiums but they'd cause a fuckin tidal wave:) there's no purpose here, just endless dribble:) it's just that i feel alone ... currently i'm away from my family or anyone who knows me truly, and who have shared this ride with me and i tend to go into holes... Pearl Jam gets me there, and gets me out but most importantly stays, and that's more than i can say for anything or anyone else... it's real stuff, Eddie, his lyrics, Pearl Jam and I think Cookies said it's difficult to express the thanks to them... i screamed so many "thank yous" to them in Manchester and London recently but i doubt they carried all the way and in any case sounded like crazy, as opposed to sincere shit:) (though i did beat my chest insanely at the end when on top of my firend's shoulders and all but Stone noticed and responded in like and that'll be a good memory on the death bed maybe:)) but that is why I pray for them and live by their music... i know that i've been made a better man by it, and so the inner struggle gets just a bit easier to handle... i think i've said enough... and i hope all of you stay well... peace.

yatahe

writersu wrote:

Surf Life wrote:

I respectfully disagree.

Seems we forget about the Old Testament side of the bible.

I'm stating this as an opinion and I'm not trying to put you or your belief down, but one only needs to read Leviticus 26 or maybe begin at Deuteronomy 28:15 or the whole passage of Numbers 31. I find it interesting how christians often pick and choose only the parts of the bible they like and ignore the other side of it.

I am so glad you pointed that out. Because you know, I still struggle with the image of God, my own personal image of Him, that is. For instance, is He the Old Testament God, the fire and wrath and "I will get you , you sinners!!" God because if He is then surely all of the shit I have had in my life has been well deserved and although I will still respect and revere Him, then I can't really say I trust Him because He is judging me harshly and if I am not worthy of His love, due to His personal punishments, then I cannot follow Him----I will never be good enough.
Or is He the "Santa Claus"God, (which truly I did think of that way---before the single really--but more like, "Ok, ask for ANYTHING you want and I will give it to you.........but He is not giving me what I want, so why?? Am I really that bad that MY prayers are unheard?
Or is He my version of the image of the "Jesus Christ Superstar" Jesus, who is laid back, loving and says, "No, man it's cool, really. I love you despite yourself. Just keep trying to get it right. You will."

See, depending on where I am emotionally in my life all has been true.
So, in order for me to have the perspective of respect for this God that I choose to feel is true, then I need to take all in account, hoping that there is a huge answer as to why my life turns and twists as it does, pray I learn from it all and keep in my heart the last image of Jesus I stated, so I too will develop into someone worthy of respect; one who is loving as well as disciplined.
I am accountable for my sins, faults, mess ups and either I will cause my own punishment in respect to a karma type thing or God will allow the bad to come to me due to my own poor judgement. Sometimes people get a lot of bad and in no way do I feel they deserve it on any level as I will never be able to explain the horrors that are in the world that are living realities to some.........I mourn for them; truly I do.........

but I have to believe that regardless of the force that is driving this world and these things to occur, that there is a greater good that will somehow come of it...........(like that boy who got killed so many years ago, that boy Adam Walsh, and although nothing will ever justify or replace him to his parents, look all his father did for child safety, as well as criminals being caught).
If I don't have a hope in something, then I will become an animal as any of us can become and live merely by my primal instincts as well as primal hungers; only living for me. I do not think all non believers are this way; I am saying that in myself I acknowledge this..............so I choose to believe.

WORD!!! I feel this way too but I liken myself to be like an animal because i do think animals are more intuned with GOD and talk to 'THE LIGHT OF LOVE' daily...actually i don't think they "meow" or "ruff-ruff" but are just in that place of peace on earth...just a guess though :oops: (think of 'RATS'). So, yeah, my DOG is GOD!

Honestly, I dream of the day when "opposing forces" like democrats and republicans & science and religion can come together somehow and realize both sides are good because no one really knows everything anyways-we all just try in our own way, and each way is beautiful. What is not beautiful though is when people feel isolated and alone, which can come when a person feels that their ideas are some how rejected or dismissed (I think of a homeless man who has schitzophrenia and he thinks and feels no one believes him that he hears and sees things). As far as this topic of GOD,I think it is difficult for people to accept others beliefs other then their own because it takes away from the validity of their own and that in itself can be real fuck'en scary! We are all in the same boat; if we could just try to accept each other and learn from our differences without being scared that it will take away from our own beliefs-then we could be more tolerant, accepting and loving. Just some ideas here. 'Imagine' by John Lennon comes to mind.

This is my religion, as of this moment, in a nut shell (and believe me, it might change tomorrow!)