Pearl Jam's new album ”Dark Matter” ! Single out!

pdalowsky

coming to think of it, I have never played cant deny me since the week it was released. That hasn't been a conscious thing, I have just felt the need to hear it again and that is extremely unusual for any track created by PJ. Heard it at several shows and do recall it being better live, something I thought for many of the gigaton tracks too and perhaps this is testament to their phenomenal talent as a live act

iOnlyownMymind

Ed and that cowbell, lol. Song was better live for sure, but gotta imagine it “charted” because it was the first new song they released in forever so naturally people wanted to check it out and then it fell flat. 

igotid88

dwjmu84 said:

igotid88 said:

CROJAM95 said:

And the songs you put out as greatest hits part 2, like most

but jeez man, are these hits??? Maybe 1 or 2

Like I stated. I didn't just pick random songs that I like. These are songs that either charted on the Hot 100 or Rock/Alternative/AAA charts.  Am I saying they're Jeremy level? No. But they're hits nonetheless.

And I'm talking U.S. charts

And not every song on RVM is known outside the fanbase. Maybe 14 or 15 of the 33 songs 

I think what we’re all getting at is you use the term “hit” very loosely. Maybe you’re technically correct in that it “charted”. But, you’re either fairly new to this Pearl Jam thing, or you’re in the 1% of people who DIDN’T think CDM was a big fat turd.

Think about it. They were likely planning to have it on Gigaton (or whatever Gigaton was at that point) and the fan reaction completely scrapped it. That’s a 1 of 1 in PJ history. It’s never happened. So, the song was pure trash and they realized it, went back to work, and gave us a pretty decent album instead. 

Songs that are tested and later thrown in the trash don’t wind up on “greatest hits” (a terrible idea to begin with).

Been here since practically the beginning. Also whether someone thinks it's trash or not does not not make it a hit. I thought Old Town Road wasn't good. But it's still a hit. Not many artists songs chart. Deep Purple came out with an album in 2021. I don't believe their songs charted here.  
People here hate Last Kiss. It was still a hit.

tylermoore

igotid88 said:

CROJAM95 said:

Can’t deny was given out for free

it came out, oh it CHARTED… is that even a fuckin thing last 25 years? Cmon, let’s put the pipe down

Only the day before to fanclub members. It got enough radio airplay to be a rock hit. 

Every big prolific band releases a single, it’s going to get airplay and “chart” just because off how big the band is. 

But go ahead my friend, die on this hill. Can’t deny me wasn’t, and will never be, a hit. I’m so sorry to have to tell you 

Spiritual_Chaos

It's Christmas for gods sake. Where is that holiday spirit. Let Can't Deny Me be a hit till New Years

JT167846

Spiritual_Chaos said:

It's Christmas for gods sake. Where is that holiday spirit. Let Can't Deny Me be a hit till New Years

Speaking of, I was in a Starbucks in Kolkata yesterday and Let Me Sleep came on. Yes Starbucks is from Seattle but still felt really random.

I heard CDM live in Boston and it sounded way better than the studio version. Thinking it was the teeth Stone's guitar had. Just wish the band wasn't listening to Will Ferrell for that tune.

kmcmanus

People here hate Last Kiss. It was still a hit.

People HERE may hate it but the general public loved it. There aren’t enough us to make a legitimate hit without them. That’s why Just Breathe is a legit hit. My mom knows Last Kiss and Just Breathe. I have friends who have been to multiple PJ shows who don’t know Can’t Deny Me. 

And again, the level of minutiae about Can’t Deny Me’s chart prospects underscores why they haven’t done it

igotid88

kmcmanus said:

People here hate Last Kiss. It was still a hit.

People HERE may hate it but the general public loved it. There aren’t enough us to make a legitimate hit without them. That’s why Just Breathe is a legit hit. My mom knows Last Kiss and Just Breathe. I have friends who have been to multiple PJ shows who don’t know Can’t Deny Me. 

And again, the level of minutiae about Can’t Deny Me’s chart prospects underscores why they haven’t done it

I never said the songs were huge hits. Just that they were hits. And I made the point it was mostly rock/alternative hits. Your mother probably knows 2 or 3 songs from RVM. Doesn't mean the other songs weren't hits.  I Got Id was #7 on the Hot 100. I doubt the casual fan knows the song. It was still a hit

on2legs

I'm going to vote "not a hit". 

BF25394

Whether something is a "hit" is a bit semantic, especially when comparing different eras. "I Got ID/Long Road" may have been a No. 7 Hot 100 "hit," but it was not a hit in the conventional sense. It charted that high almost entirely on the basis of first-week sales of the physical single. It never received widespread radio airplay, and dropped off the Hot 100 relatively quickly. (It's a bit like when Taylor Swift or Drake release a new album and every track charts in the top 10. Those songs aren't all "hits" in the conventional sense just because they're in the top ten. Most of them will drop like rocks once the surge of first-week streaming ends. Only the songs that are receiving radio airplay stick around as true hits.) In the context of 1995, where radio (and/or MTV airplay) signified a hit, "I Got ID" wasn't a hit. "Last Kiss," on the other hand, was a hit by any measure. It peaked at No. 2, remained on the chart for months, and received widespread airplay.

Some of the songs that are thought of as Pearl Jam's biggest "hits" are hits of a different variety than "Last Kiss." Think "Alive," "Even Flow," "Better Man," "Jeremy," "Black," "Daughter" and "Corduroy." These songs received significant pop radio airplay-- but not as much as some of us might think. None of them reached the top 10 in airplay. They received more airplay at rock radio, but rock radio had/has a smaller audience than pop radio does/did in the early '90s. But from the vantage point of a lot of us, these songs were ubiquitous because they were being played on the stations we listened to, the videos (for three of the songs) were in heavy rotation on MTV, and people in our social circles were also listening to it. We were less likely to be aware of the general pop music audience that was hearing these songs much less often, if at all.

Then there are the genre hits, like "World Wide Suicide," which spent five weeks (if i recall correctly) at No. 1 at rock radio and peaked at No. 41 on the Hot 100. That's actually a higher peak than any of the big Ten hits, but the way the charts have been calculated has changed so drastically and repeatedly between 1991 and 2023 that it's an apples-and-oranges comparison.

JDime20

We need some news. This thread is not a hit, it’s become a joke. 

Tim Simmons

IF there is another greatest hits/best of album it’s gonna be a reboot. Something akin to U217, where it’s their most massive hits with the bigger post Epic songs (and it will basically be maybe 1 per record and you can probably guess the songs).

But also, there’s no need for best of anymore because of streaming. Yes this fanbase is older and still occasionally purchase physical. But the kids coming up are gonna buy Rearviewmirror if they want an intro to the band on physical if not just straight buy the records.  

BF25394

Tim Simmons said:

IF there is another greatest hits/best of album it’s gonna be a reboot. Something akin to U217, where it’s their most massive hits with the bigger post Epic songs (and it will basically be maybe 1 per record and you can probably guess the songs).

But also, there’s no need for best of anymore because of streaming. Yes this fanbase is older and still occasionally purchase physical. But the kids coming up are gonna buy Rearviewmirror if they want an intro to the band on physical if not just straight buy the records.  

The vinyl cult will snap it up.

verceman

BF25394 said:

Whether something is a "hit" is a bit semantic, especially when comparing different eras. "I Got ID/Long Road" may have been a No. 7 Hot 100 "hit," but it was not a hit in the conventional sense. It charted that high almost entirely on the basis of first-week sales of the physical single. It never received widespread radio airplay, and dropped off the Hot 100 relatively quickly. (It's a bit like when Taylor Swift or Drake release a new album and every track charts in the top 10. Those songs aren't all "hits" in the conventional sense just because they're in the top ten. Most of them will drop like rocks once the surge of first-week streaming ends. Only the songs that are receiving radio airplay stick around as true hits.) In the context of 1995, where radio (and/or MTV airplay) signified a hit, "I Got ID" wasn't a hit. "Last Kiss," on the other hand, was a hit by any measure. It peaked at No. 2, remained on the chart for months, and received widespread airplay.

Some of the songs that are thought of as Pearl Jam's biggest "hits" are hits of a different variety than "Last Kiss." Think "Alive," "Even Flow," "Better Man," "Jeremy," "Black," "Daughter" and "Corduroy." These songs received significant pop radio airplay-- but not as much as some of us might think. None of them reached the top 10 in airplay. They received more airplay at rock radio, but rock radio had/has a smaller audience than pop radio does/did in the early '90s. But from the vantage point of a lot of us, these songs were ubiquitous because they were being played on the stations we listened to, the videos (for three of the songs) were in heavy rotation on MTV, and people in our social circles were also listening to it. We were less likely to be aware of the general pop music audience that was hearing these songs much less often, if at all.

Then there are the genre hits, like "World Wide Suicide," which spent five weeks (if i recall correctly) at No. 1 at rock radio and peaked at No. 41 on the Hot 100. That's actually a higher peak than any of the big Ten hits, but the way the charts have been calculated has changed so drastically and repeatedly between 1991 and 2023 that it's an apples-and-oranges comparison.

Good summary 

BloodMeridian80

BF25394 said:

Whether something is a "hit" is a bit semantic, especially when comparing different eras. "I Got ID/Long Road" may have been a No. 7 Hot 100 "hit," but it was not a hit in the conventional sense. It charted that high almost entirely on the basis of first-week sales of the physical single. It never received widespread radio airplay, and dropped off the Hot 100 relatively quickly. (It's a bit like when Taylor Swift or Drake release a new album and every track charts in the top 10. Those songs aren't all "hits" in the conventional sense just because they're in the top ten. Most of them will drop like rocks once the surge of first-week streaming ends. Only the songs that are receiving radio airplay stick around as true hits.) In the context of 1995, where radio (and/or MTV airplay) signified a hit, "I Got ID" wasn't a hit. "Last Kiss," on the other hand, was a hit by any measure. It peaked at No. 2, remained on the chart for months, and received widespread airplay.

Some of the songs that are thought of as Pearl Jam's biggest "hits" are hits of a different variety than "Last Kiss." Think "Alive," "Even Flow," "Better Man," "Jeremy," "Black," "Daughter" and "Corduroy." These songs received significant pop radio airplay-- but not as much as some of us might think. None of them reached the top 10 in airplay. They received more airplay at rock radio, but rock radio had/has a smaller audience than pop radio does/did in the early '90s. But from the vantage point of a lot of us, these songs were ubiquitous because they were being played on the stations we listened to, the videos (for three of the songs) were in heavy rotation on MTV, and people in our social circles were also listening to it. We were less likely to be aware of the general pop music audience that was hearing these songs much less often, if at all.

Then there are the genre hits, like "World Wide Suicide," which spent five weeks (if i recall correctly) at No. 1 at rock radio and peaked at No. 41 on the Hot 100. That's actually a higher peak than any of the big Ten hits, but the way the charts have been calculated has changed so drastically and repeatedly between 1991 and 2023 that it's an apples-and-oranges comparison.

Someone’s avoiding their family
but yes, sums it up well

THEBIBLEISTEN

Yeah, but can Hilary Swank be considered Hot? 

igotid88

BF25394 said:

Whether something is a "hit" is a bit semantic, especially when comparing different eras. "I Got ID/Long Road" may have been a No. 7 Hot 100 "hit," but it was not a hit in the conventional sense. It charted that high almost entirely on the basis of first-week sales of the physical single. It never received widespread radio airplay, and dropped off the Hot 100 relatively quickly. (It's a bit like when Taylor Swift or Drake release a new album and every track charts in the top 10. Those songs aren't all "hits" in the conventional sense just because they're in the top ten. Most of them will drop like rocks once the surge of first-week streaming ends. Only the songs that are receiving radio airplay stick around as true hits.) In the context of 1995, where radio (and/or MTV airplay) signified a hit, "I Got ID" wasn't a hit. "Last Kiss," on the other hand, was a hit by any measure. It peaked at No. 2, remained on the chart for months, and received widespread airplay.

Some of the songs that are thought of as Pearl Jam's biggest "hits" are hits of a different variety than "Last Kiss." Think "Alive," "Even Flow," "Better Man," "Jeremy," "Black," "Daughter" and "Corduroy." These songs received significant pop radio airplay-- but not as much as some of us might think. None of them reached the top 10 in airplay. They received more airplay at rock radio, but rock radio had/has a smaller audience than pop radio does/did in the early '90s. But from the vantage point of a lot of us, these songs were ubiquitous because they were being played on the stations we listened to, the videos (for three of the songs) were in heavy rotation on MTV, and people in our social circles were also listening to it. We were less likely to be aware of the general pop music audience that was hearing these songs much less often, if at all.

Then there are the genre hits, like "World Wide Suicide," which spent five weeks (if i recall correctly) at No. 1 at rock radio and peaked at No. 41 on the Hot 100. That's actually a higher peak than any of the big Ten hits, but the way the charts have been calculated has changed so drastically and repeatedly between 1991 and 2023 that it's an apples-and-oranges comparison.

It did spend 20 weeks there. But you're making my point. These were all hits even though they weren't all played on pop radio or got on the Hot 100. Future Days is known because of The Last of Us and has become somewhat of a mini hit.

kmcmanus

Ok, they are all hits. Even Can’t Deny Me. There’s your bone. Merry Christmas.
But Greatest Hits packages aren’t for die-hards, they are for casuals. And casuals don’t care about the post-Epic material. It would not sell well enough to justify doing it. Because if it would, they probably would have done it by now.

igotid88

kmcmanus said:

Ok, they are all hits. Even Can’t Deny Me. There’s your bone. Merry Christmas.
But Greatest Hits packages aren’t for die-hards, they are for casuals. And casuals don’t care about the post-Epic material. It would not sell well enough to justify doing it. Because if it would, they probably would have done it by now.

I don't think they wanted to do RVM but they had to. If they had a record label behind these new songs it might have reached more people.  They did fairly well though.

DewieCox

Can’t Deny Me isn’t a hit. Look at it this way. Practically every PJ album debuts at #1 and they haven’t had a hit album in 30 years. Releases that chart high simply based on legacy, aren’t “hits” by any stretch.