Pearl Jam's new album ”Dark Matter” ! Single out!

THEBIBLEISTEN

DewieCox said:

Can’t Deny Me isn’t a hit. Look at it this way. Practically every PJ album debuts at #1 and they haven’t had a hit album in 30 years. Releases that chart high simply based on legacy, aren’t “hits” by any stretch. 

You have no idea what you are talking about. 

Tim Simmons

BF25394 said:

Tim Simmons said:

IF there is another greatest hits/best of album it’s gonna be a reboot. Something akin to U217, where it’s their most massive hits with the bigger post Epic songs (and it will basically be maybe 1 per record and you can probably guess the songs).

But also, there’s no need for best of anymore because of streaming. Yes this fanbase is older and still occasionally purchase physical. But the kids coming up are gonna buy Rearviewmirror if they want an intro to the band on physical if not just straight buy the records.  

The vinyl cult will snap it up.

Well, IdK if it’s a “cult”. Vinyl has been selling well for most major artists for years now. I think people enjoying something tangible isn’t necessarily a cult. 

DewieCox

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

DewieCox said:

Can’t Deny Me isn’t a hit. Look at it this way. Practically every PJ album debuts at #1 and they haven’t had a hit album in 30 years. Releases that chart high simply based on legacy, aren’t “hits” by any stretch. 

You have no idea what you are talking about. 

Yeah, I do. 

Niko80

As far as I'm concerned PJ´s only hit since Last Kiss has been Just Breathe. Perhaps a case can be done for I Am Mine. 

A song charting doesn't make it a hit. 

Some of Eddies songs on Into The Wild were also hits. 

igotid88

DewieCox said:

Can’t Deny Me isn’t a hit. Look at it this way. Practically every PJ album debuts at #1 and they haven’t had a hit album in 30 years. Releases that chart high simply based on legacy, aren’t “hits” by any stretch. 

In that case about 70% of the songs on RVM aren't hits then

Spiritual_Chaos

Can't Deny Me was a single. So based on former greatest hits albums by artists, it would be on a greatest hits album unless it, because of length limits, is knocked out by:

1) another single being a bigger hit,
2) another song not being a single release but still being seen as "bigger"
3) another, new, song being included to push the greatest hits release

Haijay

What about SIRENS? HUH? HMMM? 

Did quite well out there, it did🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

CROJAM95

That chorus, pulled from a marvel comic is why someone has a hard on for it

Haijay

I see i see🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

kmcmanus

Man they need to drop the first single and get this thread back on track

igotid88

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Can't Deny Me was a single. So based on former greatest hits albums by artists, it would be on a greatest hits album unless it, because of length limits, is knocked out by:

1) another single being a bigger hit,
2) another song not being a single release but still being seen as "bigger"
3) another, new, song being included to push the greatest hits release

Or if it didn't chart or make an impact of some sort. Otherwise Jazz artists couldn't make a greatest hits album if we're going by anyone who's arguing the case for one 

DewieCox

igotid88 said:

DewieCox said:

Can’t Deny Me isn’t a hit. Look at it this way. Practically every PJ album debuts at #1 and they haven’t had a hit album in 30 years. Releases that chart high simply based on legacy, aren’t “hits” by any stretch. 

In that case about 70% of the songs on RVM aren't hits then

Yeah, probably more.

demetrios

kmcmanus said:

Man they need to drop the first single and get this thread back on track

BF25394

Tim Simmons said:

BF25394 said:

Tim Simmons said:

IF there is another greatest hits/best of album it’s gonna be a reboot. Something akin to U217, where it’s their most massive hits with the bigger post Epic songs (and it will basically be maybe 1 per record and you can probably guess the songs).

But also, there’s no need for best of anymore because of streaming. Yes this fanbase is older and still occasionally purchase physical. But the kids coming up are gonna buy Rearviewmirror if they want an intro to the band on physical if not just straight buy the records.  

The vinyl cult will snap it up.

Well, IdK if it’s a “cult”. Vinyl has been selling well for most major artists for years now. I think people enjoying something tangible isn’t necessarily a cult. 

I stand by the word choice. If I'm feeling generous, I point to definition number one below. If I'm feeling less generous, I point to definition number three.

cult

/kəlt/

noun

1. a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.

   2. a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister.
   3. a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing.

SM187650

Wow we need some news here. 

pjl44

BF25394 said:

Tim Simmons said:

BF25394 said:

Tim Simmons said:

IF there is another greatest hits/best of album it’s gonna be a reboot. Something akin to U217, where it’s their most massive hits with the bigger post Epic songs (and it will basically be maybe 1 per record and you can probably guess the songs).

But also, there’s no need for best of anymore because of streaming. Yes this fanbase is older and still occasionally purchase physical. But the kids coming up are gonna buy Rearviewmirror if they want an intro to the band on physical if not just straight buy the records.  

The vinyl cult will snap it up.

Well, IdK if it’s a “cult”. Vinyl has been selling well for most major artists for years now. I think people enjoying something tangible isn’t necessarily a cult. 

I stand by the word choice. If I'm feeling generous, I point to definition number one below. If I'm feeling less generous, I point to definition number three.

cult

/kəlt/

noun

1. a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.

   2. a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister.
   3. a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing.

Exhausting 

mvw

What’s happened to this thread?

Tim Simmons

BF25394 said:

Tim Simmons said:

BF25394 said:

Tim Simmons said:

IF there is another greatest hits/best of album it’s gonna be a reboot. Something akin to U217, where it’s their most massive hits with the bigger post Epic songs (and it will basically be maybe 1 per record and you can probably guess the songs).

But also, there’s no need for best of anymore because of streaming. Yes this fanbase is older and still occasionally purchase physical. But the kids coming up are gonna buy Rearviewmirror if they want an intro to the band on physical if not just straight buy the records.  

The vinyl cult will snap it up.

Well, IdK if it’s a “cult”. Vinyl has been selling well for most major artists for years now. I think people enjoying something tangible isn’t necessarily a cult. 

I stand by the word choice. If I'm feeling generous, I point to definition number one below. If I'm feeling less generous, I point to definition number three.

cult

/kəlt/

noun

1. a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.

   2. a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister.
   3. a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing.

At best you’re being dramatic about it. At worst you’re being cynical. I don’t see how it’s different than most things in life that people enjoy. Sports movies shows, etc. 

people like stuff. It’s not a big deal if it doesn’t land for you. 

BF25394

Tim Simmons said:

BF25394 said:

Tim Simmons said:

BF25394 said:

Tim Simmons said:

IF there is another greatest hits/best of album it’s gonna be a reboot. Something akin to U217, where it’s their most massive hits with the bigger post Epic songs (and it will basically be maybe 1 per record and you can probably guess the songs).

But also, there’s no need for best of anymore because of streaming. Yes this fanbase is older and still occasionally purchase physical. But the kids coming up are gonna buy Rearviewmirror if they want an intro to the band on physical if not just straight buy the records.  

The vinyl cult will snap it up.

Well, IdK if it’s a “cult”. Vinyl has been selling well for most major artists for years now. I think people enjoying something tangible isn’t necessarily a cult. 

I stand by the word choice. If I'm feeling generous, I point to definition number one below. If I'm feeling less generous, I point to definition number three.

cult

/kəlt/

noun

1. a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.

   2. a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister.
   3. a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing.

At best you’re being dramatic about it. At worst you’re being cynical. I don’t see how it’s different than most things in life that people enjoy. Sports movies shows, etc. 

people like stuff. It’s not a big deal if it doesn’t land for you. 

Actually, I just made a brief comment in response to someone who downplayed the market for physical product. I only expanded on it because you took exception to one word in that seven-word post. Anyway, it's not about people enjoying something tangible. CDs are also tangible. It's about people who abandoned the vinyl format thirty years ago because they were convinced that CDs were superior-- portable, more durable and better-sounding-- but who now act like none of that ever happened and claim that they'll only listen to vinyl and that it's the superior format. "People like stuff," sure, but if the people my age and older who now claim to like this stuff so much had always felt this way, the format never would have become obsolete, and things like Lost Dogs and the first three Vaults wouldn't go for crazy premiums today because all of these supposedly diehard vinyl lovers would have bought them in that format when they came out and there would be more of those items in the marketplace now. I paid 15 bucks for Lost Dogs on vinyl when it came out and now it goes for 500. It's not a question of it not landing for me. I have all of the PJ catalog on vinyl because I never stopped buying it in that format. I started buying PJ vinyl because the vinyl versions of Vs. and Vitalogy were released before the CDs and it was a way to hear those albums early, and then I liked having the large-sized liner notes and artwork, but I don't pretend it's the be-all and end-all. I'm not maligning owning vinyl. I'm pointing out that it's weird that people who didn't give a crap about it ten years ago or fifteen years ago now absolutely will not own any other format and completely fetishize it like a cult. It's bizarre. It's literally a 19th-century technology. Maybe the next fad will be the telegraph.

mookeywrench

Sometimes it's more effective to not take the last word in a debate. Honor the impasse and carry on.