But I think PJ still have more fight in them than to get turned into something they aren't by a producer. I look forward to seeing what they come up with. If he sharpened them, pushed them for better ideas when they were getting a bit lazy, so much the better.
This 100%
Why does anyone think they were getting lazy? Haha. I love all the comments from the “Fans” on here
I don't know what he meant by lazy, but releasing one album of new material in ten years is not exactly ambitious.
I’m gonna have to stop ya right there. There is no requirement for them to do anything, and you can’t assign terms like “lazy” based on one’s preconceived notions about timing. When the collective will is there, they make it happen and on their schedule. None of this is compulsory. Frankly, I prefer they take their time and fill the gaps with other ventures. It informs the music in all likelihood.
The question was "why does anyone think they were getting lazy"? I replied that, while I can't speak for that poster's definition of "lazy," one reason why people might think they were getting lazy is that they have dramatically reduced their output of new material over the past ten years. I didn't assign the term "lazy"; I tried to explain why someone else might have used that term. I did imply that they seem to have a lack of ambition when it comes to producing new music. Of course, they're not under any obligation to do anything. Neither is Taylor Swift. But she seems driven to write and record songs in a way that Pearl Jam doesn't. Maybe if Pearl Jam's fans were as interested in their new music as Taylor Swift's fans are in hers, Pearl Jam would be more driven to produce more new songs. Maybe their ambition has been tamped down because they see that many of their biggest fans-- the ones who pay money to belong to their fan club-- have very little interest in anything they've done since 1998.
Love how Gigaton was produced/recorded/mixed but it admittedly was not a five guys together in the studio effort. Wonder if Watt will get them back to that environment in LA. As long as they keep putting out albums of that quality I’m happy. I don’t care who produces it or how it’s made.
I haven't read this whole thread so it may have been referenced elsewhere, but it seems that at least some of the recording was done in Watt's basement in Beverly Hills:
“We’re psyched,” Gossard said. “Andrew is a total character. Really, like immediately, we were writing quickly. Spontaneously. Bring in a riff. Let’s knock it out. [Drummer] Matt Cameron is playing his ass off. We didn’t bring any gear down. We were just doing some recording in Andrew’s basement in Beverly Hills, basically. So far, so good.”
Love how Gigaton was produced/recorded/mixed but it admittedly was not a five guys together in the studio effort. Wonder if Watt will get them back to that environment in LA. As long as they keep putting out albums of that quality I’m happy. I don’t care who produces it or how it’s made.
I haven't read this whole thread so it may have been referenced elsewhere, but it seems that at least some of the recording was done in Watt's basement in Beverly Hills:
“We’re psyched,” Gossard said. “Andrew is a total character. Really, like immediately, we were writing quickly. Spontaneously. Bring in a riff. Let’s knock it out. [Drummer] Matt Cameron is playing his ass off. We didn’t bring any gear down. We were just doing some recording in Andrew’s basement in Beverly Hills, basically. So far, so good.”
YouTube “a day in the studio with Andrew Watt” or something like that. Profiles a session he did with Chad Smith. They quickly write a track together. Possibly a good indication of what it might have been like. He’s certainly intense and, quick.
We know it took multiple sessions and I’m sure some in LA and some elsewhere. Jeff’s interview this summer seemed to indicate they were nowhere close to a “record”. But….that really could not have been the case sense Ed announced a finished album in mid Sept in Austin. Makes me wonder how far apart they might feel on the new record in general.
Love how Gigaton was produced/recorded/mixed but it admittedly was not a five guys together in the studio effort. Wonder if Watt will get them back to that environment in LA. As long as they keep putting out albums of that quality I’m happy. I don’t care who produces it or how it’s made.
I haven't read this whole thread so it may have been referenced elsewhere, but it seems that at least some of the recording was done in Watt's basement in Beverly Hills:
“We’re psyched,” Gossard said. “Andrew is a total character. Really, like immediately, we were writing quickly. Spontaneously. Bring in a riff. Let’s knock it out. [Drummer] Matt Cameron is playing his ass off. We didn’t bring any gear down. We were just doing some recording in Andrew’s basement in Beverly Hills, basically. So far, so good.”
YouTube “a day in the studio with Andrew Watt” or something like that. Profiles a session he did with Chad Smith. They quickly write a track together. Possibly a good indication of what it might have been like. He’s certainly intense and, quick.
We know it took multiple sessions and I’m sure some in LA and some elsewhere. Jeff’s interview this summer seemed to indicate they were nowhere close to a “record”. But….that really could not have been the case sense Ed announced a finished album in mid Sept in Austin. Makes me wonder how far apart they might feel on the new record in general.
Band members have been notorious for sandbagging when discussing new albums. “ no where near close” could have a thousand different meanings to a thousand different people.
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Love how Gigaton was produced/recorded/mixed but it admittedly was not a five guys together in the studio effort. Wonder if Watt will get them back to that environment in LA. As long as they keep putting out albums of that quality I’m happy. I don’t care who produces it or how it’s made.
I haven't read this whole thread so it may have been referenced elsewhere, but it seems that at least some of the recording was done in Watt's basement in Beverly Hills:
“We’re psyched,” Gossard said. “Andrew is a total character. Really, like immediately, we were writing quickly. Spontaneously. Bring in a riff. Let’s knock it out. [Drummer] Matt Cameron is playing his ass off. We didn’t bring any gear down. We were just doing some recording in Andrew’s basement in Beverly Hills, basically. So far, so good.”
YouTube “a day in the studio with Andrew Watt” or something like that. Profiles a session he did with Chad Smith. They quickly write a track together. Possibly a good indication of what it might have been like. He’s certainly intense and, quick.
We know it took multiple sessions and I’m sure some in LA and some elsewhere. Jeff’s interview this summer seemed to indicate they were nowhere close to a “record”. But….that really could not have been the case sense Ed announced a finished album in mid Sept in Austin. Makes me wonder how far apart they might feel on the new record in general.
Band members have been notorious for sandbagging when discussing new albums. “ no where near close” could have a thousand different meanings to a thousand different people.
Fair. As Jeff is so involved in the art side of things, maybe he meant it didn’t feel like a record without that aspect completed. Could be the music was all finalized.
In any event, I really hope they pull back the curtains during the press cycle and give us a feel for how writing and recoding went. Love that stuff.
Will they wait till their seventh post Lost Dogs album? Seven albums' worth to mirror the first collection? Could be as there are a fair few songs that are from that half that weren't in the first collection and that could make up for the band not being as prolific in this half. Angel and Cold Contagion being in the same collection? Sign me up.
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Will they wait till their seventh post Lost Dogs album? Seven albums' worth to mirror the first collection? Could be as there are a fair few songs that are from that half that weren't in the first collection and that could make up for the band not being as prolific in this half. Angel and Cold Contagion being in the same collection? Sign me up.
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
Lost Dogs II... If they ever do this, an album like this is so fan forward. It's the diehards that would adore it most and in some cases, even know the significance of some of the tunes on an album like this.
Total day dream thought but I think it would be sweet if the album design of it somehow included the fans... make us the lost dogs. We submit art, photos, words, whatever, over the course of a year and then Jeff and Wes C. Adel take all of that and mold it into a package. Just a sweet little love in for this community and the band reflecting how they have been with us for our lives and how we have been there for them.
Anyway, sorry for the tangent. As much as I want a LD2 I want this Watt album even more. Gigaton is such a high point for me with a band that I have loved since 1991. That's almost absurd. And I think we are about to get something that goes even higher. Bring. It. On.
Jeff was obviously referring to Lost Dogs II when he said the album was nowhere near done 😉
LOL, one of the biggest shames of the digital era is the loss of the B side
They have songs recorded and not released on albums though.
A Lost Dogs II isn't chained to the old tradition of "b-siders" putting a second and sometimes third song on a physical single.
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Oh I hear you, but back in the good old days we got to hear those extra tracks even when they didnt appear on albums.......A new album would usually mean 5 other songs we'd get on singles.....those days are long gone.
Jeff was obviously referring to Lost Dogs II when he said the album was nowhere near done 😉
LOL, one of the biggest shames of the digital era is the loss of the B side
They have songs recorded and not released on albums though.
A Lost Dogs II isn't chained to the old tradition of "b-siders" putting a second and sometimes third song on a physical single.
DO NOT LET THEM OFF THE HOOK
Oh I hear you, but back in the good old days we got to hear those extra tracks even when they didnt appear on albums.......A new album would usually mean 5 other songs we'd get on singles.....those days are long gone.
Yeah. But many artist do have (digital) "deluxe editions" with extra songs. At least pop acts. It is "de facto" doing the same thing. Not PJ though (yet).
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
Jeff was obviously referring to Lost Dogs II when he said the album was nowhere near done 😉
LOL, one of the biggest shames of the digital era is the loss of the B side
They have songs recorded and not released on albums though.
A Lost Dogs II isn't chained to the old tradition of "b-siders" putting a second and sometimes third song on a physical single.
DO NOT LET THEM OFF THE HOOK
Oh I hear you, but back in the good old days we got to hear those extra tracks even when they didnt appear on albums.......A new album would usually mean 5 other songs we'd get on singles.....those days are long gone.
Yeah. But many artist do have (digital) "deluxe editions" with extra songs. At least pop acts. It is "de facto" doing the same thing. Not PJ though (yet).
But i recall in those good old days that on occasion we got that as well LOL
They also have enough for a greatest hits part 2. But that's more of a record label thing so who knows if they'll ever happen
There are only 12 “singles” since the RVM comp dropped and “singles”only means “released to streaming ahead of the album” at this point as they don’t release physical singles or get meaningful radio airplay anymore. I’m not convinced a 12 song comp where Just Breathe is the highest profile song would be in demand.
Also Hits packages are cash-grabs and the only reason they did the first one was to get out of the Epic contract 1 album sooner.
They also have enough for a greatest hits part 2. But that's more of a record label thing so who knows if they'll ever happen
There are only 12 “singles” since the RVM comp dropped and “singles”only means “released to streaming ahead of the album” at this point as they don’t release physical singles or get meaningful radio airplay anymore. I’m not convinced a 12 song comp where Just Breathe is the highest profile song would be in demand.
Also Hits packages are cash-grabs and the only reason they did the first one was to get out of the Epic contract 1 album sooner.
The RVM re-release was the very definition of a "cash grab" (but, I do understand some might find a sentimental/nostalgic connection to that release and/or do not want anything post Riot Act on there. It's a lovely listen). Shouldn't a Greatest Hits release in 2022(?) be updated to be the greatest hits to that point... and not a greatest hits release frozen in time in 2004? By some kind of principle "emoji thinking"
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
They also have enough for a greatest hits part 2. But that's more of a record label thing so who knows if they'll ever happen
There are only 12 “singles” since the RVM comp dropped and “singles”only means “released to streaming ahead of the album” at this point as they don’t release physical singles or get meaningful radio airplay anymore. I’m not convinced a 12 song comp where Just Breathe is the highest profile song would be in demand.
Also Hits packages are cash-grabs and the only reason they did the first one was to get out of the Epic contract 1 album sooner.
That's enough for a greatest hits. It doesn't have to be a double album like RVM was. And they can add an extra track or 2.
WWS
Life Wasted
Brother The Fixer
Just Breathe
Amongst the Waves
Mind Your Manners
Sirens
Future Days Can't Deny Me DOTC SBWM Quick Escape Retrograde And you can add Olè and Get it Back
They can do a hot 100 greatest hits or give it a different name. Queen has Classic Queen for example. Last Kiss
They also have enough for a greatest hits part 2. But that's more of a record label thing so who knows if they'll ever happen
There are only 12 “singles” since the RVM comp dropped and “singles”only means “released to streaming ahead of the album” at this point as they don’t release physical singles or get meaningful radio airplay anymore. I’m not convinced a 12 song comp where Just Breathe is the highest profile song would be in demand.
Also Hits packages are cash-grabs and the only reason they did the first one was to get out of the Epic contract 1 album sooner.
That's enough for a greatest hits. It doesn't have to be a double album like RVM was. And they can add an extra track or 2.
WWS
Life Wasted
Brother The Fixer
Just Breathe
Amongst the Waves
Mind Your Manners
Sirens
Future Days Can't Deny Me DOTC SBWM Quick Escape Retrograde And you can add Olè and Get it Back
Nobody is buying that. That's probably why they haven't done it.
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Oh, it's a thing!
mid January I’m thinking news will drop
“We’re psyched,” Gossard said. “Andrew is a total character. Really, like immediately, we were writing quickly. Spontaneously. Bring in a riff. Let’s knock it out. [Drummer] Matt Cameron is playing his ass off. We didn’t bring any gear down. We were just doing some recording in Andrew’s basement in Beverly Hills, basically. So far, so good.”
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A Lost Dogs II isn't chained to the old tradition of "b-siders" putting a second and sometimes third song on a physical single.
DO NOT LET THEM OFF THE HOOK
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Total day dream thought but I think it would be sweet if the album design of it somehow included the fans... make us the lost dogs. We submit art, photos, words, whatever, over the course of a year and then Jeff and Wes C. Adel take all of that and mold it into a package. Just a sweet little love in for this community and the band reflecting how they have been with us for our lives and how we have been there for them.
Anyway, sorry for the tangent. As much as I want a LD2 I want this Watt album even more. Gigaton is such a high point for me with a band that I have loved since 1991. That's almost absurd. And I think we are about to get something that goes even higher. Bring. It. On.
The Fixer
Can't Deny Me
DOTC
SBWM
Quick Escape
Retrograde
And you can add Olè and Get it Back
They can do a hot 100 greatest hits or give it a different name. Queen has Classic Queen for example.
Last Kiss