Pearl Jam's new album ”Dark Matter” ! Single out!

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  • Vedd Hedd
    Vedd Hedd Posts: 4,631
    I am pretty excited about Andrew Watt, to be honest.  Not saying I like all the songs on Earthlings, but I like a lot of them.  I would love to see what he could do with the full band, getting everyones "sound" on there.  

    Whatever, just give me new music. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    I'm stoked we're getting a new record a "mere" 4 years after the last one. 
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  • RiotAct10
    RiotAct10 Ohio Posts: 1,638
    edited September 2023
    There are slow them there are lame live.
    HTI . Oceans. Footsteps.of the girl all fit great into the nice slow start.

    The end. Just breathe and some of the ed songs that should be his solo stuff don't work there.
    You must not have been at Ft. Worth night 2. Just Breathe was a hit, as @kmcmanus  said. Ed even commented at the end how it was the loudest he'd ever heard that one sung by the crowd. 
    words seem so out of place.

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  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    BF25394 said:

    EDIT: To be clear, I want Pearl Jam songs, whether they be fast or slow. The problem with "Just Breathe" and "The End," to the extent there is one, is that most of Pearl Jam doesn't do much on them. Save the solo songs for the solo records. (Although I think "Comes Then Goes" is just Ed and that song works well on Gigaton, so these are not hard and fast rules.)
    I don't think a song of "a band" has to have everyone throwing everything at it. Every song doesn't need to have a guitar solo to fill up some "lead guitarist! quota etc.  The problem with The End is that it is banal. You can't deny the "power" of Just Breathe though, even with it being an Into the Wild-song repurposed into a Pearl Jam-number.
    Like I said, it's not a hard-and-fast rule, and I'm definitely not saying everyone should throw everything at a song. But when a song sounds like Ed could have (and sometimes did) put it together by himself, it probably deserves strict scrutiny before it ends up on a Pearl Jam album. I like "Just Breathe"-- that's why I said "the problem [with it]... to the extent there is one." I thought that, if they had put some effort into pushing "Just Breathe" to radio, it could have been a top ten song for them. But the band doesn't really care about that, and there was no record company to do that work for them (and Target doesn't have people in their marketing department that know how to do that).
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  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    To me? I think just breathe sounds like a country and Western song and I think lyrics are more my kind of lyrics on off he goes. 
    Funny, I think "Off He Goes" totally has a country-and-western feel.
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  • KN219077
    KN219077 Montana Posts: 1,200
    I'm stoked we're getting a new record a "mere" 4 years after the last one. 

    Maybe I’m just getting old but it was a surprisingly short turnaround. 😆 
  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    I'm stoked we're getting a new record a "mere" 4 years after the last one. 
    I know. Since 2013, Pearl Jam has released one album (and Ed has released one solo album). Meanwhile, Wilco is about to release their fifth studio album in that span, one of which is a double album. On top of that, in that span, Jeff Tweedy has released four solo albums, three consisting of original material, plus another double album that's not technically a solo album but for which he wrote all the songs. And he's written three books. And they tour all the time, whether it be Tweedy solo or the whole band. These are my two favorite bands, whom I've seen hundreds of times, and their approaches are so different.
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  • kmcmanus said:
    wnh1977 said:
    Folks still pining for 1992 Pearl Jam. 
    Ha!  Yeah, Pearl Jam fans are a funny bunch.  30+ years in, 11 albums... I'm thankful they haven't taken the AC/DC approach and become predictable.  I know not everybody is on board with Gigaton, but what I really enjoyed about that album is that it was different!  It didn't sound like the Brendan O'Brien-produced Backspacer / Lightning Bolt (I liked these two albums, thought they were well-produced, but they had a similar feel for me).  I thought Gigaton was very well produced and had a lot of moments unique to PJ on there.  
    One thing about Gigaton, love it or hate it, they did things on that record they had never done before. Not every band does that after 30 years, I respect  the heck out of that.
    What did they do? Base a song off a synth?
    That’s pretty reductive isn’t it? Yeah they based a song off a synth, where the bassist plays the synth & the guitarist plays bass. And it ends with a 3 part vocal round. Alright is based off a kalimba, have they done that often? How many of their older songs sound like Buckle Up? Or Retrograde? Take the Long Way is their first studio track in 30+ years to have a female backing vocal. Who Ever Said, Seven O’Clock & Comes Then Goes are much denser lyrically than EV’s usual style. You may not like any of these choices, but to act like it wasn’t unique in their catalog? Really?  Hell, all these new elements are most of the reason the people who don’t like it don’t like it.
  • KN219077 said:
    I'm stoked we're getting a new record a "mere" 4 years after the last one. 

    Maybe I’m just getting old but it was a surprisingly short turnaround. 😆 
    It ain't out yet...still forthcoming!
  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    Really? God's Dice is an awesome song, I'd much rather hear it than MYM....
    Same
    I'm of the school that I would love to hear "Gods' Dice"* and other songs like it that are live rarities, but only if the band is going to practice them. It is very deflating to be at a show and recognize the opening strains of something rarely played live only to have it quickly devolve into a shambolic mess where Ed mixes up verses and forgets swaths of lyrics. There is a delicate balance between preserving Ed's voice and practicing and touring enough so that these songs stay sharp.

    * The Pearl Jam song is polytheistic, if that helps people remember where to put the apostrophe.
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  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    kmcmanus said:
    kmcmanus said:
    wnh1977 said:
    Folks still pining for 1992 Pearl Jam. 
    Ha!  Yeah, Pearl Jam fans are a funny bunch.  30+ years in, 11 albums... I'm thankful they haven't taken the AC/DC approach and become predictable.  I know not everybody is on board with Gigaton, but what I really enjoyed about that album is that it was different!  It didn't sound like the Brendan O'Brien-produced Backspacer / Lightning Bolt (I liked these two albums, thought they were well-produced, but they had a similar feel for me).  I thought Gigaton was very well produced and had a lot of moments unique to PJ on there.  
    One thing about Gigaton, love it or hate it, they did things on that record they had never done before. Not every band does that after 30 years, I respect  the heck out of that.
    What did they do? Base a song off a synth?
    That’s pretty reductive isn’t it? Yeah they based a song off a synth, where the bassist plays the synth & the guitarist plays bass. And it ends with a 3 part vocal round. Alright is based off a kalimba, have they done that often? How many of their older songs sound like Buckle Up? Or Retrograde? Take the Long Way is their first studio track in 30+ years to have a female backing vocal. Who Ever Said, Seven O’Clock & Comes Then Goes are much denser lyrically than EV’s usual style. You may not like any of these choices, but to act like it wasn’t unique in their catalog? Really?  Hell, all these new elements are most of the reason the people who don’t like it don’t like it.
    I agree. I love Gigaton. The only problem I have with it is that I started listening to it every day starting on March 18, 2020, so it was the soundtrack to a very stressful time, and it sometimes brings me back to that feeling of high anxiety.
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  • BF25394 said:
    kmcmanus said:
    kmcmanus said:
    wnh1977 said:
    Folks still pining for 1992 Pearl Jam. 
    Ha!  Yeah, Pearl Jam fans are a funny bunch.  30+ years in, 11 albums... I'm thankful they haven't taken the AC/DC approach and become predictable.  I know not everybody is on board with Gigaton, but what I really enjoyed about that album is that it was different!  It didn't sound like the Brendan O'Brien-produced Backspacer / Lightning Bolt (I liked these two albums, thought they were well-produced, but they had a similar feel for me).  I thought Gigaton was very well produced and had a lot of moments unique to PJ on there.  
    One thing about Gigaton, love it or hate it, they did things on that record they had never done before. Not every band does that after 30 years, I respect  the heck out of that.
    What did they do? Base a song off a synth?
    That’s pretty reductive isn’t it? Yeah they based a song off a synth, where the bassist plays the synth & the guitarist plays bass. And it ends with a 3 part vocal round. Alright is based off a kalimba, have they done that often? How many of their older songs sound like Buckle Up? Or Retrograde? Take the Long Way is their first studio track in 30+ years to have a female backing vocal. Who Ever Said, Seven O’Clock & Comes Then Goes are much denser lyrically than EV’s usual style. You may not like any of these choices, but to act like it wasn’t unique in their catalog? Really?  Hell, all these new elements are most of the reason the people who don’t like it don’t like it.
    I agree. I love Gigaton. The only problem I have with it is that I started listening to it every day starting on March 18, 2020, so it was the soundtrack to a very stressful time, and it sometimes brings me back to that feeling of high anxiety.
    Absolutely agree. I work at a hospital, that was an awful time. I probably overrated Gigaton at the time because it came right when I needed something. And I probably underrate it now because it takes me back so i don’t play it much. 
  • PJammin'
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    Will Gigaton be that album that gets lost in the shuffle because of the time it got released?
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  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    PJammin' said:
    Will Gigaton be that album that gets lost in the shuffle because of the time it got released?
    In what sense? From the band's perspective? They already largely avoid Riot Act through Lightning Bolt in the live sets, with a few exceptions, so they're all somewhat lost in the shuffle. From the fan's perspective? I think each new album is less and less relevant to the fan base because the fan base is, on average, at an age where it is very resistant to new music. It's just a fact of life that people in their 40s and 50s generally do not listen to new albums day in and day out like they did when they were between 16 and 25. It's a phenomenon that is mostly independent from the quality of the new music.
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  • KN219077
    KN219077 Montana Posts: 1,200
    PJammin' said:
    Will Gigaton be that album that gets lost in the shuffle because of the time it got released?
    If it’s forgotten, it’s for quality reasons. Inlike the album, but it’s hit or miss as a cohesive unit
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    Gigaton is a great album. Really a shame that it got shorted on touring the way it did. Hope the next one fares better. 
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  • tbergs
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    BF25394 said:
    To me? I think just breathe sounds like a country and Western song and I think lyrics are more my kind of lyrics on off he goes. 
    Funny, I think "Off He Goes" totally has a country-and-western feel.
    Yeah, I think that every time. Along with Around the Bend. I love them both though. 
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  • Personally, I love Gigaton. It’s not the album I thought it might be, but I find myself really enjoying it. 
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,405
    I thought Gigaton was phenomenal the first time I heard it. Really happy with the music they created on the album as a whole. Much, much better than LB. Backspacer is an album I liked and played a lot, but didn't appreciate as much as I do now.
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