Viruses / Vaccines 2

lastexitlondon

I just read covid deaths are down 90%this year. That's  great news at least

mickeyrat

https://apnews.com/article/health-pandemics-covid-immunizations-epidemics-6a9d5c57392262ebd74bd2c156cff679

 

Pandemics COVID-19 Immunizations Epidemics World Health Organization Measles Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

WHO, CDC: A record 40 million kids miss measles vaccine dose

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LONDON (AP) — The World Health Organization and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention say measles immunization has dropped significantly since the coronavirus pandemic began, resulting in a record high of nearly 40 million children missing a vaccine dose last year.

In a report issued Wednesday, the WHO and the CDC said millions of children were now susceptible to measles, among the world’s most contagious diseases. In 2021, officials said there were about 9 million measles infections and 128,000 deaths worldwide.

The WHO and CDC said continued drops in vaccination, weak disease surveillance and delayed response plans due to COVID-19, in addition to ongoing outbreaks in more than 20 countries, mean that “measles is an imminent threat in every region of the world.”

Scientists estimate that at least 95% of a population needs to be immunized to protect against epidemics; the WHO and the CDC reported that only about 81% of children receive their first dose of measles vaccine while 71% get their second dose, marking the lowest global coverage rates of the first measles dose since 2008.

“The record number of children under-immunized and susceptible to measles shows the profound damage immunization systems have sustained during the COVID-19 pandemic,” CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said in a statement.

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Measles is mostly spread through direct contact or in the air and causes symptoms including fever, muscle pain and a skin rash on the face and upper neck. Most measles-related deaths are caused by complications including swelling of the brain and dehydration. The WHO says serious complications are most serious in children under five and adults over 30.

More than 95% of measles deaths occur in developing countries, mostly in Africa and Asia. There is no specific treatment for measles, but the two-dose vaccine against it is about 97% effective in preventing severe illness and death.

In July, the U.N. said 25 million children have missed out on routine immunizations against diseases including diphtheria, largely because the coronavirus disrupted routine health services or triggered vaccine misinformation.

23scidoo

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/11/26/pfizers-ceo-rapped-regulator-making-misleading-statements-childrens/

HughFreakingDillon

Covid positive today. Yay me. Fully vaxxed and boosted about a month ago, so hopefully it just remains as a scratchy throat and runny nose. 

But man, it was a shock that the double red turned up immediately . I hope that doesn’t mean high viral load, as I had read some time ago. 

Immunocompromised teen in the house. 😬 

lastexitlondon

Best of luck mate.

Zod

I got a booster on Friday.  I was on the fence.   I had a massively bad reaction to my 3rd shot (Moderna).  Got a fever so hot, and gave me such bad chills, I got a heat rash all over myself, because I took every blanket in the house and dumped on myself because I felt cold (even though I had a raging fever).  My wife was probably 2 minutes from call an ambulance for me.

I was really reluctant to get a 4th shot, but with Christmas coming up, I figured I should.

I got covid 4 months after my last booster, and the poster above got it 1 month after theirs.   I guess what I don't get, is ok, booster boost your antibodies for a very short period of time (maybe a few months at best).   What I dont' get is.  How effect are those antibodies at stopping infection.  The other question is how good is tcell memory for covid?  Are people really in that much danger from not getting booster, if there bodies (Tcells) remember how to fight it from previous vaccinations and infections?   Is it still life threatening to get covid, or has this diminished it's strength to that of more common viruses?

I wish the news articles would talk more about the Tcell stuff.  I'm not sure how much I left in me to keep getting booster which maybe boost antibodies which sort of work for maybe a few months...  

lastexitlondon

My opinion is . If you  had actual  covid  there are no better  antobodies. I wont have anymore boosters.

Poncier

HughFreakingDillon said:

Covid positive today. Yay me. Fully vaxxed and boosted about a month ago, so hopefully it just remains as a scratchy throat and runny nose. 

But man, it was a shock that the double red turned up immediately . I hope that doesn’t mean high viral load, as I had read some time ago. 

Immunocompromised teen in the house. 😬 

Hope it's mild and a quick recovery.

Gern Blansten

Got my booster yesterday along with the flu shot. I would guess that the booster rate is pretty low as there were a massive number of open slots at Walgreen's when I set up the appointment online. It wasn't like that back in June for my last booster.

GlowGirl

I got the new booster a few weeks ago. I had mild reactions to the other shots - slight fever but nothing terrible. My mom got such a bad reaction to the new booster that I was nervous to get it. But I had no reaction to it at all - my arm was barely sore. It is weird how both Covid and the boosters hit people so differently. 

Gern Blansten

GlowGirl said:

I got the new booster a few weeks ago. I had mild reactions to the other shots - slight fever but nothing terrible. My mom got such a bad reaction to the new booster that I was nervous to get it. But I had no reaction to it at all - my arm was barely sore. It is weird how both Covid and the boosters hit people so differently. 

Luckily I haven't had any reactions either....same as you so far with the slightly sore arm

mickeyrat

Zod said:

I got a booster on Friday.  I was on the fence.   I had a massively bad reaction to my 3rd shot (Moderna).  Got a fever so hot, and gave me such bad chills, I got a heat rash all over myself, because I took every blanket in the house and dumped on myself because I felt cold (even though I had a raging fever).  My wife was probably 2 minutes from call an ambulance for me.

I was really reluctant to get a 4th shot, but with Christmas coming up, I figured I should.

I got covid 4 months after my last booster, and the poster above got it 1 month after theirs.   I guess what I don't get, is ok, booster boost your antibodies for a very short period of time (maybe a few months at best).   What I dont' get is.  How effect are those antibodies at stopping infection.  The other question is how good is tcell memory for covid?  Are people really in that much danger from not getting booster, if there bodies (Tcells) remember how to fight it from previous vaccinations and infections?   Is it still life threatening to get covid, or has this diminished it's strength to that of more common viruses?

I wish the news articles would talk more about the Tcell stuff.  I'm not sure how much I left in me to keep getting booster which maybe boost antibodies which sort of work for maybe a few months...  

sooo, I'm hearing 2 months to reboost. and now with the BiValent booster it covers both the original and the still dominant omicron varients b4 and b5?

I had my 4th shot in june. on the 20th. aug 14th ,  I home tested positive. super mild. had worse body aches and headache with a headcold.

the show were never set up to prevent infection. but rather to help avoid hospitalizations and severe outcomes. Flu shot doesnt prevent, if they guess which strain  right, but rather gives the body a leg up in fighting it. same with covid.

latest varients are said to be the most contagious but the least lethal.

good news is, the mrnas vaccines are highly adaptable and more quickly adaptable. AND the knowledge gained from that platform of vaccine they ate now testing a cancer vaccine or are about too start trials.

I just received booster shot 3, meaning 5 total on board. soreness was it, maybe a brief bout of chills 24 hrs after. I lose too much money in lost wages being forced off minimum 5 days to fuck around.

Poncier

mickeyrat said:

Zod said:

I got a booster on Friday.  I was on the fence.   I had a massively bad reaction to my 3rd shot (Moderna).  Got a fever so hot, and gave me such bad chills, I got a heat rash all over myself, because I took every blanket in the house and dumped on myself because I felt cold (even though I had a raging fever).  My wife was probably 2 minutes from call an ambulance for me.

I was really reluctant to get a 4th shot, but with Christmas coming up, I figured I should.

I got covid 4 months after my last booster, and the poster above got it 1 month after theirs.   I guess what I don't get, is ok, booster boost your antibodies for a very short period of time (maybe a few months at best).   What I dont' get is.  How effect are those antibodies at stopping infection.  The other question is how good is tcell memory for covid?  Are people really in that much danger from not getting booster, if there bodies (Tcells) remember how to fight it from previous vaccinations and infections?   Is it still life threatening to get covid, or has this diminished it's strength to that of more common viruses?

I wish the news articles would talk more about the Tcell stuff.  I'm not sure how much I left in me to keep getting booster which maybe boost antibodies which sort of work for maybe a few months...  

the shot were never set up to prevent infection. but rather to help avoid hospitalizations and severe outcomes. Flu shot doesnt prevent, if they guess which strain  right, but rather gives the body a leg up in fighting it. same with covid.

We were told originally the shots were intended to prevent infection. Obviously, the virus has been constantly mutating, but the narrative that the vaccine was never intended to prevent infection, only reduce severity is absolutely false.

Gern Blansten

Poncier said:

mickeyrat said:

Zod said:

I got a booster on Friday.  I was on the fence.   I had a massively bad reaction to my 3rd shot (Moderna).  Got a fever so hot, and gave me such bad chills, I got a heat rash all over myself, because I took every blanket in the house and dumped on myself because I felt cold (even though I had a raging fever).  My wife was probably 2 minutes from call an ambulance for me.

I was really reluctant to get a 4th shot, but with Christmas coming up, I figured I should.

I got covid 4 months after my last booster, and the poster above got it 1 month after theirs.   I guess what I don't get, is ok, booster boost your antibodies for a very short period of time (maybe a few months at best).   What I dont' get is.  How effect are those antibodies at stopping infection.  The other question is how good is tcell memory for covid?  Are people really in that much danger from not getting booster, if there bodies (Tcells) remember how to fight it from previous vaccinations and infections?   Is it still life threatening to get covid, or has this diminished it's strength to that of more common viruses?

I wish the news articles would talk more about the Tcell stuff.  I'm not sure how much I left in me to keep getting booster which maybe boost antibodies which sort of work for maybe a few months...  

the shot were never set up to prevent infection. but rather to help avoid hospitalizations and severe outcomes. Flu shot doesnt prevent, if they guess which strain  right, but rather gives the body a leg up in fighting it. same with covid.

We were told originally the shots were intended to prevent infection. Obviously, the virus has been constantly mutating, but the narrative that the vaccine was never intended to prevent infection, only reduce severity is absolutely false.

That narrative lasted about five minutes so no need to dwell on it. As new information rolled out it was shared with us.

Poncier

Gern Blansten said:

Poncier said:

mickeyrat said:

Zod said:

I got a booster on Friday.  I was on the fence.   I had a massively bad reaction to my 3rd shot (Moderna).  Got a fever so hot, and gave me such bad chills, I got a heat rash all over myself, because I took every blanket in the house and dumped on myself because I felt cold (even though I had a raging fever).  My wife was probably 2 minutes from call an ambulance for me.

I was really reluctant to get a 4th shot, but with Christmas coming up, I figured I should.

I got covid 4 months after my last booster, and the poster above got it 1 month after theirs.   I guess what I don't get, is ok, booster boost your antibodies for a very short period of time (maybe a few months at best).   What I dont' get is.  How effect are those antibodies at stopping infection.  The other question is how good is tcell memory for covid?  Are people really in that much danger from not getting booster, if there bodies (Tcells) remember how to fight it from previous vaccinations and infections?   Is it still life threatening to get covid, or has this diminished it's strength to that of more common viruses?

I wish the news articles would talk more about the Tcell stuff.  I'm not sure how much I left in me to keep getting booster which maybe boost antibodies which sort of work for maybe a few months...  

the shot were never set up to prevent infection. but rather to help avoid hospitalizations and severe outcomes. Flu shot doesnt prevent, if they guess which strain  right, but rather gives the body a leg up in fighting it. same with covid.

We were told originally the shots were intended to prevent infection. Obviously, the virus has been constantly mutating, but the narrative that the vaccine was never intended to prevent infection, only reduce severity is absolutely false.

That narrative lasted about five minutes so no need to dwell on it. As new information rolled out it was shared with us.

I understand about the variants and new info etc. Got my 4th shot a couple weeks ago, am all in favor of the vaccine, just want to be clear that in late 2020 we were absolutely told that both mRNA vaxes had 90%+ effectiveness at preventing infection. This was absolutely what the intention was, preventing infection and trying to stamp out the virus. Obviously, mutation coupled with the large number of folks who refused the shot ended any chance of the virus being stamped out, and now we are told vax helps keep symptoms/effects of the virus less severe, but it is disingenuous to say as Mick did the shots "were never set up to prevent infection", that's exactly what they were originally set up to do. Changin the narrative only gives fuel to anti-vax rhetoric.

23scidoo

https://pressefreiheit.rtde.live/meinung/156057-leugnen-luegen-vertuschen-mdr-bericht/

Zod

And they sort of seem to keep dwelling on it.   When you read about the merit of boosters, they only quote science about how the antibody response, and antibodies are the part that keep you immune.  They don't seem to talk much about other aspects, like the tcell response.  If you have 3 shots, will your tcell response be that much different than if you get a 4th kind of thing.  I'd expect covid hospitalization to be higher than it is, if this wasn't the case, as less people keep getting each round of vaccines, but hospitalizations here aren't changing much (at least not from covid).

mickeyrat

Zod said:

And they sort of seem to keep dwelling on it.   When you read about the merit of boosters, they only quote science about how the antibody response, and antibodies are the part that keep you immune.  They don't seem to talk much about other aspects, like the tcell response.  If you have 3 shots, will your tcell response be that much different than if you get a 4th kind of thing.  I'd expect covid hospitalization to be higher than it is, if this wasn't the case, as less people keep getting each round of vaccines, but hospitalizations here aren't changing much (at least not from covid).

studies are published and available to wade through.

Zod

mickeyrat said:

Zod said:

And they sort of seem to keep dwelling on it.   When you read about the merit of boosters, they only quote science about how the antibody response, and antibodies are the part that keep you immune.  They don't seem to talk much about other aspects, like the tcell response.  If you have 3 shots, will your tcell response be that much different than if you get a 4th kind of thing.  I'd expect covid hospitalization to be higher than it is, if this wasn't the case, as less people keep getting each round of vaccines, but hospitalizations here aren't changing much (at least not from covid).

studies are published and available to wade through.

Yah, but I'm not a scientist.  I'm just hoping for more well rounded articles to discuss the pros/cons of repeated boosters

mickeyrat

Zod said:

mickeyrat said:

Zod said:

And they sort of seem to keep dwelling on it.   When you read about the merit of boosters, they only quote science about how the antibody response, and antibodies are the part that keep you immune.  They don't seem to talk much about other aspects, like the tcell response.  If you have 3 shots, will your tcell response be that much different than if you get a 4th kind of thing.  I'd expect covid hospitalization to be higher than it is, if this wasn't the case, as less people keep getting each round of vaccines, but hospitalizations here aren't changing much (at least not from covid).

studies are published and available to wade through.

Yah, but I'm not a scientist.  I'm just hoping for more well rounded articles to discuss the pros/cons of repeated boosters

it may help to think of it this way. its recommended to get a yearly flu shot as the dominant strain changes every year and theres slight mutation.  but the flu is seasonal. so more than once per year is not needed. 

covid is year round, appears to more easily mutate and may be more easily transmitted. good news is the mrna platform is easily updated.

my pcp doc has suggested 6 months between boosters or after 3 months from infection if not boostered.

cdc on the other hand seems to be on a 2 month cycle.

had 4 on board in june.  positive in aug. super mild for me. wife never tested positive via home test but had same symptoms as me and her son. her son tested postive, his second time (first in Dec '20) and had only done j&j and one booster I think in 21. he was laid the fuck out for a couple weeks. I could have went back to work after 2 days but for quarantine protocols.