Viruses / Vaccines 2

23scidoo

But when you ask the right things..

https://www.facebook.com/100013353545767/videos/536321301654101/

lastexitlondon

Kat said:

I can only hope this is as promising as it sounds.

Scientists discover receptor that blocks COVID-19 infection

by University of Sydney
2.9.23

https://phys.org/news/2023-02-scientists-receptor-blocks-covid-infection.html

This is absolutely  amazing  and for fibrosis seems a game changer.

mickeyrat

23scidoo said:

mickeyrat said:

prob better to have the whole panel discussion...

https://www.youtube.com/live/5kVbKHQjpas?feature=share

And??..his English are worst of mine..

davos happened in January that year. 2020. late January.  by that time a couple cases wete in the states. it was popping up in many places. safe enough bet to predict a pandemic. not only that, he didnt specify just when after davos he made the prediction....

you seem to have settled on some specific ideas around this. I would encourage you to be open to the possibility your ideas are wrong. critical thinking is vital. it must be applied to ourselves too.

and since he's clearly not a native English speaker, whos to say it came out the way he meant to say it

There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance-that principle is contempt prior to investigation.

Herbert Spencer

23scidoo

mickeyrat said:

23scidoo said:

mickeyrat said:

prob better to have the whole panel discussion...

https://www.youtube.com/live/5kVbKHQjpas?feature=share

And??..his English are worst of mine..

davos happened in January that year. 2020. late January.  by that time a couple cases wete in the states. it was popping up in many places. safe enough bet to predict a pandemic. not only that, he didnt specify just when after davos he made the prediction....

you seem to have settled on some specific ideas around this. I would encourage you to be open to the possibility your ideas are wrong. critical thinking is vital. it must be applied to ourselves too.

and since he's clearly not a native English speaker, whos to say it came out the way he meant to say it

There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance-that principle is contempt prior to investigation.

Herbert Spencer

So you are not sure either..
thanks for the advice..i hope you use it to your self also..
critical thinking..vital..indeed..
first cases came up on Italy middle February..

Merkin Baller

23scidoo said:

mickeyrat said:

23scidoo said:

mickeyrat said:

prob better to have the whole panel discussion...

https://www.youtube.com/live/5kVbKHQjpas?feature=share

And??..his English are worst of mine..

davos happened in January that year. 2020. late January.  by that time a couple cases wete in the states. it was popping up in many places. safe enough bet to predict a pandemic. not only that, he didnt specify just when after davos he made the prediction....

you seem to have settled on some specific ideas around this. I would encourage you to be open to the possibility your ideas are wrong. critical thinking is vital. it must be applied to ourselves too.

and since he's clearly not a native English speaker, whos to say it came out the way he meant to say it

There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance-that principle is contempt prior to investigation.

Herbert Spencer

So you are not sure either..
thanks for the advice..i hope you use it to your self also..
critical thinking..vital..indeed..
first cases came up on Italy middle February..

You should look into that claim about February… there’s a lot of info out there about it spreading as early as December 2019 in Italy and even earlier.

cblock4life

Merkin Baller said:

23scidoo said:

mickeyrat said:

23scidoo said:

mickeyrat said:

prob better to have the whole panel discussion...

https://www.youtube.com/live/5kVbKHQjpas?feature=share

And??..his English are worst of mine..

davos happened in January that year. 2020. late January.  by that time a couple cases wete in the states. it was popping up in many places. safe enough bet to predict a pandemic. not only that, he didnt specify just when after davos he made the prediction....

you seem to have settled on some specific ideas around this. I would encourage you to be open to the possibility your ideas are wrong. critical thinking is vital. it must be applied to ourselves too.

and since he's clearly not a native English speaker, whos to say it came out the way he meant to say it

There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance-that principle is contempt prior to investigation.

Herbert Spencer

So you are not sure either..
thanks for the advice..i hope you use it to your self also..
critical thinking..vital..indeed..
first cases came up on Italy middle February..

You should look into that claim about February… there’s a lot of info out there about it spreading as early as December 2019 in Italy and even earlier.

My niece had what we believe to be covid the end of December 2019.  Husband got it beginning of feb 2020 and I started on 2-12-20.  At that time we just kept saying wtf is this?  Couldn’t taste or smell, had the covid cough, all the symptoms.  It wasn’t till March that our pc said it was covid.  

Poncier

Kat said:

I can only hope this is as promising as it sounds.

Scientists discover receptor that blocks COVID-19 infection

by University of Sydney
2.9.23

https://phys.org/news/2023-02-scientists-receptor-blocks-covid-infection.html

Fingers crossed.

mickeyrat

23scidoo said:

mickeyrat said:

23scidoo said:

mickeyrat said:

prob better to have the whole panel discussion...

https://www.youtube.com/live/5kVbKHQjpas?feature=share

And??..his English are worst of mine..

davos happened in January that year. 2020. late January.  by that time a couple cases wete in the states. it was popping up in many places. safe enough bet to predict a pandemic. not only that, he didnt specify just when after davos he made the prediction....

you seem to have settled on some specific ideas around this. I would encourage you to be open to the possibility your ideas are wrong. critical thinking is vital. it must be applied to ourselves too.

and since he's clearly not a native English speaker, whos to say it came out the way he meant to say it

There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance-that principle is contempt prior to investigation.

Herbert Spencer

So you are not sure either..
thanks for the advice..i hope you use it to your self also..
critical thinking..vital..indeed..
first cases came up on Italy middle February..

no, I am fairly certain. but open to new information. as the science changes, undrstanding changes.

mickeyrat

interesting info here. just in a 2 week time frame. jan 20 of 2020 to feb 4 of 2020....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_COVID-19_pandemic

Go Beavers

Merkin Baller said:

23scidoo said:

mickeyrat said:

23scidoo said:

mickeyrat said:

prob better to have the whole panel discussion...

https://www.youtube.com/live/5kVbKHQjpas?feature=share

And??..his English are worst of mine..

davos happened in January that year. 2020. late January.  by that time a couple cases wete in the states. it was popping up in many places. safe enough bet to predict a pandemic. not only that, he didnt specify just when after davos he made the prediction....

you seem to have settled on some specific ideas around this. I would encourage you to be open to the possibility your ideas are wrong. critical thinking is vital. it must be applied to ourselves too.

and since he's clearly not a native English speaker, whos to say it came out the way he meant to say it

There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance-that principle is contempt prior to investigation.

Herbert Spencer

So you are not sure either..
thanks for the advice..i hope you use it to your self also..
critical thinking..vital..indeed..
first cases came up on Italy middle February..

You should look into that claim about February… there’s a lot of info out there about it spreading as early as December 2019 in Italy and even earlier.

If my memory is holding up, China gave Covid’s genetic code out to pharmaceuticals in January so they could make the vaccine. 

mrussel1

Go Beavers said:

Merkin Baller said:

23scidoo said:

mickeyrat said:

23scidoo said:

mickeyrat said:

prob better to have the whole panel discussion...

https://www.youtube.com/live/5kVbKHQjpas?feature=share

And??..his English are worst of mine..

davos happened in January that year. 2020. late January.  by that time a couple cases wete in the states. it was popping up in many places. safe enough bet to predict a pandemic. not only that, he didnt specify just when after davos he made the prediction....

you seem to have settled on some specific ideas around this. I would encourage you to be open to the possibility your ideas are wrong. critical thinking is vital. it must be applied to ourselves too.

and since he's clearly not a native English speaker, whos to say it came out the way he meant to say it

There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance-that principle is contempt prior to investigation.

Herbert Spencer

So you are not sure either..
thanks for the advice..i hope you use it to your self also..
critical thinking..vital..indeed..
first cases came up on Italy middle February..

You should look into that claim about February… there’s a lot of info out there about it spreading as early as December 2019 in Italy and even earlier.

If my memory is holding up, China gave Covid’s genetic code out to pharmaceuticals in January so they could make the vaccine. 

And it didn't even work.. not even on something no worse than a cold. 

Halifax2TheMax

This thread has become like the Brandon Crime Family hearings.

Merkin Baller

Halifax2TheMax said:

This thread has become like the Brandon Crime Family hearings.

Lol 

23scidoo

Merkin Baller said:

23scidoo said:

mickeyrat said:

23scidoo said:

mickeyrat said:

prob better to have the whole panel discussion...

https://www.youtube.com/live/5kVbKHQjpas?feature=share

And??..his English are worst of mine..

davos happened in January that year. 2020. late January.  by that time a couple cases wete in the states. it was popping up in many places. safe enough bet to predict a pandemic. not only that, he didnt specify just when after davos he made the prediction....

you seem to have settled on some specific ideas around this. I would encourage you to be open to the possibility your ideas are wrong. critical thinking is vital. it must be applied to ourselves too.

and since he's clearly not a native English speaker, whos to say it came out the way he meant to say it

There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance-that principle is contempt prior to investigation.

Herbert Spencer

So you are not sure either..
thanks for the advice..i hope you use it to your self also..
critical thinking..vital..indeed..
first cases came up on Italy middle February..

You should look into that claim about February… there’s a lot of info out there about it spreading as early as December 2019 in Italy and even earlier.

Ok..early December, first cases..
late February, they call it pandemic..not earlier, right??
late January, Davos..he prepare us for the pandemic..
something is wrong..

23scidoo

Meanwhile, mr Βurla continues to have a temper..

https://rumble.com/v2946cy-136243762.html

Halifax2TheMax

23scidoo said:

Merkin Baller said:

23scidoo said:

mickeyrat said:

23scidoo said:

mickeyrat said:

prob better to have the whole panel discussion...

https://www.youtube.com/live/5kVbKHQjpas?feature=share

And??..his English are worst of mine..

davos happened in January that year. 2020. late January.  by that time a couple cases wete in the states. it was popping up in many places. safe enough bet to predict a pandemic. not only that, he didnt specify just when after davos he made the prediction....

you seem to have settled on some specific ideas around this. I would encourage you to be open to the possibility your ideas are wrong. critical thinking is vital. it must be applied to ourselves too.

and since he's clearly not a native English speaker, whos to say it came out the way he meant to say it

There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance-that principle is contempt prior to investigation.

Herbert Spencer

So you are not sure either..
thanks for the advice..i hope you use it to your self also..
critical thinking..vital..indeed..
first cases came up on Italy middle February..

You should look into that claim about February… there’s a lot of info out there about it spreading as early as December 2019 in Italy and even earlier.

Ok..early December, first cases..
late February, they call it pandemic..not earlier, right??
late January, Davos..he prepare us for the pandemic..
something is wrong..

Who are “they?” The ones who “called” it a “pandemic?”

Answer us that, Batman, and “maybe”
we’ll take you seriously. Maybe.

23scidoo

Joker..maybe if you are not ironic or sarcastic i will answer you..
maybe..

Merkin Baller

23scidoo said:

Merkin Baller said:

23scidoo said:

mickeyrat said:

23scidoo said:

mickeyrat said:

prob better to have the whole panel discussion...

https://www.youtube.com/live/5kVbKHQjpas?feature=share

And??..his English are worst of mine..

davos happened in January that year. 2020. late January.  by that time a couple cases wete in the states. it was popping up in many places. safe enough bet to predict a pandemic. not only that, he didnt specify just when after davos he made the prediction....

you seem to have settled on some specific ideas around this. I would encourage you to be open to the possibility your ideas are wrong. critical thinking is vital. it must be applied to ourselves too.

and since he's clearly not a native English speaker, whos to say it came out the way he meant to say it

There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance-that principle is contempt prior to investigation.

Herbert Spencer

So you are not sure either..
thanks for the advice..i hope you use it to your self also..
critical thinking..vital..indeed..
first cases came up on Italy middle February..

You should look into that claim about February… there’s a lot of info out there about it spreading as early as December 2019 in Italy and even earlier.

Ok..early December, first cases..
late February, they call it pandemic..not earlier, right??
late January, Davos..he prepare us for the pandemic..
something is wrong..

Halifax is right… articulate your point if you want to be taken seriously. So far all you’ve brought to the table is vague and baseless suggestions and conspiracies. I can’t think of anything you’ve said that had substance behind it. 

23scidoo

Merkin Baller said:

23scidoo said:

Merkin Baller said:

23scidoo said:

mickeyrat said:

23scidoo said:

mickeyrat said:

prob better to have the whole panel discussion...

https://www.youtube.com/live/5kVbKHQjpas?feature=share

And??..his English are worst of mine..

davos happened in January that year. 2020. late January.  by that time a couple cases wete in the states. it was popping up in many places. safe enough bet to predict a pandemic. not only that, he didnt specify just when after davos he made the prediction....

you seem to have settled on some specific ideas around this. I would encourage you to be open to the possibility your ideas are wrong. critical thinking is vital. it must be applied to ourselves too.

and since he's clearly not a native English speaker, whos to say it came out the way he meant to say it

There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance-that principle is contempt prior to investigation.

Herbert Spencer

So you are not sure either..
thanks for the advice..i hope you use it to your self also..
critical thinking..vital..indeed..
first cases came up on Italy middle February..

You should look into that claim about February… there’s a lot of info out there about it spreading as early as December 2019 in Italy and even earlier.

Ok..early December, first cases..
late February, they call it pandemic..not earlier, right??
late January, Davos..he prepare us for the pandemic..
something is wrong..

Halifax is right… articulate your point if you want to be taken seriously. So far all you’ve brought to the table is vague and baseless suggestions and conspiracies. I can’t think of anything you’ve said that had substance behind it. 

I don't mind, i don't care, take what you want..
when you learn to discuss, come back for explenations with your friend..
enough..

mrussel1

23scidoo said:

Merkin Baller said:

23scidoo said:

Merkin Baller said:

23scidoo said:

mickeyrat said:

23scidoo said:

mickeyrat said:

prob better to have the whole panel discussion...

https://www.youtube.com/live/5kVbKHQjpas?feature=share

And??..his English are worst of mine..

davos happened in January that year. 2020. late January.  by that time a couple cases wete in the states. it was popping up in many places. safe enough bet to predict a pandemic. not only that, he didnt specify just when after davos he made the prediction....

you seem to have settled on some specific ideas around this. I would encourage you to be open to the possibility your ideas are wrong. critical thinking is vital. it must be applied to ourselves too.

and since he's clearly not a native English speaker, whos to say it came out the way he meant to say it

There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance-that principle is contempt prior to investigation.

Herbert Spencer

So you are not sure either..
thanks for the advice..i hope you use it to your self also..
critical thinking..vital..indeed..
first cases came up on Italy middle February..

You should look into that claim about February… there’s a lot of info out there about it spreading as early as December 2019 in Italy and even earlier.

Ok..early December, first cases..
late February, they call it pandemic..not earlier, right??
late January, Davos..he prepare us for the pandemic..
something is wrong..

Halifax is right… articulate your point if you want to be taken seriously. So far all you’ve brought to the table is vague and baseless suggestions and conspiracies. I can’t think of anything you’ve said that had substance behind it. 

I don't mind, i don't care, take what you want..
when you learn to discuss, come back for explenations with your friend..
enough..

So no details then?  Just vague accusations that don’t withstand one level of critical thinking..

23scidoo

I have taste enough critical thinking here..don't know how much i can stand..
enough..

mickeyrat

so just when after davos did he make that statement to folks in his company?

again, I think very easy to make an educated guess it would rise to pandemic. first known cases reported in Dec out of Wuhan thanks to that Dr who sounded the alarm before dying himself.Unknown then how many cases in China and still unknown today.  Disease then pops up at various places across the planet in mis January, doubling in case count quickly.  Data sets show this in that wiki article I posted before. Which you chose to ingnore.

wealth of worldwide info about covid here. no parsing of data. no spin. no agenda. just hard numbers....

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

23scidoo

mickeyrat said:

so just when after davos did he make that statement to folks in his company?

again, I think very easy to make an educated guess it would rise to pandemic. first known cases reported in Dec out of Wuhan thanks to that Dr who sounded the alarm before dying himself.Unknown then how many cases in China and still unknown today.  Disease then pops up at various places across the planet in mis January, doubling in case count quickly.  Data sets show this in that wiki article I posted before. Which you chose to ingnore.

wealth of worldwide info about covid here. no parsing of data. no spin. no agenda. just hard numbers....

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

From your link..

• On January 31, the first 2 novel coronavirus cases in the UK, [18] the first 2 cases in Russia, [20] and the first case in Sweden and in Spain were reported. Canada reported its 4th case.
• 
  
• December ???

mrussel1

23scidoo said:

I have taste enough critical thinking here..don't know how much i can stand..
enough..

When critical thinking frustrates you, rather than vindicates you, you’ve chosen the wrong side. 

mickeyrat

23scidoo said:

mickeyrat said:

so just when after davos did he make that statement to folks in his company?

again, I think very easy to make an educated guess it would rise to pandemic. first known cases reported in Dec out of Wuhan thanks to that Dr who sounded the alarm before dying himself.Unknown then how many cases in China and still unknown today.  Disease then pops up at various places across the planet in mis January, doubling in case count quickly.  Data sets show this in that wiki article I posted before. Which you chose to ingnore.

wealth of worldwide info about covid here. no parsing of data. no spin. no agenda. just hard numbers....

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

From your link..

• On January 31, the first 2 novel coronavirus cases in the UK, [18] the first 2 cases in Russia, [20] and the first case in Sweden and in Spain were reported. Canada reported its 4th case.
• 
  
• December ???

from March 13 2020 article......

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/13/first-covid-19-case-happened-in-november-china-government-records-show-report

First Covid-19 case happened in November, China government records show - report

This article is more than 2 years old

Earliest case detected on 17 November, weeks before authorities acknowledged new virus, says Chinese media

• Coronavirus: live updates

A medical worker disinfects a ward in Wuhan union hospital, China. Cases emerged in November, Chinese government data reportedly sugests. Photograph: Li Ke/EPA

Helen Davidson in Hong Kong

@heldavidson

Fri 13 Mar 2020 02.39 EDTLast modified on Wed 1 Jul 2020 13.15 EDT

• 
  

The first case of someone suffering from Covid-19 can be traced back to 17 November, according to media reports on unpublished Chinese government data.

The report, in the South China Morning Post, said Chinese authorities had identified at least 266 people who contracted the virus last year and who came under medical surveillance, and the earliest case was 17 November – weeks before authorities announced the emergence of the new virus.

The Chinese government was widely criticised over attempts to cover up the outbreak in the early weeks, including crackdowns on doctors who tried to warn colleagues about a new Sars-like virus which was emerging in the city of Wuhan in Hubei province.

Coronavirus: Wuhan doctor speaks out against authorities

Read more

The data obtained by the Post, which the Guardian has not been able to verify, said a 55-year-old from Hubei province could have been the first person to contract Covid-19. For about one month after that date there were one to five new cases reported each day, the report said, and by 20 December there were 60 confirmed cases.

"The virus, which is now a pandemic, has infected at least 128,343 people across the world and killed 4,702. Of those who have contracted the virus since it began, 68,324 people have recovered.

Almost 81,000 of the cases occurred in China, mostly in the province of Hubei."

So from the earliest reporting of cases around the world in mid Jan to March 13 an estimated 47,000 cases outside of China in 2 months.

from Miriam Webster Dictionary....

pandemic

1 of 2

adjective

pan·​dem·​ic pan-ˈde-mik 

Synonyms of pandemic

1

: occurring over a wide geographic area (such as multiple countries or continents) and typically affecting a significant proportion of the population pandemic malaria

The 1918 flu was pandemic and claimed millions of lives.

2

: characterized by very widespread growth or extent : epidemic entry 1 sense 3 a problem of pandemic proportions

pandemic

2 of 2

noun

plural pandemics

1

: an outbreak of a disease that occurs over a wide geographic area (such as multiple countries or continents) and typically affects a significant proportion of the population : a pandemic outbreak of a disease a global pandemic

Influenza pandemics seem to strike every few decades and to kill by the million—at least 1m in 1968; perhaps 100m in the "Spanish" flu of 1918-19.—

The Economist

2

: an outbreak or product of sudden rapid spread, growth, or development : epidemic entry 2 sense 2 We have been talking about the pandemic of racism for centuries.—

Roger Griffith Nobel-prize winning economist Robert Shiller warns a pandemic of fear could tip the economy into an undeserved depression.—Stephanie Landsman

23scidoo

mickeyrat said:

so just when after davos did he make that statement to folks in his company?

again, I think very easy to make an educated guess it would rise to pandemic. first known cases reported in Dec out of Wuhan thanks to that Dr who sounded the alarm before dying himself.Unknown then how many cases in China and still unknown today.  Disease then pops up at various places across the planet in mis January, doubling in case count quickly.  Data sets show this in that wiki article I posted before. Which you chose to ingnore.

wealth of worldwide info about covid here. no parsing of data. no spin. no agenda. just hard numbers....

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Αnd the pandemic was declared on March 11..couple of months after the prediction..

mickeyrat

23scidoo said:

mickeyrat said:

so just when after davos did he make that statement to folks in his company?

again, I think very easy to make an educated guess it would rise to pandemic. first known cases reported in Dec out of Wuhan thanks to that Dr who sounded the alarm before dying himself.Unknown then how many cases in China and still unknown today.  Disease then pops up at various places across the planet in mis January, doubling in case count quickly.  Data sets show this in that wiki article I posted before. Which you chose to ingnore.

wealth of worldwide info about covid here. no parsing of data. no spin. no agenda. just hard numbers....

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Αnd the pandemic was declared on March 11..couple of months after the prediction..

again, in 2022 a statement was made at Davos referencing Davos 2020. This statement did not make a declarative staement of when after Davos 2020 he told his colleagues to scale up to 1 billion doses. Only that after Davos 2020 he said this.

So what date was that statement made to his colleagues? On his return from the conference, which you seem to infer. Or in Feb or in March or in April. Just exactly when did he tell his colleagues that?

Halifax2TheMax

23scidoo said:

Joker..maybe if you are not ironic or sarcastic i will answer you..
maybe..

Some people call me the space cowboy, yeah 
Some call me the gangster of love 
Some people call me Maurice 

brianlux

Halifax2TheMax said:

23scidoo said:

Joker..maybe if you are not ironic or sarcastic i will answer you..
maybe..

Some people call me the space cowboy, yeah 
Some call me the gangster of love 
Some people call me Maurice 

All of the sudden I'm hearing a wah pedal.

Waah waahhhhhhhh!

mickeyrat

mickeyrat said:

23scidoo said:

mickeyrat said:

so just when after davos did he make that statement to folks in his company?

again, I think very easy to make an educated guess it would rise to pandemic. first known cases reported in Dec out of Wuhan thanks to that Dr who sounded the alarm before dying himself.Unknown then how many cases in China and still unknown today.  Disease then pops up at various places across the planet in mis January, doubling in case count quickly.  Data sets show this in that wiki article I posted before. Which you chose to ingnore.

wealth of worldwide info about covid here. no parsing of data. no spin. no agenda. just hard numbers....

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Αnd the pandemic was declared on March 11..couple of months after the prediction..

again, in 2022 a statement was made at Davos referencing Davos 2020. This statement did not make a declarative staement of when after Davos 2020 he told his colleagues to scale up to 1 billion doses. Only that after Davos 2020 he said this.

So what date was that statement made to his colleagues? On his return from the conference, which you seem to infer. Or in Feb or in March or in April. Just exactly when did he tell his colleagues that?

and it was the official declaration of pandemic in march, that doesnt mean it started at that date and hour. it was already in progress.....