Dude I am a person who is slightly skeptical of the covid vaccines and very cautious about the pharmaceutical industry in general. I do however like full data from multiple sources. This video is a bunch of headlines only, and the laughable thing is that if you slow the video down to look at the headlines you can see the efficacy waning over time from 2020 to 2022 as the virus was mutating and variants were emerging. It also appears the gotcha vid is addressing only the ability to prevent infection, not the protection from severe outcomes. I'm not sure what the point of that video is, to let us know that as the virus mutated that the vaccine was less effective at preventing transmission? Haven't we known this, at least those of us who have been looking at the data from the get go, for a couple years now?
I'm just not sure what the point this video is trying to make. Also Tik Tok is bull shit and is horrible for your brain.
My question all this time is this..if they didn't knew for sure, why all this shit??.passporst, people lose their jobs, doctors and scientists are ιn the margin, ''no one will be safe until will be vaxxinared''..thats my problem my friend..for a man made virus( until now they don't tell us that), they promote us vaccines of questionable quality..
If you're a public health official, and you are seeing the deaths, setting the carnage, do you error on the side that over protects or under?
a scientist or doctor does not recommend any treatment if he is not sure..
That is the most foolish thing I've read. Doctors make judgment calls every single day. Maybe this is your issue. Do you live in some binary world where the decisions are black and white?
''Doctors make judgment calls every single day''..That is the most foolish thing I've read..
Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015. Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022 EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
So to be clear, you refuse to take and will always refuse to take Phizer developed medications, is that correct? So any of their cholesterol, hypertension, cancer treatments, you are OUT on every single one no matter your prognosis.
So to be clear, you read 5 articles about Pfizer, millions of penalties, your own country blames them and you still defend them?? are you working for them maybe??
Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015. Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022 EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
What is a Floridahealthgov documents newsroom press releases updated health alert letter?
Don whan go BOOM!
Sorry, i forget that.. ''Don whan go boom''..is that english??..
@23scidoo what is this a graph of? I haven't bothered with the countless links posted so I'm sure I've missed the source and what it represents.
1998-06-30 Mpls | 2006-07-06 Las Vegas | 2010-05-03 Kansas City | 2011-07-01 St. Louis EV | 2011-07-02 Mpls EV | 2011-09-03 PJ20 2011-09-04 PJ20 | 2011-09-17 Winnipeg | 2012-09-30 Missoula | 2012-11-18 Tulsa EV | 2013-07-19 Chicago | 2013-11-15 Dallas 2013-11-16 OKC | 2014-10-09 Lincoln | 2014-10-17 Moline | 2014-10-19 St. Paul | 2014-10-20 Milwaukee | 2016-08-20 Chicago 2016-08-22 Chicago | 2018-08-18 Chicago | 2018-08-20 Chicago | 2022-05-09 Phoenix | 2022-05-20 Las Vegas | 2022-09-18 St. Louis 2022-09-20 OKC | 2023-08-31 St. Paul | 2023-09-02 St. Paul | **2024-05-16 Las Vegas** | **2024-05-18 Las Vegas** |
What is a Floridahealthgov documents newsroom press releases updated health alert letter?
Don whan go BOOM!
Sorry, i forget that.. ''Don whan go boom''..is that english??..
@23scidoo what is this a graph of? I haven't bothered with the countless links posted so I'm sure I've missed the source and what it represents.
VAERS, Florida..
Got it. 100% agree there are adverse reactions to the Covid vaccines (and any other vaccine), but pretty easy to skew the numbers quickly if a group was so inclined since it's a self-reporting system. Thanks for clarifying what the graph is meant to represent.
As it is based on submissions by the public, VAERS is susceptible to unverified reports, misattribution, underreporting, and inconsistent data quality. Raw, unverified data from VAERS has often been used by the anti-vaccine community to justify misinformation regarding the safety of vaccines; it is generally not possible to find out from VAERS data if a vaccine caused an adverse event, or how common the event might be.
1998-06-30 Mpls | 2006-07-06 Las Vegas | 2010-05-03 Kansas City | 2011-07-01 St. Louis EV | 2011-07-02 Mpls EV | 2011-09-03 PJ20 2011-09-04 PJ20 | 2011-09-17 Winnipeg | 2012-09-30 Missoula | 2012-11-18 Tulsa EV | 2013-07-19 Chicago | 2013-11-15 Dallas 2013-11-16 OKC | 2014-10-09 Lincoln | 2014-10-17 Moline | 2014-10-19 St. Paul | 2014-10-20 Milwaukee | 2016-08-20 Chicago 2016-08-22 Chicago | 2018-08-18 Chicago | 2018-08-20 Chicago | 2022-05-09 Phoenix | 2022-05-20 Las Vegas | 2022-09-18 St. Louis 2022-09-20 OKC | 2023-08-31 St. Paul | 2023-09-02 St. Paul | **2024-05-16 Las Vegas** | **2024-05-18 Las Vegas** |
bro just don’t get the vax what’s the big deal? @23scidoo@AW124797 I’m a libtard and I didnt get the most recent booster. so what?
Attitude like this gets us situations like East Palestine. They voted 70% for trump who eliminated a regulation for a safer train braking system that could have spared their town the toxic nightmare they will sleep in for the rest of their lives, unless they move. But yeah, it’s all the old mans fault because he’s senile or something
There’s a part of me that wishes Brandon would just say, “well, if you had voted for me and believed that government had a role in regulation, protecting the environment, using tax dollars to improve safety and being proactive rather than reactive, then I’d be willing to use the full force of the federal government to assist you but since you didn’t, here’s the number to your governor’s office. You’re on your own, good luck.”
Brandon would never do that, nor would democrats in general, because he, and they, typically have empathy and try to be on the right side of things, regardless. Remember the flak Chris Christless Christy took from his own party for welcoming Obama to tour super storm sandy devastation or the repubs voting down emergency spending for super storm Sandy response? Or Christless shutting down bridge lanes because someone wouldn’t endorse him? Or, repub gubners sending migrants to blue states rather than showing an ounce of humanity?
Elections have consequences and sometimes they should to magnify the differences between the dems and whatever mess of a party that thing called repubs is. Now is not that time, however.
As someone who experienced Sandy, had my wife disappear for four months working on the recovery, meaning I was alone taking care of my special needs dependent almost singlehandedly for that time, with a 60 foot tree on our house and no power no heat, it was enormously offensive that republicans voted against sandy aid and I experience anger every time a Republican community such as east Palestine needs help without their acknowledgment that they vote against the regulations aimed to prevent or lessen the risk of tragedies like this, and also vote against the funding to keep the govt effective to be able to respond when tragedy strikes.
Yet my comment was expectedly ignored by any right leaning commenters on here to continue instead with the nonsense about the vax. Just don’t get the vax ffs, unfortunately medicine is not an exact science. This is not a political conspiracy, but creating an unsafe environment and a bathtub sized govt not equipped to handle crisis, ignore that very real conspiracy while you beg for democratic help
Dude I am a person who is slightly skeptical of the covid vaccines and very cautious about the pharmaceutical industry in general. I do however like full data from multiple sources. This video is a bunch of headlines only, and the laughable thing is that if you slow the video down to look at the headlines you can see the efficacy waning over time from 2020 to 2022 as the virus was mutating and variants were emerging. It also appears the gotcha vid is addressing only the ability to prevent infection, not the protection from severe outcomes. I'm not sure what the point of that video is, to let us know that as the virus mutated that the vaccine was less effective at preventing transmission? Haven't we known this, at least those of us who have been looking at the data from the get go, for a couple years now?
I'm just not sure what the point this video is trying to make. Also Tik Tok is bull shit and is horrible for your brain.
My question all this time is this..if they didn't knew for sure, why all this shit??.passporst, people lose their jobs, doctors and scientists are ιn the margin, ''no one will be safe until will be vaxxinared''..thats my problem my friend..for a man made virus( until now they don't tell us that), they promote us vaccines of questionable quality..
If you're a public health official, and you are seeing the deaths, setting the carnage, do you error on the side that over protects or under?
a scientist or doctor does not recommend any treatment if he is not sure..
That is the most foolish thing I've read. Doctors make judgment calls every single day. Maybe this is your issue. Do you live in some binary world where the decisions are black and white?
''Doctors make judgment calls every single day''..That is the most foolish thing I've read..
Ugh. You think doctors follow some Visio diagram that tells them the path to follow and precisely the treatment plan and medication? Do you think this is the Soviet Union or something? Doctors make judgment calls every day about how aggressive to treat an issue, which combinations of medications, to operate or not.
You are going from foolish to embarrassingly misinformed. No wonder you buy into all of this conspiracy bullshit that is so easy to pick apart with basic critical thinking skills.
Dude I am a person who is slightly skeptical of the covid vaccines and very cautious about the pharmaceutical industry in general. I do however like full data from multiple sources. This video is a bunch of headlines only, and the laughable thing is that if you slow the video down to look at the headlines you can see the efficacy waning over time from 2020 to 2022 as the virus was mutating and variants were emerging. It also appears the gotcha vid is addressing only the ability to prevent infection, not the protection from severe outcomes. I'm not sure what the point of that video is, to let us know that as the virus mutated that the vaccine was less effective at preventing transmission? Haven't we known this, at least those of us who have been looking at the data from the get go, for a couple years now?
I'm just not sure what the point this video is trying to make. Also Tik Tok is bull shit and is horrible for your brain.
My question all this time is this..if they didn't knew for sure, why all this shit??.passporst, people lose their jobs, doctors and scientists are ιn the margin, ''no one will be safe until will be vaxxinared''..thats my problem my friend..for a man made virus( until now they don't tell us that), they promote us vaccines of questionable quality..
If you're a public health official, and you are seeing the deaths, setting the carnage, do you error on the side that over protects or under?
a scientist or doctor does not recommend any treatment if he is not sure..
That is the most foolish thing I've read. Doctors make judgment calls every single day. Maybe this is your issue. Do you live in some binary world where the decisions are black and white?
''Doctors make judgment calls every single day''..That is the most foolish thing I've read..
Ugh. You think doctors follow some Visio diagram that tells them the path to follow and precisely the treatment plan and medication? Do you think this is the Soviet Union or something? Doctors make judgment calls every day about how aggressive to treat an issue, which combinations of medications, to operate or not.
You are going from foolish to embarrassingly misinformed. No wonder you buy into all of this conspiracy bullshit that is so easy to pick apart with basic critical thinking skills.
As a fellow poster stated, “it’s very entertaining.” Or words to that effect. For me, it’s taken the place of Comedy Central, seeing how I don’t have cable.
Dude I am a person who is slightly skeptical of the covid vaccines and very cautious about the pharmaceutical industry in general. I do however like full data from multiple sources. This video is a bunch of headlines only, and the laughable thing is that if you slow the video down to look at the headlines you can see the efficacy waning over time from 2020 to 2022 as the virus was mutating and variants were emerging. It also appears the gotcha vid is addressing only the ability to prevent infection, not the protection from severe outcomes. I'm not sure what the point of that video is, to let us know that as the virus mutated that the vaccine was less effective at preventing transmission? Haven't we known this, at least those of us who have been looking at the data from the get go, for a couple years now?
I'm just not sure what the point this video is trying to make. Also Tik Tok is bull shit and is horrible for your brain.
My question all this time is this..if they didn't knew for sure, why all this shit??.passporst, people lose their jobs, doctors and scientists are ιn the margin, ''no one will be safe until will be vaxxinared''..thats my problem my friend..for a man made virus( until now they don't tell us that), they promote us vaccines of questionable quality..
If you're a public health official, and you are seeing the deaths, setting the carnage, do you error on the side that over protects or under?
a scientist or doctor does not recommend any treatment if he is not sure..
That is the most foolish thing I've read. Doctors make judgment calls every single day. Maybe this is your issue. Do you live in some binary world where the decisions are black and white?
''Doctors make judgment calls every single day''..That is the most foolish thing I've read..
Ugh. You think doctors follow some Visio diagram that tells them the path to follow and precisely the treatment plan and medication? Do you think this is the Soviet Union or something? Doctors make judgment calls every day about how aggressive to treat an issue, which combinations of medications, to operate or not.
You are going from foolish to embarrassingly misinformed. No wonder you buy into all of this conspiracy bullshit that is so easy to pick apart with basic critical thinking skills.
As a fellow poster stated, “it’s very entertaining.” Or words to that effect. For me, it’s taken the place of Comedy Central, seeing how I don’t have cable.
And indeed this thread has become a joke. If we want to maintains any semblance of integrity on AMT, threads like this one should be locked and sealed tightly in a chest and buried in the ground... as long as it doesn't leak and pollute the water table.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
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Dude I am a person who is slightly skeptical of the covid vaccines and very cautious about the pharmaceutical industry in general. I do however like full data from multiple sources. This video is a bunch of headlines only, and the laughable thing is that if you slow the video down to look at the headlines you can see the efficacy waning over time from 2020 to 2022 as the virus was mutating and variants were emerging. It also appears the gotcha vid is addressing only the ability to prevent infection, not the protection from severe outcomes. I'm not sure what the point of that video is, to let us know that as the virus mutated that the vaccine was less effective at preventing transmission? Haven't we known this, at least those of us who have been looking at the data from the get go, for a couple years now?
I'm just not sure what the point this video is trying to make. Also Tik Tok is bull shit and is horrible for your brain.
My question all this time is this..if they didn't knew for sure, why all this shit??.passporst, people lose their jobs, doctors and scientists are ιn the margin, ''no one will be safe until will be vaxxinared''..thats my problem my friend..for a man made virus( until now they don't tell us that), they promote us vaccines of questionable quality..
If you're a public health official, and you are seeing the deaths, setting the carnage, do you error on the side that over protects or under?
a scientist or doctor does not recommend any treatment if he is not sure..
That is the most foolish thing I've read. Doctors make judgment calls every single day. Maybe this is your issue. Do you live in some binary world where the decisions are black and white?
''Doctors make judgment calls every single day''..That is the most foolish thing I've read..
Ugh. You think doctors follow some Visio diagram that tells them the path to follow and precisely the treatment plan and medication? Do you think this is the Soviet Union or something? Doctors make judgment calls every day about how aggressive to treat an issue, which combinations of medications, to operate or not.
You are going from foolish to embarrassingly misinformed. No wonder you buy into all of this conspiracy bullshit that is so easy to pick apart with basic critical thinking skills.
As a fellow poster stated, “it’s very entertaining.” Or words to that effect. For me, it’s taken the place of Comedy Central, seeing how I don’t have cable.
And indeed this thread has become a joke. If we want to maintains any semblance of integrity on AMT, threads like this one should be locked and sealed tightly in a chest and buried in the ground... as long as it doesn't leak and pollute the water table.
and then what Brian? Begin another? Once found out to be what they appear, why continue to engage? What is the point of that? I direct that to myself too.
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FDA’s own reputation could be restraining its misinfo fight
By MATTHEW PERRONE
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WASHINGTON (AP) — The government agency responsible for tracking down contaminated peanut butter and defective pacemakers is taking on a new health hazard: online misinformation.
It’s an unlikely role for the Food and Drug Administration, a sprawling, century-old bureaucracy that for decades directed most its communications toward doctors and corporations.
But FDA Commissioner Dr. Robert Califf has spent the last year warning that growing “distortions and half-truths” surrounding vaccines and other medical products are now “a leading cause of death in America.”
“Almost no one should be dying of COVID in the U.S. today,” Califf told The Associated Press, noting the government's distribution of free vaccines and antiviral medications. “People who are denying themselves that opportunity are dying because they're misinformed.”
Califf, who first led the agency under President Barack Obama, said the FDA could once rely on a few communication channels to reach Americans.
“We’re now in a 24/7 sea of information without a user guide for people out there in society," Califf said. "So this requires us to change the way we communicate.”
The FDA's answer? Short YouTube videos, long Twitter threads and other online postings debunking medical misinformation, including bogus COVID-19 remedies like ivermectin, the anti-parasite drug intended for farm animals. “Hold your horses y'all. Ivermectin may be trending, but it still isn't authorized or approved to treat COVID-19” the FDA told its 500,000 Twitter followers in April.
On Instagram, FDA memes referencing Scooby-Doo and SpongeBob urge Americans to get boosted and ignore misinformation, alongside staid agency postings about the arrival of National Handwashing Awareness Week.
The AP asked more than a half-dozen health communication experts about the FDA's fledgling effort. They said it mostly reflects the latest science on combating misinformation, but they also questioned whether it’s reaching enough people to have an impact — and whether separate FDA controversies are undercutting the agency's credibility.
“The question I start with is, ‘Are you a trusted messenger or not?'” said Dr. Seema Yasmin, a Stanford University professor who studies medical misinformation and trains health officials in responding to it. “In the context of FDA, we can highlight multiple incidents which have damaged the credibility of the agency and deepened distrust of its scientific decisions."
In the last two years the FDA has come under fire for its controversial approval of an unproven Alzheimer’s drug as well as its delayed response to a contaminated baby formula plant, which contributed to a national supply shortage.
Meanwhile, the agency’s approach to booster vaccinations has been criticized by some of its top vaccine scientists and advisers.
“It’s not fair, but it doesn’t take too many negative stories to unravel the public’s trust,” said Georgetown University’s Leticia Bode, who studies political communication and misinformation.
About a quarter of Americans said they have “a lot” of trust in the FDA's handling of COVID-19, according to a survey conducted last year by University of Pennsylvania researchers, while less than half said they have “some trust.”
"The FDA's word is still one of the most highly regarded pieces of information people want to see,” said Califf, who was confirmed to his second stint leading the FDA last February.
As commissioner he is trying to tackle a host of issues, including restructuring the agency’s food safety program and more aggressively deploying FDA scientists to explain vaccine decisions in the media.
The array of challenges before the FDA raises questions about the new focus on misinformation. And Califf acknowledges the limits of what his agency can accomplish.
“Anyone who thinks the government’s going to solve this problem alone is deluding themselves," he said. “We need a vast network of knowledgeable people who devote part of their day to combating misinformation.”
Georgetown's Bode said the agency is “moving in the right direction,” on misinformation, particularly its “Just a Minute” series of factchecking videos, which feature FDA’s vaccine chief Dr. Peter Marks succinctly addressing a single COVID-19 myth or topic.
But how many people are seeing them?
“FDA’s YouTube videos have a minuscule audience,” said Brandon Nyhan, who studies medical misinformation at Dartmouth College. The people watching FDA videos ”are not the people we typically think about when we think about misinformation.”
Research by Nyhan and his colleagues suggests that fact-checking COVID-19 myths briefly dispels false beliefs, but the effects are “ephemeral.” Nyhan and other researchers noted the most trusted medical information source for most Americans is their doctor, not the government.
Even if the audience for FDA’s work is small, experts in online analytics say it may be having a bigger impact.
An FDA page dubbed “Rumor Control” debunks a long list of false claims about vaccines, such as that they contain pesticides. A Google search for “vaccines” and “pesticides” brings up the FDA’s response as a top result, because the search engine prioritizes credible websites.
“Because the FDA puts that information on its website, it will actually crowd out the misinformation from the top 10 or 20 Google results,” said David Lazer, a political and computer scientist at Northeastern University.
Perhaps the most promising approach to fighting misinformation is also the toughest to execute: introduce people to emerging misinformation and explain why it’s false before they encounter it elsewhere.
That technique, called “pre-bunking," presents challenges for large government agencies.
“Is the FDA nimble enough to have a detection system for misinformation and then quickly put out pre-bunking information within hours or days?” Lazer asked.
Califf said the FDA tracks new misinformation trends online and quickly decides whether — and when — to intervene.
“Sometimes calling attention to an issue can make it worse,” he notes.
Other communication challenges are baked into how the FDA operates. For instance, the agency consults an independent panel of vaccine specialists on major decisions about COVID-19 shots, considered a key step in fostering trust in the process.
But some of those experts have disagreed on who should receive COVID-19 vaccine boosters or how strong the evidence is for their use, particularly among younger people.
The FDA then largely relies on news media to translate those debates and its final decisions, which are often laden with scientific jargon.
The result has been “utter confusion,” about the latest round of COVID-19 boosters, says Lawrence Gostin, a public health specialist at Georgetown.
“If you’re trying to counteract misinformation on social media your first job is to clarify, simplify and explain things in an understandable way to the lay public,” said Gostin. “I don’t think anyone could say that FDA has done a good job with that.”
The Associated Press Health and Science Department receives support from the Howard Hughes Medical Institute’s Science and Educational Media Group. The AP is solely responsible for all content.
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Dude I am a person who is slightly skeptical of the covid vaccines and very cautious about the pharmaceutical industry in general. I do however like full data from multiple sources. This video is a bunch of headlines only, and the laughable thing is that if you slow the video down to look at the headlines you can see the efficacy waning over time from 2020 to 2022 as the virus was mutating and variants were emerging. It also appears the gotcha vid is addressing only the ability to prevent infection, not the protection from severe outcomes. I'm not sure what the point of that video is, to let us know that as the virus mutated that the vaccine was less effective at preventing transmission? Haven't we known this, at least those of us who have been looking at the data from the get go, for a couple years now?
I'm just not sure what the point this video is trying to make. Also Tik Tok is bull shit and is horrible for your brain.
My question all this time is this..if they didn't knew for sure, why all this shit??.passporst, people lose their jobs, doctors and scientists are ιn the margin, ''no one will be safe until will be vaxxinared''..thats my problem my friend..for a man made virus( until now they don't tell us that), they promote us vaccines of questionable quality..
If you're a public health official, and you are seeing the deaths, setting the carnage, do you error on the side that over protects or under?
a scientist or doctor does not recommend any treatment if he is not sure..
That is the most foolish thing I've read. Doctors make judgment calls every single day. Maybe this is your issue. Do you live in some binary world where the decisions are black and white?
''Doctors make judgment calls every single day''..That is the most foolish thing I've read..
Ugh. You think doctors follow some Visio diagram that tells them the path to follow and precisely the treatment plan and medication? Do you think this is the Soviet Union or something? Doctors make judgment calls every day about how aggressive to treat an issue, which combinations of medications, to operate or not.
You are going from foolish to embarrassingly misinformed. No wonder you buy into all of this conspiracy bullshit that is so easy to pick apart with basic critical thinking skills.
As a fellow poster stated, “it’s very entertaining.” Or words to that effect. For me, it’s taken the place of Comedy Central, seeing how I don’t have cable.
And indeed this thread has become a joke. If we want to maintains any semblance of integrity on AMT, threads like this one should be locked and sealed tightly in a chest and buried in the ground... as long as it doesn't leak and pollute the water table.
and then what Brian? Begin another? Once found out to be what they appear, why continue to engage? What is the point of that? I direct that to myself too.
Yeah, bud, I hear you. I thought the same. Though my post was purposefully a bit hyperbolic, what I really would like most is to have a reasonable conversation here. I can handle just fine the fact that some of us have differing views. It's the obvious trolling and/or bating b.s. that gets old. That kind of stuff has been dragging this thread down for a good while now. It would be so much more cool to see this be a more rational discussion rather than just lobbing turds all over the place.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Dude I am a person who is slightly skeptical of the covid vaccines and very cautious about the pharmaceutical industry in general. I do however like full data from multiple sources. This video is a bunch of headlines only, and the laughable thing is that if you slow the video down to look at the headlines you can see the efficacy waning over time from 2020 to 2022 as the virus was mutating and variants were emerging. It also appears the gotcha vid is addressing only the ability to prevent infection, not the protection from severe outcomes. I'm not sure what the point of that video is, to let us know that as the virus mutated that the vaccine was less effective at preventing transmission? Haven't we known this, at least those of us who have been looking at the data from the get go, for a couple years now?
I'm just not sure what the point this video is trying to make. Also Tik Tok is bull shit and is horrible for your brain.
My question all this time is this..if they didn't knew for sure, why all this shit??.passporst, people lose their jobs, doctors and scientists are ιn the margin, ''no one will be safe until will be vaxxinared''..thats my problem my friend..for a man made virus( until now they don't tell us that), they promote us vaccines of questionable quality..
If you're a public health official, and you are seeing the deaths, setting the carnage, do you error on the side that over protects or under?
a scientist or doctor does not recommend any treatment if he is not sure..
That is the most foolish thing I've read. Doctors make judgment calls every single day. Maybe this is your issue. Do you live in some binary world where the decisions are black and white?
''Doctors make judgment calls every single day''..That is the most foolish thing I've read..
Ugh. You think doctors follow some Visio diagram that tells them the path to follow and precisely the treatment plan and medication? Do you think this is the Soviet Union or something? Doctors make judgment calls every day about how aggressive to treat an issue, which combinations of medications, to operate or not.
You are going from foolish to embarrassingly misinformed. No wonder you buy into all of this conspiracy bullshit that is so easy to pick apart with basic critical thinking skills.
Doctors don't "make judgement calls". They look at their patient diagnosis and current condition. And then they look at the statistics behind potential treatments for that patient's condition, and go with the best odds/most likely to succeed scenario. Get over yourself. Maybe if you lost the ego and learned to talk to people with a little more respect, particularly those who disagree with you, as many threads around here wouldn't get locked.
Dude I am a person who is slightly skeptical of the covid vaccines and very cautious about the pharmaceutical industry in general. I do however like full data from multiple sources. This video is a bunch of headlines only, and the laughable thing is that if you slow the video down to look at the headlines you can see the efficacy waning over time from 2020 to 2022 as the virus was mutating and variants were emerging. It also appears the gotcha vid is addressing only the ability to prevent infection, not the protection from severe outcomes. I'm not sure what the point of that video is, to let us know that as the virus mutated that the vaccine was less effective at preventing transmission? Haven't we known this, at least those of us who have been looking at the data from the get go, for a couple years now?
I'm just not sure what the point this video is trying to make. Also Tik Tok is bull shit and is horrible for your brain.
My question all this time is this..if they didn't knew for sure, why all this shit??.passporst, people lose their jobs, doctors and scientists are ιn the margin, ''no one will be safe until will be vaxxinared''..thats my problem my friend..for a man made virus( until now they don't tell us that), they promote us vaccines of questionable quality..
If you're a public health official, and you are seeing the deaths, setting the carnage, do you error on the side that over protects or under?
a scientist or doctor does not recommend any treatment if he is not sure..
That is the most foolish thing I've read. Doctors make judgment calls every single day. Maybe this is your issue. Do you live in some binary world where the decisions are black and white?
''Doctors make judgment calls every single day''..That is the most foolish thing I've read..
Ugh. You think doctors follow some Visio diagram that tells them the path to follow and precisely the treatment plan and medication? Do you think this is the Soviet Union or something? Doctors make judgment calls every day about how aggressive to treat an issue, which combinations of medications, to operate or not.
You are going from foolish to embarrassingly misinformed. No wonder you buy into all of this conspiracy bullshit that is so easy to pick apart with basic critical thinking skills.
Doctors don't "make judgement calls". They look at their patient diagnosis and current condition. And then they look at the statistics behind potential treatments for that patient's condition, and go with the best odds/most likely to succeed scenario. Get over yourself. Maybe if you lost the ego and learned to talk to people with a little more respect, particularly those who disagree with you, as many threads around here wouldn't get locked.
What a joke. What you described is a judgment call. It's using education, experience and data to make a decision. Sorry that you think "judgment" is synonymous with "guessing", but it's not my fault that you don't understand the difference. And go find a thread that I was responsible for closing. I've never been banned, suspended or warned.
Dude I am a person who is slightly skeptical of the covid vaccines and very cautious about the pharmaceutical industry in general. I do however like full data from multiple sources. This video is a bunch of headlines only, and the laughable thing is that if you slow the video down to look at the headlines you can see the efficacy waning over time from 2020 to 2022 as the virus was mutating and variants were emerging. It also appears the gotcha vid is addressing only the ability to prevent infection, not the protection from severe outcomes. I'm not sure what the point of that video is, to let us know that as the virus mutated that the vaccine was less effective at preventing transmission? Haven't we known this, at least those of us who have been looking at the data from the get go, for a couple years now?
I'm just not sure what the point this video is trying to make. Also Tik Tok is bull shit and is horrible for your brain.
My question all this time is this..if they didn't knew for sure, why all this shit??.passporst, people lose their jobs, doctors and scientists are ιn the margin, ''no one will be safe until will be vaxxinared''..thats my problem my friend..for a man made virus( until now they don't tell us that), they promote us vaccines of questionable quality..
If you're a public health official, and you are seeing the deaths, setting the carnage, do you error on the side that over protects or under?
a scientist or doctor does not recommend any treatment if he is not sure..
That is the most foolish thing I've read. Doctors make judgment calls every single day. Maybe this is your issue. Do you live in some binary world where the decisions are black and white?
''Doctors make judgment calls every single day''..That is the most foolish thing I've read..
Ugh. You think doctors follow some Visio diagram that tells them the path to follow and precisely the treatment plan and medication? Do you think this is the Soviet Union or something? Doctors make judgment calls every day about how aggressive to treat an issue, which combinations of medications, to operate or not.
You are going from foolish to embarrassingly misinformed. No wonder you buy into all of this conspiracy bullshit that is so easy to pick apart with basic critical thinking skills.
Doctors don't "make judgement calls". They look at their patient diagnosis and current condition. And then they look at the statistics behind potential treatments for that patient's condition, and go with the best odds/most likely to succeed scenario. Get over yourself. Maybe if you lost the ego and learned to talk to people with a little more respect, particularly those who disagree with you, as many threads around here wouldn't get locked.
What a joke. What you described is a judgment call. It's using education, experience and data to make a decision. Sorry that you think "judgment" is synonymous with "guessing", but it's not my fault that you don't understand the difference. And go find a thread that I was responsible for closing. I've never been banned, suspended or warned.
I'd ban you for being right and just because, lol.
What he described is a judgement call, don't waste tour time.
Dude I am a person who is slightly skeptical of the covid vaccines and very cautious about the pharmaceutical industry in general. I do however like full data from multiple sources. This video is a bunch of headlines only, and the laughable thing is that if you slow the video down to look at the headlines you can see the efficacy waning over time from 2020 to 2022 as the virus was mutating and variants were emerging. It also appears the gotcha vid is addressing only the ability to prevent infection, not the protection from severe outcomes. I'm not sure what the point of that video is, to let us know that as the virus mutated that the vaccine was less effective at preventing transmission? Haven't we known this, at least those of us who have been looking at the data from the get go, for a couple years now?
I'm just not sure what the point this video is trying to make. Also Tik Tok is bull shit and is horrible for your brain.
My question all this time is this..if they didn't knew for sure, why all this shit??.passporst, people lose their jobs, doctors and scientists are ιn the margin, ''no one will be safe until will be vaxxinared''..thats my problem my friend..for a man made virus( until now they don't tell us that), they promote us vaccines of questionable quality..
If you're a public health official, and you are seeing the deaths, setting the carnage, do you error on the side that over protects or under?
a scientist or doctor does not recommend any treatment if he is not sure..
That is the most foolish thing I've read. Doctors make judgment calls every single day. Maybe this is your issue. Do you live in some binary world where the decisions are black and white?
''Doctors make judgment calls every single day''..That is the most foolish thing I've read..
Ugh. You think doctors follow some Visio diagram that tells them the path to follow and precisely the treatment plan and medication? Do you think this is the Soviet Union or something? Doctors make judgment calls every day about how aggressive to treat an issue, which combinations of medications, to operate or not.
You are going from foolish to embarrassingly misinformed. No wonder you buy into all of this conspiracy bullshit that is so easy to pick apart with basic critical thinking skills.
As a fellow poster stated, “it’s very entertaining.” Or words to that effect. For me, it’s taken the place of Comedy Central, seeing how I don’t have cable.
And indeed this thread has become a joke. If we want to maintains any semblance of integrity on AMT, threads like this one should be locked and sealed tightly in a chest and buried in the ground... as long as it doesn't leak and pollute the water table.
and then what Brian? Begin another? Once found out to be what they appear, why continue to engage? What is the point of that? I direct that to myself too.
Yeah, bud, I hear you. I thought the same. Though my post was purposefully a bit hyperbolic, what I really would like most is to have a reasonable conversation here. I can handle just fine the fact that some of us have differing views. It's the obvious trolling and/or bating b.s. that gets old. That kind of stuff has been dragging this thread down for a good while now. It would be so much more cool to see this be a more rational discussion rather than just lobbing turds all over the place.
Ignore it. If the subject interests you then discuss it. Don't respond to obvious trolling. And definitely don't let it bother you...these trolls or anyone you disagree with aren't going to do donuts in your yard or anything.
I have learned a lot by being told I'm wrong when I'm wrong.
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Dude I am a person who is slightly skeptical of the covid vaccines and very cautious about the pharmaceutical industry in general. I do however like full data from multiple sources. This video is a bunch of headlines only, and the laughable thing is that if you slow the video down to look at the headlines you can see the efficacy waning over time from 2020 to 2022 as the virus was mutating and variants were emerging. It also appears the gotcha vid is addressing only the ability to prevent infection, not the protection from severe outcomes. I'm not sure what the point of that video is, to let us know that as the virus mutated that the vaccine was less effective at preventing transmission? Haven't we known this, at least those of us who have been looking at the data from the get go, for a couple years now?
I'm just not sure what the point this video is trying to make. Also Tik Tok is bull shit and is horrible for your brain.
My question all this time is this..if they didn't knew for sure, why all this shit??.passporst, people lose their jobs, doctors and scientists are ιn the margin, ''no one will be safe until will be vaxxinared''..thats my problem my friend..for a man made virus( until now they don't tell us that), they promote us vaccines of questionable quality..
If you're a public health official, and you are seeing the deaths, setting the carnage, do you error on the side that over protects or under?
a scientist or doctor does not recommend any treatment if he is not sure..
That is the most foolish thing I've read. Doctors make judgment calls every single day. Maybe this is your issue. Do you live in some binary world where the decisions are black and white?
''Doctors make judgment calls every single day''..That is the most foolish thing I've read..
Ugh. You think doctors follow some Visio diagram that tells them the path to follow and precisely the treatment plan and medication? Do you think this is the Soviet Union or something? Doctors make judgment calls every day about how aggressive to treat an issue, which combinations of medications, to operate or not.
You are going from foolish to embarrassingly misinformed. No wonder you buy into all of this conspiracy bullshit that is so easy to pick apart with basic critical thinking skills.
Doctors don't "make judgement calls". They look at their patient diagnosis and current condition. And then they look at the statistics behind potential treatments for that patient's condition, and go with the best odds/most likely to succeed scenario. Get over yourself. Maybe if you lost the ego and learned to talk to people with a little more respect, particularly those who disagree with you, as many threads around here wouldn't get locked.
What you just described sounds like a professional making a judgement call to me.
Dude I am a person who is slightly skeptical of the covid vaccines and very cautious about the pharmaceutical industry in general. I do however like full data from multiple sources. This video is a bunch of headlines only, and the laughable thing is that if you slow the video down to look at the headlines you can see the efficacy waning over time from 2020 to 2022 as the virus was mutating and variants were emerging. It also appears the gotcha vid is addressing only the ability to prevent infection, not the protection from severe outcomes. I'm not sure what the point of that video is, to let us know that as the virus mutated that the vaccine was less effective at preventing transmission? Haven't we known this, at least those of us who have been looking at the data from the get go, for a couple years now?
I'm just not sure what the point this video is trying to make. Also Tik Tok is bull shit and is horrible for your brain.
My question all this time is this..if they didn't knew for sure, why all this shit??.passporst, people lose their jobs, doctors and scientists are ιn the margin, ''no one will be safe until will be vaxxinared''..thats my problem my friend..for a man made virus( until now they don't tell us that), they promote us vaccines of questionable quality..
If you're a public health official, and you are seeing the deaths, setting the carnage, do you error on the side that over protects or under?
a scientist or doctor does not recommend any treatment if he is not sure..
That is the most foolish thing I've read. Doctors make judgment calls every single day. Maybe this is your issue. Do you live in some binary world where the decisions are black and white?
''Doctors make judgment calls every single day''..That is the most foolish thing I've read..
Ugh. You think doctors follow some Visio diagram that tells them the path to follow and precisely the treatment plan and medication? Do you think this is the Soviet Union or something? Doctors make judgment calls every day about how aggressive to treat an issue, which combinations of medications, to operate or not.
You are going from foolish to embarrassingly misinformed. No wonder you buy into all of this conspiracy bullshit that is so easy to pick apart with basic critical thinking skills.
Doctors don't "make judgement calls". They look at their patient diagnosis and current condition. And then they look at the statistics behind potential treatments for that patient's condition, and go with the best odds/most likely to succeed scenario. Get over yourself. Maybe if you lost the ego and learned to talk to people with a little more respect, particularly those who disagree with you, as many threads around here wouldn't get locked.
Dude I am a person who is slightly skeptical of the covid vaccines and very cautious about the pharmaceutical industry in general. I do however like full data from multiple sources. This video is a bunch of headlines only, and the laughable thing is that if you slow the video down to look at the headlines you can see the efficacy waning over time from 2020 to 2022 as the virus was mutating and variants were emerging. It also appears the gotcha vid is addressing only the ability to prevent infection, not the protection from severe outcomes. I'm not sure what the point of that video is, to let us know that as the virus mutated that the vaccine was less effective at preventing transmission? Haven't we known this, at least those of us who have been looking at the data from the get go, for a couple years now?
I'm just not sure what the point this video is trying to make. Also Tik Tok is bull shit and is horrible for your brain.
My question all this time is this..if they didn't knew for sure, why all this shit??.passporst, people lose their jobs, doctors and scientists are ιn the margin, ''no one will be safe until will be vaxxinared''..thats my problem my friend..for a man made virus( until now they don't tell us that), they promote us vaccines of questionable quality..
If you're a public health official, and you are seeing the deaths, setting the carnage, do you error on the side that over protects or under?
a scientist or doctor does not recommend any treatment if he is not sure..
That is the most foolish thing I've read. Doctors make judgment calls every single day. Maybe this is your issue. Do you live in some binary world where the decisions are black and white?
''Doctors make judgment calls every single day''..That is the most foolish thing I've read..
Ugh. You think doctors follow some Visio diagram that tells them the path to follow and precisely the treatment plan and medication? Do you think this is the Soviet Union or something? Doctors make judgment calls every day about how aggressive to treat an issue, which combinations of medications, to operate or not.
You are going from foolish to embarrassingly misinformed. No wonder you buy into all of this conspiracy bullshit that is so easy to pick apart with basic critical thinking skills.
Doctors don't "make judgement calls". They look at their patient diagnosis and current condition. And then they look at the statistics behind potential treatments for that patient's condition, and go with the best odds/most likely to succeed scenario. Get over yourself. Maybe if you lost the ego and learned to talk to people with a little more respect, particularly those who disagree with you, as many threads around here wouldn't get locked.
Definitions of judgment that I could find: "the ability to make considered decisions or come to sensible conclusions" - Oxford Dictionary "the process of forming an opinion or evaluation by discerning and comparing" - Merriam-Webster "the ability to formvaluableopinions and make good decisions" - Cambridge Dictionary
You're right. It's not a judgment call. It's a judgment call. How could I get that mixed up?
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Dude I am a person who is slightly skeptical of the covid vaccines and very cautious about the pharmaceutical industry in general. I do however like full data from multiple sources. This video is a bunch of headlines only, and the laughable thing is that if you slow the video down to look at the headlines you can see the efficacy waning over time from 2020 to 2022 as the virus was mutating and variants were emerging. It also appears the gotcha vid is addressing only the ability to prevent infection, not the protection from severe outcomes. I'm not sure what the point of that video is, to let us know that as the virus mutated that the vaccine was less effective at preventing transmission? Haven't we known this, at least those of us who have been looking at the data from the get go, for a couple years now?
I'm just not sure what the point this video is trying to make. Also Tik Tok is bull shit and is horrible for your brain.
My question all this time is this..if they didn't knew for sure, why all this shit??.passporst, people lose their jobs, doctors and scientists are ιn the margin, ''no one will be safe until will be vaxxinared''..thats my problem my friend..for a man made virus( until now they don't tell us that), they promote us vaccines of questionable quality..
If you're a public health official, and you are seeing the deaths, setting the carnage, do you error on the side that over protects or under?
a scientist or doctor does not recommend any treatment if he is not sure..
That is the most foolish thing I've read. Doctors make judgment calls every single day. Maybe this is your issue. Do you live in some binary world where the decisions are black and white?
''Doctors make judgment calls every single day''..That is the most foolish thing I've read..
Ugh. You think doctors follow some Visio diagram that tells them the path to follow and precisely the treatment plan and medication? Do you think this is the Soviet Union or something? Doctors make judgment calls every day about how aggressive to treat an issue, which combinations of medications, to operate or not.
You are going from foolish to embarrassingly misinformed. No wonder you buy into all of this conspiracy bullshit that is so easy to pick apart with basic critical thinking skills.
Doctors don't "make judgement calls". They look at their patient diagnosis and current condition. And then they look at the statistics behind potential treatments for that patient's condition, and go with the best odds/most likely to succeed scenario. Get over yourself. Maybe if you lost the ego and learned to talk to people with a little more respect, particularly those who disagree with you, as many threads around here wouldn't get locked.
What a joke. What you described is a judgment call. It's using education, experience and data to make a decision. Sorry that you think "judgment" is synonymous with "guessing", but it's not my fault that you don't understand the difference. And go find a thread that I was responsible for closing. I've never been banned, suspended or warned.
anyone who disagree with you is a joke, right??.. who is the joke here i guess..
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I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
Dude I am a person who is slightly skeptical of the covid vaccines and very cautious about the pharmaceutical industry in general. I do however like full data from multiple sources. This video is a bunch of headlines only, and the laughable thing is that if you slow the video down to look at the headlines you can see the efficacy waning over time from 2020 to 2022 as the virus was mutating and variants were emerging. It also appears the gotcha vid is addressing only the ability to prevent infection, not the protection from severe outcomes. I'm not sure what the point of that video is, to let us know that as the virus mutated that the vaccine was less effective at preventing transmission? Haven't we known this, at least those of us who have been looking at the data from the get go, for a couple years now?
I'm just not sure what the point this video is trying to make. Also Tik Tok is bull shit and is horrible for your brain.
My question all this time is this..if they didn't knew for sure, why all this shit??.passporst, people lose their jobs, doctors and scientists are ιn the margin, ''no one will be safe until will be vaxxinared''..thats my problem my friend..for a man made virus( until now they don't tell us that), they promote us vaccines of questionable quality..
If you're a public health official, and you are seeing the deaths, setting the carnage, do you error on the side that over protects or under?
a scientist or doctor does not recommend any treatment if he is not sure..
That is the most foolish thing I've read. Doctors make judgment calls every single day. Maybe this is your issue. Do you live in some binary world where the decisions are black and white?
''Doctors make judgment calls every single day''..That is the most foolish thing I've read..
Ugh. You think doctors follow some Visio diagram that tells them the path to follow and precisely the treatment plan and medication? Do you think this is the Soviet Union or something? Doctors make judgment calls every day about how aggressive to treat an issue, which combinations of medications, to operate or not.
You are going from foolish to embarrassingly misinformed. No wonder you buy into all of this conspiracy bullshit that is so easy to pick apart with basic critical thinking skills.
Doctors don't "make judgement calls". They look at their patient diagnosis and current condition. And then they look at the statistics behind potential treatments for that patient's condition, and go with the best odds/most likely to succeed scenario. Get over yourself. Maybe if you lost the ego and learned to talk to people with a little more respect, particularly those who disagree with you, as many threads around here wouldn't get locked.
their culture is visible every day..
Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015. Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022 EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
Dude I am a person who is slightly skeptical of the covid vaccines and very cautious about the pharmaceutical industry in general. I do however like full data from multiple sources. This video is a bunch of headlines only, and the laughable thing is that if you slow the video down to look at the headlines you can see the efficacy waning over time from 2020 to 2022 as the virus was mutating and variants were emerging. It also appears the gotcha vid is addressing only the ability to prevent infection, not the protection from severe outcomes. I'm not sure what the point of that video is, to let us know that as the virus mutated that the vaccine was less effective at preventing transmission? Haven't we known this, at least those of us who have been looking at the data from the get go, for a couple years now?
I'm just not sure what the point this video is trying to make. Also Tik Tok is bull shit and is horrible for your brain.
My question all this time is this..if they didn't knew for sure, why all this shit??.passporst, people lose their jobs, doctors and scientists are ιn the margin, ''no one will be safe until will be vaxxinared''..thats my problem my friend..for a man made virus( until now they don't tell us that), they promote us vaccines of questionable quality..
If you're a public health official, and you are seeing the deaths, setting the carnage, do you error on the side that over protects or under?
a scientist or doctor does not recommend any treatment if he is not sure..
That is the most foolish thing I've read. Doctors make judgment calls every single day. Maybe this is your issue. Do you live in some binary world where the decisions are black and white?
''Doctors make judgment calls every single day''..That is the most foolish thing I've read..
Ugh. You think doctors follow some Visio diagram that tells them the path to follow and precisely the treatment plan and medication? Do you think this is the Soviet Union or something? Doctors make judgment calls every day about how aggressive to treat an issue, which combinations of medications, to operate or not.
You are going from foolish to embarrassingly misinformed. No wonder you buy into all of this conspiracy bullshit that is so easy to pick apart with basic critical thinking skills.
Doctors don't "make judgement calls". They look at their patient diagnosis and current condition. And then they look at the statistics behind potential treatments for that patient's condition, and go with the best odds/most likely to succeed scenario. Get over yourself. Maybe if you lost the ego and learned to talk to people with a little more respect, particularly those who disagree with you, as many threads around here wouldn't get locked.
What a joke. What you described is a judgment call. It's using education, experience and data to make a decision. Sorry that you think "judgment" is synonymous with "guessing", but it's not my fault that you don't understand the difference. And go find a thread that I was responsible for closing. I've never been banned, suspended or warned.
anyone who disagree with you is a joke, right??.. who is the joke here i guess..
The joke is stating that doctors don't make judgment calls, and then describing what doctors do in the very definition of a judgment call.
And no, did you really expect that I was going to seek out someone that speaks Italian to translate a doc? I have a job you know.
This is behind a paywall, but for reference, this wasn't written by a doctor, researcher or immunologist. It's an opinion piece. So any reading should be done with the lens from which his pov originates.
Bret Louis Stephens is an American conservative journalist, editor, and columnist. He began working as an opinion columnist for The New York Times in April 2017 and as a senior contributor to NBC News in June 2017
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This is behind a paywall, but for reference, this wasn't written by a doctor, researcher or immunologist. It's an opinion piece. So any reading should be done with the lens from which his pov originates.
Bret Louis Stephens is an American conservative journalist, editor, and columnist. He began working as an opinion columnist for The New York Times in April 2017 and as a senior contributor to NBC News in June 2017
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
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another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
are you working for them maybe??
Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
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Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
As it is based on submissions by the public, VAERS is susceptible to unverified reports, misattribution, underreporting, and inconsistent data quality. Raw, unverified data from VAERS has often been used by the anti-vaccine community to justify misinformation regarding the safety of vaccines; it is generally not possible to find out from VAERS data if a vaccine caused an adverse event, or how common the event might be.
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Yet my comment was expectedly ignored by any right leaning commenters on here to continue instead with the nonsense about the vax. Just don’t get the vax ffs, unfortunately medicine is not an exact science. This is not a political conspiracy, but creating an unsafe environment and a bathtub sized govt not equipped to handle crisis, ignore that very real conspiracy while you beg for democratic help
Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
You are going from foolish to embarrassingly misinformed. No wonder you buy into all of this conspiracy bullshit that is so easy to pick apart with basic critical thinking skills.
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and then what Brian? Begin another? Once found out to be what they appear, why continue to engage? What is the point of that? I direct that to myself too.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
WASHINGTON (AP) — The government agency responsible for tracking down contaminated peanut butter and defective pacemakers is taking on a new health hazard: online misinformation.
It’s an unlikely role for the Food and Drug Administration, a sprawling, century-old bureaucracy that for decades directed most its communications toward doctors and corporations.
But FDA Commissioner Dr. Robert Califf has spent the last year warning that growing “distortions and half-truths” surrounding vaccines and other medical products are now “a leading cause of death in America.”
“Almost no one should be dying of COVID in the U.S. today,” Califf told The Associated Press, noting the government's distribution of free vaccines and antiviral medications. “People who are denying themselves that opportunity are dying because they're misinformed.”
Califf, who first led the agency under President Barack Obama, said the FDA could once rely on a few communication channels to reach Americans.
“We’re now in a 24/7 sea of information without a user guide for people out there in society," Califf said. "So this requires us to change the way we communicate.”
The FDA's answer? Short YouTube videos, long Twitter threads and other online postings debunking medical misinformation, including bogus COVID-19 remedies like ivermectin, the anti-parasite drug intended for farm animals. “Hold your horses y'all. Ivermectin may be trending, but it still isn't authorized or approved to treat COVID-19” the FDA told its 500,000 Twitter followers in April.
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On Instagram, FDA memes referencing Scooby-Doo and SpongeBob urge Americans to get boosted and ignore misinformation, alongside staid agency postings about the arrival of National Handwashing Awareness Week.
The AP asked more than a half-dozen health communication experts about the FDA's fledgling effort. They said it mostly reflects the latest science on combating misinformation, but they also questioned whether it’s reaching enough people to have an impact — and whether separate FDA controversies are undercutting the agency's credibility.
“The question I start with is, ‘Are you a trusted messenger or not?'” said Dr. Seema Yasmin, a Stanford University professor who studies medical misinformation and trains health officials in responding to it. “In the context of FDA, we can highlight multiple incidents which have damaged the credibility of the agency and deepened distrust of its scientific decisions."
In the last two years the FDA has come under fire for its controversial approval of an unproven Alzheimer’s drug as well as its delayed response to a contaminated baby formula plant, which contributed to a national supply shortage.
Meanwhile, the agency’s approach to booster vaccinations has been criticized by some of its top vaccine scientists and advisers.
“It’s not fair, but it doesn’t take too many negative stories to unravel the public’s trust,” said Georgetown University’s Leticia Bode, who studies political communication and misinformation.
About a quarter of Americans said they have “a lot” of trust in the FDA's handling of COVID-19, according to a survey conducted last year by University of Pennsylvania researchers, while less than half said they have “some trust.”
"The FDA's word is still one of the most highly regarded pieces of information people want to see,” said Califf, who was confirmed to his second stint leading the FDA last February.
As commissioner he is trying to tackle a host of issues, including restructuring the agency’s food safety program and more aggressively deploying FDA scientists to explain vaccine decisions in the media.
The array of challenges before the FDA raises questions about the new focus on misinformation. And Califf acknowledges the limits of what his agency can accomplish.
“Anyone who thinks the government’s going to solve this problem alone is deluding themselves," he said. “We need a vast network of knowledgeable people who devote part of their day to combating misinformation.”
Georgetown's Bode said the agency is “moving in the right direction,” on misinformation, particularly its “Just a Minute” series of factchecking videos, which feature FDA’s vaccine chief Dr. Peter Marks succinctly addressing a single COVID-19 myth or topic.
But how many people are seeing them?
“FDA’s YouTube videos have a minuscule audience,” said Brandon Nyhan, who studies medical misinformation at Dartmouth College. The people watching FDA videos ”are not the people we typically think about when we think about misinformation.”
Research by Nyhan and his colleagues suggests that fact-checking COVID-19 myths briefly dispels false beliefs, but the effects are “ephemeral.” Nyhan and other researchers noted the most trusted medical information source for most Americans is their doctor, not the government.
Even if the audience for FDA’s work is small, experts in online analytics say it may be having a bigger impact.
An FDA page dubbed “Rumor Control” debunks a long list of false claims about vaccines, such as that they contain pesticides. A Google search for “vaccines” and “pesticides” brings up the FDA’s response as a top result, because the search engine prioritizes credible websites.
“Because the FDA puts that information on its website, it will actually crowd out the misinformation from the top 10 or 20 Google results,” said David Lazer, a political and computer scientist at Northeastern University.
Perhaps the most promising approach to fighting misinformation is also the toughest to execute: introduce people to emerging misinformation and explain why it’s false before they encounter it elsewhere.
That technique, called “pre-bunking," presents challenges for large government agencies.
“Is the FDA nimble enough to have a detection system for misinformation and then quickly put out pre-bunking information within hours or days?” Lazer asked.
Califf said the FDA tracks new misinformation trends online and quickly decides whether — and when — to intervene.
“Sometimes calling attention to an issue can make it worse,” he notes.
Other communication challenges are baked into how the FDA operates. For instance, the agency consults an independent panel of vaccine specialists on major decisions about COVID-19 shots, considered a key step in fostering trust in the process.
But some of those experts have disagreed on who should receive COVID-19 vaccine boosters or how strong the evidence is for their use, particularly among younger people.
The FDA then largely relies on news media to translate those debates and its final decisions, which are often laden with scientific jargon.
The result has been “utter confusion,” about the latest round of COVID-19 boosters, says Lawrence Gostin, a public health specialist at Georgetown.
“If you’re trying to counteract misinformation on social media your first job is to clarify, simplify and explain things in an understandable way to the lay public,” said Gostin. “I don’t think anyone could say that FDA has done a good job with that.”
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Yeah, bud, I hear you. I thought the same. Though my post was purposefully a bit hyperbolic, what I really would like most is to have a reasonable conversation here. I can handle just fine the fact that some of us have differing views. It's the obvious trolling and/or bating b.s. that gets old. That kind of stuff has been dragging this thread down for a good while now. It would be so much more cool to see this be a more rational discussion rather than just lobbing turds all over the place.
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What he described is a judgement call, don't waste tour time.
I have learned a lot by being told I'm wrong when I'm wrong.
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You're right. It's not a judgment call. It's a judgment call. How could I get that mixed up?
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who is the joke here i guess..
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And no, did you really expect that I was going to seek out someone that speaks Italian to translate a doc? I have a job you know.
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Of course it would work if done correctly. It just seems so elementary to me I don't understand why it creates such an argument.
And this Bret Stephens guy is the one that threw a fit and quit Twitter for awhile because someone called him a "bedbug."
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