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  • PJNB
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,578
    PJNB said:
    oftenreading said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mickeyrat said:
    tish said:
    Canada's Dr.Tam (top doc) says future school closures and gathering limits not likely should next variant escape vaccine because we have treatments and rapid tests now. Says to keeps masks at hand for first line of defense.

    curious, have each province lifted most or all capacity limits?
    march 15 in manitoba the vaccine passport and masking, and even isolating when covid positive are done. our medical experts are especially not happy about the last two. 
    Not isolating when you have a contagious disease that can be deadly to some is ridiculous, and also just plain rude. I hope people continue to do the right thing and stay home when they’re sick. 
    What about the families that are barely making ends meet and can't stay at home for a week without pay? 

    there of course is that end to it, but I'd hope that employers like that will realize it's economically more beneficial to let one person stay home with pay for a week or so, rather than have 25 out and a few in hospital. 
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,131
    PJNB said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    No more masks in school starting this Monday in NJ.  So pumped.
    Awesome man. Our kids are the week after. They have March break this week so hopefully they have worn masks for the last time there. 
    Awesome!  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Spunkie
    Spunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 7,095
    PJNB said:

    Endemic... Again??? 


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  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJNB said:
    oftenreading said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mickeyrat said:
    tish said:
    Canada's Dr.Tam (top doc) says future school closures and gathering limits not likely should next variant escape vaccine because we have treatments and rapid tests now. Says to keeps masks at hand for first line of defense.

    curious, have each province lifted most or all capacity limits?
    march 15 in manitoba the vaccine passport and masking, and even isolating when covid positive are done. our medical experts are especially not happy about the last two. 
    Not isolating when you have a contagious disease that can be deadly to some is ridiculous, and also just plain rude. I hope people continue to do the right thing and stay home when they’re sick. 
    What about the families that are barely making ends meet and can't stay at home for a week without pay? 

    there of course is that end to it, but I'd hope that employers like that will realize it's economically more beneficial to let one person stay home with pay for a week or so, rather than have 25 out and a few in hospital. 
    In a perfect world sure but we all know how that will play out with companies. With no more gov kickbacks a lot of companies are not going to give low income workers a dime for staying home. 
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    edited March 2022
    PJNB said:
    oftenreading said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mickeyrat said:
    tish said:
    Canada's Dr.Tam (top doc) says future school closures and gathering limits not likely should next variant escape vaccine because we have treatments and rapid tests now. Says to keeps masks at hand for first line of defense.

    curious, have each province lifted most or all capacity limits?
    march 15 in manitoba the vaccine passport and masking, and even isolating when covid positive are done. our medical experts are especially not happy about the last two. 
    Not isolating when you have a contagious disease that can be deadly to some is ridiculous, and also just plain rude. I hope people continue to do the right thing and stay home when they’re sick. 
    What about the families that are barely making ends meet and can't stay at home for a week without pay? 


    If you're hoping that I have an answer for economic disparities that predate the pandemic by centuries then you're sadly mistaken. 

    We need to be honest with ourselves that we're not lifting these different restrictions because the pandemic is over, we're lifting them because people are tired of them. We are not yet at the endemic stage, but even when we are it doesn't mean that there will be no or few deaths, it just means that the pattern of spread and the impact of infections will be more predictable and more manageable.

    It didn't make sense to go into work while sick with a highly infectious disease before the pandemic, it won't make sense after the pandemic, and it definitely doesn't make sense during the pandemic. 
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  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    oftenreading said:
    PJNB said:
    oftenreading said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mickeyrat said:
    tish said:
    Canada's Dr.Tam (top doc) says future school closures and gathering limits not likely should next variant escape vaccine because we have treatments and rapid tests now. Says to keeps masks at hand for first line of defense.

    curious, have each province lifted most or all capacity limits?
    march 15 in manitoba the vaccine passport and masking, and even isolating when covid positive are done. our medical experts are especially not happy about the last two. 
    Not isolating when you have a contagious disease that can be deadly to some is ridiculous, and also just plain rude. I hope people continue to do the right thing and stay home when they’re sick. 
    What about the families that are barely making ends meet and can't stay at home for a week without pay? 


    If you're hoping that I have an answer for economic disparities that predate the pandemic by centuries then you're sadly mistaken. 

    We need to be honest with ourselves that we're not lifting these different restrictions because the pandemic is over, we're lifting them because people are tired of them. We are not yet at the endemic stage, but even when we are it doesn't mean that there will be no or few deaths, it just means that the pattern of spread and the impact of infections will be more predictable and more manageable.

    It didn't make sense to go into work while sick with a highly infectious disease before the pandemic, and it won't make sense after the pandemic. 
    My point is what works for you might not work for others. If you have a job that allowed you to work from home the last two years and when you go back you have payed sick days you are going to look at things differently then a single parent working 3 jobs and barely getting by and can't afford to take the time off. I am not asking you to have an answer for economic disparities but rather sympathize for those that need to work even while sick. I would not call them rude for wanting to provide for their family. 


    Also I disagree with the fact that governments are lifting restrictions mainly because people are tired of them. That would give people the sense that the truckers actually made an impact on the decision making going on the last couple of months. The science has dictated these restrictions from the start and will continue to hopefully do so. 
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,921
    Anyone  have any solid info on the recent  study on the Pfizer vaccine  changing  the dna.? Ive seen a few video's on a study Thats  peer reviewed.  Looks serious  its in vitro but tell me if you know or see anything 


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  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    lastexitlondon said:
    Anyone  have any solid info on the recent  study on the Pfizer vaccine  changing  the dna.? Ive seen a few video's on a study Thats  peer reviewed.  Looks serious  its in vitro but tell me if you know or see anything 
    Thats what they antivaxxers have been saying from the start is it not? All info I have seen have been they can not change your DNA. Hope that stays true. 
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,596
    edited March 2022
    lastexitlondon said:
    Anyone  have any solid info on the recent  study on the Pfizer vaccine  changing  the dna.? Ive seen a few video's on a study Thats  peer reviewed.  Looks serious  its in vitro but tell me if you know or see anything 

    first I would ask , where you have seen this.
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,474
    lastexitlondon said:
    Anyone  have any solid info on the recent  study on the Pfizer vaccine  changing  the dna.? Ive seen a few video's on a study Thats  peer reviewed.  Looks serious  its in vitro but tell me if you know or see anything 
    I don't know about DNA but ever since I got my vaccines every time I fart my garage door opens
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,596
    I dont know where to put this, but since its supposed to be sbout this topic I guess here is as good as anywhere.

    I will say though,  I hope these trucks and trailers are fully operational without defects that put them out of service because Maryland State Police are very thorough in their inspections. And would wager they will do a fair number of them.

    Now from a driver stand point, these motherfuckers will take already limited parking from folks engaged in transport of freight in need of rest from actually working.


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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,578
    lastexitlondon said:
    Anyone  have any solid info on the recent  study on the Pfizer vaccine  changing  the dna.? Ive seen a few video's on a study Thats  peer reviewed.  Looks serious  its in vitro but tell me if you know or see anything 
    I just watched this. It seems to me this study has uncovered more questions than answers (as many studies do). and yes, it's all in vitro study. I don't know how much of a difference that makes. But it's also worth mentioning that while it is theorized that the vaccine reverse transcribes (turns RNA into DNA), that also has been shown to happen with the virus itself. 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjxlvduyJyc

    I don't think there's any big cause for concern at this point. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,578
    edited March 2022
    I know this is wikipedia, but here it explains in vitro vs in vivo studies, and in vitro results doesn't always replicate to a living organism. 

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vitro#Disadvantages
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  • Nami
    Nami Newfoundland Posts: 5,999
    https://youtu.be/rfyOihhAD4A
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  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528

    Nami said:
    https://youtu.be/rfyOihhAD4A

    fer christ sakes
  • Nami
    Nami Newfoundland Posts: 5,999
    Smellyman said:

    Nami said:
    https://youtu.be/rfyOihhAD4A

    fer christ sakes
    A 19 min video and it took you 8 minutes to respond from me posting.  Obviously you didn't watch the vid, so doctor's/ med group studies are no longer legit?
    This guy is pretty good and has been promoting vaccination all along.

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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,526
    Covid deaths have been decreasing for a year,  the last few months have dropped like a rock.  It's time to make this endemic.

    The focus in the news medias shifted a while ago on how many new cases rather than deaths.  Now?  I don't hear a peep on the news about numbers anymore.
  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    Nami said:
    Smellyman said:

    Nami said:
    https://youtu.be/rfyOihhAD4A

    fer christ sakes
    A 19 min video and it took you 8 minutes to respond from me posting.  Obviously you didn't watch the vid, so doctor's/ med group studies are no longer legit?
    This guy is pretty good and has been promoting vaccination all along.

    True.

    I can find actual studies and not dude on Youtube

  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    Smellyman said:
    Nami said:
    Smellyman said:

    Nami said:
    https://youtu.be/rfyOihhAD4A

    fer christ sakes
    A 19 min video and it took you 8 minutes to respond from me posting.  Obviously you didn't watch the vid, so doctor's/ med group studies are no longer legit?
    This guy is pretty good and has been promoting vaccination all along.

    True.

    I can find actual studies and not dude on Youtube

    This.  

    I put You Tube videos just slightly above the crack pot at the end of the bar.  Only because the guy on you tube can afford a phone with a camera. 

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