I am not sure why you keep bringing up fox news and rightwing bits. I am a Canadian who leans left. I think masks work. I do not think stopping my kids from socializing and talking with other kids while they sit at their desk and eat for 20 mins is a benefit to anyone.
Don't beat yourself up, man. Your concerns are valid and you won't convince those with different viewpoints otherwise. This isn't about politics, but again, you won't convince others of that either. Socialization amongst 5 and 7 year olds is important. If the schools near you are taking these measures, I assume they space the children out 6 feet for lunch. If my assumption is correct, I'd like to see a scientific study that proves kids that eat with their masks down that simply breathe (no talking) are less likely to spread covid than a child that actually speaks in the same exact scenario. The posted article about benefits of kids wearing masks is irrelevant to this topic. We all know the benefits of masks. Show me the benefit of a kid simply breathing vs. speaking when spaced out 6 feet for a 20 minute lunch. If I'm proven wrong, I will tip my cap.
Furthermore, if it is okay for adults to sit in a restaurant and dine with masks down in your area, and also to speak while doing so, then this is even more nonsensical. And opening the windows in winter? Sounds like a good idea. Good grief.
I am not sure why you keep bringing up fox news and rightwing bits. I am a Canadian who leans left. I think masks work. I do not think stopping my kids from socializing and talking with other kids while they sit at their desk and eat for 20 mins is a benefit to anyone.
Don't beat yourself up, man. Your concerns are valid and you won't convince those with different viewpoints otherwise. This isn't about politics, but again, you won't convince others of that either. Socialization amongst 5 and 7 year olds is important. If the schools near you are taking these measures, I assume they space the children out 6 feet for lunch. If my assumption is correct, I'd like to see a scientific study that proves kids that eat with their masks down that simply breathe (no talking) are less likely to spread covid than a child that actually speaks in the same exact scenario. The posted article about benefits of kids wearing masks is irrelevant to this topic. We all know the benefits of masks. Show me the benefit of a kid simply breathing vs. speaking when spaced out 6 feet for a 20 minute lunch. If I'm proven wrong, I will tip my cap.
Furthermore, if it is okay for adults to sit in a restaurant and dine with masks down in your area, and also to speak while doing so, then this is even more nonsensical. And opening the windows in winter? Sounds like a good idea. Good grief.
If Jesus Christ came down from the sky and told everyone to get vaccinated there would still be those who would not listen. After all the vaccines given and all the people who survived them, how they’ve protected almost all from severe illness and death and all those unvaccinated who’ve been sick and died it proves the vaccine is safe. If everyone would have listened from the beginning this would be over by now. For gods sake even trump tells them to get vaccinated. Bottom line, the unvaccinated are to blame. Period.
What a load of horse manure.
Quit stalking me….already told you not worth my time. Can’t fight with men huh? And your profile is private….what a fucking joke
If Jesus Christ came down from the sky and told everyone to get vaccinated there would still be those who would not listen. After all the vaccines given and all the people who survived them, how they’ve protected almost all from severe illness and death and all those unvaccinated who’ve been sick and died it proves the vaccine is safe. If everyone would have listened from the beginning this would be over by now. For gods sake even trump tells them to get vaccinated. Bottom line, the unvaccinated are to blame. Period.
What a load of horse manure.
Quit stalking me….already told you not worth my time. Can’t fight with men huh? And your profile is private….what a fucking joke
I am not sure why you keep bringing up fox news and rightwing bits. I am a Canadian who leans left. I think masks work. I do not think stopping my kids from socializing and talking with other kids while they sit at their desk and eat for 20 mins is a benefit to anyone.
Don't beat yourself up, man. Your concerns are valid and you won't convince those with different viewpoints otherwise. This isn't about politics, but again, you won't convince others of that either. Socialization amongst 5 and 7 year olds is important. If the schools near you are taking these measures, I assume they space the children out 6 feet for lunch. If my assumption is correct, I'd like to see a scientific study that proves kids that eat with their masks down that simply breathe (no talking) are less likely to spread covid than a child that actually speaks in the same exact scenario. The posted article about benefits of kids wearing masks is irrelevant to this topic. We all know the benefits of masks. Show me the benefit of a kid simply breathing vs. speaking when spaced out 6 feet for a 20 minute lunch. If I'm proven wrong, I will tip my cap.
Furthermore, if it is okay for adults to sit in a restaurant and dine with masks down in your area, and also to speak while doing so, then this is even more nonsensical. And opening the windows in winter? Sounds like a good idea. Good grief.
Can't quite tip my cap from this alone. It does not address the 6 foot distance factor and emphasizes the volume when speaking (louder voices = more risk). In a classroom for 5 and 7 year olds, it is safe to assume that the teacher would enforce 12 inch voices. There is solid data here, in general terms, but not fully applicable to our situation and not enough to convince me that these kids are super spreading when having a sandwich for twenty minutes and talking to a friend.
I honestly feel bad for all of you with children having to deal with this mess. It’s bad enough you have to manage the whole social media issues and now this…I wouldn’t know what to do so how you’re all figuring out is beyond me. All I can do is wish you guys the best and tell you to take care of yourselves and your babies.
I am not sure why you keep bringing up fox news and rightwing bits. I am a Canadian who leans left. I think masks work. I do not think stopping my kids from socializing and talking with other kids while they sit at their desk and eat for 20 mins is a benefit to anyone.
Don't beat yourself up, man. Your concerns are valid and you won't convince those with different viewpoints otherwise. This isn't about politics, but again, you won't convince others of that either. Socialization amongst 5 and 7 year olds is important. If the schools near you are taking these measures, I assume they space the children out 6 feet for lunch. If my assumption is correct, I'd like to see a scientific study that proves kids that eat with their masks down that simply breathe (no talking) are less likely to spread covid than a child that actually speaks in the same exact scenario. The posted article about benefits of kids wearing masks is irrelevant to this topic. We all know the benefits of masks. Show me the benefit of a kid simply breathing vs. speaking when spaced out 6 feet for a 20 minute lunch. If I'm proven wrong, I will tip my cap.
Furthermore, if it is okay for adults to sit in a restaurant and dine with masks down in your area, and also to speak while doing so, then this is even more nonsensical. And opening the windows in winter? Sounds like a good idea. Good grief.
Can't quite tip my cap from this alone. It does not address the 6 foot distance factor and emphasizes the volume when speaking (louder voices = more risk). In a classroom for 5 and 7 year olds, it is safe to assume that the teacher would enforce 12 inch voices. There is solid data here, in general terms, but not fully applicable to our situation and not enough to convince me that these kids are super spreading when having a sandwich for twenty minutes and talking to a friend.
I read something much more definitive a while back that compared mask wearing to exhaling sans mask to speaking, to singing to shouting. It spoke to viral loads, distance traveled and included pictures of colored mists being used as folks demonstrated each action. I couldn’t find the original during a quick search but the article I linked appears to cover the same issues.
Have you ever been in a room with 20-35 5 to 17 year olds when they’re all trying to speak at once? Recognize the term “inside voices?” The din I can hear hurts my ears. Doesn’t the term “superspreader” apply to situations where more than three people at the same event end up testing positive? The teacher, most at risk, is probably 1 of maybe 5 adults at risk during lunch in a cafeteria or in their classroom. Covid is the least risk to children. It’s not just about the children.
If Jesus Christ came down from the sky and told everyone to get vaccinated there would still be those who would not listen. After all the vaccines given and all the people who survived them, how they’ve protected almost all from severe illness and death and all those unvaccinated who’ve been sick and died it proves the vaccine is safe. If everyone would have listened from the beginning this would be over by now. For gods sake even trump tells them to get vaccinated. Bottom line, the unvaccinated are to blame. Period.
What a load of horse manure.
Quit stalking me….already told you not worth my time. Can’t fight with men huh? And your profile is private….what a fucking joke
Sorry you felt that way. I wasn't targeting you, but any post with such imbecilic claim deserves a comment on a public forum. That's all. Be well.
So do people really think that kids talking at lunch instead of being silent is going to impact the pandemic?
Are we talking like .001% more deaths? It just seems silly that kids already together being allowed to talk is going to prolong the pandemic. Insanity. Adults are getting together and talking EVERYWHERE and nobody is staying silent and adults are more at risk than kids. It is insane.
I wonder how much of it is about liability. Somebody talked to my kid and gave him Covid so I am going to sue the school.
I am not sure why you keep bringing up fox news and rightwing bits. I am a Canadian who leans left. I think masks work. I do not think stopping my kids from socializing and talking with other kids while they sit at their desk and eat for 20 mins is a benefit to anyone.
Don't beat yourself up, man. Your concerns are valid and you won't convince those with different viewpoints otherwise. This isn't about politics, but again, you won't convince others of that either. Socialization amongst 5 and 7 year olds is important. If the schools near you are taking these measures, I assume they space the children out 6 feet for lunch. If my assumption is correct, I'd like to see a scientific study that proves kids that eat with their masks down that simply breathe (no talking) are less likely to spread covid than a child that actually speaks in the same exact scenario. The posted article about benefits of kids wearing masks is irrelevant to this topic. We all know the benefits of masks. Show me the benefit of a kid simply breathing vs. speaking when spaced out 6 feet for a 20 minute lunch. If I'm proven wrong, I will tip my cap.
Furthermore, if it is okay for adults to sit in a restaurant and dine with masks down in your area, and also to speak while doing so, then this is even more nonsensical. And opening the windows in winter? Sounds like a good idea. Good grief.
Can't quite tip my cap from this alone. It does not address the 6 foot distance factor and emphasizes the volume when speaking (louder voices = more risk). In a classroom for 5 and 7 year olds, it is safe to assume that the teacher would enforce 12 inch voices. There is solid data here, in general terms, but not fully applicable to our situation and not enough to convince me that these kids are super spreading when having a sandwich for twenty minutes and talking to a friend.
I read something much more definitive a while back that compared mask wearing to exhaling sans mask to speaking, to singing to shouting. It spoke to viral loads, distance traveled and included pictures of colored mists being used as folks demonstrated each action. I couldn’t find the original during a quick search but the article I linked appears to cover the same issues.
Have you ever been in a room with 20-35 5 to 17 year olds when they’re all trying to speak at once? Recognize the term “inside voices?” The din I can hear hurts my ears. Doesn’t the term “superspreader” apply to situations where more than three people at the same event end up testing positive? The teacher, most at risk, is probably 1 of maybe 5 adults at risk during lunch in a cafeteria or in their classroom. Covid is the least risk to children. It’s not just about the children.
There are no teachers in the room. There are teachers that walk the halls to monitor the kids to make sure they are ok and of course not talking. They are in their classroom that they have been in all day since they are not allowed to move around and are spaced out. 20 minutes of silence from a group of 20 kids that are 5 years old. Amazing that there is support in this group for that. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. If that was your kid though and you got an email that your kid was talking during lunch and that you are to talk to the child to tell them to keep quiet while they eat maybe you might feel a bit different. Then again maybe not.
@bbiggs You are spot on with restaurants being open and the adults and kids are allowed to talk there of course. What about the waiters/waitresses in these situations? If we are protecting teachers why are we not protecting restaurant workers? I beat myself up all the time as a father and these last two years has been rough. Thanks for your comments.
Edit: Now that I think about it could you imagine a rule for adults to eat at a restaurant they are not allowed to talk? That would make huge headlines would it not? Why are kids ok to have these restrictions put on but us their role models would not even follow with that science?
I am not sure why you keep bringing up fox news and rightwing bits. I am a Canadian who leans left. I think masks work. I do not think stopping my kids from socializing and talking with other kids while they sit at their desk and eat for 20 mins is a benefit to anyone.
Don't beat yourself up, man. Your concerns are valid and you won't convince those with different viewpoints otherwise. This isn't about politics, but again, you won't convince others of that either. Socialization amongst 5 and 7 year olds is important. If the schools near you are taking these measures, I assume they space the children out 6 feet for lunch. If my assumption is correct, I'd like to see a scientific study that proves kids that eat with their masks down that simply breathe (no talking) are less likely to spread covid than a child that actually speaks in the same exact scenario. The posted article about benefits of kids wearing masks is irrelevant to this topic. We all know the benefits of masks. Show me the benefit of a kid simply breathing vs. speaking when spaced out 6 feet for a 20 minute lunch. If I'm proven wrong, I will tip my cap.
Furthermore, if it is okay for adults to sit in a restaurant and dine with masks down in your area, and also to speak while doing so, then this is even more nonsensical. And opening the windows in winter? Sounds like a good idea. Good grief.
Can't quite tip my cap from this alone. It does not address the 6 foot distance factor and emphasizes the volume when speaking (louder voices = more risk). In a classroom for 5 and 7 year olds, it is safe to assume that the teacher would enforce 12 inch voices. There is solid data here, in general terms, but not fully applicable to our situation and not enough to convince me that these kids are super spreading when having a sandwich for twenty minutes and talking to a friend.
I read something much more definitive a while back that compared mask wearing to exhaling sans mask to speaking, to singing to shouting. It spoke to viral loads, distance traveled and included pictures of colored mists being used as folks demonstrated each action. I couldn’t find the original during a quick search but the article I linked appears to cover the same issues.
Have you ever been in a room with 20-35 5 to 17 year olds when they’re all trying to speak at once? Recognize the term “inside voices?” The din I can hear hurts my ears. Doesn’t the term “superspreader” apply to situations where more than three people at the same event end up testing positive? The teacher, most at risk, is probably 1 of maybe 5 adults at risk during lunch in a cafeteria or in their classroom. Covid is the least risk to children. It’s not just about the children.
I hear what you’re saying and appreciate the comments. I just find this so nonsensical when we are told it’s safe for adults to dine at a restaurant with mask down, eating and speaking. Children in this case are given different rules. Inconsistencies are a common theme throughout the pandemic though. Any of us that are parents with young children are experiencing the same challenges. It sucks.
And I agree that children are the least at risk, but to my earlier point, the adult(s) in the room with them (teachers in this case) are told it’s okay to go dine indoors and speak while doing so, but with kids in the room it changes. It’s the inconsistencies that leave so many of us puzzled with the decisions being made by those in authority.
I am not sure why you keep bringing up fox news and rightwing bits. I am a Canadian who leans left. I think masks work. I do not think stopping my kids from socializing and talking with other kids while they sit at their desk and eat for 20 mins is a benefit to anyone.
Don't beat yourself up, man. Your concerns are valid and you won't convince those with different viewpoints otherwise. This isn't about politics, but again, you won't convince others of that either. Socialization amongst 5 and 7 year olds is important. If the schools near you are taking these measures, I assume they space the children out 6 feet for lunch. If my assumption is correct, I'd like to see a scientific study that proves kids that eat with their masks down that simply breathe (no talking) are less likely to spread covid than a child that actually speaks in the same exact scenario. The posted article about benefits of kids wearing masks is irrelevant to this topic. We all know the benefits of masks. Show me the benefit of a kid simply breathing vs. speaking when spaced out 6 feet for a 20 minute lunch. If I'm proven wrong, I will tip my cap.
Furthermore, if it is okay for adults to sit in a restaurant and dine with masks down in your area, and also to speak while doing so, then this is even more nonsensical. And opening the windows in winter? Sounds like a good idea. Good grief.
Can't quite tip my cap from this alone. It does not address the 6 foot distance factor and emphasizes the volume when speaking (louder voices = more risk). In a classroom for 5 and 7 year olds, it is safe to assume that the teacher would enforce 12 inch voices. There is solid data here, in general terms, but not fully applicable to our situation and not enough to convince me that these kids are super spreading when having a sandwich for twenty minutes and talking to a friend.
I read something much more definitive a while back that compared mask wearing to exhaling sans mask to speaking, to singing to shouting. It spoke to viral loads, distance traveled and included pictures of colored mists being used as folks demonstrated each action. I couldn’t find the original during a quick search but the article I linked appears to cover the same issues.
Have you ever been in a room with 20-35 5 to 17 year olds when they’re all trying to speak at once? Recognize the term “inside voices?” The din I can hear hurts my ears. Doesn’t the term “superspreader” apply to situations where more than three people at the same event end up testing positive? The teacher, most at risk, is probably 1 of maybe 5 adults at risk during lunch in a cafeteria or in their classroom. Covid is the least risk to children. It’s not just about the children.
There are no teachers in the room. There are teachers that walk the halls to monitor the kids to make sure they are ok and of course not talking. They are in their classroom that they have been in all day since they are not allowed to move around and are spaced out. 20 minutes of silence from a group of 20 kids that are 5 years old. Amazing that there is support in this group for that. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. If that was your kid though and you got an email that your kid was talking during lunch and that you are to talk to the child to tell them to keep quiet while they eat maybe you might feel a bit different. Then again maybe not.
@bbiggs You are spot on with restaurants being open and the adults and kids are allowed to talk there of course. What about the waiters/waitresses in these situations? If we are protecting teachers why are we not protecting restaurant workers? I beat myself up all the time as a father and these last two years has been rough. Thanks for your comments.
Edit: Now that I think about it could you imagine a rule for adults to eat at a restaurant they are not allowed to talk? That would make huge headlines would it not? Why are kids ok to have these restrictions put on but us their role models would not even follow with that science?
No teachers in the room changes the conversation. Who are they protecting at this point? Crazy stuff. I have my qualms with our school district about certain things, but this is next level.
I am not sure why you keep bringing up fox news and rightwing bits. I am a Canadian who leans left. I think masks work. I do not think stopping my kids from socializing and talking with other kids while they sit at their desk and eat for 20 mins is a benefit to anyone.
Don't beat yourself up, man. Your concerns are valid and you won't convince those with different viewpoints otherwise. This isn't about politics, but again, you won't convince others of that either. Socialization amongst 5 and 7 year olds is important. If the schools near you are taking these measures, I assume they space the children out 6 feet for lunch. If my assumption is correct, I'd like to see a scientific study that proves kids that eat with their masks down that simply breathe (no talking) are less likely to spread covid than a child that actually speaks in the same exact scenario. The posted article about benefits of kids wearing masks is irrelevant to this topic. We all know the benefits of masks. Show me the benefit of a kid simply breathing vs. speaking when spaced out 6 feet for a 20 minute lunch. If I'm proven wrong, I will tip my cap.
Furthermore, if it is okay for adults to sit in a restaurant and dine with masks down in your area, and also to speak while doing so, then this is even more nonsensical. And opening the windows in winter? Sounds like a good idea. Good grief.
Can't quite tip my cap from this alone. It does not address the 6 foot distance factor and emphasizes the volume when speaking (louder voices = more risk). In a classroom for 5 and 7 year olds, it is safe to assume that the teacher would enforce 12 inch voices. There is solid data here, in general terms, but not fully applicable to our situation and not enough to convince me that these kids are super spreading when having a sandwich for twenty minutes and talking to a friend.
I read something much more definitive a while back that compared mask wearing to exhaling sans mask to speaking, to singing to shouting. It spoke to viral loads, distance traveled and included pictures of colored mists being used as folks demonstrated each action. I couldn’t find the original during a quick search but the article I linked appears to cover the same issues.
Have you ever been in a room with 20-35 5 to 17 year olds when they’re all trying to speak at once? Recognize the term “inside voices?” The din I can hear hurts my ears. Doesn’t the term “superspreader” apply to situations where more than three people at the same event end up testing positive? The teacher, most at risk, is probably 1 of maybe 5 adults at risk during lunch in a cafeteria or in their classroom. Covid is the least risk to children. It’s not just about the children.
I hear what you’re saying and appreciate the comments. I just find this so nonsensical when we are told it’s safe for adults to dine at a restaurant with mask down, eating and speaking. Children in this case are given different rules. Inconsistencies are a common theme throughout the pandemic though. Any of us that are parents with young children are experiencing the same challenges. It sucks.
And I agree that children are the least at risk, but to my earlier point, the adult(s) in the room with them (teachers in this case) are told it’s okay to go dine indoors and speak while doing so, but with kids in the room it changes. It’s the inconsistencies that leave so many of us puzzled with the decisions being made by those in authority.
I don't agree with this apparent rule that kids should not be talking while eating lunch, but I also think you should recognize that no one has said with any scientific justification that it is "safe" for adults to dine at a restaurant. It's not "safe"; in fact, depending on multiple factors like case counts in the city and other public health restrictions it's actually one of the riskier things you can be doing during covid. Don't confuse the fact that it's permitted in most places with the idea that it's safe.
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I am not sure why you keep bringing up fox news and rightwing bits. I am a Canadian who leans left. I think masks work. I do not think stopping my kids from socializing and talking with other kids while they sit at their desk and eat for 20 mins is a benefit to anyone.
Don't beat yourself up, man. Your concerns are valid and you won't convince those with different viewpoints otherwise. This isn't about politics, but again, you won't convince others of that either. Socialization amongst 5 and 7 year olds is important. If the schools near you are taking these measures, I assume they space the children out 6 feet for lunch. If my assumption is correct, I'd like to see a scientific study that proves kids that eat with their masks down that simply breathe (no talking) are less likely to spread covid than a child that actually speaks in the same exact scenario. The posted article about benefits of kids wearing masks is irrelevant to this topic. We all know the benefits of masks. Show me the benefit of a kid simply breathing vs. speaking when spaced out 6 feet for a 20 minute lunch. If I'm proven wrong, I will tip my cap.
Furthermore, if it is okay for adults to sit in a restaurant and dine with masks down in your area, and also to speak while doing so, then this is even more nonsensical. And opening the windows in winter? Sounds like a good idea. Good grief.
Can't quite tip my cap from this alone. It does not address the 6 foot distance factor and emphasizes the volume when speaking (louder voices = more risk). In a classroom for 5 and 7 year olds, it is safe to assume that the teacher would enforce 12 inch voices. There is solid data here, in general terms, but not fully applicable to our situation and not enough to convince me that these kids are super spreading when having a sandwich for twenty minutes and talking to a friend.
I read something much more definitive a while back that compared mask wearing to exhaling sans mask to speaking, to singing to shouting. It spoke to viral loads, distance traveled and included pictures of colored mists being used as folks demonstrated each action. I couldn’t find the original during a quick search but the article I linked appears to cover the same issues.
Have you ever been in a room with 20-35 5 to 17 year olds when they’re all trying to speak at once? Recognize the term “inside voices?” The din I can hear hurts my ears. Doesn’t the term “superspreader” apply to situations where more than three people at the same event end up testing positive? The teacher, most at risk, is probably 1 of maybe 5 adults at risk during lunch in a cafeteria or in their classroom. Covid is the least risk to children. It’s not just about the children.
I hear what you’re saying and appreciate the comments. I just find this so nonsensical when we are told it’s safe for adults to dine at a restaurant with mask down, eating and speaking. Children in this case are given different rules. Inconsistencies are a common theme throughout the pandemic though. Any of us that are parents with young children are experiencing the same challenges. It sucks.
And I agree that children are the least at risk, but to my earlier point, the adult(s) in the room with them (teachers in this case) are told it’s okay to go dine indoors and speak while doing so, but with kids in the room it changes. It’s the inconsistencies that leave so many of us puzzled with the decisions being made by those in authority.
Teachers outside of the classroom have choices. Inside the classroom, not so much. I’d bet that most teachers would be fine with a no mask lunch and let the kids gab. But if you’re (general you) that one teacher with compromised immune system, comorbidities or underlying health issues, you can’t avoid it. You’re self isolating, not going out in crowds, being cautious and then you show up for work and you’re thinking everyone of those kids is the grim reaper.
Knowing the kids are alone in the classroom while eating? Let em let loose, but maybe make them vacate the room, open the windows and air the place out. It’s about minimizing risk and having some semblance of balance.
I’d love to see anyone who’s not a teacher to step into the roll for a month or two in normal times, never mind during these covid times. It’s one thing when it’s your kid but a roomful of someone else’s? It takes a special person to show up and deal, day in and day out for a career to retire from. I can’t imagine.
Are those with kids on here engaged with the PTO, school board, superintendent, principal or town council or equivalent? All politics, and “policy” can be local.
I am not sure why you keep bringing up fox news and rightwing bits. I am a Canadian who leans left. I think masks work. I do not think stopping my kids from socializing and talking with other kids while they sit at their desk and eat for 20 mins is a benefit to anyone.
Don't beat yourself up, man. Your concerns are valid and you won't convince those with different viewpoints otherwise. This isn't about politics, but again, you won't convince others of that either. Socialization amongst 5 and 7 year olds is important. If the schools near you are taking these measures, I assume they space the children out 6 feet for lunch. If my assumption is correct, I'd like to see a scientific study that proves kids that eat with their masks down that simply breathe (no talking) are less likely to spread covid than a child that actually speaks in the same exact scenario. The posted article about benefits of kids wearing masks is irrelevant to this topic. We all know the benefits of masks. Show me the benefit of a kid simply breathing vs. speaking when spaced out 6 feet for a 20 minute lunch. If I'm proven wrong, I will tip my cap.
Furthermore, if it is okay for adults to sit in a restaurant and dine with masks down in your area, and also to speak while doing so, then this is even more nonsensical. And opening the windows in winter? Sounds like a good idea. Good grief.
Can't quite tip my cap from this alone. It does not address the 6 foot distance factor and emphasizes the volume when speaking (louder voices = more risk). In a classroom for 5 and 7 year olds, it is safe to assume that the teacher would enforce 12 inch voices. There is solid data here, in general terms, but not fully applicable to our situation and not enough to convince me that these kids are super spreading when having a sandwich for twenty minutes and talking to a friend.
I read something much more definitive a while back that compared mask wearing to exhaling sans mask to speaking, to singing to shouting. It spoke to viral loads, distance traveled and included pictures of colored mists being used as folks demonstrated each action. I couldn’t find the original during a quick search but the article I linked appears to cover the same issues.
Have you ever been in a room with 20-35 5 to 17 year olds when they’re all trying to speak at once? Recognize the term “inside voices?” The din I can hear hurts my ears. Doesn’t the term “superspreader” apply to situations where more than three people at the same event end up testing positive? The teacher, most at risk, is probably 1 of maybe 5 adults at risk during lunch in a cafeteria or in their classroom. Covid is the least risk to children. It’s not just about the children.
I hear what you’re saying and appreciate the comments. I just find this so nonsensical when we are told it’s safe for adults to dine at a restaurant with mask down, eating and speaking. Children in this case are given different rules. Inconsistencies are a common theme throughout the pandemic though. Any of us that are parents with young children are experiencing the same challenges. It sucks.
And I agree that children are the least at risk, but to my earlier point, the adult(s) in the room with them (teachers in this case) are told it’s okay to go dine indoors and speak while doing so, but with kids in the room it changes. It’s the inconsistencies that leave so many of us puzzled with the decisions being made by those in authority.
I don't agree with this apparent rule that kids should not be talking while eating lunch, but I also think you should recognize that no one has said with any scientific justification that it is "safe" for adults to dine at a restaurant. It's not "safe"; in fact, depending on multiple factors like case counts in the city and other public health restrictions it's actually one of the riskier things you can be doing during covid. Don't confuse the fact that it's permitted in most places with the idea that it's safe.
Fair enough. Permitted for adults, who are exponentially at higher risk, and not permitted for children is nonsensical and certainly not following the science.
Classrooms with teachers and kids = restaurants with adults and waitstaff? Got it. I’m a teacher (I’m not), I can choose to go to a restaurant but can I choose to show up to my classroom? Fully masked, vaccinated and boosted? Fuck it, quit, you lazy, overpaid SOB.
I am not sure why you keep bringing up fox news and rightwing bits. I am a Canadian who leans left. I think masks work. I do not think stopping my kids from socializing and talking with other kids while they sit at their desk and eat for 20 mins is a benefit to anyone.
Don't beat yourself up, man. Your concerns are valid and you won't convince those with different viewpoints otherwise. This isn't about politics, but again, you won't convince others of that either. Socialization amongst 5 and 7 year olds is important. If the schools near you are taking these measures, I assume they space the children out 6 feet for lunch. If my assumption is correct, I'd like to see a scientific study that proves kids that eat with their masks down that simply breathe (no talking) are less likely to spread covid than a child that actually speaks in the same exact scenario. The posted article about benefits of kids wearing masks is irrelevant to this topic. We all know the benefits of masks. Show me the benefit of a kid simply breathing vs. speaking when spaced out 6 feet for a 20 minute lunch. If I'm proven wrong, I will tip my cap.
Furthermore, if it is okay for adults to sit in a restaurant and dine with masks down in your area, and also to speak while doing so, then this is even more nonsensical. And opening the windows in winter? Sounds like a good idea. Good grief.
Can't quite tip my cap from this alone. It does not address the 6 foot distance factor and emphasizes the volume when speaking (louder voices = more risk). In a classroom for 5 and 7 year olds, it is safe to assume that the teacher would enforce 12 inch voices. There is solid data here, in general terms, but not fully applicable to our situation and not enough to convince me that these kids are super spreading when having a sandwich for twenty minutes and talking to a friend.
I read something much more definitive a while back that compared mask wearing to exhaling sans mask to speaking, to singing to shouting. It spoke to viral loads, distance traveled and included pictures of colored mists being used as folks demonstrated each action. I couldn’t find the original during a quick search but the article I linked appears to cover the same issues.
Have you ever been in a room with 20-35 5 to 17 year olds when they’re all trying to speak at once? Recognize the term “inside voices?” The din I can hear hurts my ears. Doesn’t the term “superspreader” apply to situations where more than three people at the same event end up testing positive? The teacher, most at risk, is probably 1 of maybe 5 adults at risk during lunch in a cafeteria or in their classroom. Covid is the least risk to children. It’s not just about the children.
I hear what you’re saying and appreciate the comments. I just find this so nonsensical when we are told it’s safe for adults to dine at a restaurant with mask down, eating and speaking. Children in this case are given different rules. Inconsistencies are a common theme throughout the pandemic though. Any of us that are parents with young children are experiencing the same challenges. It sucks.
And I agree that children are the least at risk, but to my earlier point, the adult(s) in the room with them (teachers in this case) are told it’s okay to go dine indoors and speak while doing so, but with kids in the room it changes. It’s the inconsistencies that leave so many of us puzzled with the decisions being made by those in authority.
I don't agree with this apparent rule that kids should not be talking while eating lunch, but I also think you should recognize that no one has said with any scientific justification that it is "safe" for adults to dine at a restaurant. It's not "safe"; in fact, depending on multiple factors like case counts in the city and other public health restrictions it's actually one of the riskier things you can be doing during covid. Don't confuse the fact that it's permitted in most places with the idea that it's safe.
Fair enough. Permitted for adults, who are exponentially at higher risk, and not permitted for children is nonsensical and certainly not following the science.
Kids can pass it between kids and pass it everywhere they go and not just the 30 minutes while eating.
If Jesus Christ came down from the sky and told everyone to get vaccinated there would still be those who would not listen. After all the vaccines given and all the people who survived them, how they’ve protected almost all from severe illness and death and all those unvaccinated who’ve been sick and died it proves the vaccine is safe. If everyone would have listened from the beginning this would be over by now. For gods sake even trump tells them to get vaccinated. Bottom line, the unvaccinated are to blame. Period.
What a load of horse manure.
Quit stalking me….already told you not worth my time. Can’t fight with men huh? And your profile is private….what a fucking joke
Sorry you felt that way. I wasn't targeting you, but any post with such imbecilic claim deserves a comment on a public forum. That's all. Be well.
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If Jesus Christ came down from the sky and told everyone to get vaccinated there would still be those who would not listen. After all the vaccines given and all the people who survived them, how they’ve protected almost all from severe illness and death and all those unvaccinated who’ve been sick and died it proves the vaccine is safe. If everyone would have listened from the beginning this would be over by now. For gods sake even trump tells them to get vaccinated. Bottom line, the unvaccinated are to blame. Period.
What a load of horse manure.
Quit stalking me….already told you not worth my time. Can’t fight with men huh? And your profile is private….what a fucking joke
Sorry you felt that way. I wasn't targeting you, but any post with such imbecilic claim deserves a comment on a public forum. That's all. Be well.
what a load of horse manure
There you go. I was right on par with the mob here. Standard comment.
If Jesus Christ came down from the sky and told everyone to get vaccinated there would still be those who would not listen. After all the vaccines given and all the people who survived them, how they’ve protected almost all from severe illness and death and all those unvaccinated who’ve been sick and died it proves the vaccine is safe. If everyone would have listened from the beginning this would be over by now. For gods sake even trump tells them to get vaccinated. Bottom line, the unvaccinated are to blame. Period.
What a load of horse manure.
Quit stalking me….already told you not worth my time. Can’t fight with men huh? And your profile is private….what a fucking joke
Sorry you felt that way. I wasn't targeting you, but any post with such imbecilic claim deserves a comment on a public forum. That's all. Be well.
what a load of horse manure
There you go. I was right on par with the mob here. Standard comment.
I read a friends post on social media today that their kid is not allowed to talk in school while it’s lunch time since they are not wearing a mask. I thought that was crazy and maybe exaggerated a bit so I asked my kids if they are allowed to talk during lunch time while eating and they both said no. One said that they were told not to because they might spread germs. This is a 5 year old and a 7 year old. What the fuck.
Another school just outside our area had a teacher email the parents to tell them to have a talk with their kids about not talking during recess and lunchtime. This will help them keep safe. The same teacher said they would have windows open throughout the day and the whole time while they eat. They recommended bringing an extra jacket or sweater cause it could get chilly. What the fuck.
there's been a lot of really, really stupid policies put in place by teachers and/or administrators. a lot of it has been mind boggling. I'm sure it's super stressful and has to be really difficult to be a teacher, especially now, but common sense is often not the rule these days.
At the start this was forgivable. Now it is inexcusable. Teachers have a tough job for sure. But common sense what’s best for our kids total health has gone out the window it seems,
Attempting to protect children is inexcusable? Come on..
I believe they mean that doing things that have no basis in science is the inexcusable part.
Are you saying that having open windows in an otherwise closed space, classrooms, and not speaking while eating, to lessen potential viral spread, has no basis in science?
no, we were speaking in general terms. at least I was. But opening windows, restrmaking the kids sit in the cold to eat lunch, yes, I think is kinda dumb.
Do the kids eat alone without adult supervision? Cafeteria employees or a teacher that is required to pull cafeteria duty? My employer still doesn’t allow food in meetings, in person meetings have space and distance restrictions as well as mask requirements, unless you have an office and can close your door, and if you’re eating indoors, you’re required to eat alone.
Has anyone thought that the restrictions might be to protect the adults in the room? Or fuck them? So, what solutions are there? Remote learning?
of course it's to protect everyone, not just the kids. that's honestly where I think some of the incidents arise from....you get one paranoid/hypochondriac/high risk teacher and these things are put in place. I have similar examples at my kids' school. stuff that just doesn't make sense.
their principle has been known to put a traffic cone near puddles so the kids don't get wet and cry. it's absurd. nature playground with a hill: "don't run on the hill, kids! someone might get hurt". let the kids play FFS.
at my work we're not required to eat alone. we have a lunch room and they leave it up to the adults to space themselves out accordingly. but with nearly zero people in the office these days, doesn't really matter.
there is doing everything you can to curb the spread, then there's doing everything you can within reason. making the kids eat in cold weather is not within reason. they are already spaced out. and no need to muzzle them. if the rule is 6 feet/2 meters, then that's the rule and don't add ridiculous things on top of that. sure, open windows when it's nice out.
Playing devil's advocate as I know several teachers, granted not of the school ages being discussed but still. Say you're (general you) a teacher, 1-5 years from retirement, spent your whole working life teaching, maybe immunocompromised or have a religious exemption, but more likely have underlying health conditions and since you're close to retirement, in your upper 50s to mid 60s. Maybe you're even double vaxxed and boosted. Would you want to be in an enclosed room with minimal airflow full of 20 to 35 petri dishes, wearing a mask, realizing there's breakthrough infections and your mask doesn't protect you but is meant/intended to protect others?
Its about minimizing risk exposure. Sorry your (general you) kid has to wear a mask and a sweater and can't talk while they eat. Oh, the horror. Said teacher gets sick and is out for a prolonged period or dies. Now what's the quality of your kids' education? If I were a teacher, in that circumstance and met that profile, I'd be advocating to my union and school board for remote learning. Whatever happened to personal responsibility and the common good?
Take the bold and replace "teacher" with "parent" and remove "high risk."
Maybe the traffic cone in the puddle is so the dumb kid that doesn't realize water is wet and makes your clothes wet and you cold is there so they don't get soaked and have to be sent home or the parent called to bring in dry clothes? Running downhill, face planting and breaking a limb would probably result in a lawsuit in this day and age and I agree its dumb (let kids be kids). However, a pandemic tends to change things for a while.
playing devil's advocate here, couldn't the at risk teacher that is working with these petri dishes take early retirement or find a different job to take personal responsibility for their health and for the greater good?
Guess it would depend on the retirement system and their financial situation. Playing devil's advocate, can't the kids learn remotely? Or hybrid to reduce class sizes?
My daughter is a remote learner and we have found it has actually helped her so I have no dog in the fight. For in person I agree reduced class sizes, or let the at risk and teachers that are more worried about the vaccines and masks not being a high enough level of protection teach remote and the more cavalier that believe in masks and vax teach in person.
I don’t have a dog in the fight either and was more responding to restrictions “not being based in science” as my teacher friends have told me that their leaving windows and doors open and running fans in their classrooms and lots of places are evaluating their HVAC systems from rates of airflow or exchange air to filter micron capability. Also offering up the perspective from a teacher’s point of view as they’re always getting the blame, regardless.
My wife is a teacher, I can confirm about the getting the blame. They are an easy target, because they are the most visible and accessible. They often catch a lot of flack for decisions made by administrators and school boards.
The Army's announcement makes it the final military service to lay out its discharge policy for vaccine refusers. The Marine Corps, Air Force and Navy have already discharged active-duty troops or entry-level personnel at boot camps for refusing the shots. So far, the Army has not discharged any.
According to data released by the Army last week, more than 3,300 soldiers have refused to get the vaccine. The Army has said that more than 3,000 soldiers have been issued official written reprimands, which suggests they are already identified in the disciplinary process, and some of them could be among the first to be discharged.
The Pentagon has ordered all service members — active-duty, National Guard and Reserves — to get the vaccine, saying it is critical to maintaining the health and readiness of the force. COVID-19 cases continue to surge around the country as a result of the omicron variant.
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Those idiots put their lives on the line so you have freedom to call them idiots. Not taking a vaccine does not make anyone an idiot. It does however prove your ignorance.
No it makes them an idiot. Everyone but 3,300 that put their lives on the line obeyed orders.
How does that make them an idiot? For standing up for what they believe in? So you are saying they have low intelligence because they didn't get the vaccine? How many of them have already caught COVID? Natural immunity is better than the vaccine but for some reason that science isn't acceptable.
Edit: Point being is that you don't know each of their individual reasons for not taking the vaccine and it is ignorant to call all of them idiots for standing up for what they believe in, or don't believe in.
We weren't allowed to pick and chose which vaccines we got in the military. You were told you were getting them, no questions asked. Why should this one be any different?
If Jesus Christ came down from the sky and told everyone to get vaccinated there would still be those who would not listen. After all the vaccines given and all the people who survived them, how they’ve protected almost all from severe illness and death and all those unvaccinated who’ve been sick and died it proves the vaccine is safe. If everyone would have listened from the beginning this would be over by now. For gods sake even trump tells them to get vaccinated. Bottom line, the unvaccinated are to blame. Period.
What a load of horse manure.
Quit stalking me….already told you not worth my time. Can’t fight with men huh? And your profile is private….what a fucking joke
Sorry you felt that way. I wasn't targeting you, but any post with such imbecilic claim deserves a comment on a public forum. That's all. Be well.
what a load of horse manure
There you go. I was right on par with the mob here. Standard comment.
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
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The Army's announcement makes it the final military service to lay out its discharge policy for vaccine refusers. The Marine Corps, Air Force and Navy have already discharged active-duty troops or entry-level personnel at boot camps for refusing the shots. So far, the Army has not discharged any.
According to data released by the Army last week, more than 3,300 soldiers have refused to get the vaccine. The Army has said that more than 3,000 soldiers have been issued official written reprimands, which suggests they are already identified in the disciplinary process, and some of them could be among the first to be discharged.
The Pentagon has ordered all service members — active-duty, National Guard and Reserves — to get the vaccine, saying it is critical to maintaining the health and readiness of the force. COVID-19 cases continue to surge around the country as a result of the omicron variant.
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Good...idiots
Those idiots put their lives on the line so you have freedom to call them idiots. Not taking a vaccine does not make anyone an idiot. It does however prove your ignorance.
No it makes them an idiot. Everyone but 3,300 that put their lives on the line obeyed orders.
How does that make them an idiot? For standing up for what they believe in? So you are saying they have low intelligence because they didn't get the vaccine? How many of them have already caught COVID? Natural immunity is better than the vaccine but for some reason that science isn't acceptable.
Edit: Point being is that you don't know each of their individual reasons for not taking the vaccine and it is ignorant to call all of them idiots for standing up for what they believe in, or don't believe in.
We weren't allowed to pick and chose which vaccines we got in the military. You were told you were getting them, no questions asked. Why should this one be any different?
Exactly....and if you get deployed to a foreign country you get all kinds of shots. Yet this one some refuse to get.
Fuck them...I had a friend that was career Army. He told me years ago that if my son ever wanted to go into the military to go Navy or Air Force because the Army was full of US rejects.
I'm not saying that to fault anyone in the Army. But we all know that the Army needs bodies to run through a grinder if required. A lot of these people are young adults that were unable to make it in the real world. Because of that the Army will take nearly anyone that wants to join.
Again....not all. I have total respect for anyone in the military.
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If Jesus Christ came down from the sky and told everyone to get vaccinated there would still be those who would not listen. After all the vaccines given and all the people who survived them, how they’ve protected almost all from severe illness and death and all those unvaccinated who’ve been sick and died it proves the vaccine is safe. If everyone would have listened from the beginning this would be over by now. For gods sake even trump tells them to get vaccinated. Bottom line, the unvaccinated are to blame. Period.
What a load of horse manure.
Quit stalking me….already told you not worth my time. Can’t fight with men huh? And your profile is private….what a fucking joke
Sorry you felt that way. I wasn't targeting you, but any post with such imbecilic claim deserves a comment on a public forum. That's all. Be well.
what a load of horse manure
There you go. I was right on par with the mob here. Standard comment.
If Jesus Christ came down from the sky and told everyone to get vaccinated there would still be those who would not listen. After all the vaccines given and all the people who survived them, how they’ve protected almost all from severe illness and death and all those unvaccinated who’ve been sick and died it proves the vaccine is safe. If everyone would have listened from the beginning this would be over by now. For gods sake even trump tells them to get vaccinated. Bottom line, the unvaccinated are to blame. Period.
What a load of horse manure.
Quit stalking me….already told you not worth my time. Can’t fight with men huh? And your profile is private….what a fucking joke
Sorry you felt that way. I wasn't targeting you, but any post with such imbecilic claim deserves a comment on a public forum. That's all. Be well.
what a load of horse manure
There you go. I was right on par with the mob here. Standard comment.
really. exact repeat of what you said to her.
in case you forgot, open up this quote chain.
Let me rephrase. What I said is right on par with the standard practice here. She made idiotic comment - "unvaccinated are to blame," which is horse shit. Isn't it?
If Jesus Christ came down from the sky and told everyone to get vaccinated there would still be those who would not listen. After all the vaccines given and all the people who survived them, how they’ve protected almost all from severe illness and death and all those unvaccinated who’ve been sick and died it proves the vaccine is safe. If everyone would have listened from the beginning this would be over by now. For gods sake even trump tells them to get vaccinated. Bottom line, the unvaccinated are to blame. Period.
What a load of horse manure.
Quit stalking me….already told you not worth my time. Can’t fight with men huh? And your profile is private….what a fucking joke
Sorry you felt that way. I wasn't targeting you, but any post with such imbecilic claim deserves a comment on a public forum. That's all. Be well.
what a load of horse manure
There you go. I was right on par with the mob here. Standard comment.
really. exact repeat of what you said to her.
in case you forgot, open up this quote chain.
Let me rephrase. What I said is right on par with the standard practice here. She made idiotic comment - "unvaccinated are to blame," which is horse shit. Isn't it?
Speaking of horse shit, you still think vaccines are useless?
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Have you ever been in a room with 20-35 5 to 17 year olds when they’re all trying to speak at once? Recognize the term “inside voices?” The din I can hear hurts my ears. Doesn’t the term “superspreader” apply to situations where more than three people at the same event end up testing positive? The teacher, most at risk, is probably 1 of maybe 5 adults at risk during lunch in a cafeteria or in their classroom. Covid is the least risk to children. It’s not just about the children.
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Sorry you felt that way. I wasn't targeting you, but any post with such imbecilic claim deserves a comment on a public forum. That's all. Be well.
I wonder how much of it is about liability. Somebody talked to my kid and gave him Covid so I am going to sue the school.
@bbiggs You are spot on with restaurants being open and the adults and kids are allowed to talk there of course. What about the waiters/waitresses in these situations? If we are protecting teachers why are we not protecting restaurant workers? I beat myself up all the time as a father and these last two years has been rough. Thanks for your comments.
Edit: Now that I think about it could you imagine a rule for adults to eat at a restaurant they are not allowed to talk? That would make huge headlines would it not? Why are kids ok to have these restrictions put on but us their role models would not even follow with that science?
I don't agree with this apparent rule that kids should not be talking while eating lunch, but I also think you should recognize that no one has said with any scientific justification that it is "safe" for adults to dine at a restaurant. It's not "safe"; in fact, depending on multiple factors like case counts in the city and other public health restrictions it's actually one of the riskier things you can be doing during covid. Don't confuse the fact that it's permitted in most places with the idea that it's safe.
I’d love to see anyone who’s not a teacher to step into the roll for a month or two in normal times, never mind during these covid times. It’s one thing when it’s your kid but a roomful of someone else’s? It takes a special person to show up and deal, day in and day out for a career to retire from. I can’t imagine.
Are those with kids on here engaged with the PTO, school board, superintendent, principal or town council or equivalent? All politics, and “policy” can be local.
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Kids can pass it between kids and pass it everywhere they go and not just the 30 minutes while eating.
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Fuck them...I had a friend that was career Army. He told me years ago that if my son ever wanted to go into the military to go Navy or Air Force because the Army was full of US rejects.
I'm not saying that to fault anyone in the Army. But we all know that the Army needs bodies to run through a grinder if required. A lot of these people are young adults that were unable to make it in the real world. Because of that the Army will take nearly anyone that wants to join.
Again....not all. I have total respect for anyone in the military.
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2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
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