Supply chains and Work shortages

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  • mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,483
    mfc2006 said:
    mfc2006 said:
    mfc2006 said:
    mfc2006 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Here's a thought on why people don't want to go back to work...
    https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2021/10/19/1047032996/why-are-so-many-americans-quitting-their-jobs?fbclid=IwAR3P-sK5hgBMGIuHhA6FTuRyOfmot1o-hQpbtWIQyXpivbW3Evx36jcF8E0

    I'm probably blessed in my office-work-at-home life but I'm not feeling very many effects. We order a lot of stuff and aside from the occasional random thing seemingly disappearing from grocery store shelves for weeks and a couple of businesses having reduced hours, I'm not noticing much. But then again, I'm in a bubble.

    The biggest inconvenience I've had happened yesterday. I decided to call the vet because my dog has some bald spots. I found out yesterday that just about every veterinarian is scheduling out at least four weeks. So I waited a couple hours in vet urgent care and spent an extra $50 for an appointment because I think it might be ringworm (test now pending). But you ask about "...and your surrounding area." and it looks like this is a nationwide problem due in large part to a huge increase in pet ownership during the pandemic.
    Hope you don't have to wait long for ivermectin if it is indeed a worm. (thanks Joe Rogan & Alex Jones et al) 


    RE: Traffic, more people are on the roads in the Boston area, but I think a lot of people are opting to drive to work as opposed to taking the subway since offices reopened. 

    I work in manufacturing, and there are a lot of people panic buying, which isn't helping the supply chain. We're on pace to sell as many as 4X the amount of certain items that we sold last year, the usage has been impossible to anticipate. 

    People operating like they did in 2019 (i.e. waiting until the last minute to order product expecting it to be available) are screwed.

    It's a different world than it was 2 years ago. 

    For the record, we make our product right here, we don't import. 
    We have to order materials far in advance now.  It's like 2009-2010 all over again.

    I agree with people not using public transport again.

    What are you guys making that people are gobbling up?
    We have to order way in advance. It's a damn nightmare. On top of that, we've increased our manufacturing wages 5 times to try to attract new workers & it hasn't worked yet. 
    Just out of curiosity, what are you offering?  I'm curious if it's too low of pay to entice people?

    I thought $20 for a hospitality job in AC was pretty good.  Doing fast food or a restaurant?  not so much.
    It depends on their experience/skill set in manufacturing. It's anywhere from $20-30/hr + benefits. 
    For me in my 20's that is fair.  Now? Not so much.
    $20/hr is with zero experience, and it adjusts from there. Believe me, I wish we could offer more, but it's not up to me & production isn't even my department within the company. The cost of living in the KC area is decent, but I would rather we start a bit higher. We may have to if the latest increases don't have decent results. 

    Our manufacturing lines aren't heavy-labor intensive at all, either. These are primarily entry-level positions or just above. 
    20s is a fair starting wage.
    If you still live at home or rent a room in a house, yes.
    Which is what most of our entry level employees do---they have roommates, live at home, etc.

    If someone applies with far more experience, we adjust accordingly. We did this last week, actually and brought them on as a for a salaried lower-management position. 

    We just aren't receiving nearly as many applications as we did 2 years ago. That's a fact.
    I'd love to move out of NY but KC is not on the radar, lol.
    It's not on a lot of people's radars! LOL
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  • mfc2006 said:
    mfc2006 said:
    mfc2006 said:
    mfc2006 said:
    mfc2006 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Here's a thought on why people don't want to go back to work...
    https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2021/10/19/1047032996/why-are-so-many-americans-quitting-their-jobs?fbclid=IwAR3P-sK5hgBMGIuHhA6FTuRyOfmot1o-hQpbtWIQyXpivbW3Evx36jcF8E0

    I'm probably blessed in my office-work-at-home life but I'm not feeling very many effects. We order a lot of stuff and aside from the occasional random thing seemingly disappearing from grocery store shelves for weeks and a couple of businesses having reduced hours, I'm not noticing much. But then again, I'm in a bubble.

    The biggest inconvenience I've had happened yesterday. I decided to call the vet because my dog has some bald spots. I found out yesterday that just about every veterinarian is scheduling out at least four weeks. So I waited a couple hours in vet urgent care and spent an extra $50 for an appointment because I think it might be ringworm (test now pending). But you ask about "...and your surrounding area." and it looks like this is a nationwide problem due in large part to a huge increase in pet ownership during the pandemic.
    Hope you don't have to wait long for ivermectin if it is indeed a worm. (thanks Joe Rogan & Alex Jones et al) 


    RE: Traffic, more people are on the roads in the Boston area, but I think a lot of people are opting to drive to work as opposed to taking the subway since offices reopened. 

    I work in manufacturing, and there are a lot of people panic buying, which isn't helping the supply chain. We're on pace to sell as many as 4X the amount of certain items that we sold last year, the usage has been impossible to anticipate. 

    People operating like they did in 2019 (i.e. waiting until the last minute to order product expecting it to be available) are screwed.

    It's a different world than it was 2 years ago. 

    For the record, we make our product right here, we don't import. 
    We have to order materials far in advance now.  It's like 2009-2010 all over again.

    I agree with people not using public transport again.

    What are you guys making that people are gobbling up?
    We have to order way in advance. It's a damn nightmare. On top of that, we've increased our manufacturing wages 5 times to try to attract new workers & it hasn't worked yet. 
    Just out of curiosity, what are you offering?  I'm curious if it's too low of pay to entice people?

    I thought $20 for a hospitality job in AC was pretty good.  Doing fast food or a restaurant?  not so much.
    It depends on their experience/skill set in manufacturing. It's anywhere from $20-30/hr + benefits. 
    For me in my 20's that is fair.  Now? Not so much.
    $20/hr is with zero experience, and it adjusts from there. Believe me, I wish we could offer more, but it's not up to me & production isn't even my department within the company. The cost of living in the KC area is decent, but I would rather we start a bit higher. We may have to if the latest increases don't have decent results. 

    Our manufacturing lines aren't heavy-labor intensive at all, either. These are primarily entry-level positions or just above. 
    20s is a fair starting wage.
    If you still live at home or rent a room in a house, yes.
    Which is what most of our entry level employees do---they have roommates, live at home, etc.

    If someone applies with far more experience, we adjust accordingly. We did this last week, actually and brought them on as a for a salaried lower-management position. 

    We just aren't receiving nearly as many applications as we did 2 years ago. That's a fact.
    I'd love to move out of NY but KC is not on the radar, lol.
    It's not on a lot of people's radars! LOL
    Your airport though?  Top 5 for sure.  That horseshoe or "C" shape?  Easy peasy in and out, not too many people.  Love it.

    Burbank is my all time favorite though.
  • mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,483
    mfc2006 said:
    mfc2006 said:
    mfc2006 said:
    mfc2006 said:
    mfc2006 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Here's a thought on why people don't want to go back to work...
    https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2021/10/19/1047032996/why-are-so-many-americans-quitting-their-jobs?fbclid=IwAR3P-sK5hgBMGIuHhA6FTuRyOfmot1o-hQpbtWIQyXpivbW3Evx36jcF8E0

    I'm probably blessed in my office-work-at-home life but I'm not feeling very many effects. We order a lot of stuff and aside from the occasional random thing seemingly disappearing from grocery store shelves for weeks and a couple of businesses having reduced hours, I'm not noticing much. But then again, I'm in a bubble.

    The biggest inconvenience I've had happened yesterday. I decided to call the vet because my dog has some bald spots. I found out yesterday that just about every veterinarian is scheduling out at least four weeks. So I waited a couple hours in vet urgent care and spent an extra $50 for an appointment because I think it might be ringworm (test now pending). But you ask about "...and your surrounding area." and it looks like this is a nationwide problem due in large part to a huge increase in pet ownership during the pandemic.
    Hope you don't have to wait long for ivermectin if it is indeed a worm. (thanks Joe Rogan & Alex Jones et al) 


    RE: Traffic, more people are on the roads in the Boston area, but I think a lot of people are opting to drive to work as opposed to taking the subway since offices reopened. 

    I work in manufacturing, and there are a lot of people panic buying, which isn't helping the supply chain. We're on pace to sell as many as 4X the amount of certain items that we sold last year, the usage has been impossible to anticipate. 

    People operating like they did in 2019 (i.e. waiting until the last minute to order product expecting it to be available) are screwed.

    It's a different world than it was 2 years ago. 

    For the record, we make our product right here, we don't import. 
    We have to order materials far in advance now.  It's like 2009-2010 all over again.

    I agree with people not using public transport again.

    What are you guys making that people are gobbling up?
    We have to order way in advance. It's a damn nightmare. On top of that, we've increased our manufacturing wages 5 times to try to attract new workers & it hasn't worked yet. 
    Just out of curiosity, what are you offering?  I'm curious if it's too low of pay to entice people?

    I thought $20 for a hospitality job in AC was pretty good.  Doing fast food or a restaurant?  not so much.
    It depends on their experience/skill set in manufacturing. It's anywhere from $20-30/hr + benefits. 
    For me in my 20's that is fair.  Now? Not so much.
    $20/hr is with zero experience, and it adjusts from there. Believe me, I wish we could offer more, but it's not up to me & production isn't even my department within the company. The cost of living in the KC area is decent, but I would rather we start a bit higher. We may have to if the latest increases don't have decent results. 

    Our manufacturing lines aren't heavy-labor intensive at all, either. These are primarily entry-level positions or just above. 
    20s is a fair starting wage.
    If you still live at home or rent a room in a house, yes.
    Which is what most of our entry level employees do---they have roommates, live at home, etc.

    If someone applies with far more experience, we adjust accordingly. We did this last week, actually and brought them on as a for a salaried lower-management position. 

    We just aren't receiving nearly as many applications as we did 2 years ago. That's a fact.
    I'd love to move out of NY but KC is not on the radar, lol.
    It's not on a lot of people's radars! LOL
    Your airport though?  Top 5 for sure.  That horseshoe or "C" shape?  Easy peasy in and out, not too many people.  Love it.

    Burbank is my all time favorite though.
    Glad you enjoyed it while it was easy. LOL

    Major redesign has turned it into a cluster.
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  • mfc2006 said:
    mfc2006 said:
    mfc2006 said:
    mfc2006 said:
    mfc2006 said:
    mfc2006 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Here's a thought on why people don't want to go back to work...
    https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2021/10/19/1047032996/why-are-so-many-americans-quitting-their-jobs?fbclid=IwAR3P-sK5hgBMGIuHhA6FTuRyOfmot1o-hQpbtWIQyXpivbW3Evx36jcF8E0

    I'm probably blessed in my office-work-at-home life but I'm not feeling very many effects. We order a lot of stuff and aside from the occasional random thing seemingly disappearing from grocery store shelves for weeks and a couple of businesses having reduced hours, I'm not noticing much. But then again, I'm in a bubble.

    The biggest inconvenience I've had happened yesterday. I decided to call the vet because my dog has some bald spots. I found out yesterday that just about every veterinarian is scheduling out at least four weeks. So I waited a couple hours in vet urgent care and spent an extra $50 for an appointment because I think it might be ringworm (test now pending). But you ask about "...and your surrounding area." and it looks like this is a nationwide problem due in large part to a huge increase in pet ownership during the pandemic.
    Hope you don't have to wait long for ivermectin if it is indeed a worm. (thanks Joe Rogan & Alex Jones et al) 


    RE: Traffic, more people are on the roads in the Boston area, but I think a lot of people are opting to drive to work as opposed to taking the subway since offices reopened. 

    I work in manufacturing, and there are a lot of people panic buying, which isn't helping the supply chain. We're on pace to sell as many as 4X the amount of certain items that we sold last year, the usage has been impossible to anticipate. 

    People operating like they did in 2019 (i.e. waiting until the last minute to order product expecting it to be available) are screwed.

    It's a different world than it was 2 years ago. 

    For the record, we make our product right here, we don't import. 
    We have to order materials far in advance now.  It's like 2009-2010 all over again.

    I agree with people not using public transport again.

    What are you guys making that people are gobbling up?
    We have to order way in advance. It's a damn nightmare. On top of that, we've increased our manufacturing wages 5 times to try to attract new workers & it hasn't worked yet. 
    Just out of curiosity, what are you offering?  I'm curious if it's too low of pay to entice people?

    I thought $20 for a hospitality job in AC was pretty good.  Doing fast food or a restaurant?  not so much.
    It depends on their experience/skill set in manufacturing. It's anywhere from $20-30/hr + benefits. 
    For me in my 20's that is fair.  Now? Not so much.
    $20/hr is with zero experience, and it adjusts from there. Believe me, I wish we could offer more, but it's not up to me & production isn't even my department within the company. The cost of living in the KC area is decent, but I would rather we start a bit higher. We may have to if the latest increases don't have decent results. 

    Our manufacturing lines aren't heavy-labor intensive at all, either. These are primarily entry-level positions or just above. 
    20s is a fair starting wage.
    If you still live at home or rent a room in a house, yes.
    Which is what most of our entry level employees do---they have roommates, live at home, etc.

    If someone applies with far more experience, we adjust accordingly. We did this last week, actually and brought them on as a for a salaried lower-management position. 

    We just aren't receiving nearly as many applications as we did 2 years ago. That's a fact.
    I'd love to move out of NY but KC is not on the radar, lol.
    It's not on a lot of people's radars! LOL
    Your airport though?  Top 5 for sure.  That horseshoe or "C" shape?  Easy peasy in and out, not too many people.  Love it.

    Burbank is my all time favorite though.
    Glad you enjoyed it while it was easy. LOL

    Major redesign has turned it into a cluster.
    They screwed it up? Typical...  That was really a great airport.  RIP.
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
  • mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,483
    mfc2006 said:
    mfc2006 said:
    mfc2006 said:
    mfc2006 said:
    mfc2006 said:
    mfc2006 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Here's a thought on why people don't want to go back to work...
    https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2021/10/19/1047032996/why-are-so-many-americans-quitting-their-jobs?fbclid=IwAR3P-sK5hgBMGIuHhA6FTuRyOfmot1o-hQpbtWIQyXpivbW3Evx36jcF8E0

    I'm probably blessed in my office-work-at-home life but I'm not feeling very many effects. We order a lot of stuff and aside from the occasional random thing seemingly disappearing from grocery store shelves for weeks and a couple of businesses having reduced hours, I'm not noticing much. But then again, I'm in a bubble.

    The biggest inconvenience I've had happened yesterday. I decided to call the vet because my dog has some bald spots. I found out yesterday that just about every veterinarian is scheduling out at least four weeks. So I waited a couple hours in vet urgent care and spent an extra $50 for an appointment because I think it might be ringworm (test now pending). But you ask about "...and your surrounding area." and it looks like this is a nationwide problem due in large part to a huge increase in pet ownership during the pandemic.
    Hope you don't have to wait long for ivermectin if it is indeed a worm. (thanks Joe Rogan & Alex Jones et al) 


    RE: Traffic, more people are on the roads in the Boston area, but I think a lot of people are opting to drive to work as opposed to taking the subway since offices reopened. 

    I work in manufacturing, and there are a lot of people panic buying, which isn't helping the supply chain. We're on pace to sell as many as 4X the amount of certain items that we sold last year, the usage has been impossible to anticipate. 

    People operating like they did in 2019 (i.e. waiting until the last minute to order product expecting it to be available) are screwed.

    It's a different world than it was 2 years ago. 

    For the record, we make our product right here, we don't import. 
    We have to order materials far in advance now.  It's like 2009-2010 all over again.

    I agree with people not using public transport again.

    What are you guys making that people are gobbling up?
    We have to order way in advance. It's a damn nightmare. On top of that, we've increased our manufacturing wages 5 times to try to attract new workers & it hasn't worked yet. 
    Just out of curiosity, what are you offering?  I'm curious if it's too low of pay to entice people?

    I thought $20 for a hospitality job in AC was pretty good.  Doing fast food or a restaurant?  not so much.
    It depends on their experience/skill set in manufacturing. It's anywhere from $20-30/hr + benefits. 
    For me in my 20's that is fair.  Now? Not so much.
    $20/hr is with zero experience, and it adjusts from there. Believe me, I wish we could offer more, but it's not up to me & production isn't even my department within the company. The cost of living in the KC area is decent, but I would rather we start a bit higher. We may have to if the latest increases don't have decent results. 

    Our manufacturing lines aren't heavy-labor intensive at all, either. These are primarily entry-level positions or just above. 
    20s is a fair starting wage.
    If you still live at home or rent a room in a house, yes.
    Which is what most of our entry level employees do---they have roommates, live at home, etc.

    If someone applies with far more experience, we adjust accordingly. We did this last week, actually and brought them on as a for a salaried lower-management position. 

    We just aren't receiving nearly as many applications as we did 2 years ago. That's a fact.
    I'd love to move out of NY but KC is not on the radar, lol.
    It's not on a lot of people's radars! LOL
    Your airport though?  Top 5 for sure.  That horseshoe or "C" shape?  Easy peasy in and out, not too many people.  Love it.

    Burbank is my all time favorite though.
    Glad you enjoyed it while it was easy. LOL

    Major redesign has turned it into a cluster.
    They screwed it up? Typical...  That was really a great airport.  RIP.
    Yup, it sure was. It should be completed in the next year.
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Yes, better quality more durable items makes more sense.  You can purchase clothes that don’t need to be washed after every uses.

    people just have too much junk, people buy to much junk that clogs landfills.

    To paraphrase George Carlin “people live in bigger houses because they have to much, and then they get storage to keep more stuff.

    I buy my pants at Eddie Bauer…don’t need to washed daily and seem to never wear out…

    I would say that’s a small part of the problem.  The bigger problem is that shopping is a hobby to many Canadians or Americans.  People love to shop and spend.


    You should witness the explosion of self storage centers in the US. Its cray-cray. So cray-cray they made a tv show out of it, Storage Wars. Madness.
    I’ve witnessed them here in Canada.  There are 3 with minutes of me.  Canadians love to shop and buy junk…I’m pretty sure if shopping was an Olympic sport Canada and US would sweep the medal podium…


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  • mfc2006 said:
    mfc2006 said:
    mfc2006 said:
    mfc2006 said:

    Which is what most of our entry level employees do---they have roommates, live at home, etc.

    If someone applies with far more experience, we adjust accordingly. We did this last week, actually and brought them on as a for a salaried lower-management position. 

    We just aren't receiving nearly as many applications as we did 2 years ago. That's a fact.
    I'd love to move out of NY but KC is not on the radar, lol.
    It's not on a lot of people's radars! LOL
    Your airport though?  Top 5 for sure.  That horseshoe or "C" shape?  Easy peasy in and out, not too many people.  Love it.

    Burbank is my all time favorite though.
    Glad you enjoyed it while it was easy. LOL

    Major redesign has turned it into a cluster.
    They screwed it up? Typical...  That was really a great airport.  RIP.
    Yup, it sure was. It should be completed in the next year.
    Don't feel bad, they are redesigning/overhauling Laguardia here and will make it even more of a clusterfuk than it was before.
  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,378
    mfc2006 said:
    mfc2006 said:
    mfc2006 said:
    mfc2006 said:

    Which is what most of our entry level employees do---they have roommates, live at home, etc.

    If someone applies with far more experience, we adjust accordingly. We did this last week, actually and brought them on as a for a salaried lower-management position. 

    We just aren't receiving nearly as many applications as we did 2 years ago. That's a fact.
    I'd love to move out of NY but KC is not on the radar, lol.
    It's not on a lot of people's radars! LOL
    Your airport though?  Top 5 for sure.  That horseshoe or "C" shape?  Easy peasy in and out, not too many people.  Love it.

    Burbank is my all time favorite though.
    Glad you enjoyed it while it was easy. LOL

    Major redesign has turned it into a cluster.
    They screwed it up? Typical...  That was really a great airport.  RIP.
    Yup, it sure was. It should be completed in the next year.
    Don't feel bad, they are redesigning/overhauling Laguardia here and will make it even more of a clusterfuk than it was before.

    The last few times I had to go there I wanted to off myself.  Just too many people around, too many people flying in, too much congestion, damn construction non-stop....it is awful.



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  • Has anyone mentioned on here that since we lost 700,000 people to Covid deaths that this might be a great part of the workforce?

    I remember reading it somewhere but can't give credit for it to anyone.
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,289
    mfc2006 said:
    mfc2006 said:
    mfc2006 said:
    mfc2006 said:
    mfc2006 said:
    mfc2006 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Here's a thought on why people don't want to go back to work...
    https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2021/10/19/1047032996/why-are-so-many-americans-quitting-their-jobs?fbclid=IwAR3P-sK5hgBMGIuHhA6FTuRyOfmot1o-hQpbtWIQyXpivbW3Evx36jcF8E0

    I'm probably blessed in my office-work-at-home life but I'm not feeling very many effects. We order a lot of stuff and aside from the occasional random thing seemingly disappearing from grocery store shelves for weeks and a couple of businesses having reduced hours, I'm not noticing much. But then again, I'm in a bubble.

    The biggest inconvenience I've had happened yesterday. I decided to call the vet because my dog has some bald spots. I found out yesterday that just about every veterinarian is scheduling out at least four weeks. So I waited a couple hours in vet urgent care and spent an extra $50 for an appointment because I think it might be ringworm (test now pending). But you ask about "...and your surrounding area." and it looks like this is a nationwide problem due in large part to a huge increase in pet ownership during the pandemic.
    Hope you don't have to wait long for ivermectin if it is indeed a worm. (thanks Joe Rogan & Alex Jones et al) 


    RE: Traffic, more people are on the roads in the Boston area, but I think a lot of people are opting to drive to work as opposed to taking the subway since offices reopened. 

    I work in manufacturing, and there are a lot of people panic buying, which isn't helping the supply chain. We're on pace to sell as many as 4X the amount of certain items that we sold last year, the usage has been impossible to anticipate. 

    People operating like they did in 2019 (i.e. waiting until the last minute to order product expecting it to be available) are screwed.

    It's a different world than it was 2 years ago. 

    For the record, we make our product right here, we don't import. 
    We have to order materials far in advance now.  It's like 2009-2010 all over again.

    I agree with people not using public transport again.

    What are you guys making that people are gobbling up?
    We have to order way in advance. It's a damn nightmare. On top of that, we've increased our manufacturing wages 5 times to try to attract new workers & it hasn't worked yet. 
    Just out of curiosity, what are you offering?  I'm curious if it's too low of pay to entice people?

    I thought $20 for a hospitality job in AC was pretty good.  Doing fast food or a restaurant?  not so much.
    It depends on their experience/skill set in manufacturing. It's anywhere from $20-30/hr + benefits. 
    For me in my 20's that is fair.  Now? Not so much.
    $20/hr is with zero experience, and it adjusts from there. Believe me, I wish we could offer more, but it's not up to me & production isn't even my department within the company. The cost of living in the KC area is decent, but I would rather we start a bit higher. We may have to if the latest increases don't have decent results. 

    Our manufacturing lines aren't heavy-labor intensive at all, either. These are primarily entry-level positions or just above. 
    20s is a fair starting wage.
    If you still live at home or rent a room in a house, yes.
    Which is what most of our entry level employees do---they have roommates, live at home, etc.

    If someone applies with far more experience, we adjust accordingly. We did this last week, actually and brought them on as a for a salaried lower-management position. 

    We just aren't receiving nearly as many applications as we did 2 years ago. That's a fact.
    I'd love to move out of NY but KC is not on the radar, lol.
    It's not on a lot of people's radars! LOL
    Your airport though?  Top 5 for sure.  That horseshoe or "C" shape?  Easy peasy in and out, not too many people.  Love it.

    Burbank is my all time favorite though.
    Glad you enjoyed it while it was easy. LOL

    Major redesign has turned it into a cluster.

    Bummer!   Same thing with SFO (San Francisco International).  That used to be a wonderful airport, now it's a jammed up mess.  Though not nearly as bad, Sacramento's SMF is getting that way as well.
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  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 17,053
    mfc2006 said:
    mfc2006 said:
    mfc2006 said:
    mfc2006 said:
    mfc2006 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Here's a thought on why people don't want to go back to work...
    https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2021/10/19/1047032996/why-are-so-many-americans-quitting-their-jobs?fbclid=IwAR3P-sK5hgBMGIuHhA6FTuRyOfmot1o-hQpbtWIQyXpivbW3Evx36jcF8E0

    I'm probably blessed in my office-work-at-home life but I'm not feeling very many effects. We order a lot of stuff and aside from the occasional random thing seemingly disappearing from grocery store shelves for weeks and a couple of businesses having reduced hours, I'm not noticing much. But then again, I'm in a bubble.

    The biggest inconvenience I've had happened yesterday. I decided to call the vet because my dog has some bald spots. I found out yesterday that just about every veterinarian is scheduling out at least four weeks. So I waited a couple hours in vet urgent care and spent an extra $50 for an appointment because I think it might be ringworm (test now pending). But you ask about "...and your surrounding area." and it looks like this is a nationwide problem due in large part to a huge increase in pet ownership during the pandemic.
    Hope you don't have to wait long for ivermectin if it is indeed a worm. (thanks Joe Rogan & Alex Jones et al) 


    RE: Traffic, more people are on the roads in the Boston area, but I think a lot of people are opting to drive to work as opposed to taking the subway since offices reopened. 

    I work in manufacturing, and there are a lot of people panic buying, which isn't helping the supply chain. We're on pace to sell as many as 4X the amount of certain items that we sold last year, the usage has been impossible to anticipate. 

    People operating like they did in 2019 (i.e. waiting until the last minute to order product expecting it to be available) are screwed.

    It's a different world than it was 2 years ago. 

    For the record, we make our product right here, we don't import. 
    We have to order materials far in advance now.  It's like 2009-2010 all over again.

    I agree with people not using public transport again.

    What are you guys making that people are gobbling up?
    We have to order way in advance. It's a damn nightmare. On top of that, we've increased our manufacturing wages 5 times to try to attract new workers & it hasn't worked yet. 
    Just out of curiosity, what are you offering?  I'm curious if it's too low of pay to entice people?

    I thought $20 for a hospitality job in AC was pretty good.  Doing fast food or a restaurant?  not so much.
    It depends on their experience/skill set in manufacturing. It's anywhere from $20-30/hr + benefits. 
    For me in my 20's that is fair.  Now? Not so much.
    $20/hr is with zero experience, and it adjusts from there. Believe me, I wish we could offer more, but it's not up to me & production isn't even my department within the company. The cost of living in the KC area is decent, but I would rather we start a bit higher. We may have to if the latest increases don't have decent results. 

    Our manufacturing lines aren't heavy-labor intensive at all, either. These are primarily entry-level positions or just above. 
    20s is a fair starting wage.
    If you still live at home or rent a room in a house, yes.
    Which is what most of our entry level employees do---they have roommates, live at home, etc.

    If someone applies with far more experience, we adjust accordingly. We did this last week, actually and brought them on as a for a salaried lower-management position. 

    We just aren't receiving nearly as many applications as we did 2 years ago. That's a fact.
    I'd love to move out of NY but KC is not on the radar, lol.
    It's not on a lot of people's radars! LOL


    Burbank is my all time favorite though.
    Only downside to Burbank is the long walk to car rental area, otherwise its a gem.
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  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 17,053
    Has anyone mentioned on here that since we lost 700,000 people to Covid deaths that this might be a great part of the workforce?

    I remember reading it somewhere but can't give credit for it to anyone.
    Considering over 540,000 of those deceased were 65 and over I don't think its a big factor.
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  • Poncier said:
    Has anyone mentioned on here that since we lost 700,000 people to Covid deaths that this might be a great part of the workforce?

    I remember reading it somewhere but can't give credit for it to anyone.
    Considering over 540,000 of those deceased were 65 and over I don't think its a big factor.
    It was a talking point but I guess that is now moot.

    It was a thought to be added to the discussion and now has a pretty good defining moment that the deceased is not the workforce problem...
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  • RunIntoTheRainRunIntoTheRain Texas Posts: 1,024
    edited October 2021
    Poncier said:
    Has anyone mentioned on here that since we lost 700,000 people to Covid deaths that this might be a great part of the workforce?

    I remember reading it somewhere but can't give credit for it to anyone.
    Considering over 540,000 of those deceased were 65 and over I don't think its a big factor.
    It was a talking point but I guess that is now moot.

    It was a thought to be added to the discussion and now has a pretty good defining moment that the deceased is not the workforce problem...
    I've wondered how many of the deceased elders were the babysitters for their grandkids so the parents could go to work. Now, one parent stays home instead of working and paying for daycare.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,987
    edited October 2021
    I swung by IKEA last week to grab something, and I noticed that they were out of a bunch of standard items, so I asked them about it. They said that their shipments from overseas are all totally delayed, and a lot of it is most likely sitting in a ship or train waiting for a massive backlog at the port to clear up. Meanwhile, shit just keeps piling up.
    I also went to a White Spot and they were out of onion rings (gasp!). They said that they just hadn't received the shipment for ages. Bummer - I really wanted those onion rings man. No gas shortages or anything like that here... just expensive gas, with a recent price spike, which isn't unusual at all. The only thing that changes there is their excuses for why the price is spiking.
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739

    $24 billion in goods is floating outside California's biggest ports



    We are also moving in Christmas better known as get your credit card out and spend spend and spend.  

    So prices will rise even more…


    Give Peas A Chance…
  • $24 billion in goods is floating outside California's biggest ports



    We are also moving in Christmas better known as get your credit card out and spend spend and spend.  

    So prices will rise even more…


    Yep.  Al   I hear about is "expect rising prices".

    Don't buy anything and it will be cheaper, I guarantee it.
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,289

    $24 billion in goods is floating outside California's biggest ports

    ARRRRR!  Who's with me?
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  • brianlux said:

    $24 billion in goods is floating outside California's biggest ports

    ARRRRR!  Who's with me?
    Pirates of the Caribbean At World39s End  Funny - TV Tropes


    Send the Somalian Pirates over, it'll be fixed in 1 hr.
  • jerparker20jerparker20 St. Paul, MN Posts: 2,511
    I’ve worked in and around workforce/labor for a while, few observations/comments on the labor shortage and contributors:

    1. with the increase in wages and available hours, especially in service, hospitality and retail, people who were working 2-3 part-time jobs to make ends meet, are now only having to work one. 

    2. A lot of people retired, or retired early.

    3. According to an article last week in either WSJ or Forbes (can’t remember which) over 600,000 filings for new business were submitted across the country over the past year. Basically, a number of people decide to start their own business or become consultants.

    4. Excessive death rates. COVID permanently removed a few hundred thousand people of working age from the labor pool. Add on the continued increases of “deaths of despair/dying of whiteness/preventable deaths” (ODs, suicide, alcohol, etc…). 

    Also, I was not aware that jobs in the cannabis industry are not counted in government labor reports. Not that it’s a large segment of the labor market, but I’m guessing it employs a share people who are not being counted in the numbers.
  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    I’ve worked in and around workforce/labor for a while, few observations/comments on the labor shortage and contributors:

    1. with the increase in wages and available hours, especially in service, hospitality and retail, people who were working 2-3 part-time jobs to make ends meet, are now only having to work one. 

    2. A lot of people retired, or retired early.

    3. According to an article last week in either WSJ or Forbes (can’t remember which) over 600,000 filings for new business were submitted across the country over the past year. Basically, a number of people decide to start their own business or become consultants.

    4. Excessive death rates. COVID permanently removed a few hundred thousand people of working age from the labor pool. Add on the continued increases of “deaths of despair/dying of whiteness/preventable deaths” (ODs, suicide, alcohol, etc…). 

    Also, I was not aware that jobs in the cannabis industry are not counted in government labor reports. Not that it’s a large segment of the labor market, but I’m guessing it employs a share people who are not being counted in the numbers.
    lol what is dying of whiteness?
    Scio me nihil scire

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  • I’ve worked in and around workforce/labor for a while, few observations/comments on the labor shortage and contributors:

    1. with the increase in wages and available hours, especially in service, hospitality and retail, people who were working 2-3 part-time jobs to make ends meet, are now only having to work one. 

    2. A lot of people retired, or retired early.

    3. According to an article last week in either WSJ or Forbes (can’t remember which) over 600,000 filings for new business were submitted across the country over the past year. Basically, a number of people decide to start their own business or become consultants.

    4. Excessive death rates. COVID permanently removed a few hundred thousand people of working age from the labor pool. Add on the continued increases of “deaths of despair/dying of whiteness/preventable deaths” (ODs, suicide, alcohol, etc…). 

    Also, I was not aware that jobs in the cannabis industry are not counted in government labor reports. Not that it’s a large segment of the labor market, but I’m guessing it employs a share people who are not being counted in the numbers.
    Someone mentioned that most Covid deaths are of older and not the "working class".

    Everything else I can agree with.
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    static111 said:
    I’ve worked in and around workforce/labor for a while, few observations/comments on the labor shortage and contributors:

    1. with the increase in wages and available hours, especially in service, hospitality and retail, people who were working 2-3 part-time jobs to make ends meet, are now only having to work one. 

    2. A lot of people retired, or retired early.

    3. According to an article last week in either WSJ or Forbes (can’t remember which) over 600,000 filings for new business were submitted across the country over the past year. Basically, a number of people decide to start their own business or become consultants.

    4. Excessive death rates. COVID permanently removed a few hundred thousand people of working age from the labor pool. Add on the continued increases of “deaths of despair/dying of whiteness/preventable deaths” (ODs, suicide, alcohol, etc…). 

    Also, I was not aware that jobs in the cannabis industry are not counted in government labor reports. Not that it’s a large segment of the labor market, but I’m guessing it employs a share people who are not being counted in the numbers.
    lol what is dying of whiteness?
    Lol.  Well if dying of whiteness is a thing, there goes white privilege.  
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  • RunIntoTheRainRunIntoTheRain Texas Posts: 1,024

    Someone mentioned that most Covid deaths are of older and not the "working class".

    Everything else I can agree with.


    These are the demographics of Texas Covid deaths. The total deaths of 20-69 year olds is 30,826. 46% of the deaths. So, while a lot of older, likely non-working people have died, a significant portion of those that worked died. Apply that % to Worldometers USA deaths as of yesterday and that's 348,610 people no longer alive to work.

    To me, there are many reasons for the worker shortage. Deaths being one of them.
  • dankinddankind Posts: 20,839
    Always go with actual data vs. "someone mentioned...."
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,578
    static111 said:
    I’ve worked in and around workforce/labor for a while, few observations/comments on the labor shortage and contributors:

    1. with the increase in wages and available hours, especially in service, hospitality and retail, people who were working 2-3 part-time jobs to make ends meet, are now only having to work one. 

    2. A lot of people retired, or retired early.

    3. According to an article last week in either WSJ or Forbes (can’t remember which) over 600,000 filings for new business were submitted across the country over the past year. Basically, a number of people decide to start their own business or become consultants.

    4. Excessive death rates. COVID permanently removed a few hundred thousand people of working age from the labor pool. Add on the continued increases of “deaths of despair/dying of whiteness/preventable deaths” (ODs, suicide, alcohol, etc…). 

    Also, I was not aware that jobs in the cannabis industry are not counted in government labor reports. Not that it’s a large segment of the labor market, but I’m guessing it employs a share people who are not being counted in the numbers.
    lol what is dying of whiteness?
    https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/dying-whiteness-jonathan-metzl-podcast-transcript-ncna987671


    "So, back in 2015, two Princeton professors, Anne Case and Angus Deaton, wrote a study of midlife mortality for white people, particularly white people without a college degree, and they found it was going way up. In fact, it had been better than African-Americans, and was now 30 percent worse in some cases. Again, what was driving this, what they call deaths of despair, alcohol-induced death, suicide, and particularly opioid overdoses. Something is happening in America, and particularly among white America, that is driving the effect we are seeing of lower life expectancy. And it is a genuine social mystery."
  • dankind said:
    Always go with actual data vs. "someone mentioned...."
    The data is right though...
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/
  • https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/covid19/mortality-overview.htm
    75% of deaths were 65 and older according to the CDC.  
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