I find myself wondering, "What can I do?". As it has been stated before, the majority of Americans are in favor of stronger firearm restrictions/regulations.
Lobbyists, kooks, zealots, and panderers seem to be calling the shots nowadays. Dems usually bring a knife to the gunfight (pun intended), and get steamrolled. Unfortunately, the streamrolling seems to get worse without even minimal opposition.
The system appears to be broken. For the people? Of the people? By the people?
When you figure the answer out please share because I’ve been asking myself how we’re going to stop this. Spot on about dems.
Who knows why these polls come out with these results, but when trump shatters gop voting records and gets 75 million votes after pollsters assured us Biden would win in a land slide or at worst a clear comfortable victory, this proved polls are more unreliable, four years after they assured us we’d have a woman president.
Many of these loyal gop voters are one issue voters (pro guns and/or abortion ban). Don't trust the polls, trust their votes. This is what they want, and there are millions of them not being polled accurately. Look at how many states and counties the Dems are not even competitive before assuming these opinion polls have any accuracy.
what would be considered a landslide? he won by 7M votes.
Cmon, y’all know pop vote is meaningless and Biden won by about 40k votes in three states. Certainly much closer than the polling indicated, especially polling in these specific states
270 electoral college votes are needed to win, Biden got 306 to Trump's 232.
Nobody's really wrong here. Yeah, he won pretty handily through the EC and, like all Dems, took the popular vote. But in this outrageously bizarre electoral system, electoral votes can swing quickly. Just a few thousand votes in a just a few states can change everything.
Of course, in pointing out the states he barely won, one would be remiss not to acknowledge the states he barely lost.
All that said, the popular vote pretty much does mean nothing.
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I find myself wondering, "What can I do?". As it has been stated before, the majority of Americans are in favor of stronger firearm restrictions/regulations.
Lobbyists, kooks, zealots, and panderers seem to be calling the shots nowadays. Dems usually bring a knife to the gunfight (pun intended), and get steamrolled. Unfortunately, the streamrolling seems to get worse without even minimal opposition.
The system appears to be broken. For the people? Of the people? By the people?
When you figure the answer out please share because I’ve been asking myself how we’re going to stop this. Spot on about dems.
Who knows why these polls come out with these results, but when trump shatters gop voting records and gets 75 million votes after pollsters assured us Biden would win in a land slide or at worst a clear comfortable victory, this proved polls are more unreliable, four years after they assured us we’d have a woman president.
Many of these loyal gop voters are one issue voters (pro guns and/or abortion ban). Don't trust the polls, trust their votes. This is what they want, and there are millions of them not being polled accurately. Look at how many states and counties the Dems are not even competitive before assuming these opinion polls have any accuracy.
what would be considered a landslide? he won by 7M votes.
Cmon, y’all know pop vote is meaningless and Biden won by about 40k votes in three states. Certainly much closer than the polling indicated, especially polling in these specific states
270 electoral college votes are needed to win, Biden got 306 to Trump's 232.
Nobody's really wrong here. Yeah, he won pretty handily through the EC and, like all Dems, took the popular vote. But in this outrageously bizarre electoral system, electoral votes can swing quickly. Just a few thousand votes in a just a few states can change everything.
Of course, in pointing out the states he barely won, one would be remiss not to acknowledge the states he barely lost.
All that said, the popular vote pretty much does mean nothing.
in theory and in past/current practice a states popular vote determines where the EC votes go.
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My rural Kentucky county is awash in guns. Where does that leave me?
I should be armed when I jog, my neighbors tell me. A gun is their one-size-fits-all solution to everything.
I wake up thinking about guns.
I do not think about guns solely because 19 children and two teachers were shot to death in Uvalde, Tex., on May 24, or because a gunman opened fire from a rooftop on a Fourth of July parade in Highland Park, Ill., killing seven paradegoers and wounding many more.
I think about guns because, after three decades of political paralysis, Congress passed a law that requires more comprehensive background checks for young gun buyers, helps states pay for red flag laws, which allow judges to approve the removal of guns from people who may be in danger of using them on themselves or others, and bars more domestic violence offenders from buying firearms, closing the so-called “boyfriend loophole,” and I fear it will not be enough to stop the next mass shooter.
I think about guns, because our country is addicted to guns.
I live in rural Kentucky, in a county with a population of 23,000 people, and I have been told half a dozen times lately that I should be carrying a gun when I jog at the local park. What kind of gun? I wonder, as I lie there in the soft, predawn dark. What size gun? How often would I need to practice to remember how to use it? Where, in my spandex running clothes, would I carry a gun? I tripped on a tree root back in December and fell flat on my face. Would the gun go off if I fell? What if I shot myself? What if I shot someone else? Could I shoot someone?
I think about guns because guns are what I talked about most for the last several months as I ran in our local Republican primary for county magistrate. Not gas prices. Not the “stolen” election. Not caravans at the southern border. Not abortion. Not the mundane, budget-related duties of the seat I was running for. I talked about guns.
I am a Democrat who ran for local office as a Republican because in Anderson County, Kentucky, right down the road from the state capitol, Democrats no longer have a prayer of winning a partisan election, even if it is to serve in a nonpartisan job. This is die-hard Trump country now. Donald Trump won the county in both 2016 and 2020 with more than 70 percent of the vote. I figured that running on the Republican ticket, talking neighbor to neighbor with Republicans in a sensible manner about issues like guns would give me a fair shot.
I was wrong. I not only lost, I lost spectacularly. No matter how I tried, I could not convince voters that I was not going to show up at their door one day with a checklist, authorized by either our Democratic governor, Andy Beshear, or Democratic president, Joe Biden, and seize their guns. And when I was honest in telling them I believe AR-15-style guns are weapons of war and should be banned altogether? Voters laughed.
The term “gun culture” gets tossed around. But what does it mean to live in a place rooted in Trumpian (angry, unabashed, aggrieved, armed-to-the-teeth) 2022 gun culture?
I think about guns because, two days before our May 17 primary, a friend removed my campaign signs from his yard. Around 9:30 that morning, while I was driving to Sunday school and church, he had heard the pop-pop of gunshots as men in trucks drove by, randomly yelling my name and Hillary Clinton’s and cursing about liberals.
I think about guns because, in mid-April, it was rumored that a local machine parts shop had a doormat in the store with the face of a longtime female magistrate on it. It read “Wipe Your Feet Here.” I wanted to see this doormat for myself and ask some questions: Did they have a supply? Was it for sale? Who created it? The first two friends I told begged me not to go. Did I know the owner carries a gun? If I went, they each cautioned independently, would I take a law enforcement officer with me. I thought this sounded ridiculous. “Just have the officer wait for you in the parking lot!” one insisted. When I arrived at the shop, without the police, I pulled in behind a grayish gold truck with a “Let’s Go Brandon” sticker on the back window, and sat there thinking, “I don’t belong here. What am I doing?” I left.
I think about guns because, later the same day, I made myself go back to the shop. The owner was not there, so I asked the woman behind the counter my questions. She was angry. She went in the back to get a man. What man? Would he be armed and angry? I left as fast as I could.
People here openly carry their guns. Whether I am stopping by Kroger to pick up ice cream, grabbing a coffee on Main Street or stocking up on household supplies at Walmart, I am constantly aware that there are people around me carrying guns.
Who are the good guys with guns? Who are the bad guys with guns? How do you know?
I think about guns because, in the March 23 issue of the Anderson News, our weekly newspaper, there was a front-page story about a Republican state senator, Adrienne Southworth, who lives in my town, headlined, “Southworth bill would alter guns in school law.” Southworth’s bill proposed that citizens be allowed to carry guns in school buildings when students are not present.
I think about guns because I believe the Southworth bill was in response to the man who came to our school board meeting a few months earlier wearing a gun on his person. I was the citizen who pointed out the gun to the superintendent, after which the man was led outside to put his gun in his vehicle before returning to speak during the public comments section of the meeting.
I think about guns because the editor of our weekly newspaper regularly voices his full-throated support for guns. On June 14, he wrote, “Even in a nation so thoroughly divided by the 2nd Amendment, it’s nearly impossible to find anyone who doesn’t think schools need to be protected by trained professionals with guns and hardened as well as possible against intruders.” Nearly impossible? Really?
I think about guns because, in the previous week’s newspaper, the same editor wrote that when we reelected our county attorney “in last month’s primary, there isn’t a question that his pro-gun campaign messaging had something to do with it.” The county attorney won his primary handily. He will face no Democratic opposition in the general election.
Gun culture in the United States is like kudzu, often called “the invasive vine that ate the South” because of the way it systematically, over time, suffocated and destroyed native grasses, trees and plants until they became extinct. We can no longer go to school, parades, shopping malls, restaurants, concerts, night clubs, the grocery store, without wondering whether this is where we will get shot.
Guns culture is destroying our lives. And the solution most often proposed? More guns.
I have been waking up thinking about guns because, suddenly, there is a suspicious man hanging around the park trail where I jog. One day he drove up to talk to me. I thought he was trying to sell me drugs. A few days later, he tried to get a woman to go home with him. One morning I was running my last lap and spotted the man in a dark corner of the park, under some trees, as if he was lying in wait for me. I called law enforcement. As I stood next to the police car giving a description, I wondered, Would I feel safer here with a gun?
I think about guns, because thinking about guns in 2022 America is part of our all-day, everyday lives. When I warned a woman who often walks her dogs at the park about the suspicious man, she said as casually as if she were offering me a mint, “Oh, I’ll start carrying my gun. Do you have a gun?”
So this is a funny story I heard over Fourth of July weekend. It’s like something out of The Simpsonsor something.
Some neighbors that we’re close with in Vermont—they keep poultry, pigs, and crops on a few sections of my wife’s family’s farm there—were talking about what a great shot one of them is. So much so that he uses his rifle (and one time a .380 pistol) to shoot down branches when they get a ball or frisbee or whathaveyou stuck in a tree. This was told like it’s a completely normal thing to do. It’s never taken him more than one shot, a matter of great pride, but I couldn’t help but laugh at how absurdly stereotypical it was.
I grew up on a farm as well, and while one of the older kids on our farm was a bit of a knucklehead and a showoff with the guns we had, I still don’t think he would’ve used it to get something out of a tree, but I could be wrong.
Anyway, no violence involved really, except against the tree branches, but just a little peek into that culture in one of the most liberal states in the nation.
yeah, but those 3 states aren't the whole story. you are cherry picking data to make a point. he won handily in the other battleground states that he won.
If he loses those three states, he loses the election. It’s not cherry picking, it’s fact. The other 47 states have no impact on that.
I find myself wondering, "What can I do?". As it has been stated before, the majority of Americans are in favor of stronger firearm restrictions/regulations.
Lobbyists, kooks, zealots, and panderers seem to be calling the shots nowadays. Dems usually bring a knife to the gunfight (pun intended), and get steamrolled. Unfortunately, the streamrolling seems to get worse without even minimal opposition.
The system appears to be broken. For the people? Of the people? By the people?
When you figure the answer out please share because I’ve been asking myself how we’re going to stop this. Spot on about dems.
Who knows why these polls come out with these results, but when trump shatters gop voting records and gets 75 million votes after pollsters assured us Biden would win in a land slide or at worst a clear comfortable victory, this proved polls are more unreliable, four years after they assured us we’d have a woman president.
Many of these loyal gop voters are one issue voters (pro guns and/or abortion ban). Don't trust the polls, trust their votes. This is what they want, and there are millions of them not being polled accurately. Look at how many states and counties the Dems are not even competitive before assuming these opinion polls have any accuracy.
what would be considered a landslide? he won by 7M votes.
Cmon, y’all know pop vote is meaningless and Biden won by about 40k votes in three states. Certainly much closer than the polling indicated, especially polling in these specific states
270 electoral college votes are needed to win, Biden got 306 to Trump's 232.
When trump won in 2016 with 306 electoral votes and called it a landslide, was he right?
I find myself wondering, "What can I do?". As it has been stated before, the majority of Americans are in favor of stronger firearm restrictions/regulations.
Lobbyists, kooks, zealots, and panderers seem to be calling the shots nowadays. Dems usually bring a knife to the gunfight (pun intended), and get steamrolled. Unfortunately, the streamrolling seems to get worse without even minimal opposition.
The system appears to be broken. For the people? Of the people? By the people?
When you figure the answer out please share because I’ve been asking myself how we’re going to stop this. Spot on about dems.
Who knows why these polls come out with these results, but when trump shatters gop voting records and gets 75 million votes after pollsters assured us Biden would win in a land slide or at worst a clear comfortable victory, this proved polls are more unreliable, four years after they assured us we’d have a woman president.
Many of these loyal gop voters are one issue voters (pro guns and/or abortion ban). Don't trust the polls, trust their votes. This is what they want, and there are millions of them not being polled accurately. Look at how many states and counties the Dems are not even competitive before assuming these opinion polls have any accuracy.
what would be considered a landslide? he won by 7M votes.
Cmon, y’all know pop vote is meaningless and Biden won by about 40k votes in three states. Certainly much closer than the polling indicated, especially polling in these specific states
270 electoral college votes are needed to win, Biden got 306 to Trump's 232.
When trump won in 2016 with 306 electoral votes and called it a landslide, was he right?
So this is a funny story I heard over Fourth of July weekend. It’s like something out of The Simpsonsor something.
Some neighbors that we’re close with in Vermont—they keep poultry, pigs, and crops on a few sections of my wife’s family’s farm there—were talking about what a great shot one of them is. So much so that he uses his rifle (and one time a .380 pistol) to shoot down branches when they get a ball or frisbee or whathaveyou stuck in a tree. This was told like it’s a completely normal thing to do. It’s never taken him more than one shot, a matter of great pride, but I couldn’t help but laugh at how absurdly stereotypical it was.
I grew up on a farm as well, and while one of the older kids on our farm was a bit of a knucklehead and a showoff with the guns we had, I still don’t think he would’ve used it to get something out of a tree, but I could be wrong.
Anyway, no violence involved really, except against the tree branches, but just a little peek into that culture in one of the most liberal states in the nation.
that does remind me of that simpsons episode where homer got a gun. lol
So this is a funny story I heard over Fourth of July weekend. It’s like something out of The Simpsonsor something.
Some neighbors that we’re close with in Vermont—they keep poultry, pigs, and crops on a few sections of my wife’s family’s farm there—were talking about what a great shot one of them is. So much so that he uses his rifle (and one time a .380 pistol) to shoot down branches when they get a ball or frisbee or whathaveyou stuck in a tree. This was told like it’s a completely normal thing to do. It’s never taken him more than one shot, a matter of great pride, but I couldn’t help but laugh at how absurdly stereotypical it was.
I grew up on a farm as well, and while one of the older kids on our farm was a bit of a knucklehead and a showoff with the guns we had, I still don’t think he would’ve used it to get something out of a tree, but I could be wrong.
Anyway, no violence involved really, except against the tree branches, but just a little peek into that culture in one of the most liberal states in the nation.
that does remind me of that simpsons episode where homer got a gun. lol
isn't that illegal?
I have heard of using a shotgun to shoot down Mistletoe which is harmless but never a bullet in the air like that. If you miss the bullet could, not all the time but could go out into who knows where.
So this is a funny story I heard over Fourth of July weekend. It’s like something out of The Simpsonsor something.
Some neighbors that we’re close with in Vermont—they keep poultry, pigs, and crops on a few sections of my wife’s family’s farm there—were talking about what a great shot one of them is. So much so that he uses his rifle (and one time a .380 pistol) to shoot down branches when they get a ball or frisbee or whathaveyou stuck in a tree. This was told like it’s a completely normal thing to do. It’s never taken him more than one shot, a matter of great pride, but I couldn’t help but laugh at how absurdly stereotypical it was.
I grew up on a farm as well, and while one of the older kids on our farm was a bit of a knucklehead and a showoff with the guns we had, I still don’t think he would’ve used it to get something out of a tree, but I could be wrong.
Anyway, no violence involved really, except against the tree branches, but just a little peek into that culture in one of the most liberal states in the nation.
that does remind me of that simpsons episode where homer got a gun. lol
isn't that illegal?
I have heard of using a shotgun to shoot down Mistletoe which is harmless but never a bullet in the air like that. If you miss the bullet could, not all the time but could go out into who knows where.
Because nothing rings in the true spirit of Christmas, which has been canceled, by the way, than kissing under a bunch o blasted mistletoes.
Uvalde's new anguish: Video shows police waiting in school
By ACACIA CORONADO and PAUL J. WEBER
Yesterday
UVALDE, Texas (AP) — A new wave of anger swept through Uvalde on Tuesday over surveillance footage of police officers in body armor milling in the hallway of Robb Elementary School while a gunman carried out a massacre inside a fourth-grade classroom where 19 children and two teachers were killed.
The video published Tuesday by the Austin American-Statesman is a disturbing 80-minute recording of what has been known for weeks now about one of the deadliest school shootings in U.S. history: that heavily armed police officers, some armed with rifles and bulletproof shields, massed in the hallway and waited more than an hour before going inside and stopping the May 24 slayings.
But the footage, which until now had not surfaced publicly, anguished Uvalde residents anew and redoubled calls in the small South Texas city for accountability and explanations that have been incomplete — and sometimes inaccurate — in the seven weeks since the shooting. Hours after the video was published, some residents at a Uvalde City Council meeting said they had not been able to bring themselves to watch it.
Jesus Rizo said officers who are paid taxpayer dollars to protect people should not have “sat there” when children were in danger.
“You could've saved some lives. You could have held somebody's hand as they were dying,” he said. “The parents could have seen them one last time as they were dying.”
Others demanded consequences for police and more information in an investigation marked by confusing statements that have had to be retracted at times.
“Give these families some closure," said Daniel Myers, a pastor in Uvalde and family friend to one of the victims.
An investigative committee led by Texas lawmakers had earlier announced plans to show the video to Uvalde residents for the first time Sunday, in addition to sharing their findings after weeks of closed-door testimony from more than 40 witnesses.
"This has been the most unprofessional investigation or handling of it that I’ve ever seen in my life," Uvalde Mayor Don McLaughlin said in an interview with The Associated Press. “These families get blindsided constantly."
The footage from a hallway camera inside the school shows the gunman entering the building with an AR-15 style rifle and includes 911 tape of a teacher screaming, “Get down! Get in your rooms! Get in your rooms!”
Two officers approach the classrooms minutes after the gunman enters, then run back amid the sounds of gunfire.
As the gunman first approaches the classrooms a child whose image is blurred can be seen poking their head around a corner down the hallway and then running back while shots ring out. Later, about 20 minutes before police breach the room, the video shows a man wearing a vest that says “sheriff” use a hand sanitizer dispenser mounted on the wall.
Throughout the video, the screams of children are redacted.
Officials said the 77 minutes of footage they are preparing to release this weekend does not contain images of children in the classroom. Rep. Dustin Burrows, a Republican who is leading the investigation, said after the video was posted by the Statesman that "watching the entire segment of law enforcement’s response, or lack thereof, is also important.”
But the video alone does not answer all the questions that remain — nearly two months later — about the law enforcement response. Among them are how schools police Chief Pete Arredondo came to the forefront of the massive law enforcement response involving numerous local, state and federal agencies.
State authorities have cast Arredondo as the on-scene commander and said his errors delayed police killing the gunman. Arredondo, however, has told the Texas Tribune he didn’t consider himself to be in charge of operations and that he assumed someone else had taken control of the law enforcement response. He did not have a police radio at the time.
The roles of the ranking on-scene officers from other agencies, including the Texas Department of Public Safety, remain unclear. McLaughlin has accused DPS of minimizing its involvement in the response and releasing inaccurate timelines.
Last week, a critique of the police response written by tactical experts and requested by DPS alleged that a Uvalde police officer had a chance to open fire on the gunman before he entered the school. McLaughlin has said that account was inaccurate.
“All they keep doing is piling missed facts on missed facts, and throwing it out there and see what sticks,” McLaughlin said.
In a statement, DPS Director Steve McCraw said the video provides “horrifying evidence" that the law enforcement response was a failure.
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Weber reported from Austin, Texas. Associated Press writers Jake Bleiberg in Dallas and Robert Jablon in Los Angeles contributed to this report.
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I couldn't imagine being an adult hearing children getting shot and retreating like cowards. let alone as a well armed police officer. utterly disgusting. i can't imagine the anger i would have if i was a parent of those children
I couldn't imagine being an adult hearing children getting shot and retreating like cowards. let alone as a well armed police officer. utterly disgusting. i can't imagine the anger i would have if i was a parent of those children
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another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
It really does show us a huge problem with a state of policing in this country right now. They are not really entering the job because they want to protect and serve. They seem to like the power and flexing that power in ways that are not particularly challenging or courageous. I don’t think it is an issue of bad people as much as it is an issue of bad culture. And right now that culture seems to be love of power and no interest in actually helping people. Not even children.
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It really does show us a huge problem with a state of policing in this country right now. They are not really entering the job because they want to protect and serve. They seem to like the power and flexing that power in ways that are not particularly challenging or courageous. I don’t think it is an issue of bad people as much as it is an issue of bad culture. And right now that culture seems to be love of power and no interest in actually helping people. Not even children.
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
It really does show us a huge problem with a state of policing in this country right now. They are not really entering the job because they want to protect and serve. They seem to like the power and flexing that power in ways that are not particularly challenging or courageous. I don’t think it is an issue of bad people as much as it is an issue of bad culture. And right now that culture seems to be love of power and no interest in actually helping people. Not even children.
bad culture built by bad people.....
There are definitely bad people. But I think it's a bigger/different problem...and removing "bad people" can't solve it.
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It really does show us a huge problem with a state of policing in this country right now. They are not really entering the job because they want to protect and serve. They seem to like the power and flexing that power in ways that are not particularly challenging or courageous. I don’t think it is an issue of bad people as much as it is an issue of bad culture. And right now that culture seems to be love of power and no interest in actually helping people. Not even children.
bad culture built by bad people.....
There are definitely bad people. But I think it's a bigger/different problem...and removing "bad people" can't solve it.
I'm not sure what the protocol is for going after a person in a room w a semiautomatic rifle but with hostages present kids at that, I'd think you'd do more than hang back and wait for reinforcements?
This is all hindsight now but man, It just doesn't look good.
I'm not sure what the protocol is for going after a person in a room w a semiautomatic rifle but with hostages present kids at that, I'd think you'd do more than hang back and wait for reinforcements?
This is all hindsight now but man, It just doesn't look good.
I'm not sure what the protocol is for going after a person in a room w a semiautomatic rifle but with hostages present kids at that, I'd think you'd do more than hang back and wait for reinforcements?
This is all hindsight now but man, It just doesn't look good.
It isn't a good look at all. Just a horrible situation all together. Too bad the car wreck didn't incapacitate the fucker.
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I'm not sure what the protocol is for going after a person in a room w a semiautomatic rifle but with hostages present kids at that, I'd think you'd do more than hang back and wait for reinforcements?
This is all hindsight now but man, It just doesn't look good.
I'm not sure what the protocol is for going after a person in a room w a semiautomatic rifle but with hostages present kids at that, I'd think you'd do more than hang back and wait for reinforcements?
This is all hindsight now but man, It just doesn't look good.
Not sworn to protect and to serve? That is the main reason, I thought, was their job. Protect...
They have to protect society not individuals I believe is the gist of their oath. SC ruling basically states that they have discretion when it comes to individuals. So even though this was a school, i guess it could be argued that they protected "society" by isolating the shooter and keeping him from wreaking grater havoc on society as a whole. LE is a joke these days. So is the "justice" system
I'm not sure what the protocol is for going after a person in a room w a semiautomatic rifle but with hostages present kids at that, I'd think you'd do more than hang back and wait for reinforcements?
This is all hindsight now but man, It just doesn't look good.
Not sworn to protect and to serve? That is the main reason, I thought, was their job. Protect...
They have to protect society not individuals I believe is the gist of their oath. SC ruling basically states that they have discretion when it comes to individuals. So even though this was a school, i guess it could be argued that they protected "society" by isolating the shooter and keeping him from wreaking grater havoc on society as a whole. LE is a joke these days. So is the "justice" system
When I worked in Alaska in the Bering, Gulf, Straits, if anyone radioed for help you hightailed it over there and helped. We trained for that.
In the construction world it's the same thing, you help anyone in a situation.
I understand that someone isn't shooting at us but man...
It really does show us a huge problem with a state of policing in this country right now. They are not really entering the job because they want to protect and serve. They seem to like the power and flexing that power in ways that are not particularly challenging or courageous. I don’t think it is an issue of bad people as much as it is an issue of bad culture. And right now that culture seems to be love of power and no interest in actually helping people. Not even children.
bad culture built by bad people.....
There are definitely bad people. But I think it's a bigger/different problem...and removing "bad people" can't solve it.
What's the solution?
I have no idea. I wish I did.
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Another “responsible” gun owner. Sheriff misspoke though. I think what he should have said was, “that those gun owners who don’t secure their firearms are one stupid incident away from spending ten years in prison.”
Or, “too bad there were so many doors and if only the 8 year old could have defended themselves with a gun.”
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Of course, in pointing out the states he barely won, one would be remiss not to acknowledge the states he barely lost.
All that said, the popular vote pretty much does mean nothing.
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in theory and in past/current practice a states popular vote determines where the EC votes go.
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My rural Kentucky county is awash in guns. Where does that leave me?
I should be armed when I jog, my neighbors tell me. A gun is their one-size-fits-all solution to everything.
I wake up thinking about guns.
I do not think about guns solely because 19 children and two teachers were shot to death in Uvalde, Tex., on May 24, or because a gunman opened fire from a rooftop on a Fourth of July parade in Highland Park, Ill., killing seven paradegoers and wounding many more.
I think about guns because, after three decades of political paralysis, Congress passed a law that requires more comprehensive background checks for young gun buyers, helps states pay for red flag laws, which allow judges to approve the removal of guns from people who may be in danger of using them on themselves or others, and bars more domestic violence offenders from buying firearms, closing the so-called “boyfriend loophole,” and I fear it will not be enough to stop the next mass shooter.
I think about guns, because our country is addicted to guns.
I live in rural Kentucky, in a county with a population of 23,000 people, and I have been told half a dozen times lately that I should be carrying a gun when I jog at the local park. What kind of gun? I wonder, as I lie there in the soft, predawn dark. What size gun? How often would I need to practice to remember how to use it? Where, in my spandex running clothes, would I carry a gun? I tripped on a tree root back in December and fell flat on my face. Would the gun go off if I fell? What if I shot myself? What if I shot someone else? Could I shoot someone?
I think about guns because guns are what I talked about most for the last several months as I ran in our local Republican primary for county magistrate. Not gas prices. Not the “stolen” election. Not caravans at the southern border. Not abortion. Not the mundane, budget-related duties of the seat I was running for. I talked about guns.
I am a Democrat who ran for local office as a Republican because in Anderson County, Kentucky, right down the road from the state capitol, Democrats no longer have a prayer of winning a partisan election, even if it is to serve in a nonpartisan job. This is die-hard Trump country now. Donald Trump won the county in both 2016 and 2020 with more than 70 percent of the vote. I figured that running on the Republican ticket, talking neighbor to neighbor with Republicans in a sensible manner about issues like guns would give me a fair shot.
I was wrong. I not only lost, I lost spectacularly. No matter how I tried, I could not convince voters that I was not going to show up at their door one day with a checklist, authorized by either our Democratic governor, Andy Beshear, or Democratic president, Joe Biden, and seize their guns. And when I was honest in telling them I believe AR-15-style guns are weapons of war and should be banned altogether? Voters laughed.
The term “gun culture” gets tossed around. But what does it mean to live in a place rooted in Trumpian (angry, unabashed, aggrieved, armed-to-the-teeth) 2022 gun culture?
I think about guns because, two days before our May 17 primary, a friend removed my campaign signs from his yard. Around 9:30 that morning, while I was driving to Sunday school and church, he had heard the pop-pop of gunshots as men in trucks drove by, randomly yelling my name and Hillary Clinton’s and cursing about liberals.
I think about guns because, in mid-April, it was rumored that a local machine parts shop had a doormat in the store with the face of a longtime female magistrate on it. It read “Wipe Your Feet Here.” I wanted to see this doormat for myself and ask some questions: Did they have a supply? Was it for sale? Who created it? The first two friends I told begged me not to go. Did I know the owner carries a gun? If I went, they each cautioned independently, would I take a law enforcement officer with me. I thought this sounded ridiculous. “Just have the officer wait for you in the parking lot!” one insisted. When I arrived at the shop, without the police, I pulled in behind a grayish gold truck with a “Let’s Go Brandon” sticker on the back window, and sat there thinking, “I don’t belong here. What am I doing?” I left.
I think about guns because, later the same day, I made myself go back to the shop. The owner was not there, so I asked the woman behind the counter my questions. She was angry. She went in the back to get a man. What man? Would he be armed and angry? I left as fast as I could.
People here openly carry their guns. Whether I am stopping by Kroger to pick up ice cream, grabbing a coffee on Main Street or stocking up on household supplies at Walmart, I am constantly aware that there are people around me carrying guns.
Who are the good guys with guns? Who are the bad guys with guns? How do you know?
I think about guns because, in the March 23 issue of the Anderson News, our weekly newspaper, there was a front-page story about a Republican state senator, Adrienne Southworth, who lives in my town, headlined, “Southworth bill would alter guns in school law.” Southworth’s bill proposed that citizens be allowed to carry guns in school buildings when students are not present.
I think about guns because I believe the Southworth bill was in response to the man who came to our school board meeting a few months earlier wearing a gun on his person. I was the citizen who pointed out the gun to the superintendent, after which the man was led outside to put his gun in his vehicle before returning to speak during the public comments section of the meeting.
I think about guns because the editor of our weekly newspaper regularly voices his full-throated support for guns. On June 14, he wrote, “Even in a nation so thoroughly divided by the 2nd Amendment, it’s nearly impossible to find anyone who doesn’t think schools need to be protected by trained professionals with guns and hardened as well as possible against intruders.” Nearly impossible? Really?
I think about guns because, in the previous week’s newspaper, the same editor wrote that when we reelected our county attorney “in last month’s primary, there isn’t a question that his pro-gun campaign messaging had something to do with it.” The county attorney won his primary handily. He will face no Democratic opposition in the general election.
Gun culture in the United States is like kudzu, often called “the invasive vine that ate the South” because of the way it systematically, over time, suffocated and destroyed native grasses, trees and plants until they became extinct. We can no longer go to school, parades, shopping malls, restaurants, concerts, night clubs, the grocery store, without wondering whether this is where we will get shot.
Guns culture is destroying our lives. And the solution most often proposed? More guns.
I have been waking up thinking about guns because, suddenly, there is a suspicious man hanging around the park trail where I jog. One day he drove up to talk to me. I thought he was trying to sell me drugs. A few days later, he tried to get a woman to go home with him. One morning I was running my last lap and spotted the man in a dark corner of the park, under some trees, as if he was lying in wait for me. I called law enforcement. As I stood next to the police car giving a description, I wondered, Would I feel safer here with a gun?
I think about guns, because thinking about guns in 2022 America is part of our all-day, everyday lives. When I warned a woman who often walks her dogs at the park about the suspicious man, she said as casually as if she were offering me a mint, “Oh, I’ll start carrying my gun. Do you have a gun?”
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Some neighbors that we’re close with in Vermont—they keep poultry, pigs, and crops on a few sections of my wife’s family’s farm there—were talking about what a great shot one of them is. So much so that he uses his rifle (and one time a .380 pistol) to shoot down branches when they get a ball or frisbee or whathaveyou stuck in a tree. This was told like it’s a completely normal thing to do. It’s never taken him more than one shot, a matter of great pride, but I couldn’t help but laugh at how absurdly stereotypical it was.
Anyway, no violence involved really, except against the tree branches, but just a little peek into that culture in one of the most liberal states in the nation.
isn't that illegal?
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UVALDE, Texas (AP) — A new wave of anger swept through Uvalde on Tuesday over surveillance footage of police officers in body armor milling in the hallway of Robb Elementary School while a gunman carried out a massacre inside a fourth-grade classroom where 19 children and two teachers were killed.
The video published Tuesday by the Austin American-Statesman is a disturbing 80-minute recording of what has been known for weeks now about one of the deadliest school shootings in U.S. history: that heavily armed police officers, some armed with rifles and bulletproof shields, massed in the hallway and waited more than an hour before going inside and stopping the May 24 slayings.
But the footage, which until now had not surfaced publicly, anguished Uvalde residents anew and redoubled calls in the small South Texas city for accountability and explanations that have been incomplete — and sometimes inaccurate — in the seven weeks since the shooting. Hours after the video was published, some residents at a Uvalde City Council meeting said they had not been able to bring themselves to watch it.
Jesus Rizo said officers who are paid taxpayer dollars to protect people should not have “sat there” when children were in danger.
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“You could've saved some lives. You could have held somebody's hand as they were dying,” he said. “The parents could have seen them one last time as they were dying.”
Others demanded consequences for police and more information in an investigation marked by confusing statements that have had to be retracted at times.
“Give these families some closure," said Daniel Myers, a pastor in Uvalde and family friend to one of the victims.
An investigative committee led by Texas lawmakers had earlier announced plans to show the video to Uvalde residents for the first time Sunday, in addition to sharing their findings after weeks of closed-door testimony from more than 40 witnesses.
"This has been the most unprofessional investigation or handling of it that I’ve ever seen in my life," Uvalde Mayor Don McLaughlin said in an interview with The Associated Press. “These families get blindsided constantly."
The footage from a hallway camera inside the school shows the gunman entering the building with an AR-15 style rifle and includes 911 tape of a teacher screaming, “Get down! Get in your rooms! Get in your rooms!”
Two officers approach the classrooms minutes after the gunman enters, then run back amid the sounds of gunfire.
As the gunman first approaches the classrooms a child whose image is blurred can be seen poking their head around a corner down the hallway and then running back while shots ring out. Later, about 20 minutes before police breach the room, the video shows a man wearing a vest that says “sheriff” use a hand sanitizer dispenser mounted on the wall.
Throughout the video, the screams of children are redacted.
Officials said the 77 minutes of footage they are preparing to release this weekend does not contain images of children in the classroom. Rep. Dustin Burrows, a Republican who is leading the investigation, said after the video was posted by the Statesman that "watching the entire segment of law enforcement’s response, or lack thereof, is also important.”
But the video alone does not answer all the questions that remain — nearly two months later — about the law enforcement response. Among them are how schools police Chief Pete Arredondo came to the forefront of the massive law enforcement response involving numerous local, state and federal agencies.
State authorities have cast Arredondo as the on-scene commander and said his errors delayed police killing the gunman. Arredondo, however, has told the Texas Tribune he didn’t consider himself to be in charge of operations and that he assumed someone else had taken control of the law enforcement response. He did not have a police radio at the time.
The roles of the ranking on-scene officers from other agencies, including the Texas Department of Public Safety, remain unclear. McLaughlin has accused DPS of minimizing its involvement in the response and releasing inaccurate timelines.
Last week, a critique of the police response written by tactical experts and requested by DPS alleged that a Uvalde police officer had a chance to open fire on the gunman before he entered the school. McLaughlin has said that account was inaccurate.
“All they keep doing is piling missed facts on missed facts, and throwing it out there and see what sticks,” McLaughlin said.
In a statement, DPS Director Steve McCraw said the video provides “horrifying evidence" that the law enforcement response was a failure.
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Weber reported from Austin, Texas. Associated Press writers Jake Bleiberg in Dallas and Robert Jablon in Los Angeles contributed to this report.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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bad culture built by bad people.....
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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I'm not sure what the protocol is for going after a person in a room w a semiautomatic rifle but with hostages present kids at that, I'd think you'd do more than hang back and wait for reinforcements?
This is all hindsight now but man, It just doesn't look good.
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In the construction world it's the same thing, you help anyone in a situation.
I understand that someone isn't shooting at us but man...
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Or, “too bad there were so many doors and if only the 8 year old could have defended themselves with a gun.”
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/14/us/arkansas-boy-accidentally-fatally-shoots-brother/index.html
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