a 6 year old's entire family was slaughtered in front of him trying to exchange some clothes he got for his birthday.
who gives a fuck who he is affiliated with so we can blame the appropriate group. it's the fucking guns.
We’ll Never get past this. Unfortunately, the race and politics of the shooter is alway most important to both sides. Was he white? Yay! Was he not white? Yay! It’s disgusting. Again, division over solutions.
While this is true to an extent, I think it's clear one said is waaaay more invested in the identity of the shooter than the real issue of gun control. Let's get serious now. Look at Marge Green's initial, false, tweet. Look at Fox "News'" coverage.
In this very thread-on this very morning, we have someone who is doing their own research on the guy's identity instead of choosing to believe what has actually been reported just because it doesn't fit the maga narrative. Instead on focusing on the real issue, he's knee deep in message board's dissecting the shooter's tattoos. By the end of the week the shooter will likely be a Trans Antifia FBI plant who played a role in rigging Kari Lake's governorship bid to a large portion of the country. So let's be careful with the bothsidsing here.
By my own research I meant I was going to check out all the information out there. I don’t trust anything the govt tells me or the media tells me. What did you think I was going to drive three hours and start interviewing people at the mall?! We should all be doing our own research all the time, we’re being fed govt controlled propaganda all day every day
No I figured you were going to peruse the dark corners of the internet where conspiracy theories are born and bred.
Being skeptical of the gov and media is normal to an extent. But you come here and post some really weird stuff and then cite some really shady websites that I'm afraid to click on.
There are plenty of reputable news organizations you should be able trust. I think the problem a lot of people have is they cannot accept the basic set of facts that most rational people can simply because those facts dispute a lot of their beliefs. And so they then go off searching weird websites and message boards in hopes of disputing those facts in the name of "research" and that's...not living in reality.
That's exactly it. Their "sources" tell them that the mainstream media is corrupt. Which is absolute bullshit. They are mainstream because they have standards. And you can bet that if CBS puts out a story that isn't 100% correct then ABC/NBC are going to point that out.
Reputable news organizations post corrections if they get something wrong. There are plenty of reputable news organizations out there. To just ignore them is ignorant.
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Democrats in Minnesota Senate hold firm to pass contentious gun control measures
By STEVE KARNOWSKI
Today
ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) — Democratic Minnesota senators held firm despite only a one-vote majority Friday to pass gun control legislation strongly supported by the governor that would align the battleground state with others nationally that have taken steps to keep guns out of the hands of people in crisis and criminals.
The proposals include a “red flag law” that would allow authorities to ask courts for “extreme risk protection orders” to temporarily take guns away from people deemed to be an imminent threat to others or themselves. The provision is part of a broad public safety budget bill that also contains expanded background checks for gun transfers.
The bill passed 34-33 on a party-line vote late Friday after around nine hours of debate.
“What we are going to be providing — finally — is a path forward for families and law enforcement who know that someone's exhibiting signs of crisis and danger," said Democratic Sen. Rob Latz of St. Louis Park, chairman of the Senate public safety committee. "And it will give them lawful tools to separate people in crisis from the firearms that are around them.”
Nineteen other states have some kind of red flag laws, Latz noted at a news conference, including several red states.
Across the country, a few cracks have been opening up in the pattern of Republican-controlled states loosening gun laws while Democratic states like Minnesota tighten them. GOP Tennessee Gov. Bill Lee wants to call a special session to pass what he has avoided calling a red flag law, calling it a “toxic political label.” And two Republicans in a Texas legislative committee broke ranks to back raising the age for buying semi-automatic rifles from 18 to 21. But it’s far too soon to say the GOP is changing direction even amid a record-setting pace for mass killings in the U.S.
Some of Minnesota's rural Democratic senators had long been on the fence. But a key moment came Wednesday when one of them, Sen. Grant Hauschild of Hermantown, announced that he would support the overall bill. The two gun measures were not part of the public safety budget bill that the Senate passed earlier. But they were added Wednesday in the House-Senate conference committee that negotiated the final version, providing some political cover to holdouts by wrapping them into a much bigger public safety package.
Senators from the Republican minority decried several non-firearms provisions that were added to the public safety bill in conference committee that weren't in the original Senate-passed version of the bill.
Democrats who have a more comfortable majority in the Minnesota House scheduled the package for debate late Friday night on the presumption that the Senate would pass it first, but postponed the debate until Saturday. The House had already passed the gun measures as part of its original public safety bill. Democratic Gov. Tim Walz has repeatedly said he will sign the legislation.
The package also includes tougher restrictions on the use by police of no-knock warrants. While it stops short of a ban, it allows only very limited exceptions.
GOP leaders objected to how the final version of the 522-page bill wasn't posted until around 2:30 a.m. Friday. Members can vote only up or down on a conference committee report. They can't amend it. And Republicans were upset at their voices being shut out of shaping the final version, which they oppose on Second Amendment and other grounds.
“This bill is actually what bad legislating looks like,” Republican House Minority Leader Lisa Demuth of Cold Spring said at a separate news conference. “Democrats have full control, but a very small margin.”
The Minnesota Legislature is rushing to complete work on the major budget bills of the session before the May 22 adjournment deadline. Democratic House Speaker Melissa Hortman of Brooklyn Park told reporters Thursday that she wants to adjourn early — either next Thursday night or early next Friday morning. Senate Democratic leaders, however, have not agreed to that.
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It's been awhile, but I've been to Farmington, in beautiful San Juan County, New Mexico. I don't know how much it's changed, but when I was there it was a nice little town, population in the mid 30 thousands. Today its in the mid 40 thousands, so by no means huge. My point being, if mass shootings can happen in Farmington, they can (and maybe will) happen anywhere in the good ol' USofA.
How things have changed in this country. Talk about a raw deal. Sad and pathetic.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
your country is insane, but like I said, there's no way that this all started up at the same time around the country.
this may sound alarmist, but I'm actually reconsidering coming there to see PJ in the summer.
Random acts of violence are still very rare. You can reduce the risk even more by avoiding certain areas at certain times. While nothing is 100%, I certainly don't fear going out on my day to day life.
Tejas. Avoid Tejas.
But not Chicago? Cmon. Put your political bias to the side for one second man. Those videos from a few weeks ago…. Yea. No thanks. Doesn’t seem very welcoming.
I’m not sure Illinois is as dangerous as Tejas or that Chicago is as dangerous as any city in Tejas with similar populations on a per 100,000 population basis but I do know that Tejas’ gun laws are way far less restrictive than Illinois’ but for indianer. Further, IMHO opinion, there are certain areas of Chicago you can avoid but in Tejas it’s the whole state you need to avoid.
What videos from a few weeks ago did I miss?
Not sure if the CDC is considered to be credible or not, but here's their latest firearm mortality rate per 100k. There are 26 states with a higher rate than Texas (Illinois just so happens to be next in line). Seems bias may be coming into play a bit here.
Where would you say your chances of being shot are greater, given that Tejas has a population of approximately 29.3M, while Ilinois has 12.7M and the discrepancy per 100K is a mere .3 (12.4 versus 12.1, Tejas/Illinois)?
Further, while Chicago has a higher rate than Houston, Houston ranks immediately after, and for Tejas cities, Dallas, San Antonio, Fort Worth, Austin and El Paso are listed in the Big Cities Health Coalition as it relates to per 100K firearm deaths. Seems to me, avoid certain areas of Chicago where gun crime is prevalent, you should be okay. Tejas, not so much. Link is data from 2020.
To answer your question, the mortality rate seems to indicate the chances are slightly higher in Illinois. If you don’t want to go the age adjusted rate route, let’s do this. Texas had 4613 firearm deaths in 2021 (per the CDC link), while Illinois had 1995 deaths. The 2021 population estimate for Texas was 29,527,941 with Illinois coming in at 12,671,469. 4613/29,527,941 = .00015622 1995/12,671,469 = .00015744 If you lived in Illinois during 2021 your chances of being one of the firearm victims was .015744%, still slightly higher than the .015622% if you lived in Texas during 2021. If you understand this, there is no need to compare cities within these states. If you’re only interested in comparing cities, that’s a different discussion. I do find it funny (not really) that your link would rank the safest PJ shows this tour as follows: Austin MSP Ft Worth Chicago Indy https://usafacts.org/data/topics/people-society/population-and-demographics/our-changing-population/state/texas/?endDate=2021-01-01&startDate=2010-01-01
You won’t convince me that I’d be safer in Tejas than Illinois or any Tejas city over Chicago. More people + more guns = more people with guns = greater chance of getting shot.
Gun licences issued in Illinois and Tejas and percentage of adults with at least one gun at home.
Licenses in 2021: 144,749
In Illinois, 27.8% of adults say they at least one firearm at home. Roughly 2.5M gun owners.
Licenses in 2021: 1,006,555
In Texas, 45.7% of adults say they live in homes with guns. Roughly 6.8M gun owners.
Since the beginning of 2023, more mass shootings, roughly 2Xs more, occurred in Tejas over Illinois, according to the gun violence archive. Looking at only deaths from firearms is not the sole predicator of risk. I’ll take my chances in Chicago over Tejas. Enjoy the shows in Tejas but don’t play baseball.
Trust me, I already know. Not surprising when you continue to ignore the evidence. When the dust settles on 2023 and the gun violence information is compiled, I’ll base my assessments accordingly. In the meantime you can continue to base yours from the image below.
You were saying? Let me know when Illinois matches Tejas. Half of the nation’s worst mass shootings in the past ten years and a 90% increase in their murder rate. You go Tejas.
your country is insane, but like I said, there's no way that this all started up at the same time around the country.
this may sound alarmist, but I'm actually reconsidering coming there to see PJ in the summer.
Random acts of violence are still very rare. You can reduce the risk even more by avoiding certain areas at certain times. While nothing is 100%, I certainly don't fear going out on my day to day life.
Tejas. Avoid Tejas.
But not Chicago? Cmon. Put your political bias to the side for one second man. Those videos from a few weeks ago…. Yea. No thanks. Doesn’t seem very welcoming.
I’m not sure Illinois is as dangerous as Tejas or that Chicago is as dangerous as any city in Tejas with similar populations on a per 100,000 population basis but I do know that Tejas’ gun laws are way far less restrictive than Illinois’ but for indianer. Further, IMHO opinion, there are certain areas of Chicago you can avoid but in Tejas it’s the whole state you need to avoid.
What videos from a few weeks ago did I miss?
Not sure if the CDC is considered to be credible or not, but here's their latest firearm mortality rate per 100k. There are 26 states with a higher rate than Texas (Illinois just so happens to be next in line). Seems bias may be coming into play a bit here.
Where would you say your chances of being shot are greater, given that Tejas has a population of approximately 29.3M, while Ilinois has 12.7M and the discrepancy per 100K is a mere .3 (12.4 versus 12.1, Tejas/Illinois)?
Further, while Chicago has a higher rate than Houston, Houston ranks immediately after, and for Tejas cities, Dallas, San Antonio, Fort Worth, Austin and El Paso are listed in the Big Cities Health Coalition as it relates to per 100K firearm deaths. Seems to me, avoid certain areas of Chicago where gun crime is prevalent, you should be okay. Tejas, not so much. Link is data from 2020.
To answer your question, the mortality rate seems to indicate the chances are slightly higher in Illinois. If you don’t want to go the age adjusted rate route, let’s do this. Texas had 4613 firearm deaths in 2021 (per the CDC link), while Illinois had 1995 deaths. The 2021 population estimate for Texas was 29,527,941 with Illinois coming in at 12,671,469. 4613/29,527,941 = .00015622 1995/12,671,469 = .00015744 If you lived in Illinois during 2021 your chances of being one of the firearm victims was .015744%, still slightly higher than the .015622% if you lived in Texas during 2021. If you understand this, there is no need to compare cities within these states. If you’re only interested in comparing cities, that’s a different discussion. I do find it funny (not really) that your link would rank the safest PJ shows this tour as follows: Austin MSP Ft Worth Chicago Indy https://usafacts.org/data/topics/people-society/population-and-demographics/our-changing-population/state/texas/?endDate=2021-01-01&startDate=2010-01-01
You won’t convince me that I’d be safer in Tejas than Illinois or any Tejas city over Chicago. More people + more guns = more people with guns = greater chance of getting shot.
Gun licences issued in Illinois and Tejas and percentage of adults with at least one gun at home.
Licenses in 2021: 144,749
In Illinois, 27.8% of adults say they at least one firearm at home. Roughly 2.5M gun owners.
Licenses in 2021: 1,006,555
In Texas, 45.7% of adults say they live in homes with guns. Roughly 6.8M gun owners.
Since the beginning of 2023, more mass shootings, roughly 2Xs more, occurred in Tejas over Illinois, according to the gun violence archive. Looking at only deaths from firearms is not the sole predicator of risk. I’ll take my chances in Chicago over Tejas. Enjoy the shows in Tejas but don’t play baseball.
Trust me, I already know. Not surprising when you continue to ignore the evidence. When the dust settles on 2023 and the gun violence information is compiled, I’ll base my assessments accordingly. In the meantime you can continue to base yours from the image below.
You were saying? Let me know when Illinois matches Tejas. Half of the nation’s worst mass shootings in the past ten years and a 90% increase in their murder rate. You go Tejas.
Enjoy the shows but bring your Kevlar backpack. Like Bo, just a thought.
Still doesn't change the fact that .015744% is greater than .015622%. I didn't realize America's Gun Violence only pertained to mass shootings. Nice pivot, and thanks for helping me better understand what you deem to be the biggest threat...the small fractions. Your hard-on for Texas seems to be skewing reality. Politics over facts, apparently.
"Regardless of the definition being used, fatalities in mass shooting
incidents in the U.S. account for a small fraction of all gun murders
that occur nationwide each year."
I couldn't give two shits, really, if the "most" homicides/mass shooting occur in a blue state, or a red state, or a blue city, or a red city (which is why I posted that link earlier; it shows it's cross-political). The fact is, the issue is more micro than that. you don't get anything done that way, and it's exactly what politicians want you to focus on, so they aren't the ones held responsible. the party is.
your country is insane, but like I said, there's no way that this all started up at the same time around the country.
this may sound alarmist, but I'm actually reconsidering coming there to see PJ in the summer.
Random acts of violence are still very rare. You can reduce the risk even more by avoiding certain areas at certain times. While nothing is 100%, I certainly don't fear going out on my day to day life.
Tejas. Avoid Tejas.
But not Chicago? Cmon. Put your political bias to the side for one second man. Those videos from a few weeks ago…. Yea. No thanks. Doesn’t seem very welcoming.
I’m not sure Illinois is as dangerous as Tejas or that Chicago is as dangerous as any city in Tejas with similar populations on a per 100,000 population basis but I do know that Tejas’ gun laws are way far less restrictive than Illinois’ but for indianer. Further, IMHO opinion, there are certain areas of Chicago you can avoid but in Tejas it’s the whole state you need to avoid.
What videos from a few weeks ago did I miss?
Not sure if the CDC is considered to be credible or not, but here's their latest firearm mortality rate per 100k. There are 26 states with a higher rate than Texas (Illinois just so happens to be next in line). Seems bias may be coming into play a bit here.
Where would you say your chances of being shot are greater, given that Tejas has a population of approximately 29.3M, while Ilinois has 12.7M and the discrepancy per 100K is a mere .3 (12.4 versus 12.1, Tejas/Illinois)?
Further, while Chicago has a higher rate than Houston, Houston ranks immediately after, and for Tejas cities, Dallas, San Antonio, Fort Worth, Austin and El Paso are listed in the Big Cities Health Coalition as it relates to per 100K firearm deaths. Seems to me, avoid certain areas of Chicago where gun crime is prevalent, you should be okay. Tejas, not so much. Link is data from 2020.
To answer your question, the mortality rate seems to indicate the chances are slightly higher in Illinois. If you don’t want to go the age adjusted rate route, let’s do this. Texas had 4613 firearm deaths in 2021 (per the CDC link), while Illinois had 1995 deaths. The 2021 population estimate for Texas was 29,527,941 with Illinois coming in at 12,671,469. 4613/29,527,941 = .00015622 1995/12,671,469 = .00015744 If you lived in Illinois during 2021 your chances of being one of the firearm victims was .015744%, still slightly higher than the .015622% if you lived in Texas during 2021. If you understand this, there is no need to compare cities within these states. If you’re only interested in comparing cities, that’s a different discussion. I do find it funny (not really) that your link would rank the safest PJ shows this tour as follows: Austin MSP Ft Worth Chicago Indy https://usafacts.org/data/topics/people-society/population-and-demographics/our-changing-population/state/texas/?endDate=2021-01-01&startDate=2010-01-01
You won’t convince me that I’d be safer in Tejas than Illinois or any Tejas city over Chicago. More people + more guns = more people with guns = greater chance of getting shot.
Gun licences issued in Illinois and Tejas and percentage of adults with at least one gun at home.
Licenses in 2021: 144,749
In Illinois, 27.8% of adults say they at least one firearm at home. Roughly 2.5M gun owners.
Licenses in 2021: 1,006,555
In Texas, 45.7% of adults say they live in homes with guns. Roughly 6.8M gun owners.
Since the beginning of 2023, more mass shootings, roughly 2Xs more, occurred in Tejas over Illinois, according to the gun violence archive. Looking at only deaths from firearms is not the sole predicator of risk. I’ll take my chances in Chicago over Tejas. Enjoy the shows in Tejas but don’t play baseball.
Trust me, I already know. Not surprising when you continue to ignore the evidence. When the dust settles on 2023 and the gun violence information is compiled, I’ll base my assessments accordingly. In the meantime you can continue to base yours from the image below.
You were saying? Let me know when Illinois matches Tejas. Half of the nation’s worst mass shootings in the past ten years and a 90% increase in their murder rate. You go Tejas.
Enjoy the shows but bring your Kevlar backpack. Like Bo, just a thought.
Still doesn't change the fact that .015744% is greater than .015622%. I didn't realize America's Gun Violence only pertained to mass shootings. Nice pivot, and thanks for helping me better understand what you deem to be the biggest threat...the small fractions. Your hard-on for Texas seems to be skewing reality. Politics over facts, apparently.
"Regardless of the definition being used, fatalities in mass shooting
incidents in the U.S. account for a small fraction of all gun murders
that occur nationwide each year."
Supreme Court lets Illinois keep ban on sale of some semiautomatic guns for now
Today
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court said Wednesday that Illinois can, for now, keep in place a new law that bars the sale of certain semiautomatic guns and large-capacity magazines.
The high court denied an emergency request from people challenging the law, which bans so-called assault weapons. The law’s opponents had asked the court to put the law on hold while a court challenge continues. The court did not comment and no justice publicly dissented.
The high court’s action comes at a time when gun violence has been heavily in the news. Since the beginning of the year, 115 people have died in 22 mass killings — an average of one mass killing a week, according to a database maintained by The Associated Press and USA Today in a partnership with Northeastern University. The database counts killings involving four or more fatalities, not including the perpetrator. Just recently, on May 6, a man armed with an AR-15 style rifle and other firearms fatally shot eight people, including three children, at a Dallas-area mall.
The case before the Supreme Court involves an Illinois state law enacted in January. The legislation bans the sale of a series of guns including the AR-15 and AK-47. The law also bars the sale of magazines that have more than 15 rounds of ammunition for handguns and more than 10 rounds of ammunition for a long gun.
People who legally owned the now-barred guns and magazines ahead of the law’s enactment can continue to keep them. The guns, however, must be registered with law enforcement.
Nine other states and the District of Columbia have gun bans similar to the one in Illinois, according to the gun control group Brady, which tracks the legislation. California, Connecticut, Hawaii, New Jersey and New York also require registration of guns purchased prior to the law while four other states – Delaware, Maryland, Massachusetts and Washington -- do not.
A federal trial court in February declined to put the law on hold. A federal appeals court also declined to put the law on hold while the case continues.
The case also involves a separate so-called assault weapon bans passed by the city of Naperville.
The Supreme Court’s conservative majority just last year handed gun rights activists a major victory, ruling that Americans have a right to carry firearms in public for self-defense. But the decision left open whether various restrictions states might impose would be constitutional.
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Associated Press reporter Alanna Durkin Richer contributed to this report from Boston.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
your country is insane, but like I said, there's no way that this all started up at the same time around the country.
this may sound alarmist, but I'm actually reconsidering coming there to see PJ in the summer.
Random acts of violence are still very rare. You can reduce the risk even more by avoiding certain areas at certain times. While nothing is 100%, I certainly don't fear going out on my day to day life.
Tejas. Avoid Tejas.
But not Chicago? Cmon. Put your political bias to the side for one second man. Those videos from a few weeks ago…. Yea. No thanks. Doesn’t seem very welcoming.
I’m not sure Illinois is as dangerous as Tejas or that Chicago is as dangerous as any city in Tejas with similar populations on a per 100,000 population basis but I do know that Tejas’ gun laws are way far less restrictive than Illinois’ but for indianer. Further, IMHO opinion, there are certain areas of Chicago you can avoid but in Tejas it’s the whole state you need to avoid.
What videos from a few weeks ago did I miss?
Not sure if the CDC is considered to be credible or not, but here's their latest firearm mortality rate per 100k. There are 26 states with a higher rate than Texas (Illinois just so happens to be next in line). Seems bias may be coming into play a bit here.
Where would you say your chances of being shot are greater, given that Tejas has a population of approximately 29.3M, while Ilinois has 12.7M and the discrepancy per 100K is a mere .3 (12.4 versus 12.1, Tejas/Illinois)?
Further, while Chicago has a higher rate than Houston, Houston ranks immediately after, and for Tejas cities, Dallas, San Antonio, Fort Worth, Austin and El Paso are listed in the Big Cities Health Coalition as it relates to per 100K firearm deaths. Seems to me, avoid certain areas of Chicago where gun crime is prevalent, you should be okay. Tejas, not so much. Link is data from 2020.
To answer your question, the mortality rate seems to indicate the chances are slightly higher in Illinois. If you don’t want to go the age adjusted rate route, let’s do this. Texas had 4613 firearm deaths in 2021 (per the CDC link), while Illinois had 1995 deaths. The 2021 population estimate for Texas was 29,527,941 with Illinois coming in at 12,671,469. 4613/29,527,941 = .00015622 1995/12,671,469 = .00015744 If you lived in Illinois during 2021 your chances of being one of the firearm victims was .015744%, still slightly higher than the .015622% if you lived in Texas during 2021. If you understand this, there is no need to compare cities within these states. If you’re only interested in comparing cities, that’s a different discussion. I do find it funny (not really) that your link would rank the safest PJ shows this tour as follows: Austin MSP Ft Worth Chicago Indy https://usafacts.org/data/topics/people-society/population-and-demographics/our-changing-population/state/texas/?endDate=2021-01-01&startDate=2010-01-01
You won’t convince me that I’d be safer in Tejas than Illinois or any Tejas city over Chicago. More people + more guns = more people with guns = greater chance of getting shot.
Gun licences issued in Illinois and Tejas and percentage of adults with at least one gun at home.
Licenses in 2021: 144,749
In Illinois, 27.8% of adults say they at least one firearm at home. Roughly 2.5M gun owners.
Licenses in 2021: 1,006,555
In Texas, 45.7% of adults say they live in homes with guns. Roughly 6.8M gun owners.
Since the beginning of 2023, more mass shootings, roughly 2Xs more, occurred in Tejas over Illinois, according to the gun violence archive. Looking at only deaths from firearms is not the sole predicator of risk. I’ll take my chances in Chicago over Tejas. Enjoy the shows in Tejas but don’t play baseball.
Trust me, I already know. Not surprising when you continue to ignore the evidence. When the dust settles on 2023 and the gun violence information is compiled, I’ll base my assessments accordingly. In the meantime you can continue to base yours from the image below.
You were saying? Let me know when Illinois matches Tejas. Half of the nation’s worst mass shootings in the past ten years and a 90% increase in their murder rate. You go Tejas.
Enjoy the shows but bring your Kevlar backpack. Like Bo, just a thought.
Still doesn't change the fact that .015744% is greater than .015622%. I didn't realize America's Gun Violence only pertained to mass shootings. Nice pivot, and thanks for helping me better understand what you deem to be the biggest threat...the small fractions. Your hard-on for Texas seems to be skewing reality. Politics over facts, apparently.
"Regardless of the definition being used, fatalities in mass shooting
incidents in the U.S. account for a small fraction of all gun murders
that occur nationwide each year."
your country is insane, but like I said, there's no way that this all started up at the same time around the country.
this may sound alarmist, but I'm actually reconsidering coming there to see PJ in the summer.
Random acts of violence are still very rare. You can reduce the risk even more by avoiding certain areas at certain times. While nothing is 100%, I certainly don't fear going out on my day to day life.
Tejas. Avoid Tejas.
But not Chicago? Cmon. Put your political bias to the side for one second man. Those videos from a few weeks ago…. Yea. No thanks. Doesn’t seem very welcoming.
I’m not sure Illinois is as dangerous as Tejas or that Chicago is as dangerous as any city in Tejas with similar populations on a per 100,000 population basis but I do know that Tejas’ gun laws are way far less restrictive than Illinois’ but for indianer. Further, IMHO opinion, there are certain areas of Chicago you can avoid but in Tejas it’s the whole state you need to avoid.
What videos from a few weeks ago did I miss?
Not sure if the CDC is considered to be credible or not, but here's their latest firearm mortality rate per 100k. There are 26 states with a higher rate than Texas (Illinois just so happens to be next in line). Seems bias may be coming into play a bit here.
Where would you say your chances of being shot are greater, given that Tejas has a population of approximately 29.3M, while Ilinois has 12.7M and the discrepancy per 100K is a mere .3 (12.4 versus 12.1, Tejas/Illinois)?
Further, while Chicago has a higher rate than Houston, Houston ranks immediately after, and for Tejas cities, Dallas, San Antonio, Fort Worth, Austin and El Paso are listed in the Big Cities Health Coalition as it relates to per 100K firearm deaths. Seems to me, avoid certain areas of Chicago where gun crime is prevalent, you should be okay. Tejas, not so much. Link is data from 2020.
To answer your question, the mortality rate seems to indicate the chances are slightly higher in Illinois. If you don’t want to go the age adjusted rate route, let’s do this. Texas had 4613 firearm deaths in 2021 (per the CDC link), while Illinois had 1995 deaths. The 2021 population estimate for Texas was 29,527,941 with Illinois coming in at 12,671,469. 4613/29,527,941 = .00015622 1995/12,671,469 = .00015744 If you lived in Illinois during 2021 your chances of being one of the firearm victims was .015744%, still slightly higher than the .015622% if you lived in Texas during 2021. If you understand this, there is no need to compare cities within these states. If you’re only interested in comparing cities, that’s a different discussion. I do find it funny (not really) that your link would rank the safest PJ shows this tour as follows: Austin MSP Ft Worth Chicago Indy https://usafacts.org/data/topics/people-society/population-and-demographics/our-changing-population/state/texas/?endDate=2021-01-01&startDate=2010-01-01
You won’t convince me that I’d be safer in Tejas than Illinois or any Tejas city over Chicago. More people + more guns = more people with guns = greater chance of getting shot.
Gun licences issued in Illinois and Tejas and percentage of adults with at least one gun at home.
Licenses in 2021: 144,749
In Illinois, 27.8% of adults say they at least one firearm at home. Roughly 2.5M gun owners.
Licenses in 2021: 1,006,555
In Texas, 45.7% of adults say they live in homes with guns. Roughly 6.8M gun owners.
Since the beginning of 2023, more mass shootings, roughly 2Xs more, occurred in Tejas over Illinois, according to the gun violence archive. Looking at only deaths from firearms is not the sole predicator of risk. I’ll take my chances in Chicago over Tejas. Enjoy the shows in Tejas but don’t play baseball.
Trust me, I already know. Not surprising when you continue to ignore the evidence. When the dust settles on 2023 and the gun violence information is compiled, I’ll base my assessments accordingly. In the meantime you can continue to base yours from the image below.
You were saying? Let me know when Illinois matches Tejas. Half of the nation’s worst mass shootings in the past ten years and a 90% increase in their murder rate. You go Tejas.
Enjoy the shows but bring your Kevlar backpack. Like Bo, just a thought.
Still doesn't change the fact that .015744% is greater than .015622%. I didn't realize America's Gun Violence only pertained to mass shootings. Nice pivot, and thanks for helping me better understand what you deem to be the biggest threat...the small fractions. Your hard-on for Texas seems to be skewing reality. Politics over facts, apparently.
"Regardless of the definition being used, fatalities in mass shooting
incidents in the U.S. account for a small fraction of all gun murders
that occur nationwide each year."
your country is insane, but like I said, there's no way that this all started up at the same time around the country.
this may sound alarmist, but I'm actually reconsidering coming there to see PJ in the summer.
Random acts of violence are still very rare. You can reduce the risk even more by avoiding certain areas at certain times. While nothing is 100%, I certainly don't fear going out on my day to day life.
Tejas. Avoid Tejas.
But not Chicago? Cmon. Put your political bias to the side for one second man. Those videos from a few weeks ago…. Yea. No thanks. Doesn’t seem very welcoming.
I’m not sure Illinois is as dangerous as Tejas or that Chicago is as dangerous as any city in Tejas with similar populations on a per 100,000 population basis but I do know that Tejas’ gun laws are way far less restrictive than Illinois’ but for indianer. Further, IMHO opinion, there are certain areas of Chicago you can avoid but in Tejas it’s the whole state you need to avoid.
What videos from a few weeks ago did I miss?
Not sure if the CDC is considered to be credible or not, but here's their latest firearm mortality rate per 100k. There are 26 states with a higher rate than Texas (Illinois just so happens to be next in line). Seems bias may be coming into play a bit here.
Where would you say your chances of being shot are greater, given that Tejas has a population of approximately 29.3M, while Ilinois has 12.7M and the discrepancy per 100K is a mere .3 (12.4 versus 12.1, Tejas/Illinois)?
Further, while Chicago has a higher rate than Houston, Houston ranks immediately after, and for Tejas cities, Dallas, San Antonio, Fort Worth, Austin and El Paso are listed in the Big Cities Health Coalition as it relates to per 100K firearm deaths. Seems to me, avoid certain areas of Chicago where gun crime is prevalent, you should be okay. Tejas, not so much. Link is data from 2020.
To answer your question, the mortality rate seems to indicate the chances are slightly higher in Illinois. If you don’t want to go the age adjusted rate route, let’s do this. Texas had 4613 firearm deaths in 2021 (per the CDC link), while Illinois had 1995 deaths. The 2021 population estimate for Texas was 29,527,941 with Illinois coming in at 12,671,469. 4613/29,527,941 = .00015622 1995/12,671,469 = .00015744 If you lived in Illinois during 2021 your chances of being one of the firearm victims was .015744%, still slightly higher than the .015622% if you lived in Texas during 2021. If you understand this, there is no need to compare cities within these states. If you’re only interested in comparing cities, that’s a different discussion. I do find it funny (not really) that your link would rank the safest PJ shows this tour as follows: Austin MSP Ft Worth Chicago Indy https://usafacts.org/data/topics/people-society/population-and-demographics/our-changing-population/state/texas/?endDate=2021-01-01&startDate=2010-01-01
You won’t convince me that I’d be safer in Tejas than Illinois or any Tejas city over Chicago. More people + more guns = more people with guns = greater chance of getting shot.
Gun licences issued in Illinois and Tejas and percentage of adults with at least one gun at home.
Licenses in 2021: 144,749
In Illinois, 27.8% of adults say they at least one firearm at home. Roughly 2.5M gun owners.
Licenses in 2021: 1,006,555
In Texas, 45.7% of adults say they live in homes with guns. Roughly 6.8M gun owners.
Since the beginning of 2023, more mass shootings, roughly 2Xs more, occurred in Tejas over Illinois, according to the gun violence archive. Looking at only deaths from firearms is not the sole predicator of risk. I’ll take my chances in Chicago over Tejas. Enjoy the shows in Tejas but don’t play baseball.
Trust me, I already know. Not surprising when you continue to ignore the evidence. When the dust settles on 2023 and the gun violence information is compiled, I’ll base my assessments accordingly. In the meantime you can continue to base yours from the image below.
You were saying? Let me know when Illinois matches Tejas. Half of the nation’s worst mass shootings in the past ten years and a 90% increase in their murder rate. You go Tejas.
Enjoy the shows but bring your Kevlar backpack. Like Bo, just a thought.
Still doesn't change the fact that .015744% is greater than .015622%. I didn't realize America's Gun Violence only pertained to mass shootings. Nice pivot, and thanks for helping me better understand what you deem to be the biggest threat...the small fractions. Your hard-on for Texas seems to be skewing reality. Politics over facts, apparently.
"Regardless of the definition being used, fatalities in mass shooting
incidents in the U.S. account for a small fraction of all gun murders
that occur nationwide each year."
Just wondering if Illinois has folks driving around with an AR15 in the car so a 12 year old can shoot someone who was trying to stop their “friend/guardian/relative” from pissing in the parking lot?
Bigger state with more people and more people with guns + lax or zero regulations regarding possession, where and how = better odds of being a victim anywhere. I’d fathom in Illinois your odds are determined by where in Illinois you are. Tejas, not so much.
your country is insane, but like I said, there's no way that this all started up at the same time around the country.
this may sound alarmist, but I'm actually reconsidering coming there to see PJ in the summer.
Random acts of violence are still very rare. You can reduce the risk even more by avoiding certain areas at certain times. While nothing is 100%, I certainly don't fear going out on my day to day life.
Tejas. Avoid Tejas.
But not Chicago? Cmon. Put your political bias to the side for one second man. Those videos from a few weeks ago…. Yea. No thanks. Doesn’t seem very welcoming.
I’m not sure Illinois is as dangerous as Tejas or that Chicago is as dangerous as any city in Tejas with similar populations on a per 100,000 population basis but I do know that Tejas’ gun laws are way far less restrictive than Illinois’ but for indianer. Further, IMHO opinion, there are certain areas of Chicago you can avoid but in Tejas it’s the whole state you need to avoid.
What videos from a few weeks ago did I miss?
Not sure if the CDC is considered to be credible or not, but here's their latest firearm mortality rate per 100k. There are 26 states with a higher rate than Texas (Illinois just so happens to be next in line). Seems bias may be coming into play a bit here.
Where would you say your chances of being shot are greater, given that Tejas has a population of approximately 29.3M, while Ilinois has 12.7M and the discrepancy per 100K is a mere .3 (12.4 versus 12.1, Tejas/Illinois)?
Further, while Chicago has a higher rate than Houston, Houston ranks immediately after, and for Tejas cities, Dallas, San Antonio, Fort Worth, Austin and El Paso are listed in the Big Cities Health Coalition as it relates to per 100K firearm deaths. Seems to me, avoid certain areas of Chicago where gun crime is prevalent, you should be okay. Tejas, not so much. Link is data from 2020.
To answer your question, the mortality rate seems to indicate the chances are slightly higher in Illinois. If you don’t want to go the age adjusted rate route, let’s do this. Texas had 4613 firearm deaths in 2021 (per the CDC link), while Illinois had 1995 deaths. The 2021 population estimate for Texas was 29,527,941 with Illinois coming in at 12,671,469. 4613/29,527,941 = .00015622 1995/12,671,469 = .00015744 If you lived in Illinois during 2021 your chances of being one of the firearm victims was .015744%, still slightly higher than the .015622% if you lived in Texas during 2021. If you understand this, there is no need to compare cities within these states. If you’re only interested in comparing cities, that’s a different discussion. I do find it funny (not really) that your link would rank the safest PJ shows this tour as follows: Austin MSP Ft Worth Chicago Indy https://usafacts.org/data/topics/people-society/population-and-demographics/our-changing-population/state/texas/?endDate=2021-01-01&startDate=2010-01-01
You won’t convince me that I’d be safer in Tejas than Illinois or any Tejas city over Chicago. More people + more guns = more people with guns = greater chance of getting shot.
Gun licences issued in Illinois and Tejas and percentage of adults with at least one gun at home.
Licenses in 2021: 144,749
In Illinois, 27.8% of adults say they at least one firearm at home. Roughly 2.5M gun owners.
Licenses in 2021: 1,006,555
In Texas, 45.7% of adults say they live in homes with guns. Roughly 6.8M gun owners.
Since the beginning of 2023, more mass shootings, roughly 2Xs more, occurred in Tejas over Illinois, according to the gun violence archive. Looking at only deaths from firearms is not the sole predicator of risk. I’ll take my chances in Chicago over Tejas. Enjoy the shows in Tejas but don’t play baseball.
Trust me, I already know. Not surprising when you continue to ignore the evidence. When the dust settles on 2023 and the gun violence information is compiled, I’ll base my assessments accordingly. In the meantime you can continue to base yours from the image below.
You were saying? Let me know when Illinois matches Tejas. Half of the nation’s worst mass shootings in the past ten years and a 90% increase in their murder rate. You go Tejas.
Enjoy the shows but bring your Kevlar backpack. Like Bo, just a thought.
Still doesn't change the fact that .015744% is greater than .015622%. I didn't realize America's Gun Violence only pertained to mass shootings. Nice pivot, and thanks for helping me better understand what you deem to be the biggest threat...the small fractions. Your hard-on for Texas seems to be skewing reality. Politics over facts, apparently.
"Regardless of the definition being used, fatalities in mass shooting
incidents in the U.S. account for a small fraction of all gun murders
that occur nationwide each year."
Seems you are as well. From the source you linked. Weird.
TEXAS
In an average year, 3,996 people die by guns.
With a rate of 13.7 deaths per 100,000 people, Texas has the 26th-highest rate of gun deaths in the US.
ILLINOIS
In an average year, 1,622 people die by guns.
With a rate of 12.9 deaths per 100,000 people, Illinois has the 35th-highest rate of gun deaths in the US.
Filter by homicides/police shootings and see what happens. Suicides account for 58% of gun deaths in TX. Not downplaying suicides, but I'm certainly not afraid of being the victim of one. Are you?
your country is insane, but like I said, there's no way that this all started up at the same time around the country.
this may sound alarmist, but I'm actually reconsidering coming there to see PJ in the summer.
Random acts of violence are still very rare. You can reduce the risk even more by avoiding certain areas at certain times. While nothing is 100%, I certainly don't fear going out on my day to day life.
Tejas. Avoid Tejas.
But not Chicago? Cmon. Put your political bias to the side for one second man. Those videos from a few weeks ago…. Yea. No thanks. Doesn’t seem very welcoming.
I’m not sure Illinois is as dangerous as Tejas or that Chicago is as dangerous as any city in Tejas with similar populations on a per 100,000 population basis but I do know that Tejas’ gun laws are way far less restrictive than Illinois’ but for indianer. Further, IMHO opinion, there are certain areas of Chicago you can avoid but in Tejas it’s the whole state you need to avoid.
What videos from a few weeks ago did I miss?
Not sure if the CDC is considered to be credible or not, but here's their latest firearm mortality rate per 100k. There are 26 states with a higher rate than Texas (Illinois just so happens to be next in line). Seems bias may be coming into play a bit here.
Where would you say your chances of being shot are greater, given that Tejas has a population of approximately 29.3M, while Ilinois has 12.7M and the discrepancy per 100K is a mere .3 (12.4 versus 12.1, Tejas/Illinois)?
Further, while Chicago has a higher rate than Houston, Houston ranks immediately after, and for Tejas cities, Dallas, San Antonio, Fort Worth, Austin and El Paso are listed in the Big Cities Health Coalition as it relates to per 100K firearm deaths. Seems to me, avoid certain areas of Chicago where gun crime is prevalent, you should be okay. Tejas, not so much. Link is data from 2020.
To answer your question, the mortality rate seems to indicate the chances are slightly higher in Illinois. If you don’t want to go the age adjusted rate route, let’s do this. Texas had 4613 firearm deaths in 2021 (per the CDC link), while Illinois had 1995 deaths. The 2021 population estimate for Texas was 29,527,941 with Illinois coming in at 12,671,469. 4613/29,527,941 = .00015622 1995/12,671,469 = .00015744 If you lived in Illinois during 2021 your chances of being one of the firearm victims was .015744%, still slightly higher than the .015622% if you lived in Texas during 2021. If you understand this, there is no need to compare cities within these states. If you’re only interested in comparing cities, that’s a different discussion. I do find it funny (not really) that your link would rank the safest PJ shows this tour as follows: Austin MSP Ft Worth Chicago Indy https://usafacts.org/data/topics/people-society/population-and-demographics/our-changing-population/state/texas/?endDate=2021-01-01&startDate=2010-01-01
You won’t convince me that I’d be safer in Tejas than Illinois or any Tejas city over Chicago. More people + more guns = more people with guns = greater chance of getting shot.
Gun licences issued in Illinois and Tejas and percentage of adults with at least one gun at home.
Licenses in 2021: 144,749
In Illinois, 27.8% of adults say they at least one firearm at home. Roughly 2.5M gun owners.
Licenses in 2021: 1,006,555
In Texas, 45.7% of adults say they live in homes with guns. Roughly 6.8M gun owners.
Since the beginning of 2023, more mass shootings, roughly 2Xs more, occurred in Tejas over Illinois, according to the gun violence archive. Looking at only deaths from firearms is not the sole predicator of risk. I’ll take my chances in Chicago over Tejas. Enjoy the shows in Tejas but don’t play baseball.
Trust me, I already know. Not surprising when you continue to ignore the evidence. When the dust settles on 2023 and the gun violence information is compiled, I’ll base my assessments accordingly. In the meantime you can continue to base yours from the image below.
You were saying? Let me know when Illinois matches Tejas. Half of the nation’s worst mass shootings in the past ten years and a 90% increase in their murder rate. You go Tejas.
Enjoy the shows but bring your Kevlar backpack. Like Bo, just a thought.
Still doesn't change the fact that .015744% is greater than .015622%. I didn't realize America's Gun Violence only pertained to mass shootings. Nice pivot, and thanks for helping me better understand what you deem to be the biggest threat...the small fractions. Your hard-on for Texas seems to be skewing reality. Politics over facts, apparently.
"Regardless of the definition being used, fatalities in mass shooting
incidents in the U.S. account for a small fraction of all gun murders
that occur nationwide each year."
Seems you are as well. From the source you linked. Weird.
TEXAS
In an average year, 3,996 people die by guns.
With a rate of 13.7 deaths per 100,000 people, Texas has the 26th-highest rate of gun deaths in the US.
ILLINOIS
In an average year, 1,622 people die by guns.
With a rate of 12.9 deaths per 100,000 people, Illinois has the 35th-highest rate of gun deaths in the US.
Filter by homicides/police shootings and see what happens. Suicides account for 58% of gun deaths in TX. Not downplaying suicides, but I'm certainly not afraid of being the victim of one. Are you?
Well, if those committing it are willing to take others with them, which is possible, then yes. Me personally taking my own life? No.
your country is insane, but like I said, there's no way that this all started up at the same time around the country.
this may sound alarmist, but I'm actually reconsidering coming there to see PJ in the summer.
Random acts of violence are still very rare. You can reduce the risk even more by avoiding certain areas at certain times. While nothing is 100%, I certainly don't fear going out on my day to day life.
Tejas. Avoid Tejas.
But not Chicago? Cmon. Put your political bias to the side for one second man. Those videos from a few weeks ago…. Yea. No thanks. Doesn’t seem very welcoming.
I’m not sure Illinois is as dangerous as Tejas or that Chicago is as dangerous as any city in Tejas with similar populations on a per 100,000 population basis but I do know that Tejas’ gun laws are way far less restrictive than Illinois’ but for indianer. Further, IMHO opinion, there are certain areas of Chicago you can avoid but in Tejas it’s the whole state you need to avoid.
What videos from a few weeks ago did I miss?
Not sure if the CDC is considered to be credible or not, but here's their latest firearm mortality rate per 100k. There are 26 states with a higher rate than Texas (Illinois just so happens to be next in line). Seems bias may be coming into play a bit here.
Where would you say your chances of being shot are greater, given that Tejas has a population of approximately 29.3M, while Ilinois has 12.7M and the discrepancy per 100K is a mere .3 (12.4 versus 12.1, Tejas/Illinois)?
Further, while Chicago has a higher rate than Houston, Houston ranks immediately after, and for Tejas cities, Dallas, San Antonio, Fort Worth, Austin and El Paso are listed in the Big Cities Health Coalition as it relates to per 100K firearm deaths. Seems to me, avoid certain areas of Chicago where gun crime is prevalent, you should be okay. Tejas, not so much. Link is data from 2020.
To answer your question, the mortality rate seems to indicate the chances are slightly higher in Illinois. If you don’t want to go the age adjusted rate route, let’s do this. Texas had 4613 firearm deaths in 2021 (per the CDC link), while Illinois had 1995 deaths. The 2021 population estimate for Texas was 29,527,941 with Illinois coming in at 12,671,469. 4613/29,527,941 = .00015622 1995/12,671,469 = .00015744 If you lived in Illinois during 2021 your chances of being one of the firearm victims was .015744%, still slightly higher than the .015622% if you lived in Texas during 2021. If you understand this, there is no need to compare cities within these states. If you’re only interested in comparing cities, that’s a different discussion. I do find it funny (not really) that your link would rank the safest PJ shows this tour as follows: Austin MSP Ft Worth Chicago Indy https://usafacts.org/data/topics/people-society/population-and-demographics/our-changing-population/state/texas/?endDate=2021-01-01&startDate=2010-01-01
You won’t convince me that I’d be safer in Tejas than Illinois or any Tejas city over Chicago. More people + more guns = more people with guns = greater chance of getting shot.
Gun licences issued in Illinois and Tejas and percentage of adults with at least one gun at home.
Licenses in 2021: 144,749
In Illinois, 27.8% of adults say they at least one firearm at home. Roughly 2.5M gun owners.
Licenses in 2021: 1,006,555
In Texas, 45.7% of adults say they live in homes with guns. Roughly 6.8M gun owners.
Since the beginning of 2023, more mass shootings, roughly 2Xs more, occurred in Tejas over Illinois, according to the gun violence archive. Looking at only deaths from firearms is not the sole predicator of risk. I’ll take my chances in Chicago over Tejas. Enjoy the shows in Tejas but don’t play baseball.
Trust me, I already know. Not surprising when you continue to ignore the evidence. When the dust settles on 2023 and the gun violence information is compiled, I’ll base my assessments accordingly. In the meantime you can continue to base yours from the image below.
You were saying? Let me know when Illinois matches Tejas. Half of the nation’s worst mass shootings in the past ten years and a 90% increase in their murder rate. You go Tejas.
Enjoy the shows but bring your Kevlar backpack. Like Bo, just a thought.
Still doesn't change the fact that .015744% is greater than .015622%. I didn't realize America's Gun Violence only pertained to mass shootings. Nice pivot, and thanks for helping me better understand what you deem to be the biggest threat...the small fractions. Your hard-on for Texas seems to be skewing reality. Politics over facts, apparently.
"Regardless of the definition being used, fatalities in mass shooting
incidents in the U.S. account for a small fraction of all gun murders
that occur nationwide each year."
Seems you are as well. From the source you linked. Weird.
TEXAS
In an average year, 3,996 people die by guns.
With a rate of 13.7 deaths per 100,000 people, Texas has the 26th-highest rate of gun deaths in the US.
ILLINOIS
In an average year, 1,622 people die by guns.
With a rate of 12.9 deaths per 100,000 people, Illinois has the 35th-highest rate of gun deaths in the US.
Filter by homicides/police shootings and see what happens. Suicides account for 58% of gun deaths in TX. Not downplaying suicides, but I'm certainly not afraid of being the victim of one. Are you?
Well, if those committing it are willing to take others with them, which is possible, then yes. Me personally taking my own life? No.
Those are already included in the homicide counts. Make sense?
Just wondering if Illinois has folks driving around with an AR15 in the car so a 12 year old can shoot someone who was trying to stop their “friend/guardian/relative” from pissing in the parking lot?
Bigger state with more people and more people with guns + lax or zero regulations regarding possession, where and how = better odds of being a victim anywhere. I’d fathom in Illinois your odds are determined by where in Illinois you are. Tejas, not so much.
Your blatant disregard of the statistics is astounding.
I couldn't give two shits, really, if the "most" homicides/mass shooting occur in a blue state, or a red state, or a blue city, or a red city (which is why I posted that link earlier; it shows it's cross-political). The fact is, the issue is more micro than that. you don't get anything done that way, and it's exactly what politicians want you to focus on, so they aren't the ones held responsible. the party is.
Supreme Court lets Illinois keep ban on sale of some semiautomatic guns for now
Today
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court said Wednesday that Illinois can, for now, keep in place a new law that bars the sale of certain semiautomatic guns and large-capacity magazines.
The high court denied an emergency request from people challenging the law, which bans so-called assault weapons. The law’s opponents had asked the court to put the law on hold while a court challenge continues. The court did not comment and no justice publicly dissented.
The high court’s action comes at a time when gun violence has been heavily in the news. Since the beginning of the year, 115 people have died in 22 mass killings — an average of one mass killing a week, according to a database maintained by The Associated Press and USA Today in a partnership with Northeastern University. The database counts killings involving four or more fatalities, not including the perpetrator. Just recently, on May 6, a man armed with an AR-15 style rifle and other firearms fatally shot eight people, including three children, at a Dallas-area mall.
The case before the Supreme Court involves an Illinois state law enacted in January. The legislation bans the sale of a series of guns including the AR-15 and AK-47. The law also bars the sale of magazines that have more than 15 rounds of ammunition for handguns and more than 10 rounds of ammunition for a long gun.
People who legally owned the now-barred guns and magazines ahead of the law’s enactment can continue to keep them. The guns, however, must be registered with law enforcement.
Nine other states and the District of Columbia have gun bans similar to the one in Illinois, according to the gun control group Brady, which tracks the legislation. California, Connecticut, Hawaii, New Jersey and New York also require registration of guns purchased prior to the law while four other states – Delaware, Maryland, Massachusetts and Washington -- do not.
A federal trial court in February declined to put the law on hold. A federal appeals court also declined to put the law on hold while the case continues.
The case also involves a separate so-called assault weapon bans passed by the city of Naperville.
The Supreme Court’s conservative majority just last year handed gun rights activists a major victory, ruling that Americans have a right to carry firearms in public for self-defense. But the decision left open whether various restrictions states might impose would be constitutional.
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Associated Press reporter Alanna Durkin Richer contributed to this report from Boston.
I don't know that I see this legislation having any impact on gun violence in Illinois. It seems that people blame the lax gun laws in neighboring states for the amount of illegally owned firearms in Illinois.
The people trafficking illegal weapons across state lines are not likely to give two shits about this.
If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
two guys in a pissing contest...both facing the wind.
Pissing match, or conveying a point to someone who’s argument is emotionally driven? How do you interpret the statistics, Hugh? If you’re paying attention none of my comments are based on political bias, If calling someone out for doing so, with facts and logic is considered a pissing match, you’re quite the pisser yourself.
Supreme Court lets Illinois keep ban on sale of some semiautomatic guns for now
Today
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court said Wednesday that Illinois can, for now, keep in place a new law that bars the sale of certain semiautomatic guns and large-capacity magazines.
The high court denied an emergency request from people challenging the law, which bans so-called assault weapons. The law’s opponents had asked the court to put the law on hold while a court challenge continues. The court did not comment and no justice publicly dissented.
The high court’s action comes at a time when gun violence has been heavily in the news. Since the beginning of the year, 115 people have died in 22 mass killings — an average of one mass killing a week, according to a database maintained by The Associated Press and USA Today in a partnership with Northeastern University. The database counts killings involving four or more fatalities, not including the perpetrator. Just recently, on May 6, a man armed with an AR-15 style rifle and other firearms fatally shot eight people, including three children, at a Dallas-area mall.
The case before the Supreme Court involves an Illinois state law enacted in January. The legislation bans the sale of a series of guns including the AR-15 and AK-47. The law also bars the sale of magazines that have more than 15 rounds of ammunition for handguns and more than 10 rounds of ammunition for a long gun.
People who legally owned the now-barred guns and magazines ahead of the law’s enactment can continue to keep them. The guns, however, must be registered with law enforcement.
Nine other states and the District of Columbia have gun bans similar to the one in Illinois, according to the gun control group Brady, which tracks the legislation. California, Connecticut, Hawaii, New Jersey and New York also require registration of guns purchased prior to the law while four other states – Delaware, Maryland, Massachusetts and Washington -- do not.
A federal trial court in February declined to put the law on hold. A federal appeals court also declined to put the law on hold while the case continues.
The case also involves a separate so-called assault weapon bans passed by the city of Naperville.
The Supreme Court’s conservative majority just last year handed gun rights activists a major victory, ruling that Americans have a right to carry firearms in public for self-defense. But the decision left open whether various restrictions states might impose would be constitutional.
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Associated Press reporter Alanna Durkin Richer contributed to this report from Boston.
I don't know that I see this legislation having any impact on gun violence in Illinois. It seems that people blame the lax gun laws in neighboring states for the amount of illegally owned firearms in Illinois.
The people trafficking illegal weapons across state lines are not likely to give two shits about this.
Supreme Court lets Illinois keep ban on sale of some semiautomatic guns for now
Today
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court said Wednesday that Illinois can, for now, keep in place a new law that bars the sale of certain semiautomatic guns and large-capacity magazines.
The high court denied an emergency request from people challenging the law, which bans so-called assault weapons. The law’s opponents had asked the court to put the law on hold while a court challenge continues. The court did not comment and no justice publicly dissented.
The high court’s action comes at a time when gun violence has been heavily in the news. Since the beginning of the year, 115 people have died in 22 mass killings — an average of one mass killing a week, according to a database maintained by The Associated Press and USA Today in a partnership with Northeastern University. The database counts killings involving four or more fatalities, not including the perpetrator. Just recently, on May 6, a man armed with an AR-15 style rifle and other firearms fatally shot eight people, including three children, at a Dallas-area mall.
The case before the Supreme Court involves an Illinois state law enacted in January. The legislation bans the sale of a series of guns including the AR-15 and AK-47. The law also bars the sale of magazines that have more than 15 rounds of ammunition for handguns and more than 10 rounds of ammunition for a long gun.
People who legally owned the now-barred guns and magazines ahead of the law’s enactment can continue to keep them. The guns, however, must be registered with law enforcement.
Nine other states and the District of Columbia have gun bans similar to the one in Illinois, according to the gun control group Brady, which tracks the legislation. California, Connecticut, Hawaii, New Jersey and New York also require registration of guns purchased prior to the law while four other states – Delaware, Maryland, Massachusetts and Washington -- do not.
A federal trial court in February declined to put the law on hold. A federal appeals court also declined to put the law on hold while the case continues.
The case also involves a separate so-called assault weapon bans passed by the city of Naperville.
The Supreme Court’s conservative majority just last year handed gun rights activists a major victory, ruling that Americans have a right to carry firearms in public for self-defense. But the decision left open whether various restrictions states might impose would be constitutional.
___
Associated Press reporter Alanna Durkin Richer contributed to this report from Boston.
I don't know that I see this legislation having any impact on gun violence in Illinois. It seems that people blame the lax gun laws in neighboring states for the amount of illegally owned firearms in Illinois.
The people trafficking illegal weapons across state lines are not likely to give two shits about this.
“LESS THAN HALF THE GUNS USED IN ILLINOIS CRIME COME FROM ILLINOIS, DATA ANALYSIS SHOWS”
There you have it. This law will not have a major impact on gun violence in Illinois but it will make people feel better and help politicians gain support for their party.
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your country is insane, but like I said, there's no way that this all started up at the same time around the country.
this may sound alarmist, but I'm actually reconsidering coming there to see PJ in the summer.
Random acts of violence are still very rare. You can reduce the risk even more by avoiding certain areas at certain times. While nothing is 100%, I certainly don't fear going out on my day to day life.
Tejas. Avoid Tejas.
But not Chicago? Cmon. Put your political bias to the side for one second man. Those videos from a few weeks ago…. Yea. No thanks. Doesn’t seem very welcoming.
I’m not sure Illinois is as dangerous as Tejas or that Chicago is as dangerous as any city in Tejas with similar populations on a per 100,000 population basis but I do know that Tejas’ gun laws are way far less restrictive than Illinois’ but for indianer. Further, IMHO opinion, there are certain areas of Chicago you can avoid but in Tejas it’s the whole state you need to avoid.
What videos from a few weeks ago did I miss?
Not sure if the CDC is considered to be credible or not, but here's their latest firearm mortality rate per 100k. There are 26 states with a higher rate than Texas (Illinois just so happens to be next in line). Seems bias may be coming into play a bit here.
Where would you say your chances of being shot are greater, given that Tejas has a population of approximately 29.3M, while Ilinois has 12.7M and the discrepancy per 100K is a mere .3 (12.4 versus 12.1, Tejas/Illinois)?
Further, while Chicago has a higher rate than Houston, Houston ranks immediately after, and for Tejas cities, Dallas, San Antonio, Fort Worth, Austin and El Paso are listed in the Big Cities Health Coalition as it relates to per 100K firearm deaths. Seems to me, avoid certain areas of Chicago where gun crime is prevalent, you should be okay. Tejas, not so much. Link is data from 2020.
To answer your question, the mortality rate seems to indicate the chances are slightly higher in Illinois. If you don’t want to go the age adjusted rate route, let’s do this. Texas had 4613 firearm deaths in 2021 (per the CDC link), while Illinois had 1995 deaths. The 2021 population estimate for Texas was 29,527,941 with Illinois coming in at 12,671,469. 4613/29,527,941 = .00015622 1995/12,671,469 = .00015744 If you lived in Illinois during 2021 your chances of being one of the firearm victims was .015744%, still slightly higher than the .015622% if you lived in Texas during 2021. If you understand this, there is no need to compare cities within these states. If you’re only interested in comparing cities, that’s a different discussion. I do find it funny (not really) that your link would rank the safest PJ shows this tour as follows: Austin MSP Ft Worth Chicago Indy https://usafacts.org/data/topics/people-society/population-and-demographics/our-changing-population/state/texas/?endDate=2021-01-01&startDate=2010-01-01
You won’t convince me that I’d be safer in Tejas than Illinois or any Tejas city over Chicago. More people + more guns = more people with guns = greater chance of getting shot.
Gun licences issued in Illinois and Tejas and percentage of adults with at least one gun at home.
Licenses in 2021: 144,749
In Illinois, 27.8% of adults say they at least one firearm at home. Roughly 2.5M gun owners.
Licenses in 2021: 1,006,555
In Texas, 45.7% of adults say they live in homes with guns. Roughly 6.8M gun owners.
Since the beginning of 2023, more mass shootings, roughly 2Xs more, occurred in Tejas over Illinois, according to the gun violence archive. Looking at only deaths from firearms is not the sole predicator of risk. I’ll take my chances in Chicago over Tejas. Enjoy the shows in Tejas but don’t play baseball.
Trust me, I already know. Not surprising when you continue to ignore the evidence. When the dust settles on 2023 and the gun violence information is compiled, I’ll base my assessments accordingly. In the meantime you can continue to base yours from the image below.
You were saying? Let me know when Illinois matches Tejas. Half of the nation’s worst mass shootings in the past ten years and a 90% increase in their murder rate. You go Tejas.
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Still doesn't change the fact that .015744% is greater than .015622%. I didn't realize America's Gun Violence only pertained to mass shootings. Nice pivot, and thanks for helping me better understand what you deem to be the biggest threat...the small fractions. Your hard-on for Texas seems to be skewing reality. Politics over facts, apparently.
"Regardless of the definition being used, fatalities in mass shooting
incidents in the U.S. account for a small fraction of all gun murders
that occur nationwide each year."
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Just remember that Texas has approximately 30 million residents, and many of us are rational human beings. It's dangerous to generalize to entire populations.
two guys in a pissing contest...both facing the wind.
Pissing match, or conveying a point to someone who’s argument is emotionally driven? How do you interpret the statistics, Hugh? If you’re paying attention none of my comments are based on political bias, If calling someone out for doing so, with facts and logic is considered a pissing match, you’re quite the pisser yourself.
the statistics can be interpreted as presented, but depending on which "side" you're on, you use the calculations that are best suited to you.
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ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) — Democratic Minnesota senators held firm despite only a one-vote majority Friday to pass gun control legislation strongly supported by the governor that would align the battleground state with others nationally that have taken steps to keep guns out of the hands of people in crisis and criminals.
The proposals include a “red flag law” that would allow authorities to ask courts for “extreme risk protection orders” to temporarily take guns away from people deemed to be an imminent threat to others or themselves. The provision is part of a broad public safety budget bill that also contains expanded background checks for gun transfers.
The bill passed 34-33 on a party-line vote late Friday after around nine hours of debate.
“What we are going to be providing — finally — is a path forward for families and law enforcement who know that someone's exhibiting signs of crisis and danger," said Democratic Sen. Rob Latz of St. Louis Park, chairman of the Senate public safety committee. "And it will give them lawful tools to separate people in crisis from the firearms that are around them.”
Nineteen other states have some kind of red flag laws, Latz noted at a news conference, including several red states.
Across the country, a few cracks have been opening up in the pattern of Republican-controlled states loosening gun laws while Democratic states like Minnesota tighten them. GOP Tennessee Gov. Bill Lee wants to call a special session to pass what he has avoided calling a red flag law, calling it a “toxic political label.” And two Republicans in a Texas legislative committee broke ranks to back raising the age for buying semi-automatic rifles from 18 to 21. But it’s far too soon to say the GOP is changing direction even amid a record-setting pace for mass killings in the U.S.
Some of Minnesota's rural Democratic senators had long been on the fence. But a key moment came Wednesday when one of them, Sen. Grant Hauschild of Hermantown, announced that he would support the overall bill. The two gun measures were not part of the public safety budget bill that the Senate passed earlier. But they were added Wednesday in the House-Senate conference committee that negotiated the final version, providing some political cover to holdouts by wrapping them into a much bigger public safety package.
Senators from the Republican minority decried several non-firearms provisions that were added to the public safety bill in conference committee that weren't in the original Senate-passed version of the bill.
Democrats who have a more comfortable majority in the Minnesota House scheduled the package for debate late Friday night on the presumption that the Senate would pass it first, but postponed the debate until Saturday. The House had already passed the gun measures as part of its original public safety bill. Democratic Gov. Tim Walz has repeatedly said he will sign the legislation.
The package also includes tougher restrictions on the use by police of no-knock warrants. While it stops short of a ban, it allows only very limited exceptions.
GOP leaders objected to how the final version of the 522-page bill wasn't posted until around 2:30 a.m. Friday. Members can vote only up or down on a conference committee report. They can't amend it. And Republicans were upset at their voices being shut out of shaping the final version, which they oppose on Second Amendment and other grounds.
“This bill is actually what bad legislating looks like,” Republican House Minority Leader Lisa Demuth of Cold Spring said at a separate news conference. “Democrats have full control, but a very small margin.”
The Minnesota Legislature is rushing to complete work on the major budget bills of the session before the May 22 adjournment deadline. Democratic House Speaker Melissa Hortman of Brooklyn Park told reporters Thursday that she wants to adjourn early — either next Thursday night or early next Friday morning. Senate Democratic leaders, however, have not agreed to that.
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My point being, if mass shootings can happen in Farmington, they can (and maybe will) happen anywhere in the good ol' USofA.
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WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court said Wednesday that Illinois can, for now, keep in place a new law that bars the sale of certain semiautomatic guns and large-capacity magazines.
The high court denied an emergency request from people challenging the law, which bans so-called assault weapons. The law’s opponents had asked the court to put the law on hold while a court challenge continues. The court did not comment and no justice publicly dissented.
The high court’s action comes at a time when gun violence has been heavily in the news. Since the beginning of the year, 115 people have died in 22 mass killings — an average of one mass killing a week, according to a database maintained by The Associated Press and USA Today in a partnership with Northeastern University. The database counts killings involving four or more fatalities, not including the perpetrator. Just recently, on May 6, a man armed with an AR-15 style rifle and other firearms fatally shot eight people, including three children, at a Dallas-area mall.
The case before the Supreme Court involves an Illinois state law enacted in January. The legislation bans the sale of a series of guns including the AR-15 and AK-47. The law also bars the sale of magazines that have more than 15 rounds of ammunition for handguns and more than 10 rounds of ammunition for a long gun.
People who legally owned the now-barred guns and magazines ahead of the law’s enactment can continue to keep them. The guns, however, must be registered with law enforcement.
Nine other states and the District of Columbia have gun bans similar to the one in Illinois, according to the gun control group Brady, which tracks the legislation. California, Connecticut, Hawaii, New Jersey and New York also require registration of guns purchased prior to the law while four other states – Delaware, Maryland, Massachusetts and Washington -- do not.
The Illinois legislation was driven largely by the killing of seven people at a 4th of July parade last year in the Chicago suburb of Highland Park. The shooter was armed with an AR-15 rifle and 30-round magazines.
A federal trial court in February declined to put the law on hold. A federal appeals court also declined to put the law on hold while the case continues.
The case also involves a separate so-called assault weapon bans passed by the city of Naperville.
The Supreme Court’s conservative majority just last year handed gun rights activists a major victory, ruling that Americans have a right to carry firearms in public for self-defense. But the decision left open whether various restrictions states might impose would be constitutional.
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Associated Press reporter Alanna Durkin Richer contributed to this report from Boston.
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In an average year, 3,996 people die by guns.
With a rate of 13.7 deaths per 100,000 people, Texas has the 26th-highest rate of gun deaths in the US.
In an average year, 1,622 people die by guns.
With a rate of 12.9 deaths per 100,000 people, Illinois has the 35th-highest rate of gun deaths in the US.
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Bigger state with more people and more people with guns + lax or zero regulations regarding possession, where and how = better odds of being a victim anywhere. I’d fathom in Illinois your odds are determined by where in Illinois you are. Tejas, not so much.
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The people trafficking illegal weapons across state lines are not likely to give two shits about this.
per 100k citizens or population as a whole?
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demographics?
population?
homicide/suicide/mass shooting/accidental?
people on both sides choose which ones to use and which not to, depending which result they wish to see.
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