The elephant in the room....Covid and these Pearl Jam shows

on2legs

nicknyr15 said:

So that’s two confirmed cases from SHN. Just on these boards. Crazy. Wish both  a speedy recovery  

Confirmed?

GlowGirl

nicknyr15 said:

So that’s two confirmed cases from SHN. Just on these boards. Crazy. Wish both  a speedy recovery  

It sucks. But out of a crowd of 35,000 I expected a few. If it ends up being under 100, I still think that is pretty good.

lmckenney24

GlowGirl said:

nicknyr15 said:

So that’s two confirmed cases from SHN. Just on these boards. Crazy. Wish both  a speedy recovery  

It sucks. But out of a crowd of 35,000 I expected a few. If it ends up being under 100, I still think that is pretty good.

Very good. It's never going to be 100% no breakthrough.

OnWis97

Go Beavers said:

The problem for over a year is the messaging around spread and also the vaccine. Outdoor spread is very rare. Even more rare with a high vax rate crowd. Ventilation is the most important factor, as far as NPIs go, but it has never been emphasized enough. Vaccinated people are less likely to spread, but you keep hearing “the vaccinated can still spread it”. This just added to misperceptions for the vaccine hesitant: “why get vaccinated if I can still get it and spread it?”  

I'm amazed by how often I see this argument. It's the least logical argument there is...even less logical than the nonsensical "Gates Chip" or "I don't want to be told what to do," or even "fuck you." Do people not understand what mitigating risk is? I mean, you can still die in a car crash if you wear a seatbelt, so why wear one?  

PJNB

OnWis97 said:

Go Beavers said:

The problem for over a year is the messaging around spread and also the vaccine. Outdoor spread is very rare. Even more rare with a high vax rate crowd. Ventilation is the most important factor, as far as NPIs go, but it has never been emphasized enough. Vaccinated people are less likely to spread, but you keep hearing “the vaccinated can still spread it”. This just added to misperceptions for the vaccine hesitant: “why get vaccinated if I can still get it and spread it?”  

I'm amazed by how often I see this argument. It's the least logical argument there is...even less logical than the nonsensical "Gates Chip" or "I don't want to be told what to do," or even "fuck you." Do people not understand what mitigating risk is? I mean, you can still die in a car crash if you wear a seatbelt, so why wear one?  

At this point anyone not getting the vaccine is clinging out to any info that makes it seem like the vaccine does not work. Whether it is Israels numbers or that vaccinated people can get breakthrough cases and have the same viral load they need something to justify their actions. 

davidos

Went to SHN... developed cough and slight chills by wednesday. Got tested last night... thought for sure I had COVID... PCR test came back negative... big PHEW... doctor told me that Delta can spread outdoors and you can still get it if you are vaxxed. The weather here in NY has been a little nuts... Hot and humid, cold at night, in and out of AC... must be allergies... 

Go Beavers

2-feign-reluctance said:

You Go Beavers said:

The problem for over a year is the messaging around spread and also the vaccine. Outdoor spread is very rare. Even more rare with a high vax rate crowd. Ventilation is the most important factor, as far as NPIs go, but it has never been emphasized enough. Vaccinated people are less likely to spread, but you keep hearing “the vaccinated can still spread it”. This just added to misperceptions for the vaccine hesitant: “why get vaccinated if I can still get it and spread it?”  

Dude, because you reduce your risk of dying and spreading a hefty viral load onto others. Proof is in the responses just underneath yours. C'mon. 

you reduce chance of dying, serious illness, and likelihood of spreading. The viral load is lower with vaccinated people. And I wouldn’t say it’s confirmed that people got it at SHN. You’d also have to look at contacts in higher risk environments from around sept 14th to the 19th. 

SVRDhand13

davidos said:

Went to SHN... developed cough and slight chills by wednesday. Got tested last night... thought for sure I had COVID... PCR test came back negative... big PHEW... doctor told me that Delta can spread outdoors and you can still get it if you are vaxxed. The weather here in NY has been a little nuts... Hot and humid, cold at night, in and out of AC... must be allergies... 

Could just be the typical flu too

My allergies have been bad, as they always are in august, but chills should not be a symptom.  Either way, hope you feel better soon and glad to hear its not covid!

F Me In The Brain

davidos said:

Went to SHN... developed cough and slight chills by wednesday. Got tested last night... thought for sure I had COVID... PCR test came back negative... big PHEW... doctor told me that Delta can spread outdoors and you can still get it if you are vaxxed. The weather here in NY has been a little nuts... Hot and humid, cold at night, in and out of AC... must be allergies... 

Good news!

JH6056

davidos said:

Went to SHN... developed cough and slight chills by wednesday. Got tested last night... thought for sure I had COVID... PCR test came back negative... big PHEW... doctor told me that Delta can spread outdoors and you can still get it if you are vaxxed. The weather here in NY has been a little nuts... Hot and humid, cold at night, in and out of AC... must be allergies... 

Just out of curiosity, do you really mean "PCR Test", or did you get a rapid test? Usually PCR takes a couple days to get the results, I'm thinking if you got tested last night and have results already, it was rapid test, which is documented less reliable than actual PCR.

Check and make sure you got the more accurate PCR before you write off Covid, because those symptoms are so classic covid, you want ot make sure you're not contagious.

Hoping you're right though and somehow you got a very fast better test so it's more likely accurate negative.

Either way, fell better fast!

JH6056

nicknyr15 said:

So that’s two confirmed cases from SHN. Just on these boards. Crazy. Wish both  a speedy recovery  

I'd posted a big glowing "Well done SHN for safely holding a beach party for 35,000!" with one of those drone shots of almost the whole crowd on my Insta page 2 days ago.

Realized I know a few people with symptoms since the weekend, at various stages of getting tests done, so took my post down since it hyped the safety angle. 

SHN was still, no matter what, wildly successful from a safety point of view I'm pretty sure.  Highly doubt it'll turn out to be a super-spreader event.  Although some vax doc checkers may have slacked a bit, I found most of them to be paying careful attention.  But there are other ways to present good docs but still not be the vaxxed person... I'll leave it at that but I never assumed everyone standing around me was vaxxed or negative.  I just assumed most were. Wore a mask while walking or standing in crowds, but didn't stress beyond that.

Still super glad we went, still feel like the right safety measures were taken, and still grateful it was on a beach with a breeze and an elevated boardwalk with a railing!

nicknyr15

on2legs said:

nicknyr15 said:

So that’s two confirmed cases from SHN. Just on these boards. Crazy. Wish both  a speedy recovery  

Confirmed?

Yes. Two people on these boards that were there tested positive for covid after. 

OceansJenny

Go Beavers said:

2-feign-reluctance said:

You Go Beavers said:

The problem for over a year is the messaging around spread and also the vaccine. Outdoor spread is very rare. Even more rare with a high vax rate crowd. Ventilation is the most important factor, as far as NPIs go, but it has never been emphasized enough. Vaccinated people are less likely to spread, but you keep hearing “the vaccinated can still spread it”. This just added to misperceptions for the vaccine hesitant: “why get vaccinated if I can still get it and spread it?”  

Dude, because you reduce your risk of dying and spreading a hefty viral load onto others. Proof is in the responses just underneath yours. C'mon. 

And I wouldn’t say it’s confirmed that people got it at SHN. You’d also have to look at contacts in higher risk environments from around sept 14th to the 19th. 

Right exactly. It’s likely from the fest but could easily be from something they did before or after.

F Me In The Brain

JH6056 said:

davidos said:

Went to SHN... developed cough and slight chills by wednesday. Got tested last night... thought for sure I had COVID... PCR test came back negative... big PHEW... doctor told me that Delta can spread outdoors and you can still get it if you are vaxxed. The weather here in NY has been a little nuts... Hot and humid, cold at night, in and out of AC... must be allergies... 

Just out of curiosity, do you really mean "PCR Test", or did you get a rapid test? Usually PCR takes a couple days to get the results, I'm thinking if you got tested last night and have results already, it was rapid test, which is documented less reliable than actual PCR.

Check and make sure you got the more accurate PCR before you write off Covid, because those symptoms are so classic covid, you want ot make sure you're not contagious.

Hoping you're right though and somehow you got a very fast better test so it's more likely accurate negative.

Either way, fell better fast!

I took a PCR test last week and got result that same day.  The first time I took PCR it took 2 days.
I guessed they are not as busy now but am not sure.

on2legs

nicknyr15 said:

on2legs said:

nicknyr15 said:

So that’s two confirmed cases from SHN. Just on these boards. Crazy. Wish both  a speedy recovery  

Confirmed?

Yes. Two people on these boards that were there tested positive for covid after. 

How is it confirmed they got it at the festival?

davidos

JH6056 said:

davidos said:

Went to SHN... developed cough and slight chills by wednesday. Got tested last night... thought for sure I had COVID... PCR test came back negative... big PHEW... doctor told me that Delta can spread outdoors and you can still get it if you are vaxxed. The weather here in NY has been a little nuts... Hot and humid, cold at night, in and out of AC... must be allergies... 

Just out of curiosity, do you really mean "PCR Test", or did you get a rapid test? Usually PCR takes a couple days to get the results, I'm thinking if you got tested last night and have results already, it was rapid test, which is documented less reliable than actual PCR.

Check and make sure you got the more accurate PCR before you write off Covid, because those symptoms are so classic covid, you want ot make sure you're not contagious.

Hoping you're right though and somehow you got a very fast better test so it's more likely accurate negative.

Either way, fell better fast!

Yes, for sure it was PCR. They have a PCR machine at the doctor's office I went to... Result in an hour. It was the full double nasal swab to the brain. I would not feel comfortable if it was the rapid test.

JH6056

davidos said:

JH6056 said:

davidos said:

Went to SHN... developed cough and slight chills by wednesday. Got tested last night... thought for sure I had COVID... PCR test came back negative... big PHEW... doctor told me that Delta can spread outdoors and you can still get it if you are vaxxed. The weather here in NY has been a little nuts... Hot and humid, cold at night, in and out of AC... must be allergies... 

Just out of curiosity, do you really mean "PCR Test", or did you get a rapid test? Usually PCR takes a couple days to get the results, I'm thinking if you got tested last night and have results already, it was rapid test, which is documented less reliable than actual PCR.

Check and make sure you got the more accurate PCR before you write off Covid, because those symptoms are so classic covid, you want ot make sure you're not contagious.

Hoping you're right though and somehow you got a very fast better test so it's more likely accurate negative.

Either way, fell better fast!

Yes, for sure it was PCR. They have a PCR machine at the doctor's office I went to... Result in an hour. It was the full double nasal swab to the brain. I would not feel comfortable if it was the rapid test.

Yup, nasal swab to the brain, that sounds like PCR! Good, glad you don't have it.

nicknyr15

on2legs said:

nicknyr15 said:

on2legs said:

nicknyr15 said:

So that’s two confirmed cases from SHN. Just on these boards. Crazy. Wish both  a speedy recovery  

Confirmed?

Yes. Two people on these boards that were there tested positive for covid after. 

How is it confirmed they got it at the festival?

I mean…. How would you ever know for sure? The fact is they tested positive after. So whether they got it there, or were there with it already is impossible to know. 

on2legs

nicknyr15 said:

on2legs said:

nicknyr15 said:

on2legs said:

nicknyr15 said:

So that’s two confirmed cases from SHN. Just on these boards. Crazy. Wish both  a speedy recovery  

Confirmed?

Yes. Two people on these boards that were there tested positive for covid after. 

How is it confirmed they got it at the festival?

I mean…. How would you ever know for sure? The fact is they tested positive after. So whether they got it there, or were there with it already is impossible to know. 

That’s kinda the opposite of confirmed. 

JH6056

on2legs said:

nicknyr15 said:

on2legs said:

nicknyr15 said:

on2legs said:

nicknyr15 said:

So that’s two confirmed cases from SHN. Just on these boards. Crazy. Wish both  a speedy recovery  

Confirmed?

Yes. Two people on these boards that were there tested positive for covid after. 

How is it confirmed they got it at the festival?

I mean…. How would you ever know for sure? The fact is they tested positive after. So whether they got it there, or were there with it already is impossible to know. 

That’s kinda the opposite of confirmed. 

Seems to me that if most people have a daily/weekly routine they've been doing throughout pandemic, and they've not gotten Covid, and then the 1 thing they do differently one time is last weekend they attend a music festival with 35,000 people at it, 99% unmasked, hopefully vast majority truly vaxxed or truly negative... and then the timing of the symptoms onset is about right for Delta... then really, why would you assume or think it likely that you did NOT get it there?  It is the one big different thing that was done, and especially if you were in the crowd holding a spot for PJ, you could be around strangers for hours.  Ocean breeze and all, it's still close proximity and if someone else has it, especially Delta V, that is a very likely scenario for transmission.

No, it's not "certain" where they got it. 

And most importantly, it's still HIGHLY UNLIKELY it will happen among majority vaxxed people.  For those going to Ohana, California is doing way better than NJ on vaxxing and the crowd that will want to be at Ohana is so much more likely to be vaxxed so... I felt good about being at SHN and I'd feel even better about going to Ohana if I was going.  But it also isn't surprising at all that it may have happened to a few people.