The elephant in the room....Covid and these Pearl Jam shows

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WindowPaine said:

everyone vaccinated/negative yet still afraid?! that seems highly irrational. 

No fully vaccinated person is immune from Delta. Just means you stand a better chance of not getting seriously ill or dying. Is that enough to scare people? Sure, how about people with little kids. Or immunocompromised folks. . 

OnWis97

Loujoe said:

It's in the air. Wipes dont help that.

"Wipe. Wipe. Wipe."
(For those Monk fans in the room)

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OnWis97 said:

Loujoe said:

It's in the air. Wipes dont help that.

"Wipe. Wipe. Wipe."
(For those Monk fans in the room)

Hahaha!

wall232

OnWis97 said:

Loujoe said:

It's in the air. Wipes dont help that.

"Wipe. Wipe. Wipe."
(For those Monk fans in the room)

I was a wiper prepademic. People are filthy! 

SVRDhand13

WindowPaine said:

everyone vaccinated/negative yet still afraid?! that seems highly irrational. 

Ledbetterman10 said:

WindowPaine said:

everyone vaccinated/negative yet still afraid?! that seems highly irrational. 

It's sad. This virus is going to control some people's lives for years to come. 

People can live with children, elderly and immunocompromised individuals. The concern is there to protect others.  Be grateful you don’t have those concerns. 

Ledbetterman10

SVRDhand13 said:

WindowPaine said:

everyone vaccinated/negative yet still afraid?! that seems highly irrational. 

Ledbetterman10 said:

WindowPaine said:

everyone vaccinated/negative yet still afraid?! that seems highly irrational. 

It's sad. This virus is going to control some people's lives for years to come. 

People can live with children, elderly and immunocompromised individuals. The concern is there to protect others.  Be grateful you don’t have those concerns. 

This is true. But there's also people that are just overly paranoid. And probably were pre-pandemic. If you were the type to be scared of things before COVID, then you're probably terrified of COVID. If you didn't give a fuck about anything pre-pandemic, you probably don't give a fuck about COVID. I'm pretty much in the middle. 

Did you wear a mask and/or stay six feet away from people at Sea Hear Now? 

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Ledbetterman10 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

WindowPaine said:

everyone vaccinated/negative yet still afraid?! that seems highly irrational. 

Ledbetterman10 said:

WindowPaine said:

everyone vaccinated/negative yet still afraid?! that seems highly irrational. 

It's sad. This virus is going to control some people's lives for years to come. 

People can live with children, elderly and immunocompromised individuals. The concern is there to protect others.  Be grateful you don’t have those concerns. 

This is true. But there's also people that are just overly paranoid. And probably were pre-pandemic. If you were the type to be scared of things before COVID, then you're probably terrified of COVID. If you didn't give a fuck about anything pre-pandemic, you probably don't give a fuck about COVID. I'm pretty much in the middle. 

Did you wear a mask and/or stay six feet away from people at Sea Hear Now? 

I'm in a third category. Not a fearful, scared person pre-pandemic in a general sense. Still mostly not, but COVID does scare me. It's an awful way to die, and completely preventable. My neighbor is an ER doc here in my hometown and he talks about how fucking awful it is watching people die because they can't breathe, having organs shut down, etc., and really all it takes right now, in this time, is to get vaccinated and use mitigation strategies until things get better, and they inevitably will, but not while we're in the middle of this thing mutating and evolving in ways to kill us better. 

emptycupinthemiddleofthesea

California has the lowest positivity rate and highest rate of vaccinated people in the country and cases continue to decline every day. This isn't Tennessee or Texas. Plus these shows are going to be outdoors, on the beach and they're requiring proof of vax or negative test. What is there to be worried about? Wear a mask and socially distant if you're scared or just don't go. Stop fear mongering and trying to ruin other people's good time.

I have a feeling all of the people expressing these doom and gloom concerns A. aren't in California and B. probably aren't even going.  

RiotAct10

emptycupinthemiddleofthesea said:

"California has the lowest positivity rate and highest rate of vaccinated people in the country"

I hate to be whatever, but I was curious so I researched both those claims, and neither of them appear to be true. Yes, they are near the top of both lists, I am just wondering where you are getting the information you put out there as facts from?

PJNB

RiotAct10 said:

emptycupinthemiddleofthesea said:

"California has the lowest positivity rate and highest rate of vaccinated people in the country"

I hate to be whatever, but I was curious so I researched both those claims, and neither of them appear to be true. Yes, they are near the top of both lists, I am just wondering where you are getting the information you put out there as facts from?

I know you are asking the OP but thought I would add California has the lowest case rate in the nation. It has a high vaccination rate compared to other states but is not number one. 

RiotAct10

PJNB said:

RiotAct10 said:

emptycupinthemiddleofthesea said:

"California has the lowest positivity rate and highest rate of vaccinated people in the country"

I hate to be whatever, but I was curious so I researched both those claims, and neither of them appear to be true. Yes, they are near the top of both lists, I am just wondering where you are getting the information you put out there as facts from?

I know you are asking the OP but thought I would add California has the lowest case rate in the nation. It has a high vaccination rate compared to other states but is not number one. 

I know the numbers there are good, and I appreciate that. I just don't like things thrown out there as facts or absolutes that aren't. Just being nitpicky is all. Also, in regard to the festival, I am not sure it is fair to use California numbers as something too significant, with people flying in from all over. Just saying.

PJNB

RiotAct10 said:

PJNB said:

RiotAct10 said:

emptycupinthemiddleofthesea said:

"California has the lowest positivity rate and highest rate of vaccinated people in the country"

I hate to be whatever, but I was curious so I researched both those claims, and neither of them appear to be true. Yes, they are near the top of both lists, I am just wondering where you are getting the information you put out there as facts from?

I know you are asking the OP but thought I would add California has the lowest case rate in the nation. It has a high vaccination rate compared to other states but is not number one. 

I know the numbers there are good, and I appreciate that. I just don't like things thrown out there as facts or absolutes that aren't. Just being nitpicky is all. Also, in regard to the festival, I am not sure it is fair to use California numbers as something too significant, with people flying in from all over. Just saying.

I am honestly more worried about catching covid travelling or eating food/ staying in hotels in California more so than the concert itself. Knowing the state is doing fairly well makes my wife and my decision that much easier to make the trip. People travelling to see PJ is definitely happening and should be factored into the conversation as well as you mentioned. I am now going to bow out of this convo since I was not the one making the claims. 

JH6056

WindowPaine said:

everyone vaccinated/negative yet still afraid?! that seems highly irrational. 

Actually I'd say you assuming people are "afraid" is what is highly irrational.  Saying one is still concerned or thoughtful or careful or cautious is not the same as hiding in one's basement wrapped in bubble wrap until 2025.  Some of us have all sorts of reasons for being extra cautious: we know vaxxed people who've gotten Delta in breakthrough cases, we live with people too young or medically fragile to be vaxxed, we know healthcare workers dealing with mostly unvaxxed really sick people but we don't want to add at all to their problems in anyway by passing it on in a breakthrough case...

It's possible to have real concerns or hesitations and also still be out and about and mostly feeling like the risks you're taking you've been thoughtful about.  I am not "afraid".  I'm a realist. 

And I'm a realist who went to SHN and would love to go to Ohana Encore.

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JH6056 said:

WindowPaine said:

everyone vaccinated/negative yet still afraid?! that seems highly irrational. 

Actually I'd say you assuming people are "afraid" is what is highly irrational.  Saying one is still concerned or thoughtful or careful or cautious is not the same as hiding in one's basement wrapped in bubble wrap until 2025.  Some of us have all sorts of reasons for being extra cautious: we know vaxxed people who've gotten Delta in breakthrough cases, we live with people too young or medically fragile to be vaxxed, we know healthcare workers dealing with mostly unvaxxed really sick people but we don't want to add at all to their problems in anyway by passing it on in a breakthrough case...

It's possible to have real concerns or hesitations and also still be out and about and mostly feeling like the risks you're taking you've been thoughtful about.  I am not "afraid".  I'm a realist. 

And I'm a realist who went to SHN and would love to go to Ohana Encore.

Well stated. Have a blast attendees! 

lexicondevil

Horse2345 said:

lexicondevil said:

I've been feeling pretty free and loose since I've been vaxxed. My neighbor who got J and J  found out his co-worker was positive while he was over at our house partying. We all kinda shit and still kept drinking. He later tested positive and we went through a rollercoaster week waiting to test and get results of our own. We all had the two other vaccines, so that probably was in our favor, but I literally took a sip from his shitty maple pear seltzer. I don't know how I got lucky. This has since made me be a lot more cautious. It is not the same as a little cold when you think of some of the quarantine requirements at jobs when you get Covid. That would have jacked up my sick time and being behind at work let alone my health. I will not attend any show not requiring vax cards. It's just not worth it.

It’s a respiratory virus so nearly impossible to get from shitty seltzer lol

Maybe it was difficult for you to infer, but we were close and talking and socializing. He didn't throw the can to me from across the room...

emptycupinthemiddleofthesea

RiotAct10 said:

emptycupinthemiddleofthesea said:

"California has the lowest positivity rate and highest rate of vaccinated people in the country"

I hate to be whatever, but I was curious so I researched both those claims, and neither of them appear to be true. Yes, they are near the top of both lists, I am just wondering where you are getting the information you put out there as facts from?

https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/california-case-rate-positivity-rate/

And you're right, California has only 71% vaccinated and is ranked 10th. BUT the population of California is equal to more than the top 9 states combined. So taking population into account, yes. We are number fuckin one. 

curmudgeoness

I'm in California. Fully vaccinated since March. Going both weekends. Taking my mask and hand sanitizer. Planning to stay back and avoid the pit/ heaviest crowds. Will wear my mask if I'm in line for food/ drinks, not sure about the rest of the time.

Normally, I don't wear a mask outdoors but I do wear one when shopping or at an indoor concert (we've been to a few -- classical, so older crowd, masks strictly enforced).

Am I paranoid? I don't think so; I just don't like taking unnecessary risks. My biggest covid fear is having "long COVID." I finally saw an article today noting how long COVID seems to be an autoimmune issue; having lived with an autoimmune disease for thirteen-odd years, it sure sounded like one to me. I'd rather not lose another year or two to brain fog and constant fatigue, so I'll take precautions when I feel the situation warrants it.

biz999

lexicondevil said:
He didn't throw the can to me from across the room...

You didn't bring your 6' straw?

F Me In The Brain

This went much longer than I anticipated before the mud started being thrown....

SVRDhand13

Ledbetterman10 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

WindowPaine said:

everyone vaccinated/negative yet still afraid?! that seems highly irrational. 

Ledbetterman10 said:

WindowPaine said:

everyone vaccinated/negative yet still afraid?! that seems highly irrational. 

It's sad. This virus is going to control some people's lives for years to come. 

People can live with children, elderly and immunocompromised individuals. The concern is there to protect others.  Be grateful you don’t have those concerns. 

This is true. But there's also people that are just overly paranoid. And probably were pre-pandemic. If you were the type to be scared of things before COVID, then you're probably terrified of COVID. If you didn't give a fuck about anything pre-pandemic, you probably don't give a fuck about COVID. I'm pretty much in the middle. 

Did you wear a mask and/or stay six feet away from people at Sea Hear Now? 

Yes, I did.  I wore a mask the entire time and I stayed the greatest distance I could from others, sometimes six feet was penetrated lol.  

And I'm happy I was extra cautious.  Others had a great time with no worries and I'm happy for them too.  We all have to do our own thing.  

If I was "scared", I would have stayed home.