so what is the deal with Josh Klinghoffer?

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  • Loujoe
    Loujoe Posts: 11,683
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    I bet he's not just for guitars....I think he's jack of all trades type of thing; percussion, backing vocals, maybe some lead vocals when ed needs a break, and Ed's third guitar parts if he just wants to sing. 
    You can see in the clips him having drums set up, and I think a keyboard behind him and him obviously singing etc.

    I think it is extremely far fetched to believe they would let him do lead vocals.. come on now people.

    How would that work? Unless it's a "Matt singing Black Diamond" kind of thing... "wouldn't it be fun if we did ABBA:s SOS and have the new kid sing the parts Pierce Brosnan PERFECTED in the Mama Mia! movie?"
    when I said "lead vocals" I mean he is background, but singing the same as Ed, in case Ed needs a short breather to fill in the gaps. 
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  • The Juggler
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    lowbudgetlush said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I'm pretty sure josh played ed's guitar part on never destination.  Otherwise you wouldn't really know he was there.  
    I heard added percussion and backing vocals throughout the set 
    This is great! Make Who You Are a set list staple this tour. With the added percussion it could sound even better.
    This guy's speaking my language. 
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  • NewJPage
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    One thing I've never thought necessary was a 5th guy singing backing vocals or a 4th guitar playing power chords. There is already plenty in the mix. This just seems unnecessary.
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  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,459
    NewJPage said:
    One thing I've never thought necessary was a 5th guy singing backing vocals or a 4th guitar playing power chords. There is already plenty in the mix. This just seems unnecessary.
    Let’s let the bootlegs decide! 
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  • NewJPage
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    2-feign-reluctance said:
    NewJPage said:
    One thing I've never thought necessary was a 5th guy singing backing vocals or a 4th guitar playing power chords. There is already plenty in the mix. This just seems unnecessary.
    Let’s let the bootlegs decide! 
    My guess is he'll be real low in the mix (like boom usually is) which makes it seem again, unneccessary. But yes we will see!
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  • fall by the wayside
    fall by the wayside Jericho, VT Posts: 759
    NewJPage said:
    One thing I've never thought necessary was a 5th guy singing backing vocals or a 4th guitar playing power chords. There is already plenty in the mix. This just seems unnecessary.
    This is where I’m at. 
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  • 100 Pacer
    100 Pacer Toronto, ON Posts: 9,321
    After the last 18 months this is what people are losing their minds over?
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  • BloodMeridian80
    BloodMeridian80 Seattle Posts: 715
    Did he play guitar throughout the set? If he plays the 'third' guitar on some songs allowing Eddie not to play, it could lead to better vocals. Jeff/Stone/Mike can make noise with their mouths that can pass as backing vocals, but Matt is really the only one that is qualified to my ears. On top of that, if he's adding percussion or other sounds/instruments for certain songs to better capture/present the sound the band wants, I'm for it. I guess I don't see a downside as long as it continues to be a support/background role.
  • iOnlyownMymind
    iOnlyownMymind Posts: 2,952
    100 Pacer said:
    After the last 18 months this is what people are losing their minds over?
    Seems like a conversation to me?   
  • OceansJenny
    OceansJenny Manhattan, NY Posts: 3,409
    BloodMeridian80 said:
    Jeff/Stone/Mike can make noise with their mouths that can pass as backing vocals
    :lol: the perfect description
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  • NewJPage
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    BloodMeridian80 said:
    Did he play guitar throughout the set? If he plays the 'third' guitar on some songs allowing Eddie not to play, it could lead to better vocals. Jeff/Stone/Mike can make noise with their mouths that can pass as backing vocals, but Matt is really the only one that is qualified to my ears. On top of that, if he's adding percussion or other sounds/instruments for certain songs to better capture/present the sound the band wants, I'm for it. I guess I don't see a downside as long as it continues to be a support/background role.
    Is this something that concerned you with live performances over the past THIRTY YEARS?
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,590
    There are bands sometimes that have someone below the stage or somewhere that provides additional music. 
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  • The_Giant_Midget
    The_Giant_Midget Los Angeles Posts: 599
    i was 5/6 people off the rail, dead center in front of Ed. very odd people don't think Josh's addition is a good thing. Ed isn't getting any younger, he can play a ton of parts on multiple instruments and he seemed very into it. Mike/Jeff were interacting with him all show. plus, it was only for a portion of the set (mainly the newer stuff). chill out
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  • igotid88
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    Most of the people complaining didn't even watch it or did watch and didn't notice until it was reported. And if they didn't notice it means it didn't affect the show in the negative 
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  • SomethingCreative
    SomethingCreative Kazoo, MI Posts: 3,409
    The Klinghoffer haters are probably still waiting for Dave A to come back too 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    SomethingCreative said:
    The Klinghoffer haters are probably still waiting for Dave A to come back too 
    Why would that be?
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  • Loujoe
    Loujoe Posts: 11,683
    Dude rocked with the rhcp! I'd love to hear him and mike do an of the earth shred off.
  • BloodMeridian80
    BloodMeridian80 Seattle Posts: 715
    NewJPage said:
    BloodMeridian80 said:
    Did he play guitar throughout the set? If he plays the 'third' guitar on some songs allowing Eddie not to play, it could lead to better vocals. Jeff/Stone/Mike can make noise with their mouths that can pass as backing vocals, but Matt is really the only one that is qualified to my ears. On top of that, if he's adding percussion or other sounds/instruments for certain songs to better capture/present the sound the band wants, I'm for it. I guess I don't see a downside as long as it continues to be a support/background role.
    Is this something that concerned you with live performances over the past THIRTY YEARS?
    Personally, no, certainly not 15 or 20 of those years. I have noticed Ed’s vocals change over the last decade. He still sounds great overall but certain things he can struggle with over the course of show/tour - high notes, sustain. Also, many songs on BS and LB didn’t translate live, IMO. Gigaton songs sounded great overall. Again, what’s the downside of Josh? 

  • steven87
    steven87 Posts: 1,722
    With the exception of the people within the first 150 feet or so of the stage, if Ed hadn’t announced that Josh was helping out, the rest of the audience probably would have had no idea that he was even there. I thought he was a nice addition though and they used him well. The background vocals sounded good and I liked the slightly slowed down tempo of some of the songs (corduroy, present tense, even flow). 
  • MF658872
    MF658872 Posts: 255
    steven87 said:
    With the exception of the people within the first 150 feet or so of the stage, if Ed hadn’t announced that Josh was helping out, the rest of the audience probably would have had no idea that he was even there. I thought he was a nice addition though and they used him well. The background vocals sounded good and I liked the slightly slowed down tempo of some of the songs (corduroy, present tense, even flow). 
    Yeah, I had no idea he was there until Ed announced it.
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  • Force Of Nature
    Force Of Nature York, England Posts: 1,130
    Were there any songs/parts Ed didnt play that he usually does now that Josh was helping?  Or was it more additional layers on top of the norm?
  • steven87
    steven87 Posts: 1,722
    Force Of Nature said:
    Were there any songs/parts Ed didnt play that he usually does now that Josh was helping?  Or was it more additional layers on top of the norm?
    Not that I noticed; I think it was just the latter. The only real differences I noticed were stronger background vocals and the tempo of certain songs. 
  • BloodMeridian80
    BloodMeridian80 Seattle Posts: 715
    Force Of Nature said:
    Were there any songs/parts Ed didnt play that he usually does now that Josh was helping?  Or was it more additional layers on top of the norm?
    I think Ed played guitar on Superblood for the album. His tiny animated self did at least.
  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,590
    BloodMeridian80 said:
    Force Of Nature said:
    Were there any songs/parts Ed didnt play that he usually does now that Josh was helping?  Or was it more additional layers on top of the norm?
    I think Ed played guitar on Superblood for the album. His tiny animated self did at least.
    Yea and he didn't play it live
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  • thomascbullock
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    steven87 said:
    I liked the slightly slowed down tempo of some of the songs (corduroy, present tense, even flow). 
    The drums on the intro to Corduroy being more reminiscent of the album version was kind of cool. Not that I didn’t like what Matt did before, but nice to change it up in that way.
  • steven87
    steven87 Posts: 1,722
    thomascbullock said:
    steven87 said:
    I liked the slightly slowed down tempo of some of the songs (corduroy, present tense, even flow). 
    The drums on the intro to Corduroy being more reminiscent of the album version was kind of cool. Not that I didn’t like what Matt did before, but nice to change it up in that way.
    Agreed! It was cool hearing live renditions of corduroy, GTF, even flow, etc. that sounded closer to the album versions.
  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,459
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    SomethingCreative said:
    The Klinghoffer haters are probably still waiting for Dave A to come back too 
    Why would that be?
    Cos’ they pine for a version of the band that has been gone for a long, long time now and don’t like anything new happening to Pearl Jam
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  • CO278952
    CO278952 Orlando, FL Posts: 1,451
    edited September 2021
    Josh Klinghoffer and Chad Smith are credited on Eddie’s Long Way track. Not sure if that was reported around here or not but if you play the track on Apple Music with the lyrics on you see the song writing credit at the end. For me personally not sure I am a fan of the add and assume it’s just for these festival dates to throw him a bone for missing out on the opener gig in spring 2020. 
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  • JV130312
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    So there's a shortage of everything in this world...but not on guitar players in Pearl Jam. Cool.
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  • igotid88
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    CO278952 said:
    Josh Klinghoffer and Chad Smith are credited on Eddie’s Long Way track. Not sure if that was reported around here or not but if you play the track on Apple Music with the lyrics on you see the song writing credit at the end. For me personally not sure I am a fan of the add and assume it’s just for these festival dates to throw him a bone for missing out on the opener gig in spring 2020. 
    It was. Also Andrew Watt and Benmont Tench with Harper on vocals
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