Jan 6 Select Committee

Cropduster-80

Merkin Baller said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

“Do you believe in the peaceful transfer of power in the United States of America?”

”Fifth.”

And we’re talking about the “coffee girl?”

Bro, she wasn't invited to Marilala.

It makes perfect sense that she would testify and lie under oath. 

Trump barely knew her, also, he only heard bad things about her. 

They are going to go at her hard.

She’s got the advantage of being white though, not the case with Ruby Freeman.
Trump called Freeman a "professional vote scammer" and a "hustler." Giuliani said that Moss and Freeman had been passing around USB ports like "vials of cocaine or heroin." 

All over handing someone a mint 

Merkin Baller

Cropduster-80 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

“Do you believe in the peaceful transfer of power in the United States of America?”

”Fifth.”

And we’re talking about the “coffee girl?”

Bro, she wasn't invited to Marilala.

It makes perfect sense that she would testify and lie under oath. 

Trump barely knew her, also, he only heard bad things about her. 

They are going to go at her hard.

She’s got the advantage of being white though, not the case with Ruby Freeman.
Trump called Freeman a "professional vote scammer" and a "hustler." Giuliani said that Moss and Freeman had been passing around USB ports like "vials of cocaine or heroin." (Moss said  that her mother had been handing her a "ginger mint," not a USB drive.)

This is why I don't believe that she would have testified to nurse a grudge. The amount of bullshit and harassment that they're going to get from the cult isn't worth it. 

mrussel1

OnWis97 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjhawks said:

OnWis97 said:

Cassidy Hutchinson is the most likely person to end up in prison when this is all over.

for what?

Trump will be charged but will never get convicted and go to prison.  if charged his lawyers will just drag it out until he dies. he is getting old and is not in shape.  how many years does he have left?

onwis thinks Trump will be back in power in 24 and will have all of his enemies arrested and jailed indefinitely while he throws out election laws and becomes king of america. 

I appreciate your attempt at exaggeration but this is not exaggeration at all. This is what I believe. 

Well, except it will be 2025. And it may or may not be Trump...could be DeSantis.

How did she perjure herself?  Even if the SS comes back and say it didn't happen the way she described, she was recounting a conversation with someone who said they were witness to the event.  Legally, it was hearsay.  The secret service rebutting doesn't make it perjury on her part.  Who is to say that Tony person didn't tell her that's what happened?  

Merkin Baller

https://morningshots.thebulwark.com/p/cassidy-was-trumps-worst-nightmare?s=w&utm_medium=web

“To use Trump’s own term, she looked like she was from “central casting,” and she made for great television. Which is why TrumpWorld absolutely, positively will work feverishly to discredit her testimony. Which, of course, is already underway.“


It sure is. 

cblock4life

My apologies if this was answered before/somewhere….. so I remember hearing that they don’t like calling secret service to testify but they can….so are they using the  “tradition” excuse again and not going to make these guys testify? 

Cropduster-80

cblock4life said:

My apologies if this was answered before/somewhere….. so I remember hearing that they don’t like calling secret service to testify but they can….so are they using the  “tradition” excuse again and not going to make these guys testify? 

You can, it’s been done before.

you can’t force a priest or Melania to testify about what he said to them though.  To me it’s similar in why it’s complicated and not so much being a tradition.  I can only imagine the illegalities they have witnessed in their history 

if you can get the information elsewhere you absolutely should. I would guess it may happen before this is over 

mrussel1

cblock4life said:

My apologies if this was answered before/somewhere….. so I remember hearing that they don’t like calling secret service to testify but they can….so are they using the  “tradition” excuse again and not going to make these guys testify? 

Personally I think this particular issue is a distraction and just sensationalism.  Unless you're going to charge the president with assault against the agent, it doesn't matter.  Trump's words where he said he didn't care that people had weapons and to get rid of the "mags" is much more important and radical.  

Merkin Baller

mrussel1 said:

cblock4life said:

My apologies if this was answered before/somewhere….. so I remember hearing that they don’t like calling secret service to testify but they can….so are they using the  “tradition” excuse again and not going to make these guys testify? 

Personally I think this particular issue is a distraction and just sensationalism.  Unless you're going to charge the president with assault against the agent, it doesn't matter.  Trump's words where he said he didn't care that people had weapons and to get rid of the "mags" is much more important and radical.  

1000%

OnWis97

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjhawks said:

OnWis97 said:

Cassidy Hutchinson is the most likely person to end up in prison when this is all over.

for what?

Trump will be charged but will never get convicted and go to prison.  if charged his lawyers will just drag it out until he dies. he is getting old and is not in shape.  how many years does he have left?

onwis thinks Trump will be back in power in 24 and will have all of his enemies arrested and jailed indefinitely while he throws out election laws and becomes king of america. 

I appreciate your attempt at exaggeration but this is not exaggeration at all. This is what I believe. 

Well, except it will be 2025. And it may or may not be Trump...could be DeSantis.

How did she perjure herself?  Even if the SS comes back and say it didn't happen the way she described, she was recounting a conversation with someone who said they were witness to the event.  Legally, it was hearsay.  The secret service rebutting doesn't make it perjury on her part.  Who is to say that Tony person didn't tell her that's what happened?  

She didn't. I see a future in which people that show this kinda disloyalty to the party are punished, anyway.

OnWis97

mrussel1 said:

cblock4life said:

My apologies if this was answered before/somewhere….. so I remember hearing that they don’t like calling secret service to testify but they can….so are they using the  “tradition” excuse again and not going to make these guys testify? 

Personally I think this particular issue is a distraction and just sensationalism.  Unless you're going to charge the president with assault against the agent, it doesn't matter.  Trump's words where he said he didn't care that people had weapons and to get rid of the "mags" is much more important and radical.  

It was probably on par with the second degree assault* on Rudy a few days ago.

*reduced charge after the film was shown.

Cropduster-80

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

cblock4life said:

My apologies if this was answered before/somewhere….. so I remember hearing that they don’t like calling secret service to testify but they can….so are they using the  “tradition” excuse again and not going to make these guys testify? 

Personally I think this particular issue is a distraction and just sensationalism.  Unless you're going to charge the president with assault against the agent, it doesn't matter.  Trump's words where he said he didn't care that people had weapons and to get rid of the "mags" is much more important and radical.  

It was probably on par with the second degree assault* on Rudy a few days ago.

*reduced charge after the film was shown.

I’m sure that’s it going to be a case of  “he fell down the stairs” if it ever came to that. 

  In any case I think any agent would downplay an assault in this context to avoid being the victim of an overweight old man.  Kind of makes you less macho to say anything different. 

pjhawks

mrussel1 said:

cblock4life said:

My apologies if this was answered before/somewhere….. so I remember hearing that they don’t like calling secret service to testify but they can….so are they using the  “tradition” excuse again and not going to make these guys testify? 

Personally I think this particular issue is a distraction and just sensationalism.  Unless you're going to charge the president with assault against the agent, it doesn't matter.  Trump's words where he said he didn't care that people had weapons and to get rid of the "mags" is much more important and radical.  

agree also.  not sure what the point of the story was.  could have just said Trump was angry at being sent back to the White House against his wishes. I guess they are trying to establish how much he wanted to go to the Capitol but they have pretty much already established that.

static111

mrussel1 said:

cblock4life said:

My apologies if this was answered before/somewhere….. so I remember hearing that they don’t like calling secret service to testify but they can….so are they using the  “tradition” excuse again and not going to make these guys testify? 

Personally I think this particular issue is a distraction and just sensationalism.  Unless you're going to charge the president with assault against the agent, it doesn't matter.  Trump's words where he said he didn't care that people had weapons and to get rid of the "mags" is much more important and radical.  

Trump's alleged words. Still needs to be proved. I'm not holding my breath. I know, Debbie Downer wah wah wah, but We can't just start putting words in other people's mouths just because we find them to be appalling people that have no business leading anything.

Lerxst1992

pjhawks said:

mrussel1 said:

cblock4life said:

My apologies if this was answered before/somewhere….. so I remember hearing that they don’t like calling secret service to testify but they can….so are they using the  “tradition” excuse again and not going to make these guys testify? 

Personally I think this particular issue is a distraction and just sensationalism.  Unless you're going to charge the president with assault against the agent, it doesn't matter.  Trump's words where he said he didn't care that people had weapons and to get rid of the "mags" is much more important and radical.  

agree also.  not sure what the point of the story was.  could have just said Trump was angry at being sent back to the White House against his wishes. I guess they are trying to establish how much he wanted to go to the Capitol but they have pretty much already established that.

I agree the mags issue is huge, but so is the SS angle. 

We are talking about an American president wanting to ride in Mussolini style to Capitol Hill assume the power of congress and probably threaten Pences life in person. Had he done that, we’d either have a bloody revolution or trump indicted in Jan 2020. Either way, it’s a historic moment (that exact moment when he physically fought with the SS) in American history and the SS played a paramount role in what happened.

The SS can not only corroborate her testimony, but since they possibly saved trump from indictment had he pulled a Mussolini, it has become significant to the events right at the moment congress was attacked. 

SS  also likely ignored a presidential order to possibly take him to congress. The ignore part is also huge and historic.

static111

Lerxst1992 said:

pjhawks said:

mrussel1 said:

cblock4life said:

My apologies if this was answered before/somewhere….. so I remember hearing that they don’t like calling secret service to testify but they can….so are they using the  “tradition” excuse again and not going to make these guys testify? 

Personally I think this particular issue is a distraction and just sensationalism.  Unless you're going to charge the president with assault against the agent, it doesn't matter.  Trump's words where he said he didn't care that people had weapons and to get rid of the "mags" is much more important and radical.  

agree also.  not sure what the point of the story was.  could have just said Trump was angry at being sent back to the White House against his wishes. I guess they are trying to establish how much he wanted to go to the Capitol but they have pretty much already established that.

I agree the mags issue is huge, but so is the SS angle. 

We are talking about an American president wanting to ride in Mussolini style to Capitol Hill assume the power of congress and probably threaten Pences life in person. Had he done that, we’d either have a bloody revolution or trump indicted in Jan 2020. Either way, it’s a historic moment (that exact moment when he physically fought with the SS) in American history and the SS played a paramount role in what happened.

The SS can not only corroborate her testimony, but since they possibly saved trump from indictment had he pulled a Mussolini, it has become significant to the events right at the moment congress was attacked. 

SS  also likely ignored a presidential order to possibly take him to congress. The ignore part is also huge and historic.

Allegedly, to my knowledge none of this has been backed up, no?

Lerxst1992

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

pjhawks said:

mrussel1 said:

cblock4life said:

My apologies if this was answered before/somewhere….. so I remember hearing that they don’t like calling secret service to testify but they can….so are they using the  “tradition” excuse again and not going to make these guys testify? 

Personally I think this particular issue is a distraction and just sensationalism.  Unless you're going to charge the president with assault against the agent, it doesn't matter.  Trump's words where he said he didn't care that people had weapons and to get rid of the "mags" is much more important and radical.  

agree also.  not sure what the point of the story was.  could have just said Trump was angry at being sent back to the White House against his wishes. I guess they are trying to establish how much he wanted to go to the Capitol but they have pretty much already established that.

I agree the mags issue is huge, but so is the SS angle. 

We are talking about an American president wanting to ride in Mussolini style to Capitol Hill assume the power of congress and probably threaten Pences life in person. Had he done that, we’d either have a bloody revolution or trump indicted in Jan 2020. Either way, it’s a historic moment (that exact moment when he physically fought with the SS) in American history and the SS played a paramount role in what happened.

The SS can not only corroborate her testimony, but since they possibly saved trump from indictment had he pulled a Mussolini, it has become significant to the events right at the moment congress was attacked. 

SS  also likely ignored a presidential order to possibly take him to congress. The ignore part is also huge and historic.

Allegedly, to my knowledge none of this has been backed up, no?

Which makes it compelling to hear the SS side, it’s the exact moment the world could have changed for every American.

static111

Lerxst1992 said:

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

pjhawks said:

mrussel1 said:

cblock4life said:

My apologies if this was answered before/somewhere….. so I remember hearing that they don’t like calling secret service to testify but they can….so are they using the  “tradition” excuse again and not going to make these guys testify? 

Personally I think this particular issue is a distraction and just sensationalism.  Unless you're going to charge the president with assault against the agent, it doesn't matter.  Trump's words where he said he didn't care that people had weapons and to get rid of the "mags" is much more important and radical.  

agree also.  not sure what the point of the story was.  could have just said Trump was angry at being sent back to the White House against his wishes. I guess they are trying to establish how much he wanted to go to the Capitol but they have pretty much already established that.

I agree the mags issue is huge, but so is the SS angle. 

We are talking about an American president wanting to ride in Mussolini style to Capitol Hill assume the power of congress and probably threaten Pences life in person. Had he done that, we’d either have a bloody revolution or trump indicted in Jan 2020. Either way, it’s a historic moment (that exact moment when he physically fought with the SS) in American history and the SS played a paramount role in what happened.

The SS can not only corroborate her testimony, but since they possibly saved trump from indictment had he pulled a Mussolini, it has become significant to the events right at the moment congress was attacked. 

SS  also likely ignored a presidential order to possibly take him to congress. The ignore part is also huge and historic.

Allegedly, to my knowledge none of this has been backed up, no?

Which makes it compelling to hear the SS side, it’s the exact moment the world could have changed for every American.

If any of this is true I wish they would have let him cross a line before they stopped him so at least there would be some solid proof.

mrussel1

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

cblock4life said:

My apologies if this was answered before/somewhere….. so I remember hearing that they don’t like calling secret service to testify but they can….so are they using the  “tradition” excuse again and not going to make these guys testify? 

Personally I think this particular issue is a distraction and just sensationalism.  Unless you're going to charge the president with assault against the agent, it doesn't matter.  Trump's words where he said he didn't care that people had weapons and to get rid of the "mags" is much more important and radical.  

Trump's alleged words. Still needs to be proved. I'm not holding my breath. I know, Debbie Downer wah wah wah, but We can't just start putting words in other people's mouths just because we find them to be appalling people that have no business leading anything.

She was a direct witness to the words about the weapons and turning off the mags.  Direct witness testimony (not hearsay) is absolutely evidence.  Now that alone is not a crime and I'm still not 100% sure what the crime would be other than seditious conspiracy.  But I think the court of public opinion is what is critical here.  I don't see Trump getting charged regardless, but I do see his one downs getting charged, just like Watergate.  

Lerxst1992

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

pjhawks said:

mrussel1 said:

cblock4life said:

My apologies if this was answered before/somewhere….. so I remember hearing that they don’t like calling secret service to testify but they can….so are they using the  “tradition” excuse again and not going to make these guys testify? 

Personally I think this particular issue is a distraction and just sensationalism.  Unless you're going to charge the president with assault against the agent, it doesn't matter.  Trump's words where he said he didn't care that people had weapons and to get rid of the "mags" is much more important and radical.  

agree also.  not sure what the point of the story was.  could have just said Trump was angry at being sent back to the White House against his wishes. I guess they are trying to establish how much he wanted to go to the Capitol but they have pretty much already established that.

I agree the mags issue is huge, but so is the SS angle. 

We are talking about an American president wanting to ride in Mussolini style to Capitol Hill assume the power of congress and probably threaten Pences life in person. Had he done that, we’d either have a bloody revolution or trump indicted in Jan 2020. Either way, it’s a historic moment (that exact moment when he physically fought with the SS) in American history and the SS played a paramount role in what happened.

The SS can not only corroborate her testimony, but since they possibly saved trump from indictment had he pulled a Mussolini, it has become significant to the events right at the moment congress was attacked. 

SS  also likely ignored a presidential order to possibly take him to congress. The ignore part is also huge and historic.

Allegedly, to my knowledge none of this has been backed up, no?

Which makes it compelling to hear the SS side, it’s the exact moment the world could have changed for every American.

If any of this is true I wish they would have let him cross a line before they stopped him so at least there would be some solid proof.

Don’t be a Debbie downer, we have thousands of journalists calling thousands of sources since the testimony

To me, it’s doesn’t matter if he hit an SS agent or just yelled, the essential fact is did he want to be at the assault on the Capitol at the moment it happened, and under what authority was his request denied?

Some reporting from NYT today,

” Secret Service officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said that both Mr. Engel and Mr. Ornato would dispute that Mr. Trump tried to grab the wheel of the car or that Mr. Engel was struck. They said the two men would not dispute that Mr. Trump wanted to be driven to the Capitol as the angry pro-Trump protesters, some of them armed, headed in that direction and Congress was gathered to ratify that he had lost the election”

static111

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

cblock4life said:

My apologies if this was answered before/somewhere….. so I remember hearing that they don’t like calling secret service to testify but they can….so are they using the  “tradition” excuse again and not going to make these guys testify? 

Personally I think this particular issue is a distraction and just sensationalism.  Unless you're going to charge the president with assault against the agent, it doesn't matter.  Trump's words where he said he didn't care that people had weapons and to get rid of the "mags" is much more important and radical.  

Trump's alleged words. Still needs to be proved. I'm not holding my breath. I know, Debbie Downer wah wah wah, but We can't just start putting words in other people's mouths just because we find them to be appalling people that have no business leading anything.

She was a direct witness to the words about the weapons and turning off the mags.  Direct witness testimony (not hearsay) is absolutely evidence.  Now that alone is not a crime and I'm still not 100% sure what the crime would be other than seditious conspiracy.  But I think the court of public opinion is what is critical here.  I don't see Trump getting charged regardless, but I do see his one downs getting charged, just like Watergate.  

I agree in a sane USA with a functioning court system.  With the warp that trump seems to cause with everything he does I don't think that uncorroborated witness testimony is strong evidence. If this was '72 and anyone in DC had a modicum of respect I think what we have seen so far would have actually been a slam dunk several times over.  With Trump and the new reality of two Americas I think it is a nothing burger.

Lerxst1992 said:

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

pjhawks said:

mrussel1 said:

cblock4life said:

My apologies if this was answered before/somewhere….. so I remember hearing that they don’t like calling secret service to testify but they can….so are they using the  “tradition” excuse again and not going to make these guys testify? 

Personally I think this particular issue is a distraction and just sensationalism.  Unless you're going to charge the president with assault against the agent, it doesn't matter.  Trump's words where he said he didn't care that people had weapons and to get rid of the "mags" is much more important and radical.  

agree also.  not sure what the point of the story was.  could have just said Trump was angry at being sent back to the White House against his wishes. I guess they are trying to establish how much he wanted to go to the Capitol but they have pretty much already established that.

I agree the mags issue is huge, but so is the SS angle. 

We are talking about an American president wanting to ride in Mussolini style to Capitol Hill assume the power of congress and probably threaten Pences life in person. Had he done that, we’d either have a bloody revolution or trump indicted in Jan 2020. Either way, it’s a historic moment (that exact moment when he physically fought with the SS) in American history and the SS played a paramount role in what happened.

The SS can not only corroborate her testimony, but since they possibly saved trump from indictment had he pulled a Mussolini, it has become significant to the events right at the moment congress was attacked. 

SS  also likely ignored a presidential order to possibly take him to congress. The ignore part is also huge and historic.

Allegedly, to my knowledge none of this has been backed up, no?

Which makes it compelling to hear the SS side, it’s the exact moment the world could have changed for every American.

If any of this is true I wish they would have let him cross a line before they stopped him so at least there would be some solid proof.

Don’t be a Debbie downer, we have thousands of journalists calling thousands of sources since the testimony

To me, it’s doesn’t matter if he hit an SS agent or just yelled, the essential fact is did he want to be at the assault on the Capitol at the moment it happened, and under what authority was his request denied?

Some reporting from NYT today,

” Secret Service officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said that both Mr. Engel and Mr. Ornato would dispute that Mr. Trump tried to grab the wheel of the car or that Mr. Engel was struck. They said the two men would not dispute that Mr. Trump wanted to be driven to the Capitol as the angry pro-Trump protesters, some of them armed, headed in that direction and Congress was gathered to ratify that he had lost the election”

I can't help it. I have to get all my negativity out before I leave for vacation.