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  • Cropduster-80
    Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited June 2022
    The Juggler said:
    Cropduster-80 said:
    The more I think about it, the most compelling part of the testimony today was the sheer number of different people she overheard and had interactions with. It’s extremely hard to refute unless all these people testify and lie under oath. 

    If she was stuck in Meadow’s office all day and just talked to Meadows it would be less damaging.  He could say no I didn’t say that and then it’s her word against his 

    It’s not a he said she said situation with no one else present. 

    some of it was second hand sure (meadow’s told me Trump said etc) but the people she heard were the inner circle. It was so specific and detailed too

    She was a great witness. Exceeded my expectations actually.

    Now they need to get Cipolline, Meadows, the driver Trump lunged at, etc, etc to corroborate what she said and boom---that is a pretty air tight case.
    Yeah, the White House counsel is the linchpin.  Plus he can save himself. She gave him an out saying he was running all over the place trying to stop some of it. 

    If he wasn’t 100 percent on board anyway, she just might have forced his hand.  He already doesn’t look good to trump world.  Grab the life boat man 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Gee, I wonder if Obama ever threw his White House dining wear across the room so the ketchup dribbled down the wall? I wonder if anyone had to remind him that it’s the people’s house and that he’s a guest and to mind his manners?


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  • gimmesometruth27
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    you know what?

    i am really starting to believe that antifa was not responsible for the 1/6 riot...
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    gimmesometruth27 said:
    you know what?

    i am really starting to believe that antifa was not responsible for the 1/6 riot...
    What planet are you on????
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    “Let my people in!” POOTWH demanding that armed protesters be allowed into his rally at the Ellipse. The same people that would March on the Capitol and assault Capitol police officers.

    ”Let my people in!”

    Way to back the blue.
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  • mickeyrat
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    you know what?

    i am really starting to believe that antifa was not responsible for the 1/6 riot...
    What planet are you on????

    planet sarcasm?
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  • brianlux
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    gimmesometruth27 said:
    there is going to be violence either way. no matter what happens, there will be violence.

    people are going to be protesting in dc calling for trump to be arrested, and counter protesters will show up and there will be violence then.

    there are sleeper cells all over the place. we know the proud boys and that type, but there are cells that are just lying low waiting to attack if trump gets arrested. 

    in the end the government must send the message that a- what trump did was not okay and anybody involved is going to jail, or b- what trump did is not cool but whatever he was a president so he gets away with everything.

    in my opinion, we have to go with option a, no matter how painful the repercussions. what he did must not be allowed to be unchecked. because the next person to try it will succeed knowing that they face no real consequences. sedition must not go unpunished ever.

    Yeah, I hate to have to agree with this, but I don't see how it's avoidable.  I live in one of the most conservative counties in California (yes, folks, they do exist, and this one is definitely more Trump territory than not), and I can feel the anger and hate.   I don't get out a whole lot these days, but generally when I do, the anger is there.  It can be sensed it in the tones of voice, facial expression, body language of people. 
    Another thing I've noticed:  the target shooting has scaled way back around here.  That's great news for my ears and my anxiety, but there's also a dark side to this.  Ammo is getting harder to come by and people are hoarding it.  I read one guy on another forum mention having the ability to produce hundreds of thousands of rounds.  A lot of the pro gun people know how to produce ammunition via "reloading". 
    I go out of my way to not piss off people around here.  It sucks to be so wary, but it is what it is.  I think unless one is a warrior type, it is best to not stir the hornets' nest.  I admire the warriors (men and women) but I'm not built that way.

    I also tend to go with option A.  If 45 just gets a slap on the hand, the door is wide open. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mickeyrat said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    you know what?

    i am really starting to believe that antifa was not responsible for the 1/6 riot...
    What planet are you on????

    planet sarcasm?
    There’s two? Who knew?
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  • benjs
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    brianlux said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    there is going to be violence either way. no matter what happens, there will be violence.

    people are going to be protesting in dc calling for trump to be arrested, and counter protesters will show up and there will be violence then.

    there are sleeper cells all over the place. we know the proud boys and that type, but there are cells that are just lying low waiting to attack if trump gets arrested. 

    in the end the government must send the message that a- what trump did was not okay and anybody involved is going to jail, or b- what trump did is not cool but whatever he was a president so he gets away with everything.

    in my opinion, we have to go with option a, no matter how painful the repercussions. what he did must not be allowed to be unchecked. because the next person to try it will succeed knowing that they face no real consequences. sedition must not go unpunished ever.

    Yeah, I hate to have to agree with this, but I don't see how it's avoidable.  I live in one of the most conservative counties in California (yes, folks, they do exist, and this one is definitely more Trump territory than not), and I can feel the anger and hate.   I don't get out a whole lot these days, but generally when I do, the anger is there.  It can be sensed it in the tones of voice, facial expression, body language of people. 
    Another thing I've noticed:  the target shooting has scaled way back around here.  That's great news for my ears and my anxiety, but there's also a dark side to this.  Ammo is getting harder to come by and people are hoarding it.  I read one guy on another forum mention having the ability to produce hundreds of thousands of rounds.  A lot of the pro gun people know how to produce ammunition via "reloading". 
    I go out of my way to not piss off people around here.  It sucks to be so wary, but it is what it is.  I think unless one is a warrior type, it is best to not stir the hornets' nest.  I admire the warriors (men and women) but I'm not built that way.

    I also tend to go with option A.  If 45 just gets a slap on the hand, the door is wide open. 
    To be honest, if a former POTUS actually gets charged successfully, I think it'll signal a new era that ceases to tolerate this nonsense. 

    One more thing - I truly can't wrap my head around the presidential pardon. It's such an obvious opportunity for abuse, and this saga tells that story perfectly.
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  • static111
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    Is there anything to corroborate the testimony?  So far this looks like a chance to sensationalize the TV aspect of the hearing.  It seems like a lot of people are spiking the ball and celebrating.  Am I missing something from this testimony that can't be denied or refuted by others?
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  • OnWis97
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    Ironically, I think the limo story might serve to save Trump. People are coming out of the woodwork to say that it’s not true and if it’s not true the rest of what she said will be deemed untrue.
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  • Merkin Baller
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    static111 said:
    Is there anything to corroborate the testimony?  So far this looks like a chance to sensationalize the TV aspect of the hearing.  It seems like a lot of people are spiking the ball and celebrating.  Am I missing something from this testimony that can't be denied or refuted by others?

    In a sane world, testimony under oath would carry more weight than claims made by people who won't / refuse to testify under oath. 


    I understand it isn't a sane world, though. 
  • Merkin Baller
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    OnWis97 said:
    Ironically, I think the limo story might serve to save Trump. People are coming out of the woodwork to say that it’s not true and if it’s not true the rest of what she said will be deemed untrue.
    They could subpoena the other people who were in the limo.

  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,618
    Merkin Baller said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Ironically, I think the limo story might serve to save Trump. People are coming out of the woodwork to say that it’s not true and if it’s not true the rest of what she said will be deemed untrue.
    They could subpoena the other people who were in the limo.

    Aren’t they saying it didn’t happen?
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  • static111
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    Merkin Baller said:
    static111 said:
    Is there anything to corroborate the testimony?  So far this looks like a chance to sensationalize the TV aspect of the hearing.  It seems like a lot of people are spiking the ball and celebrating.  Am I missing something from this testimony that can't be denied or refuted by others?

    In a sane world, testimony under oath would carry more weight than claims made by people who won't / refuse to testify under oath. 


    I understand it isn't a sane world, though. 
    A sworn testimony from the coffee girl he barely knew that was mad at him for not letting her go to Marigoround
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  • The Juggler
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    edited June 2022
    static111 said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    static111 said:
    Is there anything to corroborate the testimony?  So far this looks like a chance to sensationalize the TV aspect of the hearing.  It seems like a lot of people are spiking the ball and celebrating.  Am I missing something from this testimony that can't be denied or refuted by others?

    In a sane world, testimony under oath would carry more weight than claims made by people who won't / refuse to testify under oath. 


    I understand it isn't a sane world, though. 
    A sworn testimony from the coffee girl he barely knew that was mad at him for not letting her go to Marigoround
    Uh.....hoping this is sarcasm. 

    Edit---my bad, looks like it is. Off my game lately. 
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  • OnWis97
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    static111 said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    static111 said:
    Is there anything to corroborate the testimony?  So far this looks like a chance to sensationalize the TV aspect of the hearing.  It seems like a lot of people are spiking the ball and celebrating.  Am I missing something from this testimony that can't be denied or refuted by others?

    In a sane world, testimony under oath would carry more weight than claims made by people who won't / refuse to testify under oath. 


    I understand it isn't a sane world, though. 
    A sworn testimony from the coffee girl he barely knew that was mad at him for not letting her go to Marigoround
    One thing I’ve learned about Trump over the years is that he barely knows anybody.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    static111 said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    static111 said:
    Is there anything to corroborate the testimony?  So far this looks like a chance to sensationalize the TV aspect of the hearing.  It seems like a lot of people are spiking the ball and celebrating.  Am I missing something from this testimony that can't be denied or refuted by others?

    In a sane world, testimony under oath would carry more weight than claims made by people who won't / refuse to testify under oath. 


    I understand it isn't a sane world, though. 
    A sworn testimony from the coffee girl he barely knew that was mad at him for not letting her go to Marigoround
    You’re believing what they want you to believe. She was a little more than a coffee girl. The committee has the goods to back Cassidy up.

    If any of them, from POOTWH on down, want to refute anything Cassidy had to say, they’re welcome to tell their version of events or refute what she said to the committee. Under oath and before the American people with legal representation present.
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  • Merkin Baller
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    OnWis97 said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Ironically, I think the limo story might serve to save Trump. People are coming out of the woodwork to say that it’s not true and if it’s not true the rest of what she said will be deemed untrue.
    They could subpoena the other people who were in the limo.

    Aren’t they saying it didn’t happen?
    Under oath? 
  • static111
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    The Juggler said:
    static111 said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    static111 said:
    Is there anything to corroborate the testimony?  So far this looks like a chance to sensationalize the TV aspect of the hearing.  It seems like a lot of people are spiking the ball and celebrating.  Am I missing something from this testimony that can't be denied or refuted by others?

    In a sane world, testimony under oath would carry more weight than claims made by people who won't / refuse to testify under oath. 


    I understand it isn't a sane world, though. 
    A sworn testimony from the coffee girl he barely knew that was mad at him for not letting her go to Marigoround
    Uh.....hoping this is sarcasm. 
    No it isn't.  I think it is harsh realism with a sprinkling of cynicism.  As far as The POOTWH and his legal team is concerned unless there is supporting evidence for her testimony, they can just claim it was a spurned employee with an axe to grind making up stories.
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