mickeyrat
up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,703
I dont have issue with a different political viewpoint than I , so long as its articulated intelligently and respectfully with the one(s) they are having the conversation with.
some of the assumed conservatives here are rather middle school in how they interact with others. So are one or two of the more liberal viewpoints here.
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another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Here are some. This was one that made me wonder why it was chosen. Again, I personally don;t care but trying to put myself in someone else's thought process.
Truth hurts....I get the outrage from the right but the question is "are the problems accurate"?
but yeah...probably better addressed in a class specifically related to racism rather than math
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I dont have issue with a different political viewpoint than I , so long as its articulated intelligently and respectfully with the one(s) they are having the conversation with.
some of the assumed conservatives here are rather middle school in how they interact with others. So are one or two of the more liberal viewpoints here.
Well stated Mickey. I agree and would try to adhere to the Forum rules and guidelines as stated. In todays political climate it is easy to get overly emotional and start slinging mud on both sides and there is plenty of mud slinging going on in here.
The various schemes and talking points that witnesses have revealed also highlight what a president has the authority to do.
Government and legal experts say the bigger question is: Can further limits be put on presidential authority to make sure there are no repeats of 2020 in future administrations?
WHAT LAWS FORM THE BASIS FOR THE PRESIDENTIAL POWERS IN QUESTION?
There are two primary ones: the Insurrection Act, first enacted in 1792, and the National Emergencies Act of 1976.
The Insurrection Act is a long-standing presidential power that gives the president wide latitude to use military forces to stop a rebellion or domestic violence. Military forces are normally barred by the Posse Comitatus Act from joining in civilian law enforcement actions.
Elizabeth Goitein, senior director of the liberty and national security program at the Brennan Center for Justice, said the insurrection “in my opinion” could have been the catalyst for the president to invoke the act and bring in the military to escort congressional lawmakers out of the proceedings for their safety. “That doesn’t mean Donald Trump would have been the president, but it would have thrown a wrench in the works," she said.
Under the NEA, dozens of statutory authorities become available to any president when national emergencies are declared. They include everything from severe weather responses to civil disorder. Congress can vote to terminate the declaration, but if the president vetoes, a two-thirds supermajority is required to overcome the veto.
“The statute itself doesn't say what an emergency is. It leaves it up to the president,” said Chris Edelson, assistant professor of government at American University. “That means an unscrupulous president can use it" for ill purposes. It is up to Congress to rein in the president, he said.
WHAT ISSUES WERE RAISED AT THE LAST HEARING?
In the most recent hearing, former White House counsel Pat Cipillone discussed a rancorous meeting in which Trump's outside legal team brought a draft executive order to seize the states’ voting machines. In his testimony Cipollone said the plan was a terrible idea. It had been floated before.
“You can't preemptively seize voting machines. If there was a reason to do so, you need a court order,” Edelson said.
At the same meeting, there were a range of theories pushed, including invoking martial law. It was an idea Trump adviser Michael Flynn had floated before, along with seizing the voting machines.
WHAT ABOUT MARTIAL LAW?
Under the Insurrection Act the president can call on the military in certain circumstances, but they are intended to support civilian law enforcement. One example was the use of the military during the 1992 Los Angeles riots. Under martial law the military takes over the function of the civilian government.
Martial law, said Goitein, “gives me nightmares" because the law is unsettled. “The whole concept of martial law, there's not even an agreed upon definition of what it is," she said.
ARE THERE GUARDRAILS TO PREVENT FUTURE PRESIDENTS FROM ABUSING POWER?
The House passed the Protecting Our Democracy bill last year and sent it to the Senate. The legislation would prevent presidents from pardoning themselves, strengthen reporting requirements for campaigns, and clarify and enhance criminal penalties for campaigns that accept foreign information sought or obtained for political advantage.
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another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Watchdog says Secret Service deleted Jan. 6 text messages
By FARNOUSH AMIRI
Yesterday
WASHINGTON (AP) — Secret Service agents deleted text messages sent and received around the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol even after an inspector general requested them as part of an investigation into the insurrection, the government watchdog has found.
The Department of Homeland Security Office of Inspector General, in a letter obtained by The Associated Press, said the messages between Jan. 5 and Jan. 6, 2021, were erased “as part of a device-replacement program.” The erasure came after the watchdog office requested records of electronic communications between the agents as part of its probe into events surrounding the Jan. 6 attack, the letter said.
Additionally, Homeland Security personnel were told they couldn't provide records to the inspector general and any such records would first have to be reviewed by DHS attorneys.
“This review led to a weeks-long delays in OIG obtaining records and created confusion over whether all records had been produced,” states the letter, which was dated Wednesday and sent to leaders of the House and Senate Homeland Security committees.
Secret Service spokesman Anthony Guglielmi objected to the letter Thursday night, saying: “The insinuation that the Secret Service maliciously deleted text messages following a request is false. In fact, the Secret Service has been fully cooperating with the OIG in every respect — whether it be interviews, documents, emails, or texts.”
He said the Secret Service had started to reset its mobile devices to factory settings in January 2021 “as part of a pre-planned, three-month system migration.” In that process, some data was lost.
The inspector general has first requested the electronic communications on Feb. 26, “after the migration was well under way,” Guglielmi said.
“The Secret Service notified DHS OIG of the loss of certain phones’ data, but confirmed to OIG that none of the texts it was seeking had been lost in the migration,” he said.
The allegation that officials at the inspector general’s office were not given timely access to the material because of a review by Homeland Security attorneys had been raised by the inspector general before and is also not true, he said.
“DHS has repeatedly and publicly debunked this allegation, including in response to OIG’s last two semi-annual reports to Congress,” Guglielmi added.
The agency said it provided a substantial number of emails and chat messages that included conversations and details related to Jan. 6 to the inspector general and said text messages from the Capitol Police requesting assistance on Jan. 6 were preserved and provided to the inspector general’s office.
The erasure of the messages is sure to raise new questions for the House panel investigating the Jan. 6 attack, which has taken a renewed interest in the Secret Service following the dramatic testimony of former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson about former President Donald Trump's actions the day of the insurrection.
Hutchinson recalled being told about a confrontation between Trump and his Secret Service detail as he angrily demanded to be driven to the Capitol, where his supporters would later breach the building. She also recalled overhearing Trump telling security officials to remove magnetometers for his rally on the Ellipse even though some of his supporters were armed.
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memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Here are some. This was one that made me wonder why it was chosen. Again, I personally don;t care but trying to put myself in someone else's thought process.
Truth hurts....I get the outrage from the right but the question is "are the problems accurate"?
but yeah...probably better addressed in a class specifically related to racism rather than math
Ah, leave it to the republicans to object to teaching empathy.
And I disagree that it's "better addressed in a class specifically related". Good teaching involves weaving the material throughout the classes, to reinforce learning and demonstrate relevance in many areas of life. We need more multidisciplinary teaching, not more silos.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
Here are some. This was one that made me wonder why it was chosen. Again, I personally don;t care but trying to put myself in someone else's thought process.
Truth hurts....I get the outrage from the right but the question is "are the problems accurate"?
but yeah...probably better addressed in a class specifically related to racism rather than math
Ah, leave it to the republicans to object to teaching empathy.
And I disagree that it's "better addressed in a class specifically related". Good teaching involves weaving the material throughout the classes, to reinforce learning and demonstrate relevance in many areas of life. We need more multidisciplinary teaching, not more silos.
Interesting. Makes sense for sure to build upon other classes. I hadn’t thought of it that way. I’ll have to go back and see if they cite sources for the data then.
Edit: but I can’t since my freebies ran out!
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up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,703
Here are some. This was one that made me wonder why it was chosen. Again, I personally don;t care but trying to put myself in someone else's thought process.
Truth hurts....I get the outrage from the right but the question is "are the problems accurate"?
but yeah...probably better addressed in a class specifically related to racism rather than math
Ah, leave it to the republicans to object to teaching empathy.
And I disagree that it's "better addressed in a class specifically related". Good teaching involves weaving the material throughout the classes, to reinforce learning and demonstrate relevance in many areas of life. We need more multidisciplinary teaching, not more silos.
Interesting. Makes sense for sure to build upon other classes. I hadn’t thought of it that way. I’ll have to go back and see if they cite sources for the data then.
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memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
At least your on record early as bashing the future POTUS! Good job. Your a real groundbreaker!
Enjoy your authoritarianism.
Thanks! Anything would be better than this shit show!
And there you have it, folks.
OMG! How did a conservative sneak onto this message board??? (waits for the backlash from the masses)
I'd love some real conservatives to show up here. Alas, no one has stood up for Jon Kasich once on these boards. So instead we have a bunch of fake conservatives.
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At least your on record early as bashing the future POTUS! Good job. Your a real groundbreaker!
Enjoy your authoritarianism.
Thanks! Anything would be better than this shit show!
And there you have it, folks.
OMG! How did a conservative sneak onto this message board??? (waits for the backlash from the masses)
I'd love some real conservatives to show up here. Alas, no one has stood up for Jon Kasich once on these boards. So instead we have a bunch of fake conservatives.
I would love to see someone from The Lincoln Project chime in here, or someone on the level of Andrew Bacevich (author of the excellent The Limits of Power: The End of American Exceptionalism).
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
At least your on record early as bashing the future POTUS! Good job. Your a real groundbreaker!
Enjoy your authoritarianism.
Thanks! Anything would be better than this shit show!
And there you have it, folks.
OMG! How did a conservative sneak onto this message board??? (waits for the backlash from the masses)
I'd love some real conservatives to show up here. Alas, no one has stood up for Jon Kasich once on these boards. So instead we have a bunch of fake conservatives.
At least your on record early as bashing the future POTUS! Good job. Your a real groundbreaker!
Enjoy your authoritarianism.
Thanks! Anything would be better than this shit show!
And there you have it, folks.
OMG! How did a conservative sneak onto this message board??? (waits for the backlash from the masses)
I'd love some real conservatives to show up here. Alas, no one has stood up for Jon Kasich once on these boards. So instead we have a bunch of fake conservatives.
Jan. 6 panel subpoenas Secret Service for erased texts
By FARNOUSH AMIRI and MARY CLARE JALONICK
8 mins ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — The House committee investigating the U.S. Capitol attack subpoenaed the Secret Service on Friday night for text messages agents reportedly deleted around Jan. 6, 2021.
Committee Chairman Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., said in a statement that the committee is seeking "the relevant text messages, as well as any after action reports that have been issued in any and all divisions of the USSS pertaining or relating in any way to the events of January 6, 2021.”
The subpoenas come hours after the nine-member panel received a closed briefing from the watchdog for Department of Homeland Security. The committee had originally sought the electronic records in mid-January and made an official request in March for all communications received or sent from DHS employees between Jan. 5 and Jan. 7, 2021.
THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. AP’s earlier story follows below.
WASHINGTON (AP) — The watchdog for the Department of Homeland Security on Friday briefed all nine members of the House committee investigating the U.S. Capitol attack about his finding that the Secret Service deleted texts from around Jan. 6, according to two people familiar with the matter.
While lawmakers were tight-lipped about what they heard, the closed-door briefing with the inspector general, Joseph Cuffari, came two days after his office sent a letter to leaders of the House and Senate Homeland Security committees stating that Secret Service agents erased messages between Jan. 5 and Jan. 6, 2021 “as part of a device-replacement program.” The deletion came after the watchdog office requested records from the agents as part of its probe into events surrounding the Jan. 6 attack, the letter said.
For the Jan. 6 panel, the watchdog's finding raised the startling prospect of lost evidence that could shed further light on Donald Trump's actions during the insurrection.
Rep. Bennie Thompson, the Democratic chairman of the House Jan. 6 panel, told the Associated Press on Friday that the committee is taking a deeper look at whether records may have been lost. “There have been some conflicting positions on the matter,” the Mississippi lawmaker said.
The private briefing was confirmed by two people familiar with the matter who spoke to The Associated Press on the condition of anonymity to discuss it.
The Secret Service insists proper procedures were followed. Agency spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said, “The insinuation that the Secret Service maliciously deleted text messages following a request is false. In fact, the Secret Service has been fully cooperating with the OIG in every respect — whether it be interviews, documents, emails, or texts.”
He said the Secret Service had started to reset its mobile devices to factory settings in January 2021 “as part of a pre-planned, three-month system migration.” In that process, some data was lost.
The inspector general has first requested the electronic communications on Feb. 26, “after the migration was well under way,” Guglielmi said.
The Secret Service said it has provided a substantial number of emails and chat messages that included conversations and details related to Jan. 6 to the inspector general. It also said text messages from the Capitol Police requesting assistance on Jan. 6 were preserved and provided to the inspector general’s office.
The Senate Homeland committee, which has jurisdiction over the Department of Homeland Security and the Secret Service, is also expecting a briefing from the inspector general about the letter, according to a person familiar with the committee’s discussions who was not authorized to discuss them publicly.
The Jan. 6 committee has taken a renewed interest in the Secret Service following the dramatic testimony of former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson, who recalled what she heard about former President Donald Trump’s actions the day of the insurrection.
Hutchinson recalled being told about a confrontation between Trump and his Secret Service detail as he angrily demanded to be driven to the Capitol, where his supporters would later breach the building. She also recalled overhearing Trump telling security officials to remove magnetometers for his rally on the Ellipse even though some of his supporters were armed.
Some details of that account were quickly disputed by those agents. Robert Engel, the agent who was driving the presidential SUV, and Trump security official Tony Ornato are willing to testify under oath that no agent was assaulted and Trump never lunged for the steering wheel, a person familiar with the matter told the AP. The person would not discuss the matter publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.
With evidence still emerging, the House Jan. 6 committee on Friday officials scheduled its next hearing to take place Thursday in primetime. The 8 p.m. hearing, which is the eighth in a series that began in early June, will take a deeper look into the three-hour-plus stretch when Trump failed to act as a mob of supporters stormed the Capitol.
It will be the first hearing in prime time since June 9, the first on the committee's findings. It was viewed by 20 million people.
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
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another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
At least your on record early as bashing the future POTUS! Good job. Your a real groundbreaker!
Enjoy your authoritarianism.
Thanks! Anything would be better than this shit show!
And there you have it, folks.
OMG! How did a conservative sneak onto this message board??? (waits for the backlash from the masses)
I'd love some real conservatives to show up here. Alas, no one has stood up for Jon Kasich once on these boards. So instead we have a bunch of fake conservatives.
There's only nine actual conservatives left in the entire country.
At least your on record early as bashing the future POTUS! Good job. Your a real groundbreaker!
Enjoy your authoritarianism.
Thanks! Anything would be better than this shit show!
And there you have it, folks.
OMG! How did a conservative sneak onto this message board??? (waits for the backlash from the masses)
I'd love some real conservatives to show up here. Alas, no one has stood up for Jon Kasich once on these boards. So instead we have a bunch of fake conservatives.
At least your on record early as bashing the future POTUS! Good job. Your a real groundbreaker!
Enjoy your authoritarianism.
Thanks! Anything would be better than this shit show!
And there you have it, folks.
OMG! How did a conservative sneak onto this message board??? (waits for the backlash from the masses)
I'd love some real conservatives to show up here. Alas, no one has stood up for Jon Kasich once on these boards. So instead we have a bunch of fake conservatives.
At least your on record early as bashing the future POTUS! Good job. Your a real groundbreaker!
Enjoy your authoritarianism.
Thanks! Anything would be better than this shit show!
And there you have it, folks.
OMG! How did a conservative sneak onto this message board??? (waits for the backlash from the masses)
I'd love some real conservatives to show up here. Alas, no one has stood up for Jon Kasich once on these boards. So instead we have a bunch of fake conservatives.
At least your on record early as bashing the future POTUS! Good job. Your a real groundbreaker!
Enjoy your authoritarianism.
Thanks! Anything would be better than this shit show!
And there you have it, folks.
OMG! How did a conservative sneak onto this message board??? (waits for the backlash from the masses)
I'd love some real conservatives to show up here. Alas, no one has stood up for Jon Kasich once on these boards. So instead we have a bunch of fake conservatives.
At least your on record early as bashing the future POTUS! Good job. Your a real groundbreaker!
Enjoy your authoritarianism.
Thanks! Anything would be better than this shit show!
And there you have it, folks.
OMG! How did a conservative sneak onto this message board??? (waits for the backlash from the masses)
I'd love some real conservatives to show up here. Alas, no one has stood up for Jon Kasich once on these boards. So instead we have a bunch of fake conservatives.
There were people showing support for Kasich on the boards.
And you don’t really want any conservatives here
Really, like who? I'm glad to have a conversation with an actual conservative.
Thanks for letting me know what I want though. Makes like simple.
That part was a joke. But feel free to fake outrage.
and I’m not sure what you mean by a real conservative since it’s just your opinion if one…all I said was people around here showed Kasich plenty of support. And others like McCain and Romney. And GW before that.
At least your on record early as bashing the future POTUS! Good job. Your a real groundbreaker!
Enjoy your authoritarianism.
Thanks! Anything would be better than this shit show!
And there you have it, folks.
OMG! How did a conservative sneak onto this message board??? (waits for the backlash from the masses)
I'd love some real conservatives to show up here. Alas, no one has stood up for Jon Kasich once on these boards. So instead we have a bunch of fake conservatives.
There were people showing support for Kasich on the boards.
And you don’t really want any conservatives here
Really, like who? I'm glad to have a conversation with an actual conservative.
Thanks for letting me know what I want though. Makes like simple.
That part was a joke. But feel free to fake outrage.
and I’m not sure what you mean by a real conservative since it’s just your opinion if one…all I said was people around here showed Kasich plenty of support. And others like McCain and Romney. And GW before that.
If you're going back pre Trump, then yes agreed. But not since 2016 so I recall anyone in that camp.
At least your on record early as bashing the future POTUS! Good job. Your a real groundbreaker!
Enjoy your authoritarianism.
Thanks! Anything would be better than this shit show!
And there you have it, folks.
OMG! How did a conservative sneak onto this message board??? (waits for the backlash from the masses)
I'd love some real conservatives to show up here. Alas, no one has stood up for Jon Kasich once on these boards. So instead we have a bunch of fake conservatives.
There were people showing support for Kasich on the boards.
And you don’t really want any conservatives here
Really, like who? I'm glad to have a conversation with an actual conservative.
Thanks for letting me know what I want though. Makes like simple.
That part was a joke. But feel free to fake outrage.
and I’m not sure what you mean by a real conservative since it’s just your opinion if one…all I said was people around here showed Kasich plenty of support. And others like McCain and Romney. And GW before that.
If you're going back pre Trump, then yes agreed. But not since 2016 so I recall anyone in that camp.
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but yeah...probably better addressed in a class specifically related to racism rather than math
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WASHINGTON (AP) — The House Jan. 6 committee’s investigation of the aftermath of the 2020 presidential election and the events leading up to the U.S. Capitol insurrection is raising questions about former President Donald Trump’s role and whether he committed crimes.
The various schemes and talking points that witnesses have revealed also highlight what a president has the authority to do.
Government and legal experts say the bigger question is: Can further limits be put on presidential authority to make sure there are no repeats of 2020 in future administrations?
WHAT LAWS FORM THE BASIS FOR THE PRESIDENTIAL POWERS IN QUESTION?
There are two primary ones: the Insurrection Act, first enacted in 1792, and the National Emergencies Act of 1976.
The Insurrection Act is a long-standing presidential power that gives the president wide latitude to use military forces to stop a rebellion or domestic violence. Military forces are normally barred by the Posse Comitatus Act from joining in civilian law enforcement actions.
Elizabeth Goitein, senior director of the liberty and national security program at the Brennan Center for Justice, said the insurrection “in my opinion” could have been the catalyst for the president to invoke the act and bring in the military to escort congressional lawmakers out of the proceedings for their safety. “That doesn’t mean Donald Trump would have been the president, but it would have thrown a wrench in the works," she said.
CAPITOL SIEGE
Watchdog briefs Jan. 6 panel on erased Secret Service texts
Watchdog says Secret Service deleted Jan. 6 text messages
Bannon's criminal contempt trial on track for next week
Witness tampering at Jan. 6 hearing? Cheney raises prospect
Under the NEA, dozens of statutory authorities become available to any president when national emergencies are declared. They include everything from severe weather responses to civil disorder. Congress can vote to terminate the declaration, but if the president vetoes, a two-thirds supermajority is required to overcome the veto.
“The statute itself doesn't say what an emergency is. It leaves it up to the president,” said Chris Edelson, assistant professor of government at American University. “That means an unscrupulous president can use it" for ill purposes. It is up to Congress to rein in the president, he said.
WHAT ISSUES WERE RAISED AT THE LAST HEARING?
In the most recent hearing, former White House counsel Pat Cipillone discussed a rancorous meeting in which Trump's outside legal team brought a draft executive order to seize the states’ voting machines. In his testimony Cipollone said the plan was a terrible idea. It had been floated before.
“You can't preemptively seize voting machines. If there was a reason to do so, you need a court order,” Edelson said.
At the same meeting, there were a range of theories pushed, including invoking martial law. It was an idea Trump adviser Michael Flynn had floated before, along with seizing the voting machines.
WHAT ABOUT MARTIAL LAW?
Under the Insurrection Act the president can call on the military in certain circumstances, but they are intended to support civilian law enforcement. One example was the use of the military during the 1992 Los Angeles riots. Under martial law the military takes over the function of the civilian government.
Martial law, said Goitein, “gives me nightmares" because the law is unsettled. “The whole concept of martial law, there's not even an agreed upon definition of what it is," she said.
ARE THERE GUARDRAILS TO PREVENT FUTURE PRESIDENTS FROM ABUSING POWER?
The House passed the Protecting Our Democracy bill last year and sent it to the Senate. The legislation would prevent presidents from pardoning themselves, strengthen reporting requirements for campaigns, and clarify and enhance criminal penalties for campaigns that accept foreign information sought or obtained for political advantage.
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WASHINGTON (AP) — Secret Service agents deleted text messages sent and received around the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol even after an inspector general requested them as part of an investigation into the insurrection, the government watchdog has found.
The Department of Homeland Security Office of Inspector General, in a letter obtained by The Associated Press, said the messages between Jan. 5 and Jan. 6, 2021, were erased “as part of a device-replacement program.” The erasure came after the watchdog office requested records of electronic communications between the agents as part of its probe into events surrounding the Jan. 6 attack, the letter said.
Additionally, Homeland Security personnel were told they couldn't provide records to the inspector general and any such records would first have to be reviewed by DHS attorneys.
“This review led to a weeks-long delays in OIG obtaining records and created confusion over whether all records had been produced,” states the letter, which was dated Wednesday and sent to leaders of the House and Senate Homeland Security committees.
Secret Service spokesman Anthony Guglielmi objected to the letter Thursday night, saying: “The insinuation that the Secret Service maliciously deleted text messages following a request is false. In fact, the Secret Service has been fully cooperating with the OIG in every respect — whether it be interviews, documents, emails, or texts.”
CAPITOL SIEGE
Watchdog briefs Jan. 6 panel on erased Secret Service texts
Bannon's criminal contempt trial on track for next week
Capitol riot hearings raise questions of presidential power
Witness tampering at Jan. 6 hearing? Cheney raises prospect
He said the Secret Service had started to reset its mobile devices to factory settings in January 2021 “as part of a pre-planned, three-month system migration.” In that process, some data was lost.
The inspector general has first requested the electronic communications on Feb. 26, “after the migration was well under way,” Guglielmi said.
“The Secret Service notified DHS OIG of the loss of certain phones’ data, but confirmed to OIG that none of the texts it was seeking had been lost in the migration,” he said.
The allegation that officials at the inspector general’s office were not given timely access to the material because of a review by Homeland Security attorneys had been raised by the inspector general before and is also not true, he said.
“DHS has repeatedly and publicly debunked this allegation, including in response to OIG’s last two semi-annual reports to Congress,” Guglielmi added.
The agency said it provided a substantial number of emails and chat messages that included conversations and details related to Jan. 6 to the inspector general and said text messages from the Capitol Police requesting assistance on Jan. 6 were preserved and provided to the inspector general’s office.
The erasure of the messages is sure to raise new questions for the House panel investigating the Jan. 6 attack, which has taken a renewed interest in the Secret Service following the dramatic testimony of former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson about former President Donald Trump's actions the day of the insurrection.
Hutchinson recalled being told about a confrontation between Trump and his Secret Service detail as he angrily demanded to be driven to the Capitol, where his supporters would later breach the building. She also recalled overhearing Trump telling security officials to remove magnetometers for his rally on the Ellipse even though some of his supporters were armed.
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Ah, leave it to the republicans to object to teaching empathy.
And I disagree that it's "better addressed in a class specifically related". Good teaching involves weaving the material throughout the classes, to reinforce learning and demonstrate relevance in many areas of life. We need more multidisciplinary teaching, not more silos.
Edit: but I can’t since my freebies ran out!
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No thanks, I don't eat sheep. Not even the farm animal kind!
I would love to see someone from The Lincoln Project chime in here, or someone on the level of Andrew Bacevich (author of the excellent The Limits of Power: The End of American Exceptionalism).
WASHINGTON (AP) — The House committee investigating the U.S. Capitol attack subpoenaed the Secret Service on Friday night for text messages agents reportedly deleted around Jan. 6, 2021.
Committee Chairman Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., said in a statement that the committee is seeking "the relevant text messages, as well as any after action reports that have been issued in any and all divisions of the USSS pertaining or relating in any way to the events of January 6, 2021.”
The subpoenas come hours after the nine-member panel received a closed briefing from the watchdog for Department of Homeland Security. The committee had originally sought the electronic records in mid-January and made an official request in March for all communications received or sent from DHS employees between Jan. 5 and Jan. 7, 2021.
THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. AP’s earlier story follows below.
WASHINGTON (AP) — The watchdog for the Department of Homeland Security on Friday briefed all nine members of the House committee investigating the U.S. Capitol attack about his finding that the Secret Service deleted texts from around Jan. 6, according to two people familiar with the matter.
While lawmakers were tight-lipped about what they heard, the closed-door briefing with the inspector general, Joseph Cuffari, came two days after his office sent a letter to leaders of the House and Senate Homeland Security committees stating that Secret Service agents erased messages between Jan. 5 and Jan. 6, 2021 “as part of a device-replacement program.” The deletion came after the watchdog office requested records from the agents as part of its probe into events surrounding the Jan. 6 attack, the letter said.
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For the Jan. 6 panel, the watchdog's finding raised the startling prospect of lost evidence that could shed further light on Donald Trump's actions during the insurrection.
Rep. Bennie Thompson, the Democratic chairman of the House Jan. 6 panel, told the Associated Press on Friday that the committee is taking a deeper look at whether records may have been lost. “There have been some conflicting positions on the matter,” the Mississippi lawmaker said.
The private briefing was confirmed by two people familiar with the matter who spoke to The Associated Press on the condition of anonymity to discuss it.
The Secret Service insists proper procedures were followed. Agency spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said, “The insinuation that the Secret Service maliciously deleted text messages following a request is false. In fact, the Secret Service has been fully cooperating with the OIG in every respect — whether it be interviews, documents, emails, or texts.”
He said the Secret Service had started to reset its mobile devices to factory settings in January 2021 “as part of a pre-planned, three-month system migration.” In that process, some data was lost.
The inspector general has first requested the electronic communications on Feb. 26, “after the migration was well under way,” Guglielmi said.
The Secret Service said it has provided a substantial number of emails and chat messages that included conversations and details related to Jan. 6 to the inspector general. It also said text messages from the Capitol Police requesting assistance on Jan. 6 were preserved and provided to the inspector general’s office.
The Senate Homeland committee, which has jurisdiction over the Department of Homeland Security and the Secret Service, is also expecting a briefing from the inspector general about the letter, according to a person familiar with the committee’s discussions who was not authorized to discuss them publicly.
The Jan. 6 committee has taken a renewed interest in the Secret Service following the dramatic testimony of former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson, who recalled what she heard about former President Donald Trump’s actions the day of the insurrection.
Hutchinson recalled being told about a confrontation between Trump and his Secret Service detail as he angrily demanded to be driven to the Capitol, where his supporters would later breach the building. She also recalled overhearing Trump telling security officials to remove magnetometers for his rally on the Ellipse even though some of his supporters were armed.
Some details of that account were quickly disputed by those agents. Robert Engel, the agent who was driving the presidential SUV, and Trump security official Tony Ornato are willing to testify under oath that no agent was assaulted and Trump never lunged for the steering wheel, a person familiar with the matter told the AP. The person would not discuss the matter publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.
With evidence still emerging, the House Jan. 6 committee on Friday officials scheduled its next hearing to take place Thursday in primetime. The 8 p.m. hearing, which is the eighth in a series that began in early June, will take a deeper look into the three-hour-plus stretch when Trump failed to act as a mob of supporters stormed the Capitol.
It will be the first hearing in prime time since June 9, the first on the committee's findings. It was viewed by 20 million people.
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Associated Press writer Gary Fields contributing.
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I think a bad economy with an authoritarian would be worse than a bad economy without one, but maybe I'm talking crazy.
There's only nine actual conservatives left in the entire country.
And you don’t really want any conservatives here
There are no kings inside the gates of eden
but I was joking about that part. But disagreeing that people didn’t show support for Kasich.
Thanks for letting me know what I want though. Makes like simple.
and I’m not sure what you mean by a real conservative since it’s just your opinion if one…all I said was people around here showed Kasich plenty of support. And others like McCain and Romney. And GW before that.