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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 25,661
    TJ25487 said:
    "Is The J6 Committee Trying To Get Trump Re Elected?

    This may come as a shocker to Washington, but Congress’s J6 obsession is not high on Americans’ list of critical issues.

    Author JB Shurk profile
    J.B. SHURK

    Now that anonymous sources are leaking to The Washington Post that the Department of Justice is officially targeting former President Donald Trump with criminal charges, this is a good time to ask: Just how crazy are the occupants of Washington, D.C.? Do they really think they will indict, prosecute, convict, and imprison the Republican frontrunner for president in 2024 without creating a massive amount of public backlash?

    For half the country, trying to take down Trump for giving a speech over a mile away from the Capitol on Jan. 6 while hardly anybody has been held accountable for the atrocious Russia collusion hoax that nearly destroyed his presidency will be nothing less than total confirmation of a two-tiered and irreparably corrupt justice system and could permanently tear the nation in two. 

    This may come as a shocker to Washington, but Congress’s J6 obsession is not high on Americans’ list of critical issues. Polls show the American people’s top concerns are skyrocketing inflation and economic uncertainty, not what happened on Jan. 6. To say that the American government and the American people are not speaking the same language right now is an understatement.

    A Soviet-Like Spectacle

    Had Attorney General Merrick Garland felt that Trump had potentially committed a crime before leaving office, he should have pursued an investigation free from the overtly political atmosphere created by Congress’s J6 committee hearings. Whatever Nancy Pelosi’s Jan. 6 Committee is, it has not been a courtroom pursuing justice. Though witnesses are brought before the committee to “confess,” as Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., so Stalin-esquely put it, there is no one cross-examining their testimony for truth or accuracy.

    While one side presents a damning case against anyone who even thought about attending rallies near the Capitol that day, there is no defense counsel to challenge evidence, offer competing explanations, or provide mitigating circumstances on the accused’s behalf. No one is present to contest the committee’s allegations at all. Third-party hearsay evidence, normally inadmissible in courts of law, is used to advance the committee’s narratives. For that matter, long-winded and rhetorical political speeches from admittedly biased committee members advance theories of the case not grounded in evidence at all. Exculpatory evidence that might call into question the committee’s grave charges is regularly excluded.

    Still, the whole proceeding is conducted with such an air of legal seriousness that an ordinary observer could be excused for mistaking it as a place for justice. It is difficult to watch a spectacle such as this one in America, a nation that has generally managed to avoid the kind of theatrical show trials we normally associate with Soviet Russia’s Iron Curtain days. Yet here we are. The end result is that the Jan. 6 Committee has permanently destroyed any veneer of objectivity and effectively tainted any potential jury pool by flooding primetime television viewing audiences with misinformation and salacious gossip.

    Goal to Box Out Trump

    While PelosiGarland, and President Joe Biden all insist that J6 investigations into Trump are serious legal matters, the nearly two-year public spectacle is so over-the-top that it is difficult not to conclude that the J6 committee’s principal concern is keeping Trump from running for president again in 2024. Rep. Cheney has gone so far as to explicitly make this point by asserting that he “must never again be anywhere close to the Oval Office.” In a nation with democratic elections, that would presumably be a decision for the voters to make.

    Cheney and her colleagues, however, either fear that the American people will make the wrong choice, or they don’t really believe in the value of democratic elections as much as they claim. Either way, the J6 Commission’s efforts to turn President Trump into a criminal target for the Justice Department seem like a cynical bureaucratic workaround for depriving the people of their chance to decide Trump’s fitness for office on their own.

    Should Congress’s J6 committee hearings not succeed in keeping Trump off the 2024 ballot, they may ironically be seen years from now as having done much to help Trump get reelected. It’s interesting to go back in time to the fall of 2015 when the Republican primaries were still months away and Republican voters had a veritable all-star class of candidates from whom to choose. According to an Associated Press-GfK poll at the time, an overwhelming 77 percent of Republican voters preferred “an outsider candidate who will change how things are done, rather than someone with experience in Washington who can get things done.” Republicans were so committed to choosing an “outsider” that their top two choices for the White House according to the poll were Ben Carson and Donald Trump.

    Although political pundits expected primary voters to change their minds as the 2016 state contests arrived, Republicans’ desire for an “outsider” not only clinched Trump’s nomination but also assured his general election victory. Nothing about the electorate’s mood today suggests that Republican voters are eager to return to mainstream establishment political candidates.

    Washington’s vast Never Trump coalition would have been most successful in tanking Trump’s political chances in either 2020 or 2024 had they found a way to embrace him as one of their own, force him to compromise his goals and betray his promises, and leave Americans with the impression that Trump had played voters seeking an “outsider” as fools. Instead, nonstop attacks from D.C.’s permanent bureaucracy have been the hallmarks of the Trump presidency.

    From the Russia collusion hoax, the two-year Mueller inquisition, two congressional impeachments, countless administration betrayals, and now two additional years of J6 investigations intent on seeking his prosecution and conviction, it is unmistakably clear that Trump is just as much an outsider today as he was before his first victory. And should voters’ appetites for an outsider candidacy remain as high as they were in 2016, then nobody will have greater tried and true credibility than Trump.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/10/business/media/jan-6-hearing-ratings.html
    I’d say lots of folks are interested in the hearings! Can’t wait till September hearing’s to resume just in time for Midterms 
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  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ONPosts: 8,585
    TJ25487 said:
    "Is The J6 Committee Trying To Get Trump Re Elected?

    This may come as a shocker to Washington, but Congress’s J6 obsession is not high on Americans’ list of critical issues.

    Author JB Shurk profile
    J.B. SHURK

    Now that anonymous sources are leaking to The Washington Post that the Department of Justice is officially targeting former President Donald Trump with criminal charges, this is a good time to ask: Just how crazy are the occupants of Washington, D.C.? Do they really think they will indict, prosecute, convict, and imprison the Republican frontrunner for president in 2024 without creating a massive amount of public backlash?

    For half the country, trying to take down Trump for giving a speech over a mile away from the Capitol on Jan. 6 while hardly anybody has been held accountable for the atrocious Russia collusion hoax that nearly destroyed his presidency will be nothing less than total confirmation of a two-tiered and irreparably corrupt justice system and could permanently tear the nation in two. 

    This may come as a shocker to Washington, but Congress’s J6 obsession is not high on Americans’ list of critical issues. Polls show the American people’s top concerns are skyrocketing inflation and economic uncertainty, not what happened on Jan. 6. To say that the American government and the American people are not speaking the same language right now is an understatement.

    A Soviet-Like Spectacle

    Had Attorney General Merrick Garland felt that Trump had potentially committed a crime before leaving office, he should have pursued an investigation free from the overtly political atmosphere created by Congress’s J6 committee hearings. Whatever Nancy Pelosi’s Jan. 6 Committee is, it has not been a courtroom pursuing justice. Though witnesses are brought before the committee to “confess,” as Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., so Stalin-esquely put it, there is no one cross-examining their testimony for truth or accuracy.

    While one side presents a damning case against anyone who even thought about attending rallies near the Capitol that day, there is no defense counsel to challenge evidence, offer competing explanations, or provide mitigating circumstances on the accused’s behalf. No one is present to contest the committee’s allegations at all. Third-party hearsay evidence, normally inadmissible in courts of law, is used to advance the committee’s narratives. For that matter, long-winded and rhetorical political speeches from admittedly biased committee members advance theories of the case not grounded in evidence at all. Exculpatory evidence that might call into question the committee’s grave charges is regularly excluded.

    Still, the whole proceeding is conducted with such an air of legal seriousness that an ordinary observer could be excused for mistaking it as a place for justice. It is difficult to watch a spectacle such as this one in America, a nation that has generally managed to avoid the kind of theatrical show trials we normally associate with Soviet Russia’s Iron Curtain days. Yet here we are. The end result is that the Jan. 6 Committee has permanently destroyed any veneer of objectivity and effectively tainted any potential jury pool by flooding primetime television viewing audiences with misinformation and salacious gossip.

    Goal to Box Out Trump

    While PelosiGarland, and President Joe Biden all insist that J6 investigations into Trump are serious legal matters, the nearly two-year public spectacle is so over-the-top that it is difficult not to conclude that the J6 committee’s principal concern is keeping Trump from running for president again in 2024. Rep. Cheney has gone so far as to explicitly make this point by asserting that he “must never again be anywhere close to the Oval Office.” In a nation with democratic elections, that would presumably be a decision for the voters to make.

    Cheney and her colleagues, however, either fear that the American people will make the wrong choice, or they don’t really believe in the value of democratic elections as much as they claim. Either way, the J6 Commission’s efforts to turn President Trump into a criminal target for the Justice Department seem like a cynical bureaucratic workaround for depriving the people of their chance to decide Trump’s fitness for office on their own.

    Should Congress’s J6 committee hearings not succeed in keeping Trump off the 2024 ballot, they may ironically be seen years from now as having done much to help Trump get reelected. It’s interesting to go back in time to the fall of 2015 when the Republican primaries were still months away and Republican voters had a veritable all-star class of candidates from whom to choose. According to an Associated Press-GfK poll at the time, an overwhelming 77 percent of Republican voters preferred “an outsider candidate who will change how things are done, rather than someone with experience in Washington who can get things done.” Republicans were so committed to choosing an “outsider” that their top two choices for the White House according to the poll were Ben Carson and Donald Trump.

    Although political pundits expected primary voters to change their minds as the 2016 state contests arrived, Republicans’ desire for an “outsider” not only clinched Trump’s nomination but also assured his general election victory. Nothing about the electorate’s mood today suggests that Republican voters are eager to return to mainstream establishment political candidates.

    Washington’s vast Never Trump coalition would have been most successful in tanking Trump’s political chances in either 2020 or 2024 had they found a way to embrace him as one of their own, force him to compromise his goals and betray his promises, and leave Americans with the impression that Trump had played voters seeking an “outsider” as fools. Instead, nonstop attacks from D.C.’s permanent bureaucracy have been the hallmarks of the Trump presidency.

    From the Russia collusion hoax, the two-year Mueller inquisition, two congressional impeachments, countless administration betrayals, and now two additional years of J6 investigations intent on seeking his prosecution and conviction, it is unmistakably clear that Trump is just as much an outsider today as he was before his first victory. And should voters’ appetites for an outsider candidacy remain as high as they were in 2016, then nobody will have greater tried and true credibility than Trump.

    I notice that the handful of conservatives that rotate through these parts seem to make appearances when Trump is playing a defence position. I'm not much of a believer in coincidence, so I have to believe you and your ilk are afraid of his diminishing power, which is great!

    This article is an opinion piece, and it's full of nonsense.

    1. Trump's Jan 6 issues are disingenuously presented here. If the author watched any of the hearings, this would be known by them. A simple example - the author's recognition that Jan 6 started "over a mile from the Capital building", but doesn't mention relevant insights like Trump knew they were armed and told them to walk with him to the Capital building
    2. While Senate predictions are moving in favour of a Democratic senate that would disagree with the poll statements in the article, the best approach is probably to ignore the polls and focus on the media sentiment. On that front, it's funny to me that the author doesn't mention Rupert Murdoch's latest departures with the Trump cabal
    3. The author doesn't seem to know the difference between Congress and the DOJ's responsibilities, as they pertain to 'presenting a case'. Congress's responsibility, is to shine a light in the direction of potential impropriety if they feel it exists (to inform the public), and thereby signal their concern to the DOJ. Their burden is not to present criminal evidence, but to present 'oddities' that suggest a DOJ investigation is warranted. Once on the stand in a DOJ investigation, they will have a heightened burden of proof required to prosecute
    4. A "theatrical show trial"? The reason there were disagreements on which Republicans would be part of the investigation, is because none of them could be trusted to be in front of a TV screen and not make a buffoonish presentation of political hackery.
    5. The concept that the team is keeping this alive for as long as they can is possibly true, but they're also sharing new information at a rapid cadence, which justifies the approach. If they took the common Republican approach of "just delay, never actually do anything", then I'd have an issue.
    6. Statements like "______ should never be in office again" are made by politicians all the time. If there are no issues with Fox News spoon-feeding people what to think and do, then the insinuation that a politician is required to shut up about the opposition is total BS
    7. It's telling that to find a poll which signals that Republicans want more Trump as a result of the Jan 6 committee, the author goes back to 2015 to convey Republicans' desire for an "outsider". It's 2022 - where are the subsequent polls about the respect for the outsider?


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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 14,051
    benjs said:
    TJ25487 said:
    "Is The J6 Committee Trying To Get Trump Re Elected?

    This may come as a shocker to Washington, but Congress’s J6 obsession is not high on Americans’ list of critical issues.

    Author JB Shurk profile
    J.B. SHURK

    Now that anonymous sources are leaking to The Washington Post that the Department of Justice is officially targeting former President Donald Trump with criminal charges, this is a good time to ask: Just how crazy are the occupants of Washington, D.C.? Do they really think they will indict, prosecute, convict, and imprison the Republican frontrunner for president in 2024 without creating a massive amount of public backlash?

    For half the country, trying to take down Trump for giving a speech over a mile away from the Capitol on Jan. 6 while hardly anybody has been held accountable for the atrocious Russia collusion hoax that nearly destroyed his presidency will be nothing less than total confirmation of a two-tiered and irreparably corrupt justice system and could permanently tear the nation in two. 

    This may come as a shocker to Washington, but Congress’s J6 obsession is not high on Americans’ list of critical issues. Polls show the American people’s top concerns are skyrocketing inflation and economic uncertainty, not what happened on Jan. 6. To say that the American government and the American people are not speaking the same language right now is an understatement.

    A Soviet-Like Spectacle

    Had Attorney General Merrick Garland felt that Trump had potentially committed a crime before leaving office, he should have pursued an investigation free from the overtly political atmosphere created by Congress’s J6 committee hearings. Whatever Nancy Pelosi’s Jan. 6 Committee is, it has not been a courtroom pursuing justice. Though witnesses are brought before the committee to “confess,” as Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., so Stalin-esquely put it, there is no one cross-examining their testimony for truth or accuracy.

    While one side presents a damning case against anyone who even thought about attending rallies near the Capitol that day, there is no defense counsel to challenge evidence, offer competing explanations, or provide mitigating circumstances on the accused’s behalf. No one is present to contest the committee’s allegations at all. Third-party hearsay evidence, normally inadmissible in courts of law, is used to advance the committee’s narratives. For that matter, long-winded and rhetorical political speeches from admittedly biased committee members advance theories of the case not grounded in evidence at all. Exculpatory evidence that might call into question the committee’s grave charges is regularly excluded.

    Still, the whole proceeding is conducted with such an air of legal seriousness that an ordinary observer could be excused for mistaking it as a place for justice. It is difficult to watch a spectacle such as this one in America, a nation that has generally managed to avoid the kind of theatrical show trials we normally associate with Soviet Russia’s Iron Curtain days. Yet here we are. The end result is that the Jan. 6 Committee has permanently destroyed any veneer of objectivity and effectively tainted any potential jury pool by flooding primetime television viewing audiences with misinformation and salacious gossip.

    Goal to Box Out Trump

    While PelosiGarland, and President Joe Biden all insist that J6 investigations into Trump are serious legal matters, the nearly two-year public spectacle is so over-the-top that it is difficult not to conclude that the J6 committee’s principal concern is keeping Trump from running for president again in 2024. Rep. Cheney has gone so far as to explicitly make this point by asserting that he “must never again be anywhere close to the Oval Office.” In a nation with democratic elections, that would presumably be a decision for the voters to make.

    Cheney and her colleagues, however, either fear that the American people will make the wrong choice, or they don’t really believe in the value of democratic elections as much as they claim. Either way, the J6 Commission’s efforts to turn President Trump into a criminal target for the Justice Department seem like a cynical bureaucratic workaround for depriving the people of their chance to decide Trump’s fitness for office on their own.

    Should Congress’s J6 committee hearings not succeed in keeping Trump off the 2024 ballot, they may ironically be seen years from now as having done much to help Trump get reelected. It’s interesting to go back in time to the fall of 2015 when the Republican primaries were still months away and Republican voters had a veritable all-star class of candidates from whom to choose. According to an Associated Press-GfK poll at the time, an overwhelming 77 percent of Republican voters preferred “an outsider candidate who will change how things are done, rather than someone with experience in Washington who can get things done.” Republicans were so committed to choosing an “outsider” that their top two choices for the White House according to the poll were Ben Carson and Donald Trump.

    Although political pundits expected primary voters to change their minds as the 2016 state contests arrived, Republicans’ desire for an “outsider” not only clinched Trump’s nomination but also assured his general election victory. Nothing about the electorate’s mood today suggests that Republican voters are eager to return to mainstream establishment political candidates.

    Washington’s vast Never Trump coalition would have been most successful in tanking Trump’s political chances in either 2020 or 2024 had they found a way to embrace him as one of their own, force him to compromise his goals and betray his promises, and leave Americans with the impression that Trump had played voters seeking an “outsider” as fools. Instead, nonstop attacks from D.C.’s permanent bureaucracy have been the hallmarks of the Trump presidency.

    From the Russia collusion hoax, the two-year Mueller inquisition, two congressional impeachments, countless administration betrayals, and now two additional years of J6 investigations intent on seeking his prosecution and conviction, it is unmistakably clear that Trump is just as much an outsider today as he was before his first victory. And should voters’ appetites for an outsider candidacy remain as high as they were in 2016, then nobody will have greater tried and true credibility than Trump.

    I notice that the handful of conservatives that rotate through these parts seem to make appearances when Trump is playing a defence position. I'm not much of a believer in coincidence, so I have to believe you and your ilk are afraid of his diminishing power, which is great!

    This article is an opinion piece, and it's full of nonsense.

    1. Trump's Jan 6 issues are disingenuously presented here. If the author watched any of the hearings, this would be known by them. A simple example - the author's recognition that Jan 6 started "over a mile from the Capital building", but doesn't mention relevant insights like Trump knew they were armed and told them to walk with him to the Capital building
    2. While Senate predictions are moving in favour of a Democratic senate that would disagree with the poll statements in the article, the best approach is probably to ignore the polls and focus on the media sentiment. On that front, it's funny to me that the author doesn't mention Rupert Murdoch's latest departures with the Trump cabal
    3. The author doesn't seem to know the difference between Congress and the DOJ's responsibilities, as they pertain to 'presenting a case'. Congress's responsibility, is to shine a light in the direction of potential impropriety if they feel it exists (to inform the public), and thereby signal their concern to the DOJ. Their burden is not to present criminal evidence, but to present 'oddities' that suggest a DOJ investigation is warranted. Once on the stand in a DOJ investigation, they will have a heightened burden of proof required to prosecute
    4. A "theatrical show trial"? The reason there were disagreements on which Republicans would be part of the investigation, is because none of them could be trusted to be in front of a TV screen and not make a buffoonish presentation of political hackery.
    5. The concept that the team is keeping this alive for as long as they can is possibly true, but they're also sharing new information at a rapid cadence, which justifies the approach. If they took the common Republican approach of "just delay, never actually do anything", then I'd have an issue.
    6. Statements like "______ should never be in office again" are made by politicians all the time. If there are no issues with Fox News spoon-feeding people what to think and do, then the insinuation that a politician is required to shut up about the opposition is total BS
    7. It's telling that to find a poll which signals that Republicans want more Trump as a result of the Jan 6 committee, the author goes back to 2015 to convey Republicans' desire for an "outsider". It's 2022 - where are the subsequent polls about the respect for the outsider?


    thank you for destroying that ridiculous link
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 9,782
    benjs said:
    TJ25487 said:
    "Is The J6 Committee Trying To Get Trump Re Elected?

    This may come as a shocker to Washington, but Congress’s J6 obsession is not high on Americans’ list of critical issues.

    Author JB Shurk profile
    J.B. SHURK

    Now that anonymous sources are leaking to The Washington Post that the Department of Justice is officially targeting former President Donald Trump with criminal charges, this is a good time to ask: Just how crazy are the occupants of Washington, D.C.? Do they really think they will indict, prosecute, convict, and imprison the Republican frontrunner for president in 2024 without creating a massive amount of public backlash?

    For half the country, trying to take down Trump for giving a speech over a mile away from the Capitol on Jan. 6 while hardly anybody has been held accountable for the atrocious Russia collusion hoax that nearly destroyed his presidency will be nothing less than total confirmation of a two-tiered and irreparably corrupt justice system and could permanently tear the nation in two. 

    This may come as a shocker to Washington, but Congress’s J6 obsession is not high on Americans’ list of critical issues. Polls show the American people’s top concerns are skyrocketing inflation and economic uncertainty, not what happened on Jan. 6. To say that the American government and the American people are not speaking the same language right now is an understatement.

    A Soviet-Like Spectacle

    Had Attorney General Merrick Garland felt that Trump had potentially committed a crime before leaving office, he should have pursued an investigation free from the overtly political atmosphere created by Congress’s J6 committee hearings. Whatever Nancy Pelosi’s Jan. 6 Committee is, it has not been a courtroom pursuing justice. Though witnesses are brought before the committee to “confess,” as Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., so Stalin-esquely put it, there is no one cross-examining their testimony for truth or accuracy.

    While one side presents a damning case against anyone who even thought about attending rallies near the Capitol that day, there is no defense counsel to challenge evidence, offer competing explanations, or provide mitigating circumstances on the accused’s behalf. No one is present to contest the committee’s allegations at all. Third-party hearsay evidence, normally inadmissible in courts of law, is used to advance the committee’s narratives. For that matter, long-winded and rhetorical political speeches from admittedly biased committee members advance theories of the case not grounded in evidence at all. Exculpatory evidence that might call into question the committee’s grave charges is regularly excluded.

    Still, the whole proceeding is conducted with such an air of legal seriousness that an ordinary observer could be excused for mistaking it as a place for justice. It is difficult to watch a spectacle such as this one in America, a nation that has generally managed to avoid the kind of theatrical show trials we normally associate with Soviet Russia’s Iron Curtain days. Yet here we are. The end result is that the Jan. 6 Committee has permanently destroyed any veneer of objectivity and effectively tainted any potential jury pool by flooding primetime television viewing audiences with misinformation and salacious gossip.

    Goal to Box Out Trump

    While PelosiGarland, and President Joe Biden all insist that J6 investigations into Trump are serious legal matters, the nearly two-year public spectacle is so over-the-top that it is difficult not to conclude that the J6 committee’s principal concern is keeping Trump from running for president again in 2024. Rep. Cheney has gone so far as to explicitly make this point by asserting that he “must never again be anywhere close to the Oval Office.” In a nation with democratic elections, that would presumably be a decision for the voters to make.

    Cheney and her colleagues, however, either fear that the American people will make the wrong choice, or they don’t really believe in the value of democratic elections as much as they claim. Either way, the J6 Commission’s efforts to turn President Trump into a criminal target for the Justice Department seem like a cynical bureaucratic workaround for depriving the people of their chance to decide Trump’s fitness for office on their own.

    Should Congress’s J6 committee hearings not succeed in keeping Trump off the 2024 ballot, they may ironically be seen years from now as having done much to help Trump get reelected. It’s interesting to go back in time to the fall of 2015 when the Republican primaries were still months away and Republican voters had a veritable all-star class of candidates from whom to choose. According to an Associated Press-GfK poll at the time, an overwhelming 77 percent of Republican voters preferred “an outsider candidate who will change how things are done, rather than someone with experience in Washington who can get things done.” Republicans were so committed to choosing an “outsider” that their top two choices for the White House according to the poll were Ben Carson and Donald Trump.

    Although political pundits expected primary voters to change their minds as the 2016 state contests arrived, Republicans’ desire for an “outsider” not only clinched Trump’s nomination but also assured his general election victory. Nothing about the electorate’s mood today suggests that Republican voters are eager to return to mainstream establishment political candidates.

    Washington’s vast Never Trump coalition would have been most successful in tanking Trump’s political chances in either 2020 or 2024 had they found a way to embrace him as one of their own, force him to compromise his goals and betray his promises, and leave Americans with the impression that Trump had played voters seeking an “outsider” as fools. Instead, nonstop attacks from D.C.’s permanent bureaucracy have been the hallmarks of the Trump presidency.

    From the Russia collusion hoax, the two-year Mueller inquisition, two congressional impeachments, countless administration betrayals, and now two additional years of J6 investigations intent on seeking his prosecution and conviction, it is unmistakably clear that Trump is just as much an outsider today as he was before his first victory. And should voters’ appetites for an outsider candidacy remain as high as they were in 2016, then nobody will have greater tried and true credibility than Trump.

    I notice that the handful of conservatives that rotate through these parts seem to make appearances when Trump is playing a defence position. I'm not much of a believer in coincidence, so I have to believe you and your ilk are afraid of his diminishing power, which is great!

    This article is an opinion piece, and it's full of nonsense.

    1. Trump's Jan 6 issues are disingenuously presented here. If the author watched any of the hearings, this would be known by them. A simple example - the author's recognition that Jan 6 started "over a mile from the Capital building", but doesn't mention relevant insights like Trump knew they were armed and told them to walk with him to the Capital building
    2. While Senate predictions are moving in favour of a Democratic senate that would disagree with the poll statements in the article, the best approach is probably to ignore the polls and focus on the media sentiment. On that front, it's funny to me that the author doesn't mention Rupert Murdoch's latest departures with the Trump cabal
    3. The author doesn't seem to know the difference between Congress and the DOJ's responsibilities, as they pertain to 'presenting a case'. Congress's responsibility, is to shine a light in the direction of potential impropriety if they feel it exists (to inform the public), and thereby signal their concern to the DOJ. Their burden is not to present criminal evidence, but to present 'oddities' that suggest a DOJ investigation is warranted. Once on the stand in a DOJ investigation, they will have a heightened burden of proof required to prosecute
    4. A "theatrical show trial"? The reason there were disagreements on which Republicans would be part of the investigation, is because none of them could be trusted to be in front of a TV screen and not make a buffoonish presentation of political hackery.
    5. The concept that the team is keeping this alive for as long as they can is possibly true, but they're also sharing new information at a rapid cadence, which justifies the approach. If they took the common Republican approach of "just delay, never actually do anything", then I'd have an issue.
    6. Statements like "______ should never be in office again" are made by politicians all the time. If there are no issues with Fox News spoon-feeding people what to think and do, then the insinuation that a politician is required to shut up about the opposition is total BS
    7. It's telling that to find a poll which signals that Republicans want more Trump as a result of the Jan 6 committee, the author goes back to 2015 to convey Republicans' desire for an "outsider". It's 2022 - where are the subsequent polls about the respect for the outsider?


    thank you for destroying that ridiculous link
    @benjs is always the calm among the storm. 

    But no matter how sense he makes and how provable his points are the cult members have drunk the kool-aid and cannot and will not be swayed.
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 7,690
    benjs said:
    TJ25487 said:
    "Is The J6 Committee Trying To Get Trump Re Elected?

    This may come as a shocker to Washington, but Congress’s J6 obsession is not high on Americans’ list of critical issues.

    Author JB Shurk profile
    J.B. SHURK

    Now that anonymous sources are leaking to The Washington Post that the Department of Justice is officially targeting former President Donald Trump with criminal charges, this is a good time to ask: Just how crazy are the occupants of Washington, D.C.? Do they really think they will indict, prosecute, convict, and imprison the Republican frontrunner for president in 2024 without creating a massive amount of public backlash?

    For half the country, trying to take down Trump for giving a speech over a mile away from the Capitol on Jan. 6 while hardly anybody has been held accountable for the atrocious Russia collusion hoax that nearly destroyed his presidency will be nothing less than total confirmation of a two-tiered and irreparably corrupt justice system and could permanently tear the nation in two. 

    This may come as a shocker to Washington, but Congress’s J6 obsession is not high on Americans’ list of critical issues. Polls show the American people’s top concerns are skyrocketing inflation and economic uncertainty, not what happened on Jan. 6. To say that the American government and the American people are not speaking the same language right now is an understatement.

    A Soviet-Like Spectacle

    Had Attorney General Merrick Garland felt that Trump had potentially committed a crime before leaving office, he should have pursued an investigation free from the overtly political atmosphere created by Congress’s J6 committee hearings. Whatever Nancy Pelosi’s Jan. 6 Committee is, it has not been a courtroom pursuing justice. Though witnesses are brought before the committee to “confess,” as Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., so Stalin-esquely put it, there is no one cross-examining their testimony for truth or accuracy.

    While one side presents a damning case against anyone who even thought about attending rallies near the Capitol that day, there is no defense counsel to challenge evidence, offer competing explanations, or provide mitigating circumstances on the accused’s behalf. No one is present to contest the committee’s allegations at all. Third-party hearsay evidence, normally inadmissible in courts of law, is used to advance the committee’s narratives. For that matter, long-winded and rhetorical political speeches from admittedly biased committee members advance theories of the case not grounded in evidence at all. Exculpatory evidence that might call into question the committee’s grave charges is regularly excluded.

    Still, the whole proceeding is conducted with such an air of legal seriousness that an ordinary observer could be excused for mistaking it as a place for justice. It is difficult to watch a spectacle such as this one in America, a nation that has generally managed to avoid the kind of theatrical show trials we normally associate with Soviet Russia’s Iron Curtain days. Yet here we are. The end result is that the Jan. 6 Committee has permanently destroyed any veneer of objectivity and effectively tainted any potential jury pool by flooding primetime television viewing audiences with misinformation and salacious gossip.

    Goal to Box Out Trump

    While PelosiGarland, and President Joe Biden all insist that J6 investigations into Trump are serious legal matters, the nearly two-year public spectacle is so over-the-top that it is difficult not to conclude that the J6 committee’s principal concern is keeping Trump from running for president again in 2024. Rep. Cheney has gone so far as to explicitly make this point by asserting that he “must never again be anywhere close to the Oval Office.” In a nation with democratic elections, that would presumably be a decision for the voters to make.

    Cheney and her colleagues, however, either fear that the American people will make the wrong choice, or they don’t really believe in the value of democratic elections as much as they claim. Either way, the J6 Commission’s efforts to turn President Trump into a criminal target for the Justice Department seem like a cynical bureaucratic workaround for depriving the people of their chance to decide Trump’s fitness for office on their own.

    Should Congress’s J6 committee hearings not succeed in keeping Trump off the 2024 ballot, they may ironically be seen years from now as having done much to help Trump get reelected. It’s interesting to go back in time to the fall of 2015 when the Republican primaries were still months away and Republican voters had a veritable all-star class of candidates from whom to choose. According to an Associated Press-GfK poll at the time, an overwhelming 77 percent of Republican voters preferred “an outsider candidate who will change how things are done, rather than someone with experience in Washington who can get things done.” Republicans were so committed to choosing an “outsider” that their top two choices for the White House according to the poll were Ben Carson and Donald Trump.

    Although political pundits expected primary voters to change their minds as the 2016 state contests arrived, Republicans’ desire for an “outsider” not only clinched Trump’s nomination but also assured his general election victory. Nothing about the electorate’s mood today suggests that Republican voters are eager to return to mainstream establishment political candidates.

    Washington’s vast Never Trump coalition would have been most successful in tanking Trump’s political chances in either 2020 or 2024 had they found a way to embrace him as one of their own, force him to compromise his goals and betray his promises, and leave Americans with the impression that Trump had played voters seeking an “outsider” as fools. Instead, nonstop attacks from D.C.’s permanent bureaucracy have been the hallmarks of the Trump presidency.

    From the Russia collusion hoax, the two-year Mueller inquisition, two congressional impeachments, countless administration betrayals, and now two additional years of J6 investigations intent on seeking his prosecution and conviction, it is unmistakably clear that Trump is just as much an outsider today as he was before his first victory. And should voters’ appetites for an outsider candidacy remain as high as they were in 2016, then nobody will have greater tried and true credibility than Trump.

    I notice that the handful of conservatives that rotate through these parts seem to make appearances when Trump is playing a defence position. I'm not much of a believer in coincidence, so I have to believe you and your ilk are afraid of his diminishing power, which is great!

    This article is an opinion piece, and it's full of nonsense.

    1. Trump's Jan 6 issues are disingenuously presented here. If the author watched any of the hearings, this would be known by them. A simple example - the author's recognition that Jan 6 started "over a mile from the Capital building", but doesn't mention relevant insights like Trump knew they were armed and told them to walk with him to the Capital building
    2. While Senate predictions are moving in favour of a Democratic senate that would disagree with the poll statements in the article, the best approach is probably to ignore the polls and focus on the media sentiment. On that front, it's funny to me that the author doesn't mention Rupert Murdoch's latest departures with the Trump cabal
    3. The author doesn't seem to know the difference between Congress and the DOJ's responsibilities, as they pertain to 'presenting a case'. Congress's responsibility, is to shine a light in the direction of potential impropriety if they feel it exists (to inform the public), and thereby signal their concern to the DOJ. Their burden is not to present criminal evidence, but to present 'oddities' that suggest a DOJ investigation is warranted. Once on the stand in a DOJ investigation, they will have a heightened burden of proof required to prosecute
    4. A "theatrical show trial"? The reason there were disagreements on which Republicans would be part of the investigation, is because none of them could be trusted to be in front of a TV screen and not make a buffoonish presentation of political hackery.
    5. The concept that the team is keeping this alive for as long as they can is possibly true, but they're also sharing new information at a rapid cadence, which justifies the approach. If they took the common Republican approach of "just delay, never actually do anything", then I'd have an issue.
    6. Statements like "______ should never be in office again" are made by politicians all the time. If there are no issues with Fox News spoon-feeding people what to think and do, then the insinuation that a politician is required to shut up about the opposition is total BS
    7. It's telling that to find a poll which signals that Republicans want more Trump as a result of the Jan 6 committee, the author goes back to 2015 to convey Republicans' desire for an "outsider". It's 2022 - where are the subsequent polls about the respect for the outsider?


    thank you for destroying that ridiculous link

    The article is trash, but I think it's good to know that it summarizes what the large majority of Trump voters are thinking.
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 14,051
    I'm amazed at the tRumpsters that completely ignore the GOP witnesses. OAN tells them that it's a fake hearing so they go with that instead of paying any attention whatsoever.

    I continue to be amazed at how they ignore facts/truth that are laid out in front of them. Unreal.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 31,454
    I'm amazed at the tRumpsters that completely ignore the GOP witnesses. OAN tells them that it's a fake hearing so they go with that instead of paying any attention whatsoever.

    I continue to be amazed at how they ignore facts/truth that are laid out in front of them. Unreal.
    Imagine these people on a jury where someone’s life hangs in the balance. If I were a defendant, I’d want my defense attorney to flesh out whether any potential jurors believe in the “big lie.” No freaking way they’re objective if they do.
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 7,690
    I'm amazed at the tRumpsters that completely ignore the GOP witnesses. OAN tells them that it's a fake hearing so they go with that instead of paying any attention whatsoever.

    I continue to be amazed at how they ignore facts/truth that are laid out in front of them. Unreal.
    They’ve blown it off aa an attempt by dems to distract from Joe’s current “disaster” of a presidency and don’t see anywhere Trump has broken the law, 
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 42,807
    edited August 1
    I'm amazed at the tRumpsters that completely ignore the GOP witnesses. OAN tells them that it's a fake hearing so they go with that instead of paying any attention whatsoever.

    I continue to be amazed at how they ignore facts/truth that are laid out in front of them. Unreal.
    They’ve blown it off aa an attempt by dems to distract from Joe’s current “disaster” of a presidency and don’t see anywhere Trump has broken the law, 
    45% of this country is so far gone at this point, there's just no saving them. This country is so fucked moving forward.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 31,454
    benjs said:
    TJ25487 said:
    "Is The J6 Committee Trying To Get Trump Re Elected?

    This may come as a shocker to Washington, but Congress’s J6 obsession is not high on Americans’ list of critical issues.

    Author JB Shurk profile
    J.B. SHURK

    Now that anonymous sources are leaking to The Washington Post that the Department of Justice is officially targeting former President Donald Trump with criminal charges, this is a good time to ask: Just how crazy are the occupants of Washington, D.C.? Do they really think they will indict, prosecute, convict, and imprison the Republican frontrunner for president in 2024 without creating a massive amount of public backlash?

    For half the country, trying to take down Trump for giving a speech over a mile away from the Capitol on Jan. 6 while hardly anybody has been held accountable for the atrocious Russia collusion hoax that nearly destroyed his presidency will be nothing less than total confirmation of a two-tiered and irreparably corrupt justice system and could permanently tear the nation in two. 

    This may come as a shocker to Washington, but Congress’s J6 obsession is not high on Americans’ list of critical issues. Polls show the American people’s top concerns are skyrocketing inflation and economic uncertainty, not what happened on Jan. 6. To say that the American government and the American people are not speaking the same language right now is an understatement.

    A Soviet-Like Spectacle

    Had Attorney General Merrick Garland felt that Trump had potentially committed a crime before leaving office, he should have pursued an investigation free from the overtly political atmosphere created by Congress’s J6 committee hearings. Whatever Nancy Pelosi’s Jan. 6 Committee is, it has not been a courtroom pursuing justice. Though witnesses are brought before the committee to “confess,” as Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., so Stalin-esquely put it, there is no one cross-examining their testimony for truth or accuracy.

    While one side presents a damning case against anyone who even thought about attending rallies near the Capitol that day, there is no defense counsel to challenge evidence, offer competing explanations, or provide mitigating circumstances on the accused’s behalf. No one is present to contest the committee’s allegations at all. Third-party hearsay evidence, normally inadmissible in courts of law, is used to advance the committee’s narratives. For that matter, long-winded and rhetorical political speeches from admittedly biased committee members advance theories of the case not grounded in evidence at all. Exculpatory evidence that might call into question the committee’s grave charges is regularly excluded.

    Still, the whole proceeding is conducted with such an air of legal seriousness that an ordinary observer could be excused for mistaking it as a place for justice. It is difficult to watch a spectacle such as this one in America, a nation that has generally managed to avoid the kind of theatrical show trials we normally associate with Soviet Russia’s Iron Curtain days. Yet here we are. The end result is that the Jan. 6 Committee has permanently destroyed any veneer of objectivity and effectively tainted any potential jury pool by flooding primetime television viewing audiences with misinformation and salacious gossip.

    Goal to Box Out Trump

    While PelosiGarland, and President Joe Biden all insist that J6 investigations into Trump are serious legal matters, the nearly two-year public spectacle is so over-the-top that it is difficult not to conclude that the J6 committee’s principal concern is keeping Trump from running for president again in 2024. Rep. Cheney has gone so far as to explicitly make this point by asserting that he “must never again be anywhere close to the Oval Office.” In a nation with democratic elections, that would presumably be a decision for the voters to make.

    Cheney and her colleagues, however, either fear that the American people will make the wrong choice, or they don’t really believe in the value of democratic elections as much as they claim. Either way, the J6 Commission’s efforts to turn President Trump into a criminal target for the Justice Department seem like a cynical bureaucratic workaround for depriving the people of their chance to decide Trump’s fitness for office on their own.

    Should Congress’s J6 committee hearings not succeed in keeping Trump off the 2024 ballot, they may ironically be seen years from now as having done much to help Trump get reelected. It’s interesting to go back in time to the fall of 2015 when the Republican primaries were still months away and Republican voters had a veritable all-star class of candidates from whom to choose. According to an Associated Press-GfK poll at the time, an overwhelming 77 percent of Republican voters preferred “an outsider candidate who will change how things are done, rather than someone with experience in Washington who can get things done.” Republicans were so committed to choosing an “outsider” that their top two choices for the White House according to the poll were Ben Carson and Donald Trump.

    Although political pundits expected primary voters to change their minds as the 2016 state contests arrived, Republicans’ desire for an “outsider” not only clinched Trump’s nomination but also assured his general election victory. Nothing about the electorate’s mood today suggests that Republican voters are eager to return to mainstream establishment political candidates.

    Washington’s vast Never Trump coalition would have been most successful in tanking Trump’s political chances in either 2020 or 2024 had they found a way to embrace him as one of their own, force him to compromise his goals and betray his promises, and leave Americans with the impression that Trump had played voters seeking an “outsider” as fools. Instead, nonstop attacks from D.C.’s permanent bureaucracy have been the hallmarks of the Trump presidency.

    From the Russia collusion hoax, the two-year Mueller inquisition, two congressional impeachments, countless administration betrayals, and now two additional years of J6 investigations intent on seeking his prosecution and conviction, it is unmistakably clear that Trump is just as much an outsider today as he was before his first victory. And should voters’ appetites for an outsider candidacy remain as high as they were in 2016, then nobody will have greater tried and true credibility than Trump.

    I notice that the handful of conservatives that rotate through these parts seem to make appearances when Trump is playing a defence position. I'm not much of a believer in coincidence, so I have to believe you and your ilk are afraid of his diminishing power, which is great!

    This article is an opinion piece, and it's full of nonsense.

    1. Trump's Jan 6 issues are disingenuously presented here. If the author watched any of the hearings, this would be known by them. A simple example - the author's recognition that Jan 6 started "over a mile from the Capital building", but doesn't mention relevant insights like Trump knew they were armed and told them to walk with him to the Capital building
    2. While Senate predictions are moving in favour of a Democratic senate that would disagree with the poll statements in the article, the best approach is probably to ignore the polls and focus on the media sentiment. On that front, it's funny to me that the author doesn't mention Rupert Murdoch's latest departures with the Trump cabal
    3. The author doesn't seem to know the difference between Congress and the DOJ's responsibilities, as they pertain to 'presenting a case'. Congress's responsibility, is to shine a light in the direction of potential impropriety if they feel it exists (to inform the public), and thereby signal their concern to the DOJ. Their burden is not to present criminal evidence, but to present 'oddities' that suggest a DOJ investigation is warranted. Once on the stand in a DOJ investigation, they will have a heightened burden of proof required to prosecute
    4. A "theatrical show trial"? The reason there were disagreements on which Republicans would be part of the investigation, is because none of them could be trusted to be in front of a TV screen and not make a buffoonish presentation of political hackery.
    5. The concept that the team is keeping this alive for as long as they can is possibly true, but they're also sharing new information at a rapid cadence, which justifies the approach. If they took the common Republican approach of "just delay, never actually do anything", then I'd have an issue.
    6. Statements like "______ should never be in office again" are made by politicians all the time. If there are no issues with Fox News spoon-feeding people what to think and do, then the insinuation that a politician is required to shut up about the opposition is total BS
    7. It's telling that to find a poll which signals that Republicans want more Trump as a result of the Jan 6 committee, the author goes back to 2015 to convey Republicans' desire for an "outsider". It's 2022 - where are the subsequent polls about the respect for the outsider?


    thank you for destroying that ridiculous link
    @benjs is always the calm among the storm. 

    But no matter how sense he makes and how provable his points are the cult members have drunk the kool-aid and cannot and will not be swayed.
    I heard a congressman from Arizona who stated that, "unless you've drunk the koolaid and are part of the cult," you can't get their support. I believe he either testified before the committee and/or voted for impeachment but he was saying how he was honest and had told the truth. The POOTWH supporters are delusional and they will be the reason for the elimination of democratic ideals. They've already moved on and prefer authoritarianism. As long as that authoritarianism protects them from the "other."
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 7,003
    edited August 1
    “Trump deserves life in prison if my father’s in prison for [7 years]”

    https://twitter.com/macfarlanenews/status/1554204595651596295?s=21&t=bjHyhaDrhsmeg60Wu2TALg

    She’s not wrong. 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 25,790
    edited August 3
    gift article....

    pentagon deleted texts too.....

    Post edited by mickeyrat on
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 8,721
    mickeyrat said:
    gift article....

    pentagon deleted texts too.....

    Yeah, well Hunter's laptop, Hillary's emails, Obama's tan suit and Gore's internet.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 4,856

    Pat Cipollone, cmon down, your the next contestant to…

    Now testify
    Yeah, testify
    It's right outside your door



    A federal grand jury has subpoenaed former Trump White House counsel Pat Cipollone in its investigation into the Jan. 6 assault on the U.S. Capitol and efforts to overturn the 2020 election, sources with direct knowledge of the matter told ABC News.

    The sources told ABC News that attorneys for Cipollone -- like they did with the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol -- are expected to engage in negotiations around any appearance, while weighing concerns regarding potential claims of executive privilege.

    The move to subpoena Cipollone signals an even more dramatic escalation in the Justice Department's investigation of the Jan. 6 attack than previously known, following appearances by senior members of former Vice President Mike Pence's staff before the grand jury two weeks ago.

  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 14,051


    This is fucking crazy. Jones' attorney accidentally sent his entire phone record (calls, texts, etc.) to the Sandy Hook parents attorney.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)

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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley #1, Wrigley #2, Boston #1, Boston #2
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 14,051


    you just can't make this shit up....
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
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    2020: Oakland1, Oakland2:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 25,790
    can you claim ineffective counsel in civil suits?
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  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 11,631


    This is fucking crazy. Jones' attorney accidentally sent his entire phone record (calls, texts, etc.) to the Sandy Hook parents attorney.
    This is great.   Lots of nervous people about those texts and emails tonight. 
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    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)

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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
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    2022: Oakland1, Oakland2
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 25,661


    you just can't make this shit up....
    It gets better watching it for the upteenth time 
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 1,608
    Haven’t been following that closely but I assume the financial documents in particular were supposed to be turned over anyway.

    the fact they didn’t could probably be a crime itself 

    if he claims he’s broke, financial documents would be required 
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    edited August 5
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 25,661
    he can't claim he is broke. he offered a million dollars to anybody that can find whomever "planted' the images of kiddie porn on his phone. you can't offer a million dollar reward if you are broke.
    4 million is a lot of money for regular folks but for this turd it’s not to damaging at all.
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 1,608
    mickeyrat said:
    can you claim ineffective counsel in civil suits?
    Not sure, wouldn’t surprise me though

    this is funny, but probably doesn’t help anyone but Jones

    On Wednesday, August 3rd, it was revealed that Jones’ lawyers accidentally emailed the full contents of his phone to the attorneys representing the parents, in the process providing dozens of emails and texts that contradicted Jones’ sworn testimony and suggesting he committed perjury.

    The reveal was so bizarre that longtime Law & Order writer David Slack weighed in writing that the twist was too outlandish for fiction, because “on Law & Order we wouldn’t have let a lawyer do something that dumb.”

  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 25,759
    he can't claim he is broke. he offered a million dollars to anybody that can find whomever "planted' the images of kiddie porn on his phone. you can't offer a million dollar reward if you are broke.
    4 million is a lot of money for regular folks but for this turd it’s not to damaging at all.
    These are compensatory damages.  The jury is still deliberating on punitive damages.  
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 7,003
    Almost $50M total. 

    WOW



  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 25,759
    Almost $50M total. 

    WOW



    Good start.  I think there are other cases out there too. 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 25,790
    mrussel1 said:
    Almost $50M total. 

    WOW



    Good start.  I think there are other cases out there too. 

    one more in Texas and one more in Connecticut
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 7,003
    I just read, that TX law may reduce that amount down closer to $10M, but the unanimous verdict restores a little of my faith in humanity. 
  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 1,608
    edited August 5
    I just read, that TX law may reduce that amount down closer to $10M, but the unanimous verdict restores a little of my faith in humanity. 
    It’s probably the lawsuit reform the governor championed that caps damages…. After of course he personally sued a homeowner for a branch that fell from a tree when he decided to go running in a windstorm and got way more in damages than the maximum allowable now 
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