as someone else said, this committee isn't going to put someone on the stand just for a "bombshell" moment and have it dismissed as hearsay. they have the testimony, then they present the corroborating evidence.
It sounds like most of her testimony is hearsay. Bring in the people she is naming as the source to the information if you want charges to come forth.
I’m not watching but that’s what I was wondering. His word against hers will result in nothing happening.
She heard the White House council say x. It’s first hand there. Then it’s pretty much going to force the White House counsel to answer questions. That’s first hand to trump
she put a lot of these people in much tougher positions than they were in yesterday
It sounds like most of her testimony is hearsay. Bring in the people she is naming as the source to the information if you want charges to come forth.
This isn't hearsay.. the limo stuff is.
“I was in the vicinity of a conversation where I overheard the president say something to the effect of, ‘I don’t f—— care that they have weapons. They’re not here to hurt me. Take the f—— mags away,’” Hutchinson testified.
Do you think the Beast Driver will be subpoenaed or has already given testimony? Bottom line is Field of Weeds knew what a shit show it was becoming and had become and wouldn’t confront POOTWH, despite knowing it was wrong. Cassidy has more spine and morals, a 24 yo lowly staffer, than all of the “men” surrounding POOTWH. They sold their souls.
It’s a slippery slope when your trying to get secret service to testify. If their job is protection, the protectee needs to be able to literally do anything without them saying anything otherwise they try to get away from their detail
however SS did testify in the Clinton scandal. Assault isn’t the focus so I would leave it be
Disagree. SS should testify when crimes are being investigated. Its not like we're seeking information on what was said between parties or attorney/client privilege. He was assaulted and can confirm the behavior, thus backing the testimony. Bring it on.
I’m not sure what else anyone with a sound mind might need to call this a chargeable offense by a losing president leading a coup! I’m just hoping we can get a ruling of him never ever being able to run for any public office again.
I’m not sure what else anyone with a sound mind might need to call this a chargeable offense by a losing president leading a coup! I’m just hoping we can get a ruling of him never ever being able to run for any public office again.
Unfortunately, I think barring 45 from ever being able to run for POTUS again is the best one can hope for. Sending him to jail (I doubt that will happen) would create a shit storm we probably don't want to see.
Edit: It won't happen, but add to that, take away his fucking number and forget he ever happened!
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“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
It sounds like most of her testimony is hearsay. Bring in the people she is naming as the source to the information if you want charges to come forth.
I’m not watching but that’s what I was wondering. His word against hers will result in nothing happening.
She heard the White House council say x. It’s first hand there. Then it’s pretty much going to force the White House counsel to answer questions. That’s first hand to trump
she put a lot of these people in much tougher positions than they were in yesterday
I guess I’m thinking more about Trump voters. Most will say the witnesses are lying. The others won’t care because nothing is worse than electing a Socialist democrat who is going to destroy their way of life.
I have very low expectations about legal outcomes for Trump since he’s had zero consequences up to now.
It sounds like most of her testimony is hearsay. Bring in the people she is naming as the source to the information if you want charges to come forth.
I’m not watching but that’s what I was wondering. His word against hers will result in nothing happening.
She heard the White House council say x. It’s first hand there. Then it’s pretty much going to force the White House counsel to answer questions. That’s first hand to trump
she put a lot of these people in much tougher positions than they were in yesterday
I guess I’m thinking more about Trump voters. Most will say the witnesses are lying. The others won’t care because nothing is worse than electing a Socialist democrat who is going to destroy their way of life.
I have very low expectations about legal outcomes for Trump since he’s had zero consequences up to now.
My expectations are low too.
Plus Trumpers with even basic morals like her just killed their career. Whoever is left, is pretty much the worst of the worst. That’s who’s staffing the next administration if he wins
It sounds like most of her testimony is hearsay. Bring in the people she is naming as the source to the information if you want charges to come forth.
I’m not watching but that’s what I was wondering. His word against hers will result in nothing happening.
She heard the White House council say x. It’s first hand there. Then it’s pretty much going to force the White House counsel to answer questions. That’s first hand to trump
she put a lot of these people in much tougher positions than they were in yesterday
I guess I’m thinking more about Trump voters. Most will say the witnesses are lying. The others won’t care because nothing is worse than electing a Socialist democrat who is going to destroy their way of life.
I have very low expectations about legal outcomes for Trump since he’s had zero consequences up to now.
I’m thinking the most likely outcome will be he agrees to never run again in lieu of being prosecuted. But that is my take now but let’s see if there is any direct electronic evidence.
dudes, the committee has him. each witness is tying trump more and more to this and that it was planned ahead of time. they would not be doing all of this to present this evidence just to let him off with no punishment. doj is going to be forced to charge and arrest him. this committee is going to make the mueller report look like some lullaby you sing a child to sleep with.
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dudes, the committee has him. each witness is tying trump more and more to this and that it was planned ahead of time. they would not be doing all of this to present this evidence just to let him off with no punishment. doj is going to be forced to charge and arrest him. this committee is going to make the mueller report look like some lullaby you sing a child to sleep with.
He will just run for president from jail, pardon himself and then who knows what
There is historical precedent. In 1992, Lyndon LaRouche became the second person in U.S. history (after Eugene Debs) to run for president from a prison cell.
the DOJ probably can charge him. I’m not sure they should. Having him being a “political prisoner” won’t end well
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dudes, the committee has him. each witness is tying trump more and more to this and that it was planned ahead of time. they would not be doing all of this to present this evidence just to let him off with no punishment. doj is going to be forced to charge and arrest him. this committee is going to make the mueller report look like some lullaby you sing a child to sleep with.
He will just run for president from jail, pardon himself and then who knows what
There is historical precedent. In 1992, Lyndon LaRouche became the second person in U.S. history (after Eugene Debs) to run for president from a prison cell.
the DOJ probably can charge him. I’m not sure they should. Having him being a “political prisoner” won’t end well
A betting pool on this one would be wild (just kidding, KAT, SEA, we won't be doing that!). I wouldn't know how to place my bet. I'm also not sure what the ramifications of any outcome of all this will be. Throw him in jail and his followers will go rabid and become more dangerous. Slap him on the wrist and that will tell people, "You can be seditious and get away with it!" It almost seems like a no-win situation to me. Maybe I'm missing something here.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Trump isn't doing time, ever. I believe he has no plans to run again. Been there, done that. No way he risks losing again. He accomplished what he wanted. He'll keep up his act with the tours until he dies though because he loves attention. When the time comes, he'll officially make it sound like it was his idea to not run because he believes it's time for DeSantis to carry his Save America agenda forward. In no way should the goal of these hearings be for him not to run again. That's small potatoes. Charge him and make a plea deal that includes monetary settlement for the cost of the hearings and anything associated with Jan. 6th damages. Then let the civil suits bury him forever.
Not charging POOTWH, if he's so indicted, is worse than charging him, regardless of the outcome of charging him. POTUS, regardless of party, personality, position, etc. is not above the law. Nor should they be.
dudes, the committee has him. each witness is tying trump more and more to this and that it was planned ahead of time. they would not be doing all of this to present this evidence just to let him off with no punishment. doj is going to be forced to charge and arrest him. this committee is going to make the mueller report look like some lullaby you sing a child to sleep with.
He will just run for president from jail, pardon himself and then who knows what
There is historical precedent. In 1992, Lyndon LaRouche became the second person in U.S. history (after Eugene Debs) to run for president from a prison cell.
the DOJ probably can charge him. I’m not sure they should. Having him being a “political prisoner” won’t end well
A betting pool on this one would be wild (just kidding, KAT, SEA, we won't be doing that!). I wouldn't know how to place my bet. I'm also not sure what the ramifications of any outcome of all this will be. Throw him in jail and his followers will go rabid and become more dangerous. Slap him on the wrist and that will tell people, "You can be seditious and get away with it!" It almost seems like a no-win situation to me. Maybe I'm missing something here.
I think the betting odds are 100 percent that he runs for president if he is in jail.
if he’s not in jail the odds are lower
odds he wins in jail, have got to be 50/50, probably similar to his odds of winning out of jail. I really don’t want to see how messy that gets if he wins/or loses from Federal Prison.
It wouldn’t be Trump if you didn’t have to decide between two impossible choices
It sounds like most of her testimony is hearsay. Bring in the people she is naming as the source to the information if you want charges to come forth.
I’m not watching but that’s what I was wondering. His word against hers will result in nothing happening.
She heard the White House council say x. It’s first hand there. Then it’s pretty much going to force the White House counsel to answer questions. That’s first hand to trump
she put a lot of these people in much tougher positions than they were in yesterday
I guess I’m thinking more about Trump voters. Most will say the witnesses are lying. The others won’t care because nothing is worse than electing a Socialist democrat who is going to destroy their way of life.
I have very low expectations about legal outcomes for Trump since he’s had zero consequences up to now.
There's literally nothing that can flip a third of the country on Trump. They hear almost nothing and even when they do it's all a conspiracy. Everything we're hearing could be filmed and they'd never believe it.
And yeah, there's really no chance that anything happens to him legally. It's just not where we are as a country right now.
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there is going to be violence either way. no matter what happens, there will be violence.
people are going to be protesting in dc calling for trump to be arrested, and counter protesters will show up and there will be violence then.
there are sleeper cells all over the place. we know the proud boys and that type, but there are cells that are just lying low waiting to attack if trump gets arrested.
in the end the government must send the message that a- what trump did was not okay and anybody involved is going to jail, or b- what trump did is not cool but whatever he was a president so he gets away with everything.
in my opinion, we have to go with option a, no matter how painful the repercussions. what he did must not be allowed to be unchecked. because the next person to try it will succeed knowing that they face no real consequences. sedition must not go unpunished ever.
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there is going to be violence either way. no matter what happens, there will be violence.
people are going to be protesting in dc calling for trump to be arrested, and counter protesters will show up and there will be violence then.
there are sleeper cells all over the place. we know the proud boys and that type, but there are cells that are just lying low waiting to attack if trump gets arrested.
in the end the government must send the message that a- what trump did was not okay and anybody involved is going to jail, or b- what trump did is not cool but whatever he was a president so he gets away with everything.
in my opinion, we have to go with option a, no matter how painful the repercussions. what he did must not be allowed to be unchecked. because the next person to try it will succeed knowing that they face no real consequences. sedition must not go unpunished ever.
I agree he had to face consequences no matter the repercussions. You can’t have an attempted coup go unpunished. I know it will be ugly and will take a long long time to heal the wounds that come from it but it has to be done.
there is going to be violence either way. no matter what happens, there will be violence.
people are going to be protesting in dc calling for trump to be arrested, and counter protesters will show up and there will be violence then.
there are sleeper cells all over the place. we know the proud boys and that type, but there are cells that are just lying low waiting to attack if trump gets arrested.
in the end the government must send the message that a- what trump did was not okay and anybody involved is going to jail, or b- what trump did is not cool but whatever he was a president so he gets away with everything.
in my opinion, we have to go with option a, no matter how painful the repercussions. what he did must not be allowed to be unchecked. because the next person to try it will succeed knowing that they face no real consequences. sedition must not go unpunished ever.
I agree he had to face consequences no matter the repercussions. You can’t have an attempted coup go unpunished. I know it will be ugly and will take a long long time to heal the wounds that come from it but it has to be done.
the question is do we want to take care of it now and get it out of the way, or do we wait until the gop takes over in 2024 and everyone gets pardoned and it all gets swept under the rug? then the kids will ask, "why am i going to jail for a bag of weed when the president attempted to overthrow the government and nothing happened to him?"
this cannot go unchecked. we went to war to create this country. we went to another war to keep it together. and now we are just going to let this slide like nothing happened? fuck that.
the democrats do not have the spine for it. if the shoe were on the other foot and biden was president in 2020 and lost and tried to steal it to stay in office, i think we know how swiftly the gop would have dealt with him.
the democrats cannot sit back and email everyday asking for $15 bucks to fight the republicans. the dems are in charge, and they have to see that justice is done.
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i kinda think trump thought going into the capitol with his proud boys on 1/6 was going to be his "mussolini moment". like in 1919 when mussolini and his blackshirts went in and claimed the italian government.
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The more I think about it, the most compelling part of the testimony today was the sheer number of different people she overheard and had interactions with. It’s extremely hard to refute unless all these people testify and lie under oath.
If she was stuck in Meadow’s office all day and just talked to Meadows it would be less damaging. He could say no I didn’t say that and then it’s her word against his
It’s not a he said she said situation with no one else present.
some of it was second hand sure (meadow’s told me Trump said etc) but the people she heard were the inner circle. It was so specific and detailed too
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The more I think about it, the most compelling part of the testimony today was the sheer number of different people she overheard and had interactions with. It’s extremely hard to refute unless all these people testify and lie under oath.
If she was stuck in Meadow’s office all day and just talked to Meadows it would be less damaging. He could say no I didn’t say that and then it’s her word against his
It’s not a he said she said situation with no one else present.
some of it was second hand sure (meadow’s told me Trump said etc) but the people she heard were the inner circle. It was so specific and detailed too
She was a great witness. Exceeded my expectations actually.
Now they need to get Cipolline, Meadows, the driver Trump lunged at, etc, etc to corroborate what she said and boom---that is a pretty air tight case.
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she put a lot of these people in much tougher positions than they were in yesterday
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“I was in the vicinity of a conversation where I overheard the president say something to the effect of, ‘I don’t f—— care that they have weapons. They’re not here to hurt me. Take the f—— mags away,’” Hutchinson testified.
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however SS did testify in the Clinton scandal. Assault isn’t the focus so I would leave it be
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it may not be helping anything
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
There is historical precedent. In 1992, Lyndon LaRouche became the second person in U.S. history (after Eugene Debs) to run for president from a prison cell.
the DOJ probably can charge him. I’m not sure they should. Having him being a “political prisoner” won’t end well
A betting pool on this one would be wild (just kidding, KAT, SEA, we won't be doing that!). I wouldn't know how to place my bet. I'm also not sure what the ramifications of any outcome of all this will be. Throw him in jail and his followers will go rabid and become more dangerous. Slap him on the wrist and that will tell people, "You can be seditious and get away with it!" It almost seems like a no-win situation to me. Maybe I'm missing something here.
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if he’s not in jail the odds are lower
odds he wins in jail, have got to be 50/50, probably similar to his odds of winning out of jail. I really don’t want to see how messy that gets if he wins/or loses from Federal Prison.
It wouldn’t be Trump if you didn’t have to decide between two impossible choices
And yeah, there's really no chance that anything happens to him legally. It's just not where we are as a country right now.
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people are going to be protesting in dc calling for trump to be arrested, and counter protesters will show up and there will be violence then.
there are sleeper cells all over the place. we know the proud boys and that type, but there are cells that are just lying low waiting to attack if trump gets arrested.
in the end the government must send the message that a- what trump did was not okay and anybody involved is going to jail, or b- what trump did is not cool but whatever he was a president so he gets away with everything.
in my opinion, we have to go with option a, no matter how painful the repercussions. what he did must not be allowed to be unchecked. because the next person to try it will succeed knowing that they face no real consequences. sedition must not go unpunished ever.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
this cannot go unchecked. we went to war to create this country. we went to another war to keep it together. and now we are just going to let this slide like nothing happened? fuck that.
the democrats do not have the spine for it. if the shoe were on the other foot and biden was president in 2020 and lost and tried to steal it to stay in office, i think we know how swiftly the gop would have dealt with him.
the democrats cannot sit back and email everyday asking for $15 bucks to fight the republicans. the dems are in charge, and they have to see that justice is done.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
some of it was second hand sure (meadow’s told me Trump said etc) but the people she heard were the inner circle. It was so specific and detailed too
She was a great witness. Exceeded my expectations actually.
Now they need to get Cipolline, Meadows, the driver Trump lunged at, etc, etc to corroborate what she said and boom---that is a pretty air tight case.