Jan 6 Select Committee

mrussel1

gimmesometruth27 said:

mickeyrat said:

apparently fox went commercial free for fucker carlsons show

probably did not have anybody that wanted to advertise on that show.

Didn't want people flipping to coverage. 

bootlegger10

If Trump is on tape saying Mike Pence deserved it then the trial should only take about 10 minutes. 

gimmesometruth27

bootlegger10 said:

If Trump is on tape saying Mike Pence deserved it then the trial should only take about 10 minutes. 

the issue is whether or not doj has the courage to actually indict him, bring charges, and try him. i do not have any faith that they are that brave.

Merkin Baller

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/january-6-committee-hearing-what-we-learned/

"Not only did President Trump refuse to tell the mob to leave the Capitol, he placed no call to any element of the United States government to instruct that the Capitol be defended," Cheney said. "He did not call his secretary of defense on January 6. He did not talk to his attorney general. He did not talk to the Department of Homeland Security. President Trump gave no order to deploy the National Guard that day. And he made no effort to work with the Department of Justice to coordinate and deploy law enforcement assets. Vice President Pence did each of those things." 

In audio the committee played, Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said Trump chief of staff Mark Meadows urged him to establish a "narrative" that Trump, not Pence, was in control and calling the shots. Milley said he viewed that request as "politics, politics, politics." 

mrussel1

bootlegger10 said:

If Trump is on tape saying Mike Pence deserved it then the trial should only take about 10 minutes. 

That's not a crime. 

static111

He already said Ivanka's testimony is wrong, because she "checked out" and was just listening to bill barr who did a "very bad job"

OnWis97

gimmesometruth27 said:

bootlegger10 said:

If Trump is on tape saying Mike Pence deserved it then the trial should only take about 10 minutes. 

the issue is whether or not doj has the courage to actually indict him, bring charges, and try him. i do not have any faith that they are that brave.

Yeah...does it really matter what comes out?  "It's Mueller Time! The Sequel."

bootlegger10

mrussel1 said:

bootlegger10 said:

If Trump is on tape saying Mike Pence deserved it then the trial should only take about 10 minutes. 

That's not a crime. 

I think his actions are treasonous.  The statement is damning.  

President wants re-election.   To stay in power.  Loses election.  VP's job is to certify the election.  President does not want VP to certify the election.  A crowd of the president's supporters storm the capital and shout they want to hang Pence.  The President's reaction is to say he deserves it and not to take any action to tell his supporters to go home (or just as president in general to tell people not to riot at the Capitol).

That is the action of a dictator.  He is trying to hold onto power and by his very statement was okay if the VP was harmed doing his constitutional duty. 

Treason.      

mrussel1

bootlegger10 said:

mrussel1 said:

bootlegger10 said:

If Trump is on tape saying Mike Pence deserved it then the trial should only take about 10 minutes. 

That's not a crime. 

I think his actions are treasonous.  The statement is damning.  

President wants re-election.   To stay in power.  Loses election.  VP's job is to certify the election.  President does not want VP to certify the election.  A crowd of the president's supporters storm the capital and shout they want to hang Pence.  The President's reaction is to say he deserves it and not to take any action to tell his supporters to go home (or just as president in general to tell people not to riot at the Capitol).

That is the action of a dictator.  He is trying to hold onto power and by his very statement was okay if the VP was harmed doing his constitutional duty. 

Treason.      

I think several of his actions may rise to the level of criminal, starting with seditious conspiracy.  However, the hanging statement isn't illegal.  It could be impeachable, but that is a different standard (and he isn't in office). 

Johnny Abruzzo

The Juggler said:

Pretty solid start. 

It was quite riveting and full of undeniable evidence. Honestly I was surprised how well they put it together.

bootlegger10

mrussel1 said:

bootlegger10 said:

mrussel1 said:

bootlegger10 said:

If Trump is on tape saying Mike Pence deserved it then the trial should only take about 10 minutes. 

That's not a crime. 

I think his actions are treasonous.  The statement is damning.  

President wants re-election.   To stay in power.  Loses election.  VP's job is to certify the election.  President does not want VP to certify the election.  A crowd of the president's supporters storm the capital and shout they want to hang Pence.  The President's reaction is to say he deserves it and not to take any action to tell his supporters to go home (or just as president in general to tell people not to riot at the Capitol).

That is the action of a dictator.  He is trying to hold onto power and by his very statement was okay if the VP was harmed doing his constitutional duty. 

Treason.      

I think several of his actions may rise to the level of criminal, starting with seditious conspiracy.  However, the hanging statement isn't illegal.  It could be impeachable, but that is a different standard (and he isn't in office). 

The statement in it of itself no. If he said that five days later than so be it.  I think the context of when he said it is evidence of his state of mind at the time and his acceptance of the riot versus trying to stop it.  Saying that when Pence is currently at-risk and not doing anything to stop it shows that he is supporting the behavior of the rioters.

mrussel1

bootlegger10 said:

mrussel1 said:

bootlegger10 said:

mrussel1 said:

bootlegger10 said:

If Trump is on tape saying Mike Pence deserved it then the trial should only take about 10 minutes. 

That's not a crime. 

I think his actions are treasonous.  The statement is damning.  

President wants re-election.   To stay in power.  Loses election.  VP's job is to certify the election.  President does not want VP to certify the election.  A crowd of the president's supporters storm the capital and shout they want to hang Pence.  The President's reaction is to say he deserves it and not to take any action to tell his supporters to go home (or just as president in general to tell people not to riot at the Capitol).

That is the action of a dictator.  He is trying to hold onto power and by his very statement was okay if the VP was harmed doing his constitutional duty. 

Treason.      

I think several of his actions may rise to the level of criminal, starting with seditious conspiracy.  However, the hanging statement isn't illegal.  It could be impeachable, but that is a different standard (and he isn't in office). 

The statement in it of itself no. If he said that five days later than so be it.  I think the context of when he said it is evidence of his state of mind at the time and his acceptance of the riot versus trying to stop it.  Saying that when Pence is currently at-risk and not doing anything to stop it shows that he is supporting the behavior of the rioters.

100%

Smellyman

mickeyrat said:

apparently fox went commercial free for fucker carlsons show

“Fox News is willing to lose money to keep their viewers from flipping over and accidentally learning information.” -Stephen Colbert

gimmesometruth27

in the united states, is treason a capital offense? back in the uk you would be hanged, drawn, and quartered for it. 

i am pretty anti death penalty with the exception of cases of treason. i think it should be punishable by blood eagle.

Johnny Abruzzo

gimmesometruth27 said:

in the united states, is treason a capital offense? back in the uk you would be hanged, drawn, and quartered for it. 

i am pretty anti death penalty with the exception of cases of treason. i think it should be punishable by blood eagle.

I don’t support the death penalty. That’s for the Big Government Republicans. 

HughFreakingDillon

I'd rather receive monthly updates of how miserable he is in prison. lol

josevolution

HughFreakingDillon said:

I'd rather receive monthly updates of how miserable he is in prison. lol

This! Man I’d laugh for years if we could see him in an Orange jump suit! 

mrussel1

gimmesometruth27 said:

in the united states, is treason a capital offense? back in the uk you would be hanged, drawn, and quartered for it. 

i am pretty anti death penalty with the exception of cases of treason. i think it should be punishable by blood eagle.

Treason is the only offense mentioned in the constitution.  But it is assisting an enemy of the United States. What he did is closer to sedition. 

mickeyrat

mrussel1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

in the united states, is treason a capital offense? back in the uk you would be hanged, drawn, and quartered for it. 

i am pretty anti death penalty with the exception of cases of treason. i think it should be punishable by blood eagle.

Treason is the only offense mentioned in the constitution.  But it is assisting an enemy of the United States. What he did is closer to sedition. 

I'd like a read out from Helsinki

and what exactly werethe top secret or clasdified docs that went to mar a lago...

Out of My Mind and Time

josevolution said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I'd rather receive monthly updates of how miserable he is in prison. lol

This! Man I’d laugh for years if we could see him in an Orange jump suit! 

Ha! Now you sound like the Lock her up crowd.