The more I think about it, the most compelling part of the testimony today was the sheer number of different people she overheard and had interactions with. It’s extremely hard to refute unless all these people testify and lie under oath.
If she was stuck in Meadow’s office all day and just talked to Meadows it would be less damaging. He could say no I didn’t say that and then it’s her word against his
It’s not a he said she said situation with no one else present.
some of it was second hand sure (meadow’s told me Trump said etc) but the people she heard were the inner circle. It was so specific and detailed too
She was a great witness. Exceeded my expectations actually.
Now they need to get Cipolline, Meadows, the driver Trump lunged at, etc, etc to corroborate what she said and boom---that is a pretty air tight case.
Yeah, the White House counsel is the linchpin. Plus he can save himself. She gave him an out saying he was running all over the place trying to stop some of it.
If he wasn’t 100 percent on board anyway, she just might have forced his hand. He already doesn’t look good to trump world. Grab the life boat man
Gee, I wonder if Obama ever threw his White House dining wear across the room so the ketchup dribbled down the wall? I wonder if anyone had to remind him that it’s the people’s house and that he’s a guest and to mind his manners?
“Let my people in!” POOTWH demanding that armed protesters be allowed into his rally at the Ellipse. The same people that would March on the Capitol and assault Capitol police officers.
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there is going to be violence either way. no matter what happens, there will be violence.
people are going to be protesting in dc calling for trump to be arrested, and counter protesters will show up and there will be violence then.
there are sleeper cells all over the place. we know the proud boys and that type, but there are cells that are just lying low waiting to attack if trump gets arrested.
in the end the government must send the message that a- what trump did was not okay and anybody involved is going to jail, or b- what trump did is not cool but whatever he was a president so he gets away with everything.
in my opinion, we have to go with option a, no matter how painful the repercussions. what he did must not be allowed to be unchecked. because the next person to try it will succeed knowing that they face no real consequences. sedition must not go unpunished ever.
Yeah, I hate to have to agree with this, but I don't see how it's avoidable. I live in one of the most conservative counties in California (yes, folks, they do exist, and this one is definitely more Trump territory than not), and I can feel the anger and hate. I don't get out a whole lot these days, but generally when I do, the anger is there. It can be sensed it in the tones of voice, facial expression, body language of people.
Another thing I've noticed: the target shooting has scaled way back around here. That's great news for my ears and my anxiety, but there's also a dark side to this. Ammo is getting harder to come by and people are hoarding it. I read one guy on another forum mention having the ability to produce hundreds of thousands of rounds. A lot of the pro gun people know how to produce ammunition via "reloading". I go out of my way to not piss off people around here. It sucks to be so wary, but it is what it is. I think unless one is a warrior type, it is best to not stir the hornets' nest. I admire the warriors (men and women) but I'm not built that way.
I also tend to go with option A. If 45 just gets a slap on the hand, the door is wide open.
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there is going to be violence either way. no matter what happens, there will be violence.
people are going to be protesting in dc calling for trump to be arrested, and counter protesters will show up and there will be violence then.
there are sleeper cells all over the place. we know the proud boys and that type, but there are cells that are just lying low waiting to attack if trump gets arrested.
in the end the government must send the message that a- what trump did was not okay and anybody involved is going to jail, or b- what trump did is not cool but whatever he was a president so he gets away with everything.
in my opinion, we have to go with option a, no matter how painful the repercussions. what he did must not be allowed to be unchecked. because the next person to try it will succeed knowing that they face no real consequences. sedition must not go unpunished ever.
Yeah, I hate to have to agree with this, but I don't see how it's avoidable. I live in one of the most conservative counties in California (yes, folks, they do exist, and this one is definitely more Trump territory than not), and I can feel the anger and hate. I don't get out a whole lot these days, but generally when I do, the anger is there. It can be sensed it in the tones of voice, facial expression, body language of people.
Another thing I've noticed: the target shooting has scaled way back around here. That's great news for my ears and my anxiety, but there's also a dark side to this. Ammo is getting harder to come by and people are hoarding it. I read one guy on another forum mention having the ability to produce hundreds of thousands of rounds. A lot of the pro gun people know how to produce ammunition via "reloading". I go out of my way to not piss off people around here. It sucks to be so wary, but it is what it is. I think unless one is a warrior type, it is best to not stir the hornets' nest. I admire the warriors (men and women) but I'm not built that way.
I also tend to go with option A. If 45 just gets a slap on the hand, the door is wide open.
To be honest, if a former POTUS actually gets charged successfully, I think it'll signal a new era that ceases to tolerate this nonsense.
One more thing - I truly can't wrap my head around the presidential pardon. It's such an obvious opportunity for abuse, and this saga tells that story perfectly.
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Is there anything to corroborate the testimony? So far this looks like a chance to sensationalize the TV aspect of the hearing. It seems like a lot of people are spiking the ball and celebrating. Am I missing something from this testimony that can't be denied or refuted by others?
Ironically, I think the limo story might serve to save Trump. People are coming out of the woodwork to say that it’s not true and if it’s not true the rest of what she said will be deemed untrue.
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Is there anything to corroborate the testimony? So far this looks like a chance to sensationalize the TV aspect of the hearing. It seems like a lot of people are spiking the ball and celebrating. Am I missing something from this testimony that can't be denied or refuted by others?
In a sane world, testimony under oath would carry more weight than claims made by people who won't / refuse to testify under oath.
Ironically, I think the limo story might serve to save Trump. People are coming out of the woodwork to say that it’s not true and if it’s not true the rest of what she said will be deemed untrue.
They could subpoena the other people who were in the limo.
Ironically, I think the limo story might serve to save Trump. People are coming out of the woodwork to say that it’s not true and if it’s not true the rest of what she said will be deemed untrue.
They could subpoena the other people who were in the limo.
Aren’t they saying it didn’t happen?
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Is there anything to corroborate the testimony? So far this looks like a chance to sensationalize the TV aspect of the hearing. It seems like a lot of people are spiking the ball and celebrating. Am I missing something from this testimony that can't be denied or refuted by others?
In a sane world, testimony under oath would carry more weight than claims made by people who won't / refuse to testify under oath.
I understand it isn't a sane world, though.
A sworn testimony from the coffee girl he barely knew that was mad at him for not letting her go to Marigoround
Is there anything to corroborate the testimony? So far this looks like a chance to sensationalize the TV aspect of the hearing. It seems like a lot of people are spiking the ball and celebrating. Am I missing something from this testimony that can't be denied or refuted by others?
In a sane world, testimony under oath would carry more weight than claims made by people who won't / refuse to testify under oath.
I understand it isn't a sane world, though.
A sworn testimony from the coffee girl he barely knew that was mad at him for not letting her go to Marigoround
Uh.....hoping this is sarcasm.
Edit---my bad, looks like it is. Off my game lately.
Is there anything to corroborate the testimony? So far this looks like a chance to sensationalize the TV aspect of the hearing. It seems like a lot of people are spiking the ball and celebrating. Am I missing something from this testimony that can't be denied or refuted by others?
In a sane world, testimony under oath would carry more weight than claims made by people who won't / refuse to testify under oath.
I understand it isn't a sane world, though.
A sworn testimony from the coffee girl he barely knew that was mad at him for not letting her go to Marigoround
One thing I’ve learned about Trump over the years is that he barely knows anybody.
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Is there anything to corroborate the testimony? So far this looks like a chance to sensationalize the TV aspect of the hearing. It seems like a lot of people are spiking the ball and celebrating. Am I missing something from this testimony that can't be denied or refuted by others?
In a sane world, testimony under oath would carry more weight than claims made by people who won't / refuse to testify under oath.
I understand it isn't a sane world, though.
A sworn testimony from the coffee girl he barely knew that was mad at him for not letting her go to Marigoround
You’re believing what they want you to believe. She was a little more than a coffee girl. The committee has the goods to back Cassidy up.
If any of them, from POOTWH on down, want to refute anything Cassidy had to say, they’re welcome to tell their version of events or refute what she said to the committee. Under oath and before the American people with legal representation present.
Ironically, I think the limo story might serve to save Trump. People are coming out of the woodwork to say that it’s not true and if it’s not true the rest of what she said will be deemed untrue.
They could subpoena the other people who were in the limo.
Is there anything to corroborate the testimony? So far this looks like a chance to sensationalize the TV aspect of the hearing. It seems like a lot of people are spiking the ball and celebrating. Am I missing something from this testimony that can't be denied or refuted by others?
In a sane world, testimony under oath would carry more weight than claims made by people who won't / refuse to testify under oath.
I understand it isn't a sane world, though.
A sworn testimony from the coffee girl he barely knew that was mad at him for not letting her go to Marigoround
Uh.....hoping this is sarcasm.
No it isn't. I think it is harsh realism with a sprinkling of cynicism. As far as The POOTWH and his legal team is concerned unless there is supporting evidence for her testimony, they can just claim it was a spurned employee with an axe to grind making up stories.
Is there anything to corroborate the testimony? So far this looks like a chance to sensationalize the TV aspect of the hearing. It seems like a lot of people are spiking the ball and celebrating. Am I missing something from this testimony that can't be denied or refuted by others?
In a sane world, testimony under oath would carry more weight than claims made by people who won't / refuse to testify under oath.
I understand it isn't a sane world, though.
A sworn testimony from the coffee girl he barely knew that was mad at him for not letting her go to Marigoround
Uh.....hoping this is sarcasm.
No it isn't. I think it is harsh realism with a sprinkling of cynicism. As far as The POOTWH and his legal team is concerned unless there is supporting evidence for her testimony, they can just claim it was a spurned employee with an axe to grind making up stories.
They can claim anything they want. But unless it’s under oath before the committee, it’s meaningless. 35% of POOTWH’s base, the deplorables, wouldn’t believe it regardless. That’s not the committee’s target audience.
Is there anything to corroborate the testimony? So far this looks like a chance to sensationalize the TV aspect of the hearing. It seems like a lot of people are spiking the ball and celebrating. Am I missing something from this testimony that can't be denied or refuted by others?
In a sane world, testimony under oath would carry more weight than claims made by people who won't / refuse to testify under oath.
I understand it isn't a sane world, though.
A sworn testimony from the coffee girl he barely knew that was mad at him for not letting her go to Marigoround
Uh.....hoping this is sarcasm.
No it isn't. I think it is harsh realism with a sprinkling of cynicism. As far as The POOTWH and his legal team is concerned unless there is supporting evidence for her testimony, they can just claim it was a spurned employee with an axe to grind making up stories.
spurned employee mad because the coup didnt allow her to keep her job?
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Is there anything to corroborate the testimony? So far this looks like a chance to sensationalize the TV aspect of the hearing. It seems like a lot of people are spiking the ball and celebrating. Am I missing something from this testimony that can't be denied or refuted by others?
there is going to be violence either way. no matter what happens, there will be violence.
people are going to be protesting in dc calling for trump to be arrested, and counter protesters will show up and there will be violence then.
there are sleeper cells all over the place. we know the proud boys and that type, but there are cells that are just lying low waiting to attack if trump gets arrested.
in the end the government must send the message that a- what trump did was not okay and anybody involved is going to jail, or b- what trump did is not cool but whatever he was a president so he gets away with everything.
in my opinion, we have to go with option a, no matter how painful the repercussions. what he did must not be allowed to be unchecked. because the next person to try it will succeed knowing that they face no real consequences. sedition must not go unpunished ever.
Yeah, I hate to have to agree with this, but I don't see how it's avoidable. I live in one of the most conservative counties in California (yes, folks, they do exist, and this one is definitely more Trump territory than not), and I can feel the anger and hate. I don't get out a whole lot these days, but generally when I do, the anger is there. It can be sensed it in the tones of voice, facial expression, body language of people.
Another thing I've noticed: the target shooting has scaled way back around here. That's great news for my ears and my anxiety, but there's also a dark side to this. Ammo is getting harder to come by and people are hoarding it. I read one guy on another forum mention having the ability to produce hundreds of thousands of rounds. A lot of the pro gun people know how to produce ammunition via "reloading". I go out of my way to not piss off people around here. It sucks to be so wary, but it is what it is. I think unless one is a warrior type, it is best to not stir the hornets' nest. I admire the warriors (men and women) but I'm not built that way.
I also tend to go with option A. If 45 just gets a slap on the hand, the door is wide open.
To be honest, if a former POTUS actually gets charged successfully, I think it'll signal a new era that ceases to tolerate this nonsense.
One more thing - I truly can't wrap my head around the presidential pardon. It's such an obvious opportunity for abuse, and this saga tells that story perfectly.
Agreed....it's insane but I don't think anyone ever thought that a piece of shit like tRump would ever get elected.
Honestly he could have abused it much worse than he did. He is such an asshole I think he was punishing some people for not licking his boots hard enough.
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Is there anything to corroborate the testimony? So far this looks like a chance to sensationalize the TV aspect of the hearing. It seems like a lot of people are spiking the ball and celebrating. Am I missing something from this testimony that can't be denied or refuted by others?
In a sane world, testimony under oath would carry more weight than claims made by people who won't / refuse to testify under oath.
I understand it isn't a sane world, though.
A sworn testimony from the coffee girl he barely knew that was mad at him for not letting her go to Marigoround
Uh.....hoping this is sarcasm.
No it isn't. I think it is harsh realism with a sprinkling of cynicism. As far as The POOTWH and his legal team is concerned unless there is supporting evidence for her testimony, they can just claim it was a spurned employee with an axe to grind making up stories.
They can claim anything they want. But unless it’s under oath before the committee, it’s meaningless. 35% of POOTWH’s base, the deplorables, wouldn’t believe it regardless. That’s not the committee’s target audience.
Is there anything to corroborate the testimony? So far this looks like a chance to sensationalize the TV aspect of the hearing. It seems like a lot of people are spiking the ball and celebrating. Am I missing something from this testimony that can't be denied or refuted by others?
In a sane world, testimony under oath would carry more weight than claims made by people who won't / refuse to testify under oath.
I understand it isn't a sane world, though.
A sworn testimony from the coffee girl he barely knew that was mad at him for not letting her go to Marigoround
Uh.....hoping this is sarcasm.
No it isn't. I think it is harsh realism with a sprinkling of cynicism. As far as The POOTWH and his legal team is concerned unless there is supporting evidence for her testimony, they can just claim it was a spurned employee with an axe to grind making up stories.
spurned employee mad because the coup didnt allow her to keep her job?
We wouldn't be surprised if POOTWH or his team lied under oath. Anyone can do it, especially if it can't be proved that they are lying, hell three SJs just did and nothing is going to happen to them. What is to stop anyone else from saying under oath that she is lying? Without evidence to back up her claims all we really have is a sworn "she said", which doesn't seem like strong enough evidence. I mean even if there is a broken plate somewhere, it can't really be proven that it brke because POOTWH threw it, it could have fell on the floor, staff might have dropped it etc. I certainly wouldn't want to set a precedent for one sworn testimony with no backing evidence being enough to send someone to be brought up on serious criminal charges and or sent to jail...no matter how much I dislike the person. As far as I see it, there needs to be more solid proof if you really want to do anything more than let the guy continue golfing and swindling.
Mickey, Trump said on Truth that she was mad because he personally turned her down to be part of the post White House team. Though not a sworn testimony, if brought up on charges I can see Trump taking the stand and making a sworn statement that she is a disgruntled former employee.
Is there anything to corroborate the testimony? So far this looks like a chance to sensationalize the TV aspect of the hearing. It seems like a lot of people are spiking the ball and celebrating. Am I missing something from this testimony that can't be denied or refuted by others?
Is there anything to corroborate the testimony? So far this looks like a chance to sensationalize the TV aspect of the hearing. It seems like a lot of people are spiking the ball and celebrating. Am I missing something from this testimony that can't be denied or refuted by others?
In a sane world, testimony under oath would carry more weight than claims made by people who won't / refuse to testify under oath.
I understand it isn't a sane world, though.
A sworn testimony from the coffee girl he barely knew that was mad at him for not letting her go to Marigoround
Uh.....hoping this is sarcasm.
No it isn't. I think it is harsh realism with a sprinkling of cynicism. As far as The POOTWH and his legal team is concerned unless there is supporting evidence for her testimony, they can just claim it was a spurned employee with an axe to grind making up stories.
They can claim anything they want. But unless it’s under oath before the committee, it’s meaningless. 35% of POOTWH’s base, the deplorables, wouldn’t believe it regardless. That’s not the committee’s target audience.
Is there anything to corroborate the testimony? So far this looks like a chance to sensationalize the TV aspect of the hearing. It seems like a lot of people are spiking the ball and celebrating. Am I missing something from this testimony that can't be denied or refuted by others?
In a sane world, testimony under oath would carry more weight than claims made by people who won't / refuse to testify under oath.
I understand it isn't a sane world, though.
A sworn testimony from the coffee girl he barely knew that was mad at him for not letting her go to Marigoround
Uh.....hoping this is sarcasm.
No it isn't. I think it is harsh realism with a sprinkling of cynicism. As far as The POOTWH and his legal team is concerned unless there is supporting evidence for her testimony, they can just claim it was a spurned employee with an axe to grind making up stories.
spurned employee mad because the coup didnt allow her to keep her job?
We wouldn't be surprised if POOTWH or his team lied under oath. Anyone can do it, especially if it can't be proved that they are lying, hell three SJs just did and nothing is going to happen to them. What is to stop anyone else from saying under oath that she is lying? Without evidence to back up her claims all we really have is a sworn "she said", which doesn't seem like strong enough evidence. I mean even if there is a broken plate somewhere, it can't really be proven that it brke because POOTWH threw it, it could have fell on the floor, staff might have dropped it etc. I certainly wouldn't want to set a precedent for one sworn testimony with no backing evidence being enough to send someone to be brought up on serious criminal charges and or sent to jail...no matter how much I dislike the person. As far as I see it, there needs to be more solid proof if you really want to do anything more than let the guy continue golfing and swindling.
Mickey, Trump said on Truth that she was mad because he personally turned her down to be part of the post White House team. Though not a sworn testimony, if brought up on charges I can see Trump taking the stand and making a sworn statement that she is a disgruntled former employee.
Trump or his team would first have to actually, TESTIFY UNDER OATH, in order to lie under oath, but you know... they're refusing to do that.
Is there anything to corroborate the testimony? So far this looks like a chance to sensationalize the TV aspect of the hearing. It seems like a lot of people are spiking the ball and celebrating. Am I missing something from this testimony that can't be denied or refuted by others?
In a sane world, testimony under oath would carry more weight than claims made by people who won't / refuse to testify under oath.
I understand it isn't a sane world, though.
A sworn testimony from the coffee girl he barely knew that was mad at him for not letting her go to Marigoround
Uh.....hoping this is sarcasm.
No it isn't. I think it is harsh realism with a sprinkling of cynicism. As far as The POOTWH and his legal team is concerned unless there is supporting evidence for her testimony, they can just claim it was a spurned employee with an axe to grind making up stories.
They can claim anything they want. But unless it’s under oath before the committee, it’s meaningless. 35% of POOTWH’s base, the deplorables, wouldn’t believe it regardless. That’s not the committee’s target audience.
Is there anything to corroborate the testimony? So far this looks like a chance to sensationalize the TV aspect of the hearing. It seems like a lot of people are spiking the ball and celebrating. Am I missing something from this testimony that can't be denied or refuted by others?
In a sane world, testimony under oath would carry more weight than claims made by people who won't / refuse to testify under oath.
I understand it isn't a sane world, though.
A sworn testimony from the coffee girl he barely knew that was mad at him for not letting her go to Marigoround
Uh.....hoping this is sarcasm.
No it isn't. I think it is harsh realism with a sprinkling of cynicism. As far as The POOTWH and his legal team is concerned unless there is supporting evidence for her testimony, they can just claim it was a spurned employee with an axe to grind making up stories.
spurned employee mad because the coup didnt allow her to keep her job?
We wouldn't be surprised if POOTWH or his team lied under oath. Anyone can do it, especially if it can't be proved that they are lying, hell three SJs just did and nothing is going to happen to them. What is to stop anyone else from saying under oath that she is lying? Without evidence to back up her claims all we really have is a sworn "she said", which doesn't seem like strong enough evidence. I mean even if there is a broken plate somewhere, it can't really be proven that it brke because POOTWH threw it, it could have fell on the floor, staff might have dropped it etc. I certainly wouldn't want to set a precedent for one sworn testimony with no backing evidence being enough to send someone to be brought up on serious criminal charges and or sent to jail...no matter how much I dislike the person. As far as I see it, there needs to be more solid proof if you really want to do anything more than let the guy continue golfing and swindling.
Mickey, Trump said on Truth that she was mad because he personally turned her down to be part of the post White House team. Though not a sworn testimony, if brought up on charges I can see Trump taking the stand and making a sworn statement that she is a disgruntled former employee.
To your first paragraph, that wasn’t the final, closing argument in a criminal trial. That was evidence presented to the American people. There are at least 3 more presentations of evidence scheduled as well as continuing solicitations to come forward and tell the committee what you know or to correct or clarify previous depositions.
DOJ is also conducting a criminal investigation of potential charges and have obtained search warrants for that effort. This ain’t over yet but it’s tasty fruit from the poisonous tree and I must say, the made for tv production is brilliant brilliance in all its brilliancy.
Is there anything to corroborate the testimony? So far this looks like a chance to sensationalize the TV aspect of the hearing. It seems like a lot of people are spiking the ball and celebrating. Am I missing something from this testimony that can't be denied or refuted by others?
In a sane world, testimony under oath would carry more weight than claims made by people who won't / refuse to testify under oath.
I understand it isn't a sane world, though.
A sworn testimony from the coffee girl he barely knew that was mad at him for not letting her go to Marigoround
Uh.....hoping this is sarcasm.
No it isn't. I think it is harsh realism with a sprinkling of cynicism. As far as The POOTWH and his legal team is concerned unless there is supporting evidence for her testimony, they can just claim it was a spurned employee with an axe to grind making up stories.
They can claim anything they want. But unless it’s under oath before the committee, it’s meaningless. 35% of POOTWH’s base, the deplorables, wouldn’t believe it regardless. That’s not the committee’s target audience.
Is there anything to corroborate the testimony? So far this looks like a chance to sensationalize the TV aspect of the hearing. It seems like a lot of people are spiking the ball and celebrating. Am I missing something from this testimony that can't be denied or refuted by others?
In a sane world, testimony under oath would carry more weight than claims made by people who won't / refuse to testify under oath.
I understand it isn't a sane world, though.
A sworn testimony from the coffee girl he barely knew that was mad at him for not letting her go to Marigoround
Uh.....hoping this is sarcasm.
No it isn't. I think it is harsh realism with a sprinkling of cynicism. As far as The POOTWH and his legal team is concerned unless there is supporting evidence for her testimony, they can just claim it was a spurned employee with an axe to grind making up stories.
spurned employee mad because the coup didnt allow her to keep her job?
We wouldn't be surprised if POOTWH or his team lied under oath. Anyone can do it, especially if it can't be proved that they are lying, hell three SJs just did and nothing is going to happen to them. What is to stop anyone else from saying under oath that she is lying? Without evidence to back up her claims all we really have is a sworn "she said", which doesn't seem like strong enough evidence. I mean even if there is a broken plate somewhere, it can't really be proven that it brke because POOTWH threw it, it could have fell on the floor, staff might have dropped it etc. I certainly wouldn't want to set a precedent for one sworn testimony with no backing evidence being enough to send someone to be brought up on serious criminal charges and or sent to jail...no matter how much I dislike the person. As far as I see it, there needs to be more solid proof if you really want to do anything more than let the guy continue golfing and swindling.
Mickey, Trump said on Truth that she was mad because he personally turned her down to be part of the post White House team. Though not a sworn testimony, if brought up on charges I can see Trump taking the stand and making a sworn statement that she is a disgruntled former employee.
Trump or his team would first have to actually, TESTIFY UNDER OATH, in order to lie under oath, but you know... they're refusing to do that.
Your logic is hard to follow.
If charges are actuallly made and brought against Trump based on sworn statement. Would Trump not have to at least be present for the trial and wouldn't it be in his interest to take the stand and lie under oath? Doesn't seem like a hard bridge to cross for me. Then you are left with a real he said she said, not exactly grounds to make a sound judgement. Of course that is assuming he doesn't lawyer up and stall all the way to his high court. My point is I don't think yesterdays testimony is as much of a slam dunk as people seem to be celebrating.
Is there anything to corroborate the testimony? So far this looks like a chance to sensationalize the TV aspect of the hearing. It seems like a lot of people are spiking the ball and celebrating. Am I missing something from this testimony that can't be denied or refuted by others?
In a sane world, testimony under oath would carry more weight than claims made by people who won't / refuse to testify under oath.
I understand it isn't a sane world, though.
A sworn testimony from the coffee girl he barely knew that was mad at him for not letting her go to Marigoround
Uh.....hoping this is sarcasm.
No it isn't. I think it is harsh realism with a sprinkling of cynicism. As far as The POOTWH and his legal team is concerned unless there is supporting evidence for her testimony, they can just claim it was a spurned employee with an axe to grind making up stories.
They can claim anything they want. But unless it’s under oath before the committee, it’s meaningless. 35% of POOTWH’s base, the deplorables, wouldn’t believe it regardless. That’s not the committee’s target audience.
Is there anything to corroborate the testimony? So far this looks like a chance to sensationalize the TV aspect of the hearing. It seems like a lot of people are spiking the ball and celebrating. Am I missing something from this testimony that can't be denied or refuted by others?
In a sane world, testimony under oath would carry more weight than claims made by people who won't / refuse to testify under oath.
I understand it isn't a sane world, though.
A sworn testimony from the coffee girl he barely knew that was mad at him for not letting her go to Marigoround
Uh.....hoping this is sarcasm.
No it isn't. I think it is harsh realism with a sprinkling of cynicism. As far as The POOTWH and his legal team is concerned unless there is supporting evidence for her testimony, they can just claim it was a spurned employee with an axe to grind making up stories.
spurned employee mad because the coup didnt allow her to keep her job?
We wouldn't be surprised if POOTWH or his team lied under oath. Anyone can do it, especially if it can't be proved that they are lying, hell three SJs just did and nothing is going to happen to them. What is to stop anyone else from saying under oath that she is lying? Without evidence to back up her claims all we really have is a sworn "she said", which doesn't seem like strong enough evidence. I mean even if there is a broken plate somewhere, it can't really be proven that it brke because POOTWH threw it, it could have fell on the floor, staff might have dropped it etc. I certainly wouldn't want to set a precedent for one sworn testimony with no backing evidence being enough to send someone to be brought up on serious criminal charges and or sent to jail...no matter how much I dislike the person. As far as I see it, there needs to be more solid proof if you really want to do anything more than let the guy continue golfing and swindling.
Mickey, Trump said on Truth that she was mad because he personally turned her down to be part of the post White House team. Though not a sworn testimony, if brought up on charges I can see Trump taking the stand and making a sworn statement that she is a disgruntled former employee.
To your first paragraph, that wasn’t the final, closing argument in a criminal trial. That was evidence presented to the American people. There are at least 3 more presentations of evidence scheduled as well as continuing solicitations to come forward and tell the committee what you know or to correct or clarify previous depositions.
DOJ is also conducting a criminal investigation of potential charges and have obtained search warrants for that effort. This ain’t over yet but it’s tasty fruit from the poisonous tree and I must say, the made for tv production is brilliant brilliance in all its brilliancy.
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Yeah, I hate to have to agree with this, but I don't see how it's avoidable. I live in one of the most conservative counties in California (yes, folks, they do exist, and this one is definitely more Trump territory than not), and I can feel the anger and hate. I don't get out a whole lot these days, but generally when I do, the anger is there. It can be sensed it in the tones of voice, facial expression, body language of people.
I go out of my way to not piss off people around here. It sucks to be so wary, but it is what it is. I think unless one is a warrior type, it is best to not stir the hornets' nest. I admire the warriors (men and women) but I'm not built that way.
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One more thing - I truly can't wrap my head around the presidential pardon. It's such an obvious opportunity for abuse, and this saga tells that story perfectly.
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In a sane world, testimony under oath would carry more weight than claims made by people who won't / refuse to testify under oath.
I understand it isn't a sane world, though.
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Edit---my bad, looks like it is. Off my game lately.
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If any of them, from POOTWH on down, want to refute anything Cassidy had to say, they’re welcome to tell their version of events or refute what she said to the committee. Under oath and before the American people with legal representation present.
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spurned employee mad because the coup didnt allow her to keep her job?
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Honestly he could have abused it much worse than he did. He is such an asshole I think he was punishing some people for not licking his boots hard enough.
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Mickey, Trump said on Truth that she was mad because he personally turned her down to be part of the post White House team. Though not a sworn testimony, if brought up on charges I can see Trump taking the stand and making a sworn statement that she is a disgruntled former employee.
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Trump or his team would first have to actually, TESTIFY UNDER OATH, in order to lie under oath, but you know... they're refusing to do that.
Your logic is hard to follow.
DOJ is also conducting a criminal investigation of potential charges and have obtained search warrants for that effort. This ain’t over yet but it’s tasty fruit from the poisonous tree and I must say, the made for tv production is brilliant brilliance in all its brilliancy.
Context, its all about the context.
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