2022 North American rumour thread take 2

Weston1283

Zod said:

Weston1283 said:

Can’t speak for Europe or Canada shows, but I don’t see Omicron slowing down any touring in the USA, no matter how bad it gets.  

It doesn’t make sense to assume shows would get postponed when we don’t even have mask mandates at this point.  Any restrictions would go the way of mask mandates first.  

Also, there are literally so many shows scheduled for 2022 in the US that canceling them would lead to a total collapse of the touring industry. 

When the March 2020 tour was canceled, COVID was new, scary and we knew nothing about it.

Come March 2022, everyone in the US will have had access to not only a vaccine but a booster as well, and we know exponentially more about the disease and it’s variants.  We are at a completely different place now than when the initial cancelations of shows all over we’re postponed.

Best thing we can do is continue to have private venues/companies/employers mandate vaccines on their own accord and move forward.  Everyone joining together and voluntary getting the shot is never, ever going to happen.  And I’m down for a national vaccine mandate, I just have no clue how you actually get that done.  Hopefully the non Vaxxed will be inconvenienced enough by restrictions that they ultimately get it and help slow this down.  But I do agree that Covid will be in our lives for the rest of our days at least, in some form or another.

TL;Dr
I think its early and aggressive to assume an entire tour will be postponed again while even the most basic of restrictions have not been reimplemented across the country, and while the lead singer of the band we love announced an indoor tour in the most populated cities in this country in the heart of flu and cold season.

I don't know.  There's still a lot of unknowns with variants.  Where I live only introduce restrictions yesterday, so I imagine if the US did any it would be quite a bit after.  Also the USA isn't a unified front.   The whole country doesn't do the same thing.   You might have some states introduce stricter measures than other states.   That could make touring hard.

I think it's still in wait and see mode.  It seem the vaccines do much less against omicron, so I'm not sure people being double vaxed does all that much.  On the flip side it's also mentioned that the severity of the virus might not be as bad, so maybe less people have complications from it.   But it also spreads like wildfire, so more people getting, but a lower hospitalization rate, could still lead to overflowing hospitals.

I dunno. If I've learned anything in the last 2 years is no one is clairvoyant.    Everyone's been making it up as they go a long as new information comes out.  This wave is still early on, things will change as it advances.  Hopefully for the better.  I really want the mega happy ending where omicron really is less severe, everyone gets it, gets some kind of immunity to Covid19, and we move on with minimal casualties.

Yeah, no doubt it is in jeopardy if the restrictions end up being reinforced.  I just think until that happens, these shows in the USA are going to be a go, especially with EV announcing his February shows.  Honestly, I think if they had any concerns at all, those shows wouldn't have been announced.  Not only that, but he even added a show.  That tour starts in 6 and a half short weeks, which would likely be right in the peak of this current wave and the post holiday surge which is almost a guarantee as people gather for Christmas and New Years.

They have already taken their stand and played it safe.  If they can play venues in line with local restrictions, they will play.  If the restrictions in place don't allow them to, they wont.  But I dont think we will see any further delays solely related to the bands desire to postpone.

Bentleyspop

JDime20 said:

jimjam1982 said:

2-feign-reluctance said:

jimjam1982 said:

Saltzy23 said:

This tour is porked again.

We will all have screen burn for the tickets on our TM apps before ever actually get to see these shows.

Covid is never going away. The vaccine failed. They retire or accept it. Those are the choices. Pneumonia is far scarier then omnicron. Ain't no tour ever been canceled for pneumonia 

WTF dude. I think the Fox & Friends forum misses you. 

I dont watch that. Looking forward to the tour as announced. It won't be canceled. They don't want plan b. Some of you say uninformed. But really I just stated some facts.

Those aren’t facts. The vaccine isn’t failing. The countless people refusing to get it and running around maskless are failing.  

JeBurkhardt

Bentleyspop said:

JDime20 said:

jimjam1982 said:

2-feign-reluctance said:

jimjam1982 said:

Saltzy23 said:

This tour is porked again.

We will all have screen burn for the tickets on our TM apps before ever actually get to see these shows.

Covid is never going away. The vaccine failed. They retire or accept it. Those are the choices. Pneumonia is far scarier then omnicron. Ain't no tour ever been canceled for pneumonia 

WTF dude. I think the Fox & Friends forum misses you. 

I dont watch that. Looking forward to the tour as announced. It won't be canceled. They don't want plan b. Some of you say uninformed. But really I just stated some facts.

Those aren’t facts. The vaccine isn’t failing. The countless people refusing to get it and running around maskless are failing.  

Absolutely!

uglybabo

Weston1283 said:

Zod said:

Weston1283 said:

Can’t speak for Europe or Canada shows, but I don’t see Omicron slowing down any touring in the USA, no matter how bad it gets.  

It doesn’t make sense to assume shows would get postponed when we don’t even have mask mandates at this point.  Any restrictions would go the way of mask mandates first.  

Also, there are literally so many shows scheduled for 2022 in the US that canceling them would lead to a total collapse of the touring industry. 

When the March 2020 tour was canceled, COVID was new, scary and we knew nothing about it.

Come March 2022, everyone in the US will have had access to not only a vaccine but a booster as well, and we know exponentially more about the disease and it’s variants.  We are at a completely different place now than when the initial cancelations of shows all over we’re postponed.

Best thing we can do is continue to have private venues/companies/employers mandate vaccines on their own accord and move forward.  Everyone joining together and voluntary getting the shot is never, ever going to happen.  And I’m down for a national vaccine mandate, I just have no clue how you actually get that done.  Hopefully the non Vaxxed will be inconvenienced enough by restrictions that they ultimately get it and help slow this down.  But I do agree that Covid will be in our lives for the rest of our days at least, in some form or another.

TL;Dr
I think its early and aggressive to assume an entire tour will be postponed again while even the most basic of restrictions have not been reimplemented across the country, and while the lead singer of the band we love announced an indoor tour in the most populated cities in this country in the heart of flu and cold season.

I don't know.  There's still a lot of unknowns with variants.  Where I live only introduce restrictions yesterday, so I imagine if the US did any it would be quite a bit after.  Also the USA isn't a unified front.   The whole country doesn't do the same thing.   You might have some states introduce stricter measures than other states.   That could make touring hard.

I think it's still in wait and see mode.  It seem the vaccines do much less against omicron, so I'm not sure people being double vaxed does all that much.  On the flip side it's also mentioned that the severity of the virus might not be as bad, so maybe less people have complications from it.   But it also spreads like wildfire, so more people getting, but a lower hospitalization rate, could still lead to overflowing hospitals.

I dunno. If I've learned anything in the last 2 years is no one is clairvoyant.    Everyone's been making it up as they go a long as new information comes out.  This wave is still early on, things will change as it advances.  Hopefully for the better.  I really want the mega happy ending where omicron really is less severe, everyone gets it, gets some kind of immunity to Covid19, and we move on with minimal casualties.

Yeah, no doubt it is in jeopardy if the restrictions end up being reinforced.  I just think until that happens, these shows in the USA are going to be a go, especially with EV announcing his February shows.  Honestly, I think if they had any concerns at all, those shows wouldn't have been announced.  Not only that, but he even added a show.  That tour starts in 6 and a half short weeks, which would likely be right in the peak of this current wave and the post holiday surge which is almost a guarantee as people gather for Christmas and New Years.

They have already taken their stand and played it safe.  If they can play venues in line with local restrictions, they will play.  If the restrictions in place don't allow them to, they wont.  But I dont think we will see any further delays solely related to the bands desire to postpone.

I agree with you, but this Eddie tour was announced and sold before this new surge. 

NYC is going through it right now; 2 broadway shows cancelled this week with the audience already seated. 2 other shows are taking a hiatus and the Rockettes show had to cancel the rest of the Christmas run. 

https://ew.com/news/new-covid-cancellations-entertainment-shut-down-delayed/

No one knows what a month, two months or six months will look like. I just don’t know if the band will take a look in January and say ‘10,000 cases a day in NYC - here’s our new dates’. It’s also hard to say as of today if Eddie’s tour will go ahead as scheduled. 

Of course, I’m Canadian and we still have masks mandated indoors and they’re already lowering capacity and cancelling events. 

patkelly12

When will those Neanderthals in NYC ever learn?

JR86440

The band may as well retire if they are considering no shows in 2022. Corona is here indefinitely. Time to move on.  The new strain has already been proven to be much less serious so the hysteria of the media and governments is insane. If you are unvaccinated and over 60 years old, stay home and skip the PJ shows. Everybody else, live your life. Get vaccinated so you do not overwhelm healthcare workers. Pretty simple. 

drakeheuer14

The world must move forward. 

josevolution

21k new cases in one day here in NY the most since the beginning of pandemic! I attended the Islanders game on Thursday they’ve implemented mask wearing inside arena but not enforcing it at all..

Go Animal

JR86440 said:

The band may as well retire if they are considering no shows in 2022. Corona is here indefinitely. Time to move on.  The new strain has already been proven to be much less serious so the hysteria of the media and governments is insane. If you are unvaccinated and over 60 years old, stay home and skip the PJ shows. Everybody else, live your life. Get vaccinated so you do not overwhelm healthcare workers. Pretty simple. 

They'll take whatever time they need. Yes it is, and we should all do our part to stop the spread. This strain should still be treated seriously. No one in the band wants a single death on their conscience just because they had to satiate the rabid hunger of it's fan base. True fans will wait as long as it takes & will understand, rather than try to pressure them into an uncomfortable touring situation.

If someone isn't vaccinated, get vaccinated. If you can't get vaccinated (truly can NOT physically get vaccinated, not "oh, I read on Facebook..." type of can't), then stay home. Everyone else: mask up, get the booster, quit whining about tests, & needle jabs, and actually put in an effort to stop the spread, rather than relying on piles of dead bodies for herd immunity. I agree with the last line.

Go Animal

drakeheuer14 said:

The world must move forward. 

In the sense where we should encourage vaccinations to everyone across the board, boosters for those who already are, and wearing masks at indoor venues, then sure. Anything less isn't helping.

drakeheuer14

Go Animal said:

drakeheuer14 said:

The world must move forward. 

In the sense where we should encourage vaccinations to everyone across the board, boosters for those who already are, and wearing masks at indoor venues, then sure. Anything less isn't helping.

In most of that sense and not shutting down again, yes. 

uglybabo

drakeheuer14 said:

Go Animal said:

drakeheuer14 said:

The world must move forward. 

In the sense where we should encourage vaccinations to everyone across the board, boosters for those who already are, and wearing masks at indoor venues, then sure. Anything less isn't helping.

In most of that sense and not shutting down again, yes. 

Aside from the US, restrictions and shutdowns where it’s surging are already happening. 

Even in the US,  the NHL cancelled a few games this weekend and SNL has cast members positive and may be cancelling the show tonight. 

https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/tv-news/snl-no-audience-limited-cast-tonight-omicron-1273734/amp/

SVRDhand13

JR86440 said:

The band may as well retire if they are considering no shows in 2022. Corona is here indefinitely. Time to move on.  The new strain has already been proven to be much less serious so the hysteria of the media and governments is insane. If you are unvaccinated and over 60 years old, stay home and skip the PJ shows. Everybody else, live your life. Get vaccinated so you do not overwhelm healthcare workers. Pretty simple. 

Nope you oversimplified this. Older and immune compromised people still have to share spaces with un-vaxxed people or vaxxed people subjecting themselves to high risk situations. Large events acting as super spreaders may need to be shut down another time because we were too slow to get vaxxed and opened everything quickly and without proper protocols. 

drakeheuer14

SVRDhand13 said:

JR86440 said:

The band may as well retire if they are considering no shows in 2022. Corona is here indefinitely. Time to move on.  The new strain has already been proven to be much less serious so the hysteria of the media and governments is insane. If you are unvaccinated and over 60 years old, stay home and skip the PJ shows. Everybody else, live your life. Get vaccinated so you do not overwhelm healthcare workers. Pretty simple. 

Nope you oversimplified this. Older and immune compromised people still have to share spaces with un-vaxxed people or vaxxed people subjecting themselves to high risk situations. Large events acting as super spreaders may need to be shut down another time because we were too slow to get vaxxed and opened everything quickly and without proper protocols. 

Have large events that require vax or negative tests even been linked to super spreading though? 

HardtoImagine 801

patkelly12 said:

When will those Neanderthals in NYC ever learn?

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LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan

drakeheuer14 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

JR86440 said:

The band may as well retire if they are considering no shows in 2022. Corona is here indefinitely. Time to move on.  The new strain has already been proven to be much less serious so the hysteria of the media and governments is insane. If you are unvaccinated and over 60 years old, stay home and skip the PJ shows. Everybody else, live your life. Get vaccinated so you do not overwhelm healthcare workers. Pretty simple. 

Nope you oversimplified this. Older and immune compromised people still have to share spaces with un-vaxxed people or vaxxed people subjecting themselves to high risk situations. Large events acting as super spreaders may need to be shut down another time because we were too slow to get vaxxed and opened everything quickly and without proper protocols. 

Have large events that require vax or negative tests even been linked to super spreading though? 

Here in Toronto and surrounding regions, yes 

DEGBTI

josevolution said:

21k new cases in one day here in NY the most since the beginning of pandemic! I attended the Islanders game on Thursday they’ve implemented mask wearing inside arena but not enforcing it at all..

how many new cases of the common cold today? how many of the common flue today. The omicron virus is said to be about the same if your vaxed, so who gives a shit other than the media and the sheep that follow them? Imagine if three years ago the media tracked new flue cases daily, we would just shrug our shoulders and go about our business. I am thinking that's what this is all about too. For those not vaxed, that's their problem. Don't care anymore. Cant fix stupid. 

chukdotcom

DEGBTI said:

josevolution said:

21k new cases in one day here in NY the most since the beginning of pandemic! I attended the Islanders game on Thursday they’ve implemented mask wearing inside arena but not enforcing it at all..

how many new cases of the common cold today? how many of the common flue today. The omicron virus is said to be about the same if your vaxed, so who gives a shit other than the media and the sheep that follow them? Imagine if three years ago the media tracked new flue cases daily, we would just shrug our shoulders and go about our business. I am thinking that's what this is all about too. For those not vaxed, that's their problem. Don't care anymore. Cant fix stupid. 

Flue?

PJNB

chukdotcom said:

DEGBTI said:

josevolution said:

21k new cases in one day here in NY the most since the beginning of pandemic! I attended the Islanders game on Thursday they’ve implemented mask wearing inside arena but not enforcing it at all..

how many new cases of the common cold today? how many of the common flue today. The omicron virus is said to be about the same if your vaxed, so who gives a shit other than the media and the sheep that follow them? Imagine if three years ago the media tracked new flue cases daily, we would just shrug our shoulders and go about our business. I am thinking that's what this is all about too. For those not vaxed, that's their problem. Don't care anymore. Cant fix stupid. 

Flue?

Really slow with rumours in here lately...

Go Animal

PJNB said:

chukdotcom said:

DEGBTI said:

josevolution said:

21k new cases in one day here in NY the most since the beginning of pandemic! I attended the Islanders game on Thursday they’ve implemented mask wearing inside arena but not enforcing it at all..

how many new cases of the common cold today? how many of the common flue today. The omicron virus is said to be about the same if your vaxed, so who gives a shit other than the media and the sheep that follow them? Imagine if three years ago the media tracked new flue cases daily, we would just shrug our shoulders and go about our business. I am thinking that's what this is all about too. For those not vaxed, that's their problem. Don't care anymore. Cant fix stupid. 

Flue?

Really slow with rumours in here lately...

Yup.