2022 North American rumour thread take 2

dmbolp

It's also the TM holdback/release schedule...98% of those tickets weren't available for months.  Yes, some pairs are FTF sales particularly due to the date change, but all those entire rows are new releases by TM

estarr31

Regarding concerns over PJ touring again and dealing with the (very valid) logistical nightmare from insurers (this is a big one) to crew to covid bubbles...ugh...they did reschedule the whole Europe tour. So they're moving forward. It's just a question of how and when. 

And as others have mentioned, trying to finish the tour in May could be very different in logistics than a new one next Fall. However, the insurance issues are very likely the same and the COVID restrictions for the band/crew may be directly tied to insurers so it could be difficult to project a more lax environment in the Fall even though that's likely happening. 

pjhawks

Philadelphia today removed proof of vaccinations for Wells Fargo Center so games and concerts do not require it anymore (at least for now)

Weston1283

pjhawks said:

Philadelphia today removed proof of vaccinations for Wells Fargo Center so games and concerts do not require it anymore (at least for now)

Another good sign.  As we have seen with most restrictions, it just takes someone to start the cascade, then the rest of the world tends to follow the leader 

OceansJenny

Will they have to build in “buffer weeks” of no shows in case they need to reschedule dates due to band/crew Covid positive case? Not sure if they can pull off a long stretch of dates in one go - would certainly be a dice roll.

Will ticket sales be down due to reduction of traveling fans due to fear of cancelation? All of those available EV tickets are alarming. Will be curious to see how many sell before they hit the stage. 

Rescheduling and ticket refunding surely changes the economics. Plus insurance costs as stated.

If MSG is the venue with the highest demand and lowest refunds - bring it on! Be like Rage and do 5 nights.

HughFreakingDillon

just give me my money back already. I've known for months I can't make the show, no matter when they schedule it. 

OceansJenny

HughFreakingDillon said:

just give me my money back already. I've known for months I can't make the show, no matter when they schedule it. 

Is the refund window closed?

HughFreakingDillon

OceansJenny said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

just give me my money back already. I've known for months I can't make the show, no matter when they schedule it. 

Is the refund window closed?

it's never been opened for me (canadian ticketmaster)

Red Mosquito

My job requires my vacation dates through August to be requested by Feb. 28. I have tickets for Denver through L.A. So I'm really sweating this one out. No idea how I navigate that if PJ announces spring/summer tour after my vacation window closes.

KL159781

tonywellington said:

Canada is full venues in mid March for all 2020 shows that need to be rescheduled. I expect to see PJ in May. 

You have to take into account that whatever venues are planned for May would have been booked by the fall, when Canadian dates were far more uncertain than anywhere in the US. I wouldn't expect Canadian dates in May unless Pearl Jam took the gamble and booked them months ago with the plan to push them back if they weren’t doable.

cincybearcat

Red Mosquito said:

My job requires my vacation dates through August to be requested by Feb. 28. I have tickets for Denver through L.A. So I'm really sweating this one out. No idea how I navigate that if PJ announces spring/summer tour after my vacation window closes.

that sucks and I assume there are many in a similar boat. I wish there was more consideration for this considering they are touring less and now people are traveling. 

RatherStarved

cincybearcat said:

Red Mosquito said:

My job requires my vacation dates through August to be requested by Feb. 28. I have tickets for Denver through L.A. So I'm really sweating this one out. No idea how I navigate that if PJ announces spring/summer tour after my vacation window closes.

that sucks and I assume there are many in a similar boat. I wish there was more consideration for this considering they are touring less and now people are traveling. 

If your dates are due 2/28, we can be sure the announcement will be on 3/1.  

Weston1283

Announcements usually happen on a Monday, so the best you can hope for is an announcement by 2/28 around 1 PM.  It just might be a tight squeeze planning travel for an entire tour by 5 pm with a 1 PM announcement.  

Spoonman110

KL159781 said:

tonywellington said:

Canada is full venues in mid March for all 2020 shows that need to be rescheduled. I expect to see PJ in May. 

You have to take into account that whatever venues are planned for May would have been booked by the fall, when Canadian dates were far more uncertain than anywhere in the US. I wouldn't expect Canadian dates in May unless Pearl Jam took the gamble and booked them months ago with the plan to push them back if they weren’t doable.

I disagree with this. In the fall, life was much more "normal" in North America, and specifically here in Canada. All of our venues were at 100% and our land borders with the states opened (in early November). The first cases of Omicron didn't pop up until early December. At the time, I think booking a venue for the Spring time looked very safe. 

PJNB

My prediction is Feb 25th hint that something is coming and Feb 28th the announcement. Mar 4th public sale opens up. 

on2legs

PJNB said:

My prediction is Feb 25th hint that something is coming and Feb 28th the announcement. Mar 4th public sale opens up. 

🙏🏻

mpedone

Spoonman110 said:

KL159781 said:

tonywellington said:

Canada is full venues in mid March for all 2020 shows that need to be rescheduled. I expect to see PJ in May. 

You have to take into account that whatever venues are planned for May would have been booked by the fall, when Canadian dates were far more uncertain than anywhere in the US. I wouldn't expect Canadian dates in May unless Pearl Jam took the gamble and booked them months ago with the plan to push them back if they weren’t doable.

I disagree with this. In the fall, life was much more "normal" in North America, and specifically here in Canada. All of our venues were at 100% and our land borders with the states opened (in early November). The first cases of Omicron didn't pop up until early December. At the time, I think booking a venue for the Spring time looked very safe. 

In mid-November, they announced they were "working to finalize dates". At that time, Delta was peaking (had peaked?) and there were rumblings of Omicron on the horizon. It would not surprise me if they had tentative dates in Canada that they then nixed.

Something else to think about - they're targeting May for this reschedule, and they're not going to play every night, or even every other night. 17 shows (before the Baltimore cancellation) in 31 days is not going to work for them. Logically, it seems to make sense that they could play May 1st in Toronto, May 3rd in Hamilton, etc, but that's not realistic for this band at this stage of their lives/career. Others have brought up the prospect of some of the rescheduled dates occurring in the Fall. This is largely rumor, but the original announcement says the new dates should be "starting in May", it doesn't say the whole tour will be in May, so it makes some sense to divvy up the shows between May and the Fall, to make things easier on the band overall.

I know, the worry is that a new strain will crop up and throw a spiky-proteined wrench into things,there's nothing saying that won't happen this May (though numbers are down, and things are looking hopeful). I'd rather the band spread out the shows so that they are at their best for each show they perform and run the risk of a Fall leg being postponed.

uglybabo

mpedone said:

Spoonman110 said:

KL159781 said:

tonywellington said:

Canada is full venues in mid March for all 2020 shows that need to be rescheduled. I expect to see PJ in May. 

You have to take into account that whatever venues are planned for May would have been booked by the fall, when Canadian dates were far more uncertain than anywhere in the US. I wouldn't expect Canadian dates in May unless Pearl Jam took the gamble and booked them months ago with the plan to push them back if they weren’t doable.

I disagree with this. In the fall, life was much more "normal" in North America, and specifically here in Canada. All of our venues were at 100% and our land borders with the states opened (in early November). The first cases of Omicron didn't pop up until early December. At the time, I think booking a venue for the Spring time looked very safe. 

In mid-November, they announced they were "working to finalize dates". At that time, Delta was peaking (had peaked?) and there were rumblings of Omicron on the horizon. It would not surprise me if they had tentative dates in Canada that they then nixed.

Something else to think about - they're targeting May for this reschedule, and they're not going to play every night, or even every other night. 17 shows (before the Baltimore cancellation) in 31 days is not going to work for them. Logically, it seems to make sense that they could play May 1st in Toronto, May 3rd in Hamilton, etc, but that's not realistic for this band at this stage of their lives/career. Others have brought up the prospect of some of the rescheduled dates occurring in the Fall. This is largely rumor, but the original announcement says the new dates should be "starting in May", it doesn't say the whole tour will be in May, so it makes some sense to divvy up the shows between May and the Fall, to make things easier on the band overall.

I know, the worry is that a new strain will crop up and throw a spiky-proteined wrench into things,there's nothing saying that won't happen this May (though numbers are down, and things are looking hopeful). I'd rather the band spread out the shows so that they are at their best for each show they perform and run the risk of a Fall leg being postponed.

The original dates were March 18 - April 19, 2020 so they could play these shows in May/early June. 

And if they did half in May and half in the fall there’s no way the split these dates without adding others. 

bootlegger10

I have done a significant amount of research and have determined that February 18th is the last day of the “early” part of the year.  Interestingly, ancient civilizations in both the east and west came to the same conclusion independently at the same time.  There is only logical conclusion then: Ancient aliens determined told those civilizations this info.

clearly I do not want to work this morning.

mpedone

uglybabo said:

mpedone said:

Spoonman110 said:

KL159781 said:

tonywellington said:

Canada is full venues in mid March for all 2020 shows that need to be rescheduled. I expect to see PJ in May. 

You have to take into account that whatever venues are planned for May would have been booked by the fall, when Canadian dates were far more uncertain than anywhere in the US. I wouldn't expect Canadian dates in May unless Pearl Jam took the gamble and booked them months ago with the plan to push them back if they weren’t doable.

I disagree with this. In the fall, life was much more "normal" in North America, and specifically here in Canada. All of our venues were at 100% and our land borders with the states opened (in early November). The first cases of Omicron didn't pop up until early December. At the time, I think booking a venue for the Spring time looked very safe. 

In mid-November, they announced they were "working to finalize dates". At that time, Delta was peaking (had peaked?) and there were rumblings of Omicron on the horizon. It would not surprise me if they had tentative dates in Canada that they then nixed.

Something else to think about - they're targeting May for this reschedule, and they're not going to play every night, or even every other night. 17 shows (before the Baltimore cancellation) in 31 days is not going to work for them. Logically, it seems to make sense that they could play May 1st in Toronto, May 3rd in Hamilton, etc, but that's not realistic for this band at this stage of their lives/career. Others have brought up the prospect of some of the rescheduled dates occurring in the Fall. This is largely rumor, but the original announcement says the new dates should be "starting in May", it doesn't say the whole tour will be in May, so it makes some sense to divvy up the shows between May and the Fall, to make things easier on the band overall.

I know, the worry is that a new strain will crop up and throw a spiky-proteined wrench into things,there's nothing saying that won't happen this May (though numbers are down, and things are looking hopeful). I'd rather the band spread out the shows so that they are at their best for each show they perform and run the risk of a Fall leg being postponed.

The original dates were March 18 - April 19, 2020 so they could play these shows in May/early June. 

And if they did half in May and half in the fall there’s no way the split these dates without adding others. 

I think the Euro tour starting June 18th means they won't play any US shows in June. Again, logically they could, but I think they want a couple of weeks between legs. At the moment, travel from the US to the Netherlands requires a 10-day quarantine upon entry, so they'd have to be there by June 8th.

I don't have any insight as to why they make certain decisions, but if rumors of MSG being pushed to the fall are true, I wouldn't be surprised if they lumped the Canada shows with it. If they add more shows to make it a fuller leg, that's a-ok with me. I'll be doing a lot of traveling for this 2020-too tour; I wouldn't mind something a little closer to home (though, I'm in the Boston area, so I've been spoiled).

PJNB

mpedone said:

uglybabo said:

mpedone said:

Spoonman110 said:

KL159781 said:

tonywellington said:

Canada is full venues in mid March for all 2020 shows that need to be rescheduled. I expect to see PJ in May. 

You have to take into account that whatever venues are planned for May would have been booked by the fall, when Canadian dates were far more uncertain than anywhere in the US. I wouldn't expect Canadian dates in May unless Pearl Jam took the gamble and booked them months ago with the plan to push them back if they weren’t doable.

I disagree with this. In the fall, life was much more "normal" in North America, and specifically here in Canada. All of our venues were at 100% and our land borders with the states opened (in early November). The first cases of Omicron didn't pop up until early December. At the time, I think booking a venue for the Spring time looked very safe. 

In mid-November, they announced they were "working to finalize dates". At that time, Delta was peaking (had peaked?) and there were rumblings of Omicron on the horizon. It would not surprise me if they had tentative dates in Canada that they then nixed.

Something else to think about - they're targeting May for this reschedule, and they're not going to play every night, or even every other night. 17 shows (before the Baltimore cancellation) in 31 days is not going to work for them. Logically, it seems to make sense that they could play May 1st in Toronto, May 3rd in Hamilton, etc, but that's not realistic for this band at this stage of their lives/career. Others have brought up the prospect of some of the rescheduled dates occurring in the Fall. This is largely rumor, but the original announcement says the new dates should be "starting in May", it doesn't say the whole tour will be in May, so it makes some sense to divvy up the shows between May and the Fall, to make things easier on the band overall.

I know, the worry is that a new strain will crop up and throw a spiky-proteined wrench into things,there's nothing saying that won't happen this May (though numbers are down, and things are looking hopeful). I'd rather the band spread out the shows so that they are at their best for each show they perform and run the risk of a Fall leg being postponed.

The original dates were March 18 - April 19, 2020 so they could play these shows in May/early June. 

And if they did half in May and half in the fall there’s no way the split these dates without adding others. 

I think the Euro tour starting June 18th means they won't play any US shows in June. Again, logically they could, but I think they want a couple of weeks between legs. At the moment, travel from the US to the Netherlands requires a 10-day quarantine upon entry, so they'd have to be there by June 8th.

I don't have any insight as to why they make certain decisions, but if rumors of MSG being pushed to the fall are true, I wouldn't be surprised if they lumped the Canada shows with it. If they add more shows to make it a fuller leg, that's a-ok with me. I'll be doing a lot of traveling for this 2020-too tour; I wouldn't mind something a little closer to home (though, I'm in the Boston area, so I've been spoiled).

Feb 25th the rules change for the Netherlands removing the quarantine rule. Hopefully by summer no testing is needed at all. 

RatherStarved

PJNB said:

My prediction is Feb 25th hint that something is coming and Feb 28th the announcement. Mar 4th public sale opens up. 

I like this prediction.  Let it be so.  

release00

For us to have less than 2 months to plan travels between announcement and the first show for rescheduled shows (that were originally supposed to happen 2 years ago) is bullsh*t. 

uglybabo

The Europe tour is 17 shows in 38 days. 

The original 2020 tour was 17 shows in 33 days. 

From May 1st to June 8th is 39 days and they only have 15 (paid ticket) shows to reschedule. So either they play the delayed shows and book all new dates in the fall or the split the dates and and add like 5/6 new shows each leg. I’m hoping they do the former. 

Especially since if MSG/Canada is fall then the added dates this spring will probably be west coast which has had multiple shows since the 2020 dates were delayed. 

Zod

release00 said:

For us to have less than 2 months to plan travels between announcement and the first show for rescheduled shows (that were originally supposed to happen 2 years ago) is bullsh*t. 

on the flip side, during a pandemic, when shows have been announced far out, they've had a solid chance of being cancelled/postponed.    We could be out of this or there could be another wave of something again.    I think the new way of touring (not for all artists, but many artists) is to try and execute tours quickly in in the dips between waves.

I do agree under normal circumstances that 2 months isn't enough for a band where a large majority of it's fans travel in for the shows, but were still sort of in a pandemic so I can see why bands are trying to tour more efficiently than normal.

PJNB

uglybabo said:

The Europe tour is 17 shows in 38 days. 

The original 2020 tour was 17 shows in 33 days. 

From May 1st to June 8th is 39 days and they only have 15 (paid ticket) shows to reschedule. So either they play the delayed shows and book all new dates in the fall or the split the dates and and add like 5/6 new shows each leg. I’m hoping they do the former. 

Especially since if MSG/Canada is fall then the added dates this spring will probably be west coast which has had multiple shows since the 2020 dates were delayed. 

Geographically the 2020 spring tour was a mess compared to PJ tours in the past. I can see why they would want to do something that is much easier. As a fan that has held tickets for over 2 years however I would want my shows to come first of course. It is looking more and more likely that will not be the case. 

The question I have now is if they are splitting up the rescheduled dates and sprinkling new ones in how is the lotto going to work. If we only get a handful of shows added this spring and they are on their own lotto that will be a hard ticket to get. If they put all of the new shows together in the same lotto no matter what leg they are on then that might be more fair but now if you add a MSG lets say to the mix you are likely screwed for any other spring show. We will cross that bridge when it comes I guess but I plan on doing what I did with my choice going to Ohana last year. If they are playing in NA I will do all I can to be at that tour. 

cardoso

The question are, will have a new round go GA tickets drawn?

JimmyV

When does Ohana usually announce dates/lineups?

tylermoore

cardoso said:

The question are, will have a new round go GA tickets drawn?

For the people who held onto their tickets for so long, it’d be nice if we got the chance to move up to GA or snag better seats that people got refunds for. Probably would be a nightmare for them, just wishful thinking. 

bbiggs

The real question is, if they split up the rescheduled 2020 dates between May and a Fall leg, and add new shows to the May leg, how long before this thread goes nuclear?