To me the “just get the vaccine” is irrelevant. We’re past that. They’re not getting it. So like I said, where do we go from here? Anyone that has posted, are you experiencing this too in your city? Because here in NYC , it’s very clear that this is becoming a big problem.
90+% compliance in Boston and Massachusetts.
I understand the immediate public safety concerns in NYC, but the vaccines have been proven to be overwhelmingly safe & effective. Maybe these people shouldn’t be police & firefighters if they’re willing to risk public safety and that of their peers to make a political statement.
I’m not arguing with any of that but what makes you so certain that it’s a political statement? Why can’t it just be their decision? Did you GET vaccinated to make a political statement? “These people” run towards danger to save lives. Would you? Not sure I would honestly. Its just narrow minded to judge them on a personal decision and assume it’s political. But hey, what do I know. I don’t come to conclusions or opinions based on politics.
I got vaccinated despite some reservations because I felt it was best for our healthcare system and community as a whole.
I don’t hate cops and firefighters (who hates firefighters?) but I do hate “the bad apples” & want to see them sorted out… doesn’t everyone?
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I don't agree that we look past the rules just because some people don't want to follow them.
Just get the vaccine.
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And two weekends or months or years from now will be irrelevant as well. Don’t corporations and governments have rights and freedoms too? They have a choice, get vaccinated to keep your job or lose it. Pretty simple. Go work in a antivaxx state. Freedom.
over 100 million, close to 200 million, I think, Americans are fully vaccinated. Fuck the tyranny of the minority.
To me the “just get the vaccine” is irrelevant. We’re past that. They’re not getting it. So like I said, where do we go from here? Anyone that has posted, are you experiencing this too in your city? Because here in NYC , it’s very clear that this is becoming a big problem.
90+% compliance in Boston and Massachusetts.
I understand the immediate public safety concerns in NYC, but the vaccines have been proven to be overwhelmingly safe & effective. Maybe these people shouldn’t be police & firefighters if they’re willing to risk public safety and that of their peers to make a political statement.
I think there is a large number of people that aren’t just trying to make a “political statement” and that this fact gets overlooked. I know a few nurses and doctors that haven’t got the shots yet because they want to see long term data against a technology that is being put into widespread use for the first time. Granted these professionals are all getting tested, wearing masks etc, but they aren’t doing it to prove a political point.
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And two weekends or months or years from now will be irrelevant as well. Don’t corporations and governments have rights and freedoms too? They have a choice, get vaccinated to keep your job or lose it. Pretty simple. Go work in a antivaxx state. Freedom.
over 100 million, close to 200 million, I think, Americans are fully vaccinated. Fuck the tyranny of the minority.
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People who choose to quit over vaccine should not be eligible for unemployment.
Why can’t all the cops, firefighters, flight attendants and pilots just get vaccinated? Would they not be free if they did so? Get vaxxed or get the axe.
Why can’t they be subjected to weekly testing ? It’s basically about 25-30% that are holding out. What good is that if more people lose their lives because of slow response times and less cops? Aren’t we trying to save lives? It’s just an endless loop of political nonsense. There are less ambulances out as well because of EMTs that are holding out.
Weekly testing costs companies money. You keep saying things are irrelevant but they are. It’s easier to get the shot so we have the same right as you to say “just get the shot”. Sooner or later this will affect the non vaccinated (themselves or loved one, friend) and they’ll boo hoo that they should have got the shot and tell everyone else to get the shot. That’s what is going to stop this pandemic, when there’s minimal amounts of unvaccinated left. These people will be ridiculed severely when this is written about in the future. It’s disgusting how selfish some people are. Lack of empathy is usually reserved for the serial killers and people who aren’t capable of understanding it but it obviously exists in the unvaccinated as well. For God’s sake even animals possess empathy.
Why can’t all the cops, firefighters, flight attendants and pilots just get vaccinated? Would they not be free if they did so? Get vaxxed or get the axe.
Why can’t they be subjected to weekly testing ? It’s basically about 25-30% that are holding out. What good is that if more people lose their lives because of slow response times and less cops? Aren’t we trying to save lives? It’s just an endless loop of political nonsense. There are less ambulances out as well because of EMTs that are holding out.
Weekly testing costs companies money. You keep saying things are irrelevant but they are. It’s easier to get the shot so we have the same right as you to say “just get the shot”. Sooner or later this will affect the non vaccinated (themselves or loved one, friend) and they’ll boo hoo that they should have got the shot and tell everyone else to get the shot. That’s what is going to stop this pandemic, when there’s minimal amounts of unvaccinated left. These people will be ridiculed severely when this is written about in the future. It’s disgusting how selfish some people are. Lack of empathy is usually reserved for the serial killers and people who aren’t capable of understanding it but it obviously exists in the unvaccinated as well. For God’s sake even animals possess empathy.
And two weekends or months or years from now will be irrelevant as well. Don’t corporations and governments have rights and freedoms too? They have a choice, get vaccinated to keep your job or lose it. Pretty simple. Go work in a antivaxx state. Freedom.
over 100 million, close to 200 million, I think, Americans are fully vaccinated. Fuck the tyranny of the minority.
Problem solved. I guess
The “problem” will be solved when we either have 95%-99% vaccinated or those who are too selfish to get vaccinated lose their jobs, move or get ill and maybe die. Pretty basic and pretty easy solution. Don’t want to get vaccinated? Fine, suffer the consequences and stop whining. The vaccine is free and readily available for crying out loud.
And two weekends or months or years from now will be irrelevant as well. Don’t corporations and governments have rights and freedoms too? They have a choice, get vaccinated to keep your job or lose it. Pretty simple. Go work in a antivaxx state. Freedom.
over 100 million, close to 200 million, I think, Americans are fully vaccinated. Fuck the tyranny of the minority.
Problem solved. I guess
The “problem” will be solved when we either have 95%-99% vaccinated or those who are too selfish to get vaccinated lose their jobs, move or get ill and maybe die. Pretty basic and pretty easy solution. Don’t want to get vaccinated? Fine, suffer the consequences and stop whining. The vaccine is free and readily available for crying out loud.
Then the problem will never be solved. 99%? Good luck. Have fun pointing the finger for the rest of your life I guess.
And two weekends or months or years from now will be irrelevant as well. Don’t corporations and governments have rights and freedoms too? They have a choice, get vaccinated to keep your job or lose it. Pretty simple. Go work in a antivaxx state. Freedom.
over 100 million, close to 200 million, I think, Americans are fully vaccinated. Fuck the tyranny of the minority.
Problem solved. I guess
The “problem” will be solved when we either have 95%-99% vaccinated or those who are too selfish to get vaccinated lose their jobs, move or get ill and maybe die. Pretty basic and pretty easy solution. Don’t want to get vaccinated? Fine, suffer the consequences and stop whining. The vaccine is free and readily available for crying out loud.
Then the problem will never be solved. 99%? Good luck. Have fun pointing the finger for the rest of your life I guess.
I’ll be fully vaccinated and living my life and not whining about getting sick with covid or losing my job because I’m selfish. Like Seattle, I expect NYC to fall.
Who do you hold responsible for “the problem never being solved?”
If Everyone that wants to be vaccinated gets vaccinated what is the problem with letting the rest of these people risk their lives. Time to move on at least for me. Unless we could get the whole world to voluntary vaccination rates of 90+% and a minority of Americans were the problem I just don’t see all the animosity toward the covid no Vaxxers .The odds are that those of us who choose to be vaccinated will be fine. The virus is still changing all around the world. I just don’t see a reason for people to feel very strongly one way or the other. Get vaccinated and almost assuredly have zero problems with covid, don’t get vaccinated and have a small but real chance of facing serious long term effects or death. I’m vaccinated and living my life. I don’t have a hard on to punish others for making different health choices than me.
If Everyone that wants to be vaccinated gets vaccinated what is the problem with letting the rest of these people risk their lives. Time to move on at least for me. Unless we could get the whole world to voluntary vaccination rates of 90+% and a minority of Americans were the problem I just don’t see all the animosity toward the covid no Vaxxers .The odds are that those of us who choose to be vaccinated will be fine. The virus is still changing all around the world. I just don’t see a reason for people to feel very strongly one way or the other. Get vaccinated and almost assuredly have zero problems with covid, don’t get vaccinated and have a small but real chance of facing serious long term effects or death. I’m vaccinated and living my life. I don’t have a hard on to punish others for making different health choices than me.
Animosity? You mean like the anti-vaxxers threatening school board members, city and town councilors, store clerks and healthcare workers? That kind of animosity or just accepting the fact that there are selfish people who should bear the consequences of their choices and not having sympathy for them?
If Everyone that wants to be vaccinated gets vaccinated what is the problem with letting the rest of these people risk their lives. Time to move on at least for me. Unless we could get the whole world to voluntary vaccination rates of 90+% and a minority of Americans were the problem I just don’t see all the animosity toward the covid no Vaxxers .The odds are that those of us who choose to be vaccinated will be fine. The virus is still changing all around the world. I just don’t see a reason for people to feel very strongly one way or the other. Get vaccinated and almost assuredly have zero problems with covid, don’t get vaccinated and have a small but real chance of facing serious long term effects or death. I’m vaccinated and living my life. I don’t have a hard on to punish others for making different health choices than me.
Animosity? You mean like the anti-vaxxers threatening school board members, city and town councilors, store clerks and healthcare workers? That kind of animosity or just accepting the fact that there are selfish people who should bear the consequences of their choices and not having sympathy for them?
The people that are on crusades to act like assholes are a minority of the people that aren't vaccinated. Most of the people I know that aren't vaxxed, at least in my life also have animosity towards the people that go out looking to be on a warpath in regards to covid. At work I'm interacting with construction workers that could give a crap who the president is, but maybe they don't want to be told what to do or don't believe the current narrative, that is hardly a reason imo to take away their livelihoods and treat them like pariahs. In my personal life I know doctors, nurses, various office pukes, restauranteurs etc. that are also not vaccinated, I don't see them as being selfish. For the most part they are cautious and skeptical...again I don't see a reason to treat them like criminals when everyone that wants a vaccine can get one and be protected.
If Everyone that wants to be vaccinated gets vaccinated what is the problem with letting the rest of these people risk their lives. Time to move on at least for me. Unless we could get the whole world to voluntary vaccination rates of 90+% and a minority of Americans were the problem I just don’t see all the animosity toward the covid no Vaxxers .The odds are that those of us who choose to be vaccinated will be fine. The virus is still changing all around the world. I just don’t see a reason for people to feel very strongly one way or the other. Get vaccinated and almost assuredly have zero problems with covid, don’t get vaccinated and have a small but real chance of facing serious long term effects or death. I’m vaccinated and living my life. I don’t have a hard on to punish others for making different health choices than me.
Animosity? You mean like the anti-vaxxers threatening school board members, city and town councilors, store clerks and healthcare workers? That kind of animosity or just accepting the fact that there are selfish people who should bear the consequences of their choices and not having sympathy for them?
The people that are on crusades to act like assholes are a minority of the people that aren't vaccinated. Most of the people I know that aren't vaxxed, at least in my life also have animosity towards the people that go out looking to be on a warpath in regards to covid. At work I'm interacting with construction workers that could give a crap who the president is, but maybe they don't want to be told what to do or don't believe the current narrative, that is hardly a reason imo to take away their livelihoods and treat them like pariahs. In my personal life I know doctors, nurses, various office pukes, restauranteurs etc. that are also not vaccinated, I don't see them as being selfish. For the most part they are cautious and skeptical...again I don't see a reason to treat them like criminals when everyone that wants a vaccine can get one and be protected.
Who’s treating them like criminals?” Society at large, by which governments and corporations, businesses big and small and individuals are a part of, can make decisions and have choices and options in those decisions. As such, like all decisions, you live by them and the subsequent consequences. Have any un vaxxed been arrested and thrown in jail? Treated like criminals? C’mon man! Sorry, I don’t have pity or sympathy for the unvaxxed and their decision. The consequences are theirs alone.
I own a construction company and believe all my employees should be vaccinated, just like they should wear a hard hat, steel toed boots and eye protection. But because one of 15 or whatever doesn’t want to get vaccinated, I should accommodate them? No, get off the job site and go work for a company that doesn’t believe in keeping society safe. Sorry. They made a choice, now live by it.
I also know unvaxxed colleagues and they’re about to lose their jobs. Oh well, there’s a lot of job openings right now. Good luck to them.
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Quick question: I'm hearing that mix and matching booster with other vaccination is OK. I've had Moderna #1 and #2 and might have an opportunity for a Pfizer booster but I'm wary. Thoughts on that? I don't mix and match oil in my car or record cleaners in my Spin Clean, so doing something like that with a vaccination just sounds like a bad idea to me.
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Quick question: I'm hearing that mix and matching booster with other vaccination is OK. I've had Moderna #1 and #2 and might have an opportunity for a Pfizer booster but I'm wary. Thoughts on that? I don't mix and match oil in my car or record cleaners in my Spin Clean, so doing something like that with a vaccination just sounds like a bad idea to me.
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Quick question: I'm hearing that mix and matching booster with other vaccination is OK. I've had Moderna #1 and #2 and might have an opportunity for a Pfizer booster but I'm wary. Thoughts on that? I don't mix and match oil in my car or record cleaners in my Spin Clean, so doing something like that with a vaccination just sounds like a bad idea to me.
It’s fine, Brian; in fact, you might get a better immune response, though that’s probably with mixing and matching different types of the vaccine. The two mRNA vaccine are basically interchangeable.
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Quick question: I'm hearing that mix and matching booster with other vaccination is OK. I've had Moderna #1 and #2 and might have an opportunity for a Pfizer booster but I'm wary. Thoughts on that? I don't mix and match oil in my car or record cleaners in my Spin Clean, so doing something like that with a vaccination just sounds like a bad idea to me.
Quick question: I'm hearing that mix and matching booster with other vaccination is OK. I've had Moderna #1 and #2 and might have an opportunity for a Pfizer booster but I'm wary. Thoughts on that? I don't mix and match oil in my car or record cleaners in my Spin Clean, so doing something like that with a vaccination just sounds like a bad idea to me.
It’s fine, Brian; in fact, you might get a better immune response, though that’s probably with mixing and matching different types of the vaccine. The two mRNA vaccine are basically interchangeable.
Really good to know and reassuring, thank you!
I hope to be getting the booster later this week. C. told me it would be either Moderna or Pfizer, so good to know either will help.
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Here we go again. More illness = another pcr. 2nd one in a week. This is getting menatlly destroying. My 4 year has been ill for a whole month and now back to school. Whilst me and my partner have new symptoms. I just wish the UK had SOME helpful restrictions for schools and public places. I cant take anymore of this . Is it? Isnt it?
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If Everyone that wants to be vaccinated gets vaccinated what is the problem with letting the rest of these people risk their lives. Time to move on at least for me. Unless we could get the whole world to voluntary vaccination rates of 90+% and a minority of Americans were the problem I just don’t see all the animosity toward the covid no Vaxxers .The odds are that those of us who choose to be vaccinated will be fine. The virus is still changing all around the world. I just don’t see a reason for people to feel very strongly one way or the other. Get vaccinated and almost assuredly have zero problems with covid, don’t get vaccinated and have a small but real chance of facing serious long term effects or death. I’m vaccinated and living my life. I don’t have a hard on to punish others for making different health choices than me.
Animosity? You mean like the anti-vaxxers threatening school board members, city and town councilors, store clerks and healthcare workers? That kind of animosity or just accepting the fact that there are selfish people who should bear the consequences of their choices and not having sympathy for them?
The people that are on crusades to act like assholes are a minority of the people that aren't vaccinated. Most of the people I know that aren't vaxxed, at least in my life also have animosity towards the people that go out looking to be on a warpath in regards to covid. At work I'm interacting with construction workers that could give a crap who the president is, but maybe they don't want to be told what to do or don't believe the current narrative, that is hardly a reason imo to take away their livelihoods and treat them like pariahs. In my personal life I know doctors, nurses, various office pukes, restauranteurs etc. that are also not vaccinated, I don't see them as being selfish. For the most part they are cautious and skeptical...again I don't see a reason to treat them like criminals when everyone that wants a vaccine can get one and be protected.
Who’s treating them like criminals?” Society at large, by which governments and corporations, businesses big and small and individuals are a part of, can make decisions and have choices and options in those decisions. As such, like all decisions, you live by them and the subsequent consequences. Have any un vaxxed been arrested and thrown in jail? Treated like criminals? C’mon man! Sorry, I don’t have pity or sympathy for the unvaxxed and their decision. The consequences are theirs alone.
I own a construction company and believe all my employees should be vaccinated, just like they should wear a hard hat, steel toed boots and eye protection. But because one of 15 or whatever doesn’t want to get vaccinated, I should accommodate them? No, get off the job site and go work for a company that doesn’t believe in keeping society safe. Sorry. They made a choice, now live by it.
I also know unvaxxed colleagues and they’re about to lose their jobs. Oh well, there’s a lot of job openings right now. Good luck to them.
Does “in order to form a more perfect union” mean anything anymore?
I hear you, I just have more animosity for the failing education system, patchwork healthcare system and the tech companies that allow the misinformation to fester and lead people to a place of fear and ignorance. If we had a more accessible healthcare network, more robust education system and a culture that cared more about what "information" products do to the public than the bottom line, I am sure we would not have as much hesitancy and anti vax sentiments. Unfortunately. here we are. I don't think that punishment is going to make anything any better, especially when those of us that want to be protected can and already have had the vax.
Side note: residential, commercial or civil construction?
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I think the company is an example, like I was saying about the DUI law change. Just trying to bring it back to real life and not the make believe world some here seem to advocate for where the people who don't want to go along with the rules see things changed to allow for them to be dolts who f things up for everyone else.
The doofus running for Gov. in NJ is advertising here that he is not only against mandating COVID vaccines but all vaccines.
I think the company is an example, like I was saying about the DUI law change. Just trying to bring it back to real life and not the make believe world some here seem to advocate for where the people who don't want to go along with the rules see things changed to allow for them to be dolts who f things up for everyone else.
The doofus running for Gov. in NJ is advertising here that he is not only against mandating COVID vaccines but all vaccines.
What idiots.
He will lose, but many will vote for him.
I think you mean mayor. And yea. He has no chance. The DA who convicted Cuomo and essentially forced him to resign is conveniently running for governor now. Ahhhhh politics.
*****sorry thought I ready NY. Just saw NJ. My bad.
I think the company is an example, like I was saying about the DUI law change. Just trying to bring it back to real life and not the make believe world some here seem to advocate for where the people who don't want to go along with the rules see things changed to allow for them to be dolts who f things up for everyone else.
The doofus running for Gov. in NJ is advertising here that he is not only against mandating COVID vaccines but all vaccines.
What idiots.
He will lose, but many will vote for him.
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I think the company is an example, like I was saying about the DUI law change. Just trying to bring it back to real life and not the make believe world some here seem to advocate for where the people who don't want to go along with the rules see things changed to allow for them to be dolts who f things up for everyone else.
The doofus running for Gov. in NJ is advertising here that he is not only against mandating COVID vaccines but all vaccines.
What idiots.
He will lose, but many will vote for him.
See that's the problem in Virginia. The GOP candidate is not unmoored.
And let’s not forget it’s not just police and firefighters. I know it’s hip to hate them … it’s pilots, sanitation workers, EMS workers, teachers etc…. Like I said. Where do we go from here ? Let them walk and hopefully fill their positions in time? Hopefully not too many innocent people pay the ultimate price for this standoff.
"Ultimate price"? I think some people consider the "ultimate price" dying, and the "innocent people" the ones who followed all mandates and died because others wouldn't.
Let 'em all lose their jobs. Let your city become disgusting for three weeks. Let people start to own their actions, and give them consequences.
Waiting for people to do the right thing just isn't getting us where we need to be, fast enough.
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Just get the vaccine.
Certainly not a scientific one.
over 100 million, close to 200 million, I think, Americans are fully vaccinated. Fuck the tyranny of the minority.
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Who do you hold responsible for “the problem never being solved?”
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I don't understand the logic behind changing the rules for the people who won't follow them.
Just follow the damn rules.
Not that tough
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I own a construction company and believe all my employees should be vaccinated, just like they should wear a hard hat, steel toed boots and eye protection. But because one of 15 or whatever doesn’t want to get vaccinated, I should accommodate them? No, get off the job site and go work for a company that doesn’t believe in keeping society safe. Sorry. They made a choice, now live by it.
I also know unvaxxed colleagues and they’re about to lose their jobs. Oh well, there’s a lot of job openings right now. Good luck to them.
Does “in order to form a more perfect union” mean anything anymore?
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I don't mix and match oil in my car or record cleaners in my Spin Clean, so doing something like that with a vaccination just sounds like a bad idea to me.
https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/statement-cdc-guidelines-boosters-mixing-covid-19-vaccines
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Let 'em all lose their jobs. Let your city become disgusting for three weeks. Let people start to own their actions, and give them consequences.
Waiting for people to do the right thing just isn't getting us where we need to be, fast enough.
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