And let’s not forget it’s not just police and firefighters. I know it’s hip to hate them … it’s pilots, sanitation workers, EMS workers, teachers etc…. Like I said. Where do we go from here ? Let them walk and hopefully fill their positions in time? Hopefully not too many innocent people pay the ultimate price for this standoff.
"Ultimate price"? I think some people consider the "ultimate price" dying, and the "innocent people" the ones who followed all mandates and died because others wouldn't.
Let 'em all lose their jobs. Let your city become disgusting for three weeks. Let people start to own their actions, and give them consequences.
Waiting for people to do the right thing just isn't getting us where we need to be, fast enough.
Yes dying …waiting for an ambulance. Waiting for a firefighter. Waiting for a cop. Longer response times.
And let’s not forget it’s not just police and firefighters. I know it’s hip to hate them … it’s pilots, sanitation workers, EMS workers, teachers etc…. Like I said. Where do we go from here ? Let them walk and hopefully fill their positions in time? Hopefully not too many innocent people pay the ultimate price for this standoff.
"Ultimate price"? I think some people consider the "ultimate price" dying, and the "innocent people" the ones who followed all mandates and died because others wouldn't.
Let 'em all lose their jobs. Let your city become disgusting for three weeks. Let people start to own their actions, and give them consequences.
Waiting for people to do the right thing just isn't getting us where we need to be, fast enough.
Waiting for a cop might just prolong their life. NYPD is 81% vaccinated, I believe. I wonder what percentage of the remaining 19% are a subset of the 3% absenteeism?
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The vast majority of health workers in BC are vaccinated, though vaccinations lag in Northern (96% vaccinated) and Interior (94% vaccinated) Health Authorities. All of the other health authorities are at 98% vaccination of health care workers. Unfortunately, this still leaves about 3,000 unvaccinated, which will have an impact, given how much stress health care workers are already under.
also found it curious they didny cite any other study about natural immunity except for the israeli study. has that studies findings been replicated? where does it now stand in the face of delta?
the article also seems short on mention of delta and its apparent effects on children etc....
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This opinion is a joke piece. The punch line is.. "Mounting evidence indicates that natural immunity is stronger and longer lasting than vaccine-induced immunity"
This is untrue. The evidence points the other way. Only this Israeli study from several months ago comes to this conclusion, and the anti vaxxers point to it every time. Yet last time I checked, it wasn't even peer reviewed.
By contrast, the CDC just published a study that comes to the exact opposite conclusion. The vaccines were 5x more effective in reducing severe symptoms. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7044e1.htm
Although I have to give it to the evil Dr. Fauci. This guy has been in govt for 40 years, just waiting to spring this deception on us. He played the long game.
This opinion is a joke piece. The punch line is.. "Mounting evidence indicates that natural immunity is stronger and longer lasting than vaccine-induced immunity"
This is untrue. The evidence points the other way. Only this Israeli study from several months ago comes to this conclusion, and the anti vaxxers point to it every time. Yet last time I checked, it wasn't even peer reviewed.
By contrast, the CDC just published a study that comes to the exact opposite conclusion. The vaccines were 5x more effective in reducing severe symptoms. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7044e1.htm
Although I have to give it to the evil Dr. Fauci. This guy has been in govt for 40 years, just waiting to spring this deception on us. He played the long game.
It's only a matter of time before he reveals his ultimate goal. Soon it will be "discovered" that the only way to protect yourself from viruses like Covid are to eat babies in the basement of pizza shops.
I would be interested to see if other scientists come out against him too.
When I read Big Tech and how it silenced people I really wanted to go and retrieve my tinfoil hat but hey. If more start coming forward I'd be interested.
This opinion is a joke piece. The punch line is.. "Mounting evidence indicates that natural immunity is stronger and longer lasting than vaccine-induced immunity"
This is untrue. The evidence points the other way. Only this Israeli study from several months ago comes to this conclusion, and the anti vaxxers point to it every time. Yet last time I checked, it wasn't even peer reviewed.
By contrast, the CDC just published a study that comes to the exact opposite conclusion. The vaccines were 5x more effective in reducing severe symptoms. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7044e1.htm
Although I have to give it to the evil Dr. Fauci. This guy has been in govt for 40 years, just waiting to spring this deception on us. He played the long game.
this is exactly what I had read. But I keep reading claims (without proof) of the opposite.
I would be interested to see if other scientists come out against him too.
When I read Big Tech and how it silenced people I really wanted to go and retrieve my tinfoil hat but hey. If more start coming forward I'd be interested.
Brutal review? The main point is absolutely false. If the premise or starting point of an argument is a lie, then the whole thing falls apart.
I would be interested to see if other scientists come out against him too.
When I read Big Tech and how it silenced people I really wanted to go and retrieve my tinfoil hat but hey. If more start coming forward I'd be interested.
I would be suspect of any "scientist" that came out against him.
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Kids have to wear covid masks outside instead of halloween masks in my area for the 31st.. Also parents have to wear them outside too even just standing on the street. My kids are not allowed to go trick or treating with friends or family members not in our household either. So if they see a classmate or a cousin out trick or treating I have to explain to them yes you can sit on the bus with them yes you can play in the playground with them but sorry you can't go door to door with them cause well I dont have a good reason sorry kiddos.
They had me at the start of this pandemic but my care for what the province is pushing now is severely dropping.
Going door to door kids could unknowingly spread the virus as a carrier to large groups of older people who are not within the daily school community. On the bus, playground etc the initial spread would be with other kids within the same cohort.
Kids have to wear covid masks outside instead of halloween masks in my area for the 31st.. Also parents have to wear them outside too even just standing on the street. My kids are not allowed to go trick or treating with friends or family members not in our household either. So if they see a classmate or a cousin out trick or treating I have to explain to them yes you can sit on the bus with them yes you can play in the playground with them but sorry you can't go door to door with them cause well I dont have a good reason sorry kiddos.
They had me at the start of this pandemic but my care for what the province is pushing now is severely dropping.
Going door to door kids could unknowingly spread the virus as a carrier to large groups of older people who are not within the daily school community. On the bus, playground etc the initial spread would be with other kids within the same cohort.
I would be interested to see if other scientists come out against him too.
When I read Big Tech and how it silenced people I really wanted to go and retrieve my tinfoil hat but hey. If more start coming forward I'd be interested.
Brutal review? The main point is absolutely false. If the premise or starting point of an argument is a lie, then the whole thing falls apart.
The Israel study is their backup for the herd immunity case, so not entirely false.
Didn't Sweeden try for the herd immunity effect too?
I would be interested to see if other scientists come out against him too.
When I read Big Tech and how it silenced people I really wanted to go and retrieve my tinfoil hat but hey. If more start coming forward I'd be interested.
Brutal review? The main point is absolutely false. If the premise or starting point of an argument is a lie, then the whole thing falls apart.
The Israel study is their backup for the herd immunity case, so not entirely false.
Didn't Sweeden try for the herd immunity effect too?
they did, and despite what the article said, it was an unmitigated disaster.
Kids have to wear covid masks outside instead of halloween masks in my area for the 31st.. Also parents have to wear them outside too even just standing on the street. My kids are not allowed to go trick or treating with friends or family members not in our household either. So if they see a classmate or a cousin out trick or treating I have to explain to them yes you can sit on the bus with them yes you can play in the playground with them but sorry you can't go door to door with them cause well I dont have a good reason sorry kiddos.
They had me at the start of this pandemic but my care for what the province is pushing now is severely dropping.
Going door to door kids could unknowingly spread the virus as a carrier to large groups of older people who are not within the daily school community. On the bus, playground etc the initial spread would be with other kids within the same cohort.
That risk is pretty low no?
If one child has covid and visits 75 houses with mostly older homeowners to me the risk seemes to be much greater than a few kids in the playground.
Wouldn't you consider walking door to door and being within six feet of the occupants among the worst activities during a pandemic, assuming we are still in one?
Edit,
I had no issue with my kid trick or treating, I just recognized the difference in the activities potential risk right away as OP explained
Kids have to wear covid masks outside instead of halloween masks in my area for the 31st.. Also parents have to wear them outside too even just standing on the street. My kids are not allowed to go trick or treating with friends or family members not in our household either. So if they see a classmate or a cousin out trick or treating I have to explain to them yes you can sit on the bus with them yes you can play in the playground with them but sorry you can't go door to door with them cause well I dont have a good reason sorry kiddos.
They had me at the start of this pandemic but my care for what the province is pushing now is severely dropping.
Going door to door kids could unknowingly spread the virus as a carrier to large groups of older people who are not within the daily school community. On the bus, playground etc the initial spread would be with other kids within the same cohort.
That risk is pretty low no?
If one child has covid and visits 75 houses with mostly older homeowners to me the risk seemes to be much greater than a few kids in the playground.
Wouldn't you consider walking door to door and being within six feet of the occupants among the worst activities during a pandemic, assuming we are still in one?
Definitely not "one of the worse activities", given that the kids are outside and the interaction is very brief. There is little to no chance of transmission in a 15 second conversation, even unmasked, and I'm guessing that most people were masked.
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Kids have to wear covid masks outside instead of halloween masks in my area for the 31st.. Also parents have to wear them outside too even just standing on the street. My kids are not allowed to go trick or treating with friends or family members not in our household either. So if they see a classmate or a cousin out trick or treating I have to explain to them yes you can sit on the bus with them yes you can play in the playground with them but sorry you can't go door to door with them cause well I dont have a good reason sorry kiddos.
They had me at the start of this pandemic but my care for what the province is pushing now is severely dropping.
Going door to door kids could unknowingly spread the virus as a carrier to large groups of older people who are not within the daily school community. On the bus, playground etc the initial spread would be with other kids within the same cohort.
That risk is pretty low no?
If one child has covid and visits 75 houses with mostly older homeowners to me the risk seemes to be much greater than a few kids in the playground.
Wouldn't you consider walking door to door and being within six feet of the occupants among the worst activities during a pandemic, assuming we are still in one?
Definitely not "one of the worse activities", given that the kids are outside and the interaction is very brief. There is little to no chance of transmission in a 15 second conversation, even unmasked, and I'm guessing that most people were masked.
Some kids had halloween masks on some didn't. No kid wore a protective mask by me.
I would be interested to see if other scientists come out against him too.
When I read Big Tech and how it silenced people I really wanted to go and retrieve my tinfoil hat but hey. If more start coming forward I'd be interested.
Brutal review? The main point is absolutely false. If the premise or starting point of an argument is a lie, then the whole thing falls apart.
The Israel study is their backup for the herd immunity case, so not entirely false.
Didn't Sweeden try for the herd immunity effect too?
they did, and despite what the article said, it was an unmitigated disaster.
Kids have to wear covid masks outside instead of halloween masks in my area for the 31st.. Also parents have to wear them outside too even just standing on the street. My kids are not allowed to go trick or treating with friends or family members not in our household either. So if they see a classmate or a cousin out trick or treating I have to explain to them yes you can sit on the bus with them yes you can play in the playground with them but sorry you can't go door to door with them cause well I dont have a good reason sorry kiddos.
They had me at the start of this pandemic but my care for what the province is pushing now is severely dropping.
Going door to door kids could unknowingly spread the virus as a carrier to large groups of older people who are not within the daily school community. On the bus, playground etc the initial spread would be with other kids within the same cohort.
That risk is pretty low no?
If one child has covid and visits 75 houses with mostly older homeowners to me the risk seemes to be much greater than a few kids in the playground.
Wouldn't you consider walking door to door and being within six feet of the occupants among the worst activities during a pandemic, assuming we are still in one?
Definitely not "one of the worse activities", given that the kids are outside and the interaction is very brief. There is little to no chance of transmission in a 15 second conversation, even unmasked, and I'm guessing that most people were masked.
Some kids had halloween masks on some didn't. No kid wore a protective mask by me.
I’m guessing/hoping that the “mostly older homeowners” wore masks, if they were concerned.
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I would be interested to see if other scientists come out against him too.
When I read Big Tech and how it silenced people I really wanted to go and retrieve my tinfoil hat but hey. If more start coming forward I'd be interested.
Brutal review? The main point is absolutely false. If the premise or starting point of an argument is a lie, then the whole thing falls apart.
The Israel study is their backup for the herd immunity case, so not entirely false.
Didn't Sweeden try for the herd immunity effect too?
The Israeli study was never peer reviewed in the US. And Sweden's covid numbers, deaths and hospitalizations were far, far worse than surrounding Nordic countries. The data is so clear.
Kids have to wear covid masks outside instead of halloween masks in my area for the 31st.. Also parents have to wear them outside too even just standing on the street. My kids are not allowed to go trick or treating with friends or family members not in our household either. So if they see a classmate or a cousin out trick or treating I have to explain to them yes you can sit on the bus with them yes you can play in the playground with them but sorry you can't go door to door with them cause well I dont have a good reason sorry kiddos.
They had me at the start of this pandemic but my care for what the province is pushing now is severely dropping.
Going door to door kids could unknowingly spread the virus as a carrier to large groups of older people who are not within the daily school community. On the bus, playground etc the initial spread would be with other kids within the same cohort.
Trick or treating and exposures with kids and the older population was not what I was talking about. I was talking about kids being able to play in the playground in the day and at night they were not allowed to go trick or treating together,
Kids have to wear covid masks outside instead of halloween masks in my area for the 31st.. Also parents have to wear them outside too even just standing on the street. My kids are not allowed to go trick or treating with friends or family members not in our household either. So if they see a classmate or a cousin out trick or treating I have to explain to them yes you can sit on the bus with them yes you can play in the playground with them but sorry you can't go door to door with them cause well I dont have a good reason sorry kiddos.
They had me at the start of this pandemic but my care for what the province is pushing now is severely dropping.
Going door to door kids could unknowingly spread the virus as a carrier to large groups of older people who are not within the daily school community. On the bus, playground etc the initial spread would be with other kids within the same cohort.
Still seems dumb to now allow kids to trick or treat together, but they can ride the bus and sit with each other at school. If a kid is a carrier, what does the size of the group have to do with it if you’re worried about older people passing out candy?
Kids have to wear covid masks outside instead of halloween masks in my area for the 31st.. Also parents have to wear them outside too even just standing on the street. My kids are not allowed to go trick or treating with friends or family members not in our household either. So if they see a classmate or a cousin out trick or treating I have to explain to them yes you can sit on the bus with them yes you can play in the playground with them but sorry you can't go door to door with them cause well I dont have a good reason sorry kiddos.
They had me at the start of this pandemic but my care for what the province is pushing now is severely dropping.
Going door to door kids could unknowingly spread the virus as a carrier to large groups of older people who are not within the daily school community. On the bus, playground etc the initial spread would be with other kids within the same cohort.
Still seems dumb to now allow kids to trick or treat together, but they can ride the bus and sit with each other at school. If a kid is a carrier, what does the size of the group have to do with it if you’re worried about older people passing out candy?
It’s not the size of the group, it’s when a kid is going door to door, they are continually engaging many different cohorts of the population outside of the school community, which they are likely not doing as much when on the school bus or playground. Again, I had no issue about my kid out on Halloween, but this policy example is understandable.
Kids have to wear covid masks outside instead of halloween masks in my area for the 31st.. Also parents have to wear them outside too even just standing on the street. My kids are not allowed to go trick or treating with friends or family members not in our household either. So if they see a classmate or a cousin out trick or treating I have to explain to them yes you can sit on the bus with them yes you can play in the playground with them but sorry you can't go door to door with them cause well I dont have a good reason sorry kiddos.
They had me at the start of this pandemic but my care for what the province is pushing now is severely dropping.
Going door to door kids could unknowingly spread the virus as a carrier to large groups of older people who are not within the daily school community. On the bus, playground etc the initial spread would be with other kids within the same cohort.
That risk is pretty low no?
If one child has covid and visits 75 houses with mostly older homeowners to me the risk seemes to be much greater than a few kids in the playground.
Wouldn't you consider walking door to door and being within six feet of the occupants among the worst activities during a pandemic, assuming we are still in one?
Definitely not "one of the worse activities", given that the kids are outside and the interaction is very brief. There is little to no chance of transmission in a 15 second conversation, even unmasked, and I'm guessing that most people were masked.
I’d challenge the normal time for transmission when involving kids who are typically terrible at health hygiene, such as covering their nose when sneezing and using hand sanitizer after coughing/sneezing.
Kids have to wear covid masks outside instead of halloween masks in my area for the 31st.. Also parents have to wear them outside too even just standing on the street. My kids are not allowed to go trick or treating with friends or family members not in our household either. So if they see a classmate or a cousin out trick or treating I have to explain to them yes you can sit on the bus with them yes you can play in the playground with them but sorry you can't go door to door with them cause well I dont have a good reason sorry kiddos.
They had me at the start of this pandemic but my care for what the province is pushing now is severely dropping.
Going door to door kids could unknowingly spread the virus as a carrier to large groups of older people who are not within the daily school community. On the bus, playground etc the initial spread would be with other kids within the same cohort.
That risk is pretty low no?
If one child has covid and visits 75 houses with mostly older homeowners to me the risk seemes to be much greater than a few kids in the playground.
Wouldn't you consider walking door to door and being within six feet of the occupants among the worst activities during a pandemic, assuming we are still in one?
Edit,
I had no issue with my kid trick or treating, I just recognized the difference in the activities potential risk right away as OP explained
Outside and spending like 1 minute there max? Low risk
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IDK seems like even op-ed pieces becoming less and less if doesn't fit the "narrative".
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This is untrue. The evidence points the other way. Only this Israeli study from several months ago comes to this conclusion, and the anti vaxxers point to it every time. Yet last time I checked, it wasn't even peer reviewed.
By contrast, the CDC just published a study that comes to the exact opposite conclusion. The vaccines were 5x more effective in reducing severe symptoms. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7044e1.htm
Although I have to give it to the evil Dr. Fauci. This guy has been in govt for 40 years, just waiting to spring this deception on us. He played the long game.
I would be interested to see if other scientists come out against him too.
When I read Big Tech and how it silenced people I really wanted to go and retrieve my tinfoil hat but hey. If more start coming forward I'd be interested.
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Going door to door kids could unknowingly spread the virus as a carrier to large groups of older people who are not within the daily school community. On the bus, playground etc the initial spread would be with other kids within the same cohort.
Didn't Sweeden try for the herd immunity effect too?
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If one child has covid and visits 75 houses with mostly older homeowners to me the risk seemes to be much greater than a few kids in the playground.
Wouldn't you consider walking door to door and being within six feet of the occupants among the worst activities during a pandemic, assuming we are still in one?
Edit,
I had no issue with my kid trick or treating, I just recognized the difference in the activities potential risk right away as OP explained
Definitely not "one of the worse activities", given that the kids are outside and the interaction is very brief. There is little to no chance of transmission in a 15 second conversation, even unmasked, and I'm guessing that most people were masked.
If a kid is a carrier, what does the size of the group have to do with it if you’re worried about older people passing out candy?