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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    Zod said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Zod said:
    tish said:
    Hey Bri,

    Let us know when-if ya get the A-ok. My kid passed her day 8 Canada re-entry test and is finished her 14 day quarantine-restrictions ie: no school😊 Thanks  kiddo for your Ohana sacrifice!

    Good news here for concert-goers and musicians. Only 6 weeks behind former projections that didn't have delta considered, so not too shabby.



    I'm going to my first concert on Saturday.   Old School Canadian punk band play a small bar a reduced capacity.  75 people. 

    I've also been going to movies and enjoying the way they spaced out the seats. (and empty seat between groups kind of thing).

    I wonder how hard it's going to be to adjust to everything going back wide open.

    I also wonder why our government isn't talking about booster.  I think the majority of people got Pfizer so people vaccinate earlier are hitting or going past 6 months now.  Their halfassed rolling out boosters to care homes, but it seems odd they haven't started to warm up a booster shot program yet.

    didnt canada increase the time between doses? with suggestion it was more effective?
    Yes, we have good data now that demonstrates improved protection when the first and second doses were spaced out further, between 12-16 weeks 

    and would further bolster arguments for boosters in general. Timing in the Canadian model is the question....

    Our model varied.  It was based in supply not on science (as to be honest I don't think a lot of science was available on spacing).  My doses were 8 weeks and a few days apart.   I think for people getting vaxxed now, opposed to being in the queue, have a shorter interval.
    True that it was largely prompted by supply issues, not true that it wasn’t based on science. The decisions were based on immunological principles and what we know about development of immune response after immunization. It wasn’t a wild guess pulled out of the air 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,634
    Zod said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Zod said:
    tish said:
    Hey Bri,

    Let us know when-if ya get the A-ok. My kid passed her day 8 Canada re-entry test and is finished her 14 day quarantine-restrictions ie: no school😊 Thanks  kiddo for your Ohana sacrifice!

    Good news here for concert-goers and musicians. Only 6 weeks behind former projections that didn't have delta considered, so not too shabby.



    I'm going to my first concert on Saturday.   Old School Canadian punk band play a small bar a reduced capacity.  75 people. 

    I've also been going to movies and enjoying the way they spaced out the seats. (and empty seat between groups kind of thing).

    I wonder how hard it's going to be to adjust to everything going back wide open.

    I also wonder why our government isn't talking about booster.  I think the majority of people got Pfizer so people vaccinate earlier are hitting or going past 6 months now.  Their halfassed rolling out boosters to care homes, but it seems odd they haven't started to warm up a booster shot program yet.

    didnt canada increase the time between doses? with suggestion it was more effective?
    Yes, we have good data now that demonstrates improved protection when the first and second doses were spaced out further, between 12-16 weeks 

    and would further bolster arguments for boosters in general. Timing in the Canadian model is the question....

    Our model varied.  It was based in supply not on science (as to be honest I don't think a lot of science was available on spacing).  My doses were 8 weeks and a few days apart.   I think for people getting vaxxed now, opposed to being in the queue, have a shorter interval.
    True that it was largely prompted by supply issues, not true that it wasn’t based on science. The decisions were based on immunological principles and what we know about development of immune response after immunization. It wasn’t a wild guess pulled out of the air 

    and what are your total vax rates now and the rates of delta infections?
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  • mickeyrat said:
    Zod said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Zod said:
    tish said:
    Hey Bri,

    Let us know when-if ya get the A-ok. My kid passed her day 8 Canada re-entry test and is finished her 14 day quarantine-restrictions ie: no school😊 Thanks  kiddo for your Ohana sacrifice!

    Good news here for concert-goers and musicians. Only 6 weeks behind former projections that didn't have delta considered, so not too shabby.



    I'm going to my first concert on Saturday.   Old School Canadian punk band play a small bar a reduced capacity.  75 people. 

    I've also been going to movies and enjoying the way they spaced out the seats. (and empty seat between groups kind of thing).

    I wonder how hard it's going to be to adjust to everything going back wide open.

    I also wonder why our government isn't talking about booster.  I think the majority of people got Pfizer so people vaccinate earlier are hitting or going past 6 months now.  Their halfassed rolling out boosters to care homes, but it seems odd they haven't started to warm up a booster shot program yet.

    didnt canada increase the time between doses? with suggestion it was more effective?
    Yes, we have good data now that demonstrates improved protection when the first and second doses were spaced out further, between 12-16 weeks 

    and would further bolster arguments for boosters in general. Timing in the Canadian model is the question....

    Our model varied.  It was based in supply not on science (as to be honest I don't think a lot of science was available on spacing).  My doses were 8 weeks and a few days apart.   I think for people getting vaxxed now, opposed to being in the queue, have a shorter interval.
    True that it was largely prompted by supply issues, not true that it wasn’t based on science. The decisions were based on immunological principles and what we know about development of immune response after immunization. It wasn’t a wild guess pulled out of the air 

    and what are your total vax rates now and the rates of delta infections?
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,056
    The good news:
    Negative Test GIFs  Tenor
    The other news:
    Old As Dirt GIFs  Tenor


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  • awesome news Bri!
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  • PJNBPJNB Posts: 13,435
    brianlux said:
    The good news:
    Negative Test GIFs  Tenor
    The other news:
    Old As Dirt GIFs  Tenor


    Good to hear Brian


  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,958
    mickeyrat said:
    Zod said:
    tish said:
    Hey Bri,

    Let us know when-if ya get the A-ok. My kid passed her day 8 Canada re-entry test and is finished her 14 day quarantine-restrictions ie: no school😊 Thanks  kiddo for your Ohana sacrifice!

    Good news here for concert-goers and musicians. Only 6 weeks behind former projections that didn't have delta considered, so not too shabby.



    I'm going to my first concert on Saturday.   Old School Canadian punk band play a small bar a reduced capacity.  75 people. 

    I've also been going to movies and enjoying the way they spaced out the seats. (and empty seat between groups kind of thing).

    I wonder how hard it's going to be to adjust to everything going back wide open.

    I also wonder why our government isn't talking about booster.  I think the majority of people got Pfizer so people vaccinate earlier are hitting or going past 6 months now.  Their halfassed rolling out boosters to care homes, but it seems odd they haven't started to warm up a booster shot program yet.

    didnt canada increase the time between doses? with suggestion it was more effective?
    Yes, we have good data now that demonstrates improved protection when the first and second doses were spaced out further, between 12-16 weeks 

    Bummer - mine were only 8 weeks apart.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,682
    brianlux said:
    The good news:
    Negative Test GIFs  Tenor
    The other news:
    Old As Dirt GIFs  Tenor


    Excellent.  Hope you are generally feeling better. 
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,056
    Thank you, friends!  :smile:
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
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  • getting my seasonal flu shot today. booster for covid in a week or two (recommended for travel)
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  • brianlux said:
    The good news:
    Negative Test GIFs  Tenor
    The other news:
    Old As Dirt GIFs  Tenor


    But not as old as Wobby.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,056
    brianlux said:
    The good news:
    Negative Test GIFs  Tenor
    The other news:
    Old As Dirt GIFs  Tenor


    But not as old as Wobby.

    True?  OMG!  What is older than dirt?  :lol:
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  • mfc2006mfc2006 Posts: 37,454
    brianlux said:
    The good news:
    Negative Test GIFs  Tenor
    The other news:
    Old As Dirt GIFs  Tenor


    GREAT NEWS!!!
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  • brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    The good news:
    Negative Test GIFs  Tenor
    The other news:
    Old As Dirt GIFs  Tenor


    But not as old as Wobby.

    True?  OMG!  What is older than dirt?  :lol:
    Wobby is older than dirt. Wobby is so old that carbon dating doesn’t go back that far.
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    The good news:
    Negative Test GIFs  Tenor
    The other news:
    Old As Dirt GIFs  Tenor


    But not as old as Wobby.

    True?  OMG!  What is older than dirt?  :lol:
    Dinosaur dung…
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,056
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    The good news:
    Negative Test GIFs  Tenor
    The other news:
    Old As Dirt GIFs  Tenor


    But not as old as Wobby.

    True?  OMG!  What is older than dirt?  :lol:
    Wobby is older than dirt. Wobby is so old that carbon dating doesn’t go back that far.
    Ahhh Wobbie, he's kidding.  Wu know we wuv wu, pal!
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    The good news:
    Negative Test GIFs  Tenor
    The other news:
    Old As Dirt GIFs  Tenor


    But not as old as Wobby.

    True?  OMG!  What is older than dirt?  :lol:
    Dinosaur dung…
    LOL. 
    Got me curious so I looked up "petrified dinosaur dung".  Turns out that stuff give you the finger!
    Coprolite - Wikipedia


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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,634
    FDA OKs mixing COVID vaccines; backs Moderna, J&J boosters
    By MATTHEW PERRONE and LAURAN NEERGAARD
    1 hour ago

    WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. regulators on Wednesday signed off on extending COVID-19 boosters to Americans who got the Moderna or Johnson & Johnson vaccine and said anyone eligible for an extra dose can get a brand different from the one they received initially.

    The Food and Drug Administration’s decisions mark a big step toward expanding the U.S. booster campaign, which began with extra doses of the Pfizer vaccine last month. But before more people roll up their sleeves, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention will consult an expert panel Thursday before finalizing official recommendations for who should get boosters and when.

    The latest moves would expand by tens of millions the number of Americans eligible for boosters and formally allow “mixing and matching” of shots — making it simpler to get another dose, especially for people who had a side effect from one brand but still want the proven protection of vaccination.

    Specifically, the FDA authorized a third Moderna shot for seniors and others at high risk from COVID-19 because of their health problems, jobs or living conditions — six months after their last shot. One big change: Moderna’s booster will be half the dose that’s used for the first two shots, based on company data showing that was plenty to rev up immunity again.

    For J&J’s single-shot vaccine, the FDA said all U.S. recipients, no matter their age, could get a second dose at least two months following their initial vaccination.

    The FDA rulings differ because the vaccines are made differently, with different dosing schedules — and the J&J vaccine has consistently shown a lower level of effectiveness than either of the two-shot Moderna and Pfizer vaccines.

    As for mixing and matching, the FDA said it's OK to use any brand for the booster regardless of which vaccination people got first. The interchangeability of the shots is expected to speed the booster campaign, particularly in nursing homes and other institutional settings where residents have received different shots over time.

    The decision was based on preliminary results from a government study of different booster combinations that showed an extra dose of any type revs up levels of virus-fighting antibodies. That study also showed recipients of the single-dose J&J vaccination had a far bigger response if they got a full-strength Moderna booster or a Pfizer booster rather than a second J&J shot. That study didn't test the half-dose Moderna booster.

    Health authorities stress that the priority still is getting first shots to about 65 million eligible Americans who remain unvaccinated. But the booster campaign is meant to shore up protection against the virus amid signs that vaccine effectiveness is waning against mild infections, even though all three brands continue to protect against hospitalization and death.

    “The available data suggest waning immunity in some populations who are fully vaccinated,” FDA acting commissioner Dr. Janet Woodcock said in a statement Wednesday. “The availability of these authorized boosters is important for continued protection against COVID-19 disease.”

    The Moderna booster decision essentially matches FDA’s ruling that high-risk groups are eligible for the Pfizer vaccine, which is made with the same technology.

    FDA recommended that everyone who’d gotten the single-shot J&J vaccine get a booster since it has consistently shown lower protection than its two-shot rivals. And several independent FDA advisers who backed the booster decision suggested J&J’s vaccine should have originally been designed to require two doses.

    Experts continue to debate the rationale of the booster campaign. Some warn that the U.S. government hasn’t clearly articulated the goals of boosters given that the shots continue to head off the worst effects of COVID-19, and wonder if the aim is to tamp down on virus spread by curbing, at least temporarily, milder infections.

    Those questions are likely to come up Thursday as an influential panel convened by the CDC offers more specifics on who should get boosters and when. Their recommendations are subject to approval by the CDC director.

    The vast majority of the nearly 190 million Americans who are fully vaccinated against COVID-19 have received the Pfizer or Moderna options, while about 15 million have received the J&J vaccine.

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    AP Writer Mike Stobbe contributed to this story from New York

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  • Once again we are going to be last to act. Cases and hospitalization rising yet Gov come on tv and say we will do nothing.  
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,634
    Once again we are going to be last to act. Cases and hospitalization rising yet Gov come on tv and say we will do nothing.  

    without buy in from the population at large makes it very difficult..
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    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • True
    brixton 93
    astoria 06
    albany 06
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  • SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 Posts: 26,168
    I'm getting my booster next week.  Should I expect more or less symptoms from my second regular dose?  I had about 12 hours of fatigue, aches and a mild fever.  
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  • I didn't end up getting/scheduling my booster. I realized it's not recommended until much longer after my second dose, and my wife only got it for crossing the border issues (we have a mix of AZ and Pfizer, and she was paranoid the US didn't recognize AZ as a first dose, which they now do). 
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  • GlowGirlGlowGirl Posts: 10,932
    I'm getting my booster next week.  Should I expect more or less symptoms from my second regular dose?  I had about 12 hours of fatigue, aches and a mild fever.  
    I haven't had a booster yet. The few people I have talked to who have had a booster said that the booster symptoms were worse than the other two shots they have had. However, I would assume that just like the other shots, there is a variety of outcomes. For example, my sister got really sick from her second shot, and I barely had any symptoms besides a sore arm. So, it is a crapshoot. But just be prepared. Maybe take the day off work, set yourself up with a good movie to watch, etc.

  • I'm getting my booster next week.  Should I expect more or less symptoms from my second regular dose?  I had about 12 hours of fatigue, aches and a mild fever.  

    I got the booster 6 weeks ago. Pfizer. Same side effects as the 2nd shot, tired and a headache. Sore arm too of course.
  • SpunkieSpunkie Posts: 6,680
    Canadians have the old travel advisories back, ie: unessential travel categorized by risk again, rather than a blanket do not travel advisory.
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    French pharmaceutical company Valneva has released promising phase 3 trial data on their more traditional inactivated whole virus vaccine. If this does pan out and gets licensed then it would provide an option for those who say that their objection is to novel vaccine formats and not vaccination per se. 

    https://apple.news/AbHAvNovvRgKhczCE43Z1rw
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,682
    French pharmaceutical company Valneva has released promising phase 3 trial data on their more traditional inactivated whole virus vaccine. If this does pan out and gets licensed then it would provide an option for those who say that their objection is to novel vaccine formats and not vaccination per se. 

    https://apple.news/AbHAvNovvRgKhczCE43Z1rw
    It's against my sincerely held religious beliefs to put anything foreign into my body (other than Budweiser of course).  So no thanks.  Keep your hippie, devil medicine. 
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    mrussel1 said:
    French pharmaceutical company Valneva has released promising phase 3 trial data on their more traditional inactivated whole virus vaccine. If this does pan out and gets licensed then it would provide an option for those who say that their objection is to novel vaccine formats and not vaccination per se. 

    https://apple.news/AbHAvNovvRgKhczCE43Z1rw
    It's against my sincerely held religious beliefs to put anything foreign into my body (other than Budweiser of course).  So no thanks.  Keep your hippie, devil medicine. 
    Hops, barley, yeast and water - what could be closer to nature? 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,634
    mrussel1 said:
    French pharmaceutical company Valneva has released promising phase 3 trial data on their more traditional inactivated whole virus vaccine. If this does pan out and gets licensed then it would provide an option for those who say that their objection is to novel vaccine formats and not vaccination per se. 

    https://apple.news/AbHAvNovvRgKhczCE43Z1rw
    It's against my sincerely held religious beliefs to put anything foreign into my body (other than Budweiser of course).  So no thanks.  Keep your hippie, devil medicine. 
    Hops, barley, yeast and water - what could be closer to nature? 

    thats what the monks said....
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