Viruses / Vaccines

mrussel1

mickeyrat said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

mrussell and poncier, thank you!  

The thing with the information I post though, is that is how I form my opinion.  I am getting blasted over this Scotland data, which is literally linked to the Public Health site and data in the article.  The way I understand the issue you have mrussell is how that data is being interpreted, in that they are counting vaccine deaths as any death within 28 days of the vaccine being administered.  I am trying to say that is how covid deaths have been counted this whole time so why not count the vaccine deaths the same?

I don't believe that any death occurring within 60 days of a positive test is counted as COVID.  Where are you sourcing that information?  If COVID were not actually connected to the death, we would not have seen a 15.9% age adjusted increase in mortality in 2020 compared to 2019.  If your hypothesis is correct, the mortality rate would not have increased at all.  

Oregon...  https://www.oregon.gov/oha/PH/BIRTHDEATHCERTIFICATES/VITALSTATISTICS/DEATH/Pages/reporting-covid-deaths.aspx

Categorization of an Oregon COVID death

In Oregon a death is reported as a COVID death if:

• The death is of a confirmed or probable COVID-19 case within 60 days of the earliest available date among exposure to a confirmed case, onset of symptoms, or date of specimen collection for the first positive test; or

• The death results from any cause in a hospitalized person during admission or in the 60 days following discharge AND a COVID-19-positive laboratory diagnostic test at any time since14 days prior to hospitalization; or

• The death is of someone with a COVID-19-specific ICD-10 code listed as a primary or contributing cause of death on a death certificate, regardless of the dates of diagnosis or death.

While not 60 days, I love this video of the Illinois Director of Public Health being completely honest.

https://week.com/2020/04/20/idph-director-explains-how-covid-deaths-are-classified/

""If you were in hospice and had already been given a few weeks to live, and then you also were found to have COVID, that would be counted as a COVID death. It means technically even if you died of a clear alternate cause, but you had COVID at the same time, it's still listed as a COVID death. So, everyone who's listed as a COVID death doesn't mean that that was the cause of the death, but they had COVID at the time of the death." Dr. Ezike outlined."

Those provisions are entirely reasonable.  Second, what about the data that shows a material increase in deaths year over year?  15.9% is significant.  Just the other day, it was announced that the average lifespan was reduced by 1.5 years in 2020, the biggest decrease since WWII.  https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/07/21/1018590263/u-s-life-expectancy-fell-1-5-years-2020-biggest-drop-since-ww-ii-covid

Again, this is real causal data that shows COVID was real and has/had a meaningful negative impact on life expectancy, mortality rates, etc.  If COVID is overstated and just BS, why would these numbers continue to represent the opposite?

do note the illinois link is dated 4-20-20......

Interesting.. although I didn't even open it.  

Meltdown99

Toronto gym bans vaccinated people from being members (blogto.com)

WTF...

F Me In The Brain

Meltdown99 said:

Toronto gym bans vaccinated people from being members (blogto.com)

WTF...

I hope more fools do this.

gvn2fly1421

Meltdown99 said:

Toronto gym bans vaccinated people from being members (blogto.com)

WTF...

Based.

mrussel1

Meltdown99 said:

Toronto gym bans vaccinated people from being members (blogto.com)

WTF...

The literal definition of a moron.  I hope he goes bankrupt.  

mickeyrat

Halifax2TheMax said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

CM189191 said:

Poncier said:

Kat said:

“Especially with the delta variant becoming a lot more aggressive and seeing another spike, it was a good time to do it,” he said in an interview. “When you talk to people who run hospitals, in New Orleans or other states, 90% of people in hospital with delta variant have not been vaccinated. That’s another signal the vaccine works.”

He's close.
A good time to do it was 2-3 months ago to prevent the Delta variant from gaining a strong foothold in the US, but alas here we are. Better late than never.

What better late than never might look like:

https://twitter.com/JoyceWhiteVance/status/1417837412915499014

Has anyone fact checked this?  Kat?  Mrussel?  I do not want misinformation to be spread here.

Edited to add a link to comb through the data which clearly shows all the young, unvaccinated people that she has had to see.  It shows 396 covid related deaths between the ages of 25-49.... since the pandemic began.... IN THE WHOLE STATE!  Fact Check says, most likely rubbish!

https://bamatracker.com/

Give her a call. Ask her yourself. Why the age qualification? Does she work on a 25-49 only floor/ward? Odd. Does everyone she treat die? Odder still. Might as well stay home if you get sick and leave the beds for the gun and motorcycle accident victims. Laughable.

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that age demographic matters cuz thats his demographic. its the only one that matters.

OnWis97

Halifax2TheMax said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

CM189191 said:

Poncier said:

Kat said:

“Especially with the delta variant becoming a lot more aggressive and seeing another spike, it was a good time to do it,” he said in an interview. “When you talk to people who run hospitals, in New Orleans or other states, 90% of people in hospital with delta variant have not been vaccinated. That’s another signal the vaccine works.”

He's close.
A good time to do it was 2-3 months ago to prevent the Delta variant from gaining a strong foothold in the US, but alas here we are. Better late than never.

What better late than never might look like:

Has anyone fact checked this?  Kat?  Mrussel?  I do not want misinformation to be spread here.

Edited to add a link to comb through the data which clearly shows all the young, unvaccinated people that she has had to see.  It shows 396 covid related deaths between the ages of 25-49.... since the pandemic began.... IN THE WHOLE STATE!  Fact Check says, most likely rubbish!

https://bamatracker.com/

Give her a call. Ask her yourself. Why the age qualification? Does she work on a 25-49 only floor/ward? Odd. Does everyone she treat die? Odder still. Might as well stay home if you get sick and leave the beds for the gun and motorcycle accident victims. Laughable.

That's it.  What she doesn't tell you is that most of the deaths are 50-55 year-olds that tried to sneak in.  She had them killed.

mrussel1

OnWis97 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

CM189191 said:

Poncier said:

Kat said:

“Especially with the delta variant becoming a lot more aggressive and seeing another spike, it was a good time to do it,” he said in an interview. “When you talk to people who run hospitals, in New Orleans or other states, 90% of people in hospital with delta variant have not been vaccinated. That’s another signal the vaccine works.”

He's close.
A good time to do it was 2-3 months ago to prevent the Delta variant from gaining a strong foothold in the US, but alas here we are. Better late than never.

What better late than never might look like:

Has anyone fact checked this?  Kat?  Mrussel?  I do not want misinformation to be spread here.

Edited to add a link to comb through the data which clearly shows all the young, unvaccinated people that she has had to see.  It shows 396 covid related deaths between the ages of 25-49.... since the pandemic began.... IN THE WHOLE STATE!  Fact Check says, most likely rubbish!

https://bamatracker.com/

Give her a call. Ask her yourself. Why the age qualification? Does she work on a 25-49 only floor/ward? Odd. Does everyone she treat die? Odder still. Might as well stay home if you get sick and leave the beds for the gun and motorcycle accident victims. Laughable.

That's it.  What she doesn't tell you is that most of the deaths are 50-55 year-olds that tried to sneak in.  She had them killed.

She voted for Hillary too.

Halifax2TheMax

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

CM189191 said:

Poncier said:

Kat said:

“Especially with the delta variant becoming a lot more aggressive and seeing another spike, it was a good time to do it,” he said in an interview. “When you talk to people who run hospitals, in New Orleans or other states, 90% of people in hospital with delta variant have not been vaccinated. That’s another signal the vaccine works.”

He's close.
A good time to do it was 2-3 months ago to prevent the Delta variant from gaining a strong foothold in the US, but alas here we are. Better late than never.

What better late than never might look like:

Has anyone fact checked this?  Kat?  Mrussel?  I do not want misinformation to be spread here.

Edited to add a link to comb through the data which clearly shows all the young, unvaccinated people that she has had to see.  It shows 396 covid related deaths between the ages of 25-49.... since the pandemic began.... IN THE WHOLE STATE!  Fact Check says, most likely rubbish!

https://bamatracker.com/

Give her a call. Ask her yourself. Why the age qualification? Does she work on a 25-49 only floor/ward? Odd. Does everyone she treat die? Odder still. Might as well stay home if you get sick and leave the beds for the gun and motorcycle accident victims. Laughable.

That's it.  What she doesn't tell you is that most of the deaths are 50-55 year-olds that tried to sneak in.  She had them killed.

She voted for Hillary too.

I heard the hospital she works in has a tunnel direct to Comet Pizza and that’s where all the kids are taken after being admitted with “covid.” Seen it on Twitter.

mickeyrat

 https://apnews.com/article/health-religion-coronavirus-pandemic-michael-brown-dbc0303c3fa13643ca2dc0eb8d806f33

Misinformation Coronavirus pandemic Michael Brown Coronavirus vaccine

US virus cases nearly triple in 2 weeks amid misinformation

By HEATHER HOLLINGSWORTH and JIM SALTER

13 mins ago

MISSION, Kan. (AP) — COVID-19 cases nearly tripled in the U.S. over two weeks amid an onslaught of vaccine misinformation that is straining hospitals, exhausting doctors and pushing clergy into the fray.

“Our staff, they are frustrated," said Chad Neilsen, director of infection prevention at UF Health Jacksonville, a Florida hospital that is canceling elective surgeries and procedures after the number of mostly unvaccinated COVID-19 inpatients at its two campuses jumped to 134, up from a low of 16 in mid-May.

“They are tired. They are thinking this is déjà vu all over again, and there is some anger because we know that this is a largely preventable situation, and people are not taking advantage of the vaccine.”

Across the U.S., the seven-day rolling average for daily new cases rose over the past two weeks to more than 37,000 on Tuesday, up from less than 13,700 on July 6, according to data from Johns Hopkins University. Health officials blame the delta variant and slowing vaccination rates. Just 56.2% of Americans have gotten at least one dose of the vaccine, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

In Louisiana, health officials reported 5,388 new COVID-19 cases Wednesday — the third-highest daily count since the beginning of the pandemic in early 2020. Hospitalizations for the disease rose to 844 statewide, up more than 600 since mid-June.

Utah reported having 295 people hospitalized due to the virus, the highest number since February. The state has averaged about 622 confirmed cases per day over the last week, about triple the infection rate at its lowest point in early June. Health data shows the surge is almost entirely connected to unvaccinated people.

“It is like seeing the car wreck before it happens,” said Dr. James Williams, a clinical associate professor of emergency medicine at Texas Tech, who has recently started treating more COVID-19 patients. “None of us want to go through this again.”

He said the patients are younger — many in their 20s, 30s and 40s — and overwhelmingly unvaccinated.

As lead pastor of one of Missouri’s largest churches, Jeremy Johnson has heard the reasons congregants don’t want the COVID-19 vaccine. He wants them to know it’s not only OK to get vaccinated, it’s what the Bible urges.

“I think there is a big influence of fear,” said Johnson, whose Springfield-based church also has a campus in Nixa and another about to open in Republic. “A fear of trusting something apart from scripture, a fear of trusting something apart from a political party they’re more comfortable following. A fear of trusting in science. We hear that: ‘I trust in God, not science.’ But the truth is science and God are not something you have to choose between.”

Now many churches in southwestern Missouri, like Johnson’s Assembly of God-affiliated North Point Church, are hosting vaccination clinics. Meanwhile, about 200 church leaders have signed onto a statement urging Christians to get vaccinated, and on Wednesday announced a follow-up public service campaign.

Opposition to vaccination is especially strong among white evangelical Protestants, who make up more than one-third of Missouri’s residents, according to a 2019 report by the Pew Research Center.

“We found that the faith community is very influential, very trusted, and to me that is one of the answers as to how you get your vaccination rates up,” said Ken McClure, mayor of Springfield.

The two hospitals in his city are teeming with patients, reaching record and near-record pandemic highs. Steve Edwards, who is the CEO of CoxHealth in Springfield, tweeted that the hospital has brought in 175 traveling nurses and has 46 more scheduled to arrive by Monday.

“Grateful for the help," wrote Edwards, who previously tweeted that anyone spreading misinformation about the vaccine should “shut up."

Jacob Burmood, a 40-year-old Kansas City, Missouri, artist, said his mother has been promoting vaccine conspiracy theories even though her husband — Burmood's stepfather — is hospitalized on a ventilator in Springfield.

“It is really, really sad, and it is really frustrating," he said.

Burmood recalled how his mother had recently fallen ill and "was trying to tell me that vaccinated people got her sick, and it wasn’t even COVID. I just shut her down. I said, ‘Mom, I can’t talk to you about conspiracy theories right now.’ ... You need to go to a hospital. You are going to die.”

His mother, who is in her 70s, has since recovered.

In New York City, workers in city-run hospitals and health clinics will be required to get vaccinated or get tested weekly as officials battle a rise in COVID-19 cases, Mayor Bill de Blasio said Wednesday.

De Blasio’s order will not apply to teachers, police officers and other city employees, but it's part of the city’s intense focus on vaccinations amid an increase in delta variant infections.

The number of vaccine doses being given out daily in the city has dropped to less than 18,000, down from a peak of more than 100,000 in early April. About 65% of all adults are fully vaccinated, compared with about 60% of public hospital system staffers, said system leader Dr. Mitchell Katz.

Meanwhile, caseloads have been rising in the city for weeks, and health officials say the variant makes up about 7 in 10 cases they sequence.

“We have got to deal with it aggressively. And in the end, there is also a thing called personal responsibility,” de Blasio said, urging inoculated people to raise the issue with unvaccinated relatives and “get up in their face."

Back in Louisiana, New Orleans officials strongly recommended that people resume wearing masks indoors. Mayor LaToya Cantrell stopped short Wednesday of requiring masks. She said the new advisory “puts the responsibility on individuals themselves, rather than having the city enforce a mandate."

___

Salter reported from St. Louis.

gvn2fly1421

mickeyrat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

CM189191 said:

Poncier said:

Kat said:

“Especially with the delta variant becoming a lot more aggressive and seeing another spike, it was a good time to do it,” he said in an interview. “When you talk to people who run hospitals, in New Orleans or other states, 90% of people in hospital with delta variant have not been vaccinated. That’s another signal the vaccine works.”

He's close.
A good time to do it was 2-3 months ago to prevent the Delta variant from gaining a strong foothold in the US, but alas here we are. Better late than never.

What better late than never might look like:

https://twitter.com/JoyceWhiteVance/status/1417837412915499014

Has anyone fact checked this?  Kat?  Mrussel?  I do not want misinformation to be spread here.

Edited to add a link to comb through the data which clearly shows all the young, unvaccinated people that she has had to see.  It shows 396 covid related deaths between the ages of 25-49.... since the pandemic began.... IN THE WHOLE STATE!  Fact Check says, most likely rubbish!

https://bamatracker.com/

Give her a call. Ask her yourself. Why the age qualification? Does she work on a 25-49 only floor/ward? Odd. Does everyone she treat die? Odder still. Might as well stay home if you get sick and leave the beds for the gun and motorcycle accident victims. Laughable.

Dr. Brytney Cobia, MD | Birmingham, AL | Healthgrades

'I'm sorry, but it's too late': Doctor says hospitalized COVID-19 patients asking for vaccines | TheHill

New deaths reported per day in Alabama

DeathsCases

At least 11,462 have been reported since Feb. 29, 2020.

Show by

Alabama

New reported cases per day in Alabama

DeathsCases

At least 563,943 have been reported since Feb. 29, 2020.

Show by

Alabama

that age demographic matters cuz thats his demographic. its the only one that matters.

Or, maybe, just maybe I am using that demographic because the link provided states that this nurse is seeing patients who are young and healthy.  But don’t let that get in the way of a good ol fact check!

mickeyrat

young and healthy until they weren't

Meltdown99

mrussel1 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Toronto gym bans vaccinated people from being members (blogto.com)

WTF...

The literal definition of a moron.  I hope he goes bankrupt.  

I don't get it...But I just found out that I got an Aunt and cousin that won't take the Vax.  The Aunt is near 90 and the cousin is in his 60s and just had a double by-pass 1.5 years ago...both live in Michigan.  I just got my 2nd dose a week ago...easy.  Oh. by the way, my aunt and cousin drink like fish and smoke...which makes their stance even dumber.

cblock4life

Merkin Baller said:

It sucks when people who act selfish and ignorant are appropriately labeled as selfish and ignorant. 

“Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.”

 Martin Luther King Jr.

gvn2fly1421

Here is what I have learned regarding the virus, not just here but nationwide-  If the information presented stays on message of the Party, then it is good.  If the information presented goes against the message, then it is fact-checked and labeled as misinformation.

JB16057

gvn2fly1421 said:

Here is what I have learned regarding the virus, not just here but nationwide-  If the information presented stays on message of the Party, then it is good.  If the information presented goes against the message, then it is fact-checked and labeled as misinformation.

And if you voted for Trump, you should be written off because that means you are a bad dude.

Remember when Biden and Harris sowed doubt in the vaccine only because Trump was President? Somehow that was acceptable.....

By the way, when you say "fact-checked", it needs parentheses around it.

cblock4life

gvn2fly1421 said:

Here is what I have learned regarding the virus, not just here but nationwide-  If the information presented stays on message of the Party, then it is good.  If the information presented goes against the message, then it is fact-checked and labeled as misinformation.

You just don’t get it - for some people this isn’t political - I don’t give a shit who you voted for - that’s OVER! But if some emeffer gets one of my grandchildren sick or god forbid worse then there in lies my problem. Now anyone can understand that, right? NOT POLITICAL AS FAR AS I’M CONCERNED! The instinct to protect our children and others children and each other is innate. Guess it’s just not in your DNA to even comprehend what I’m saying. 

Halifax2TheMax

JB16057 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Here is what I have learned regarding the virus, not just here but nationwide-  If the information presented stays on message of the Party, then it is good.  If the information presented goes against the message, then it is fact-checked and labeled as misinformation.

And if you voted for Trump, you should be written off because that means you are a bad dude.

Remember when Biden and Harris sowed doubt in the vaccine only because Trump was President? Somehow that was acceptable.....

By the way, when you say "fact-checked", it needs parentheses around it.

You mean remember like this?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/kamala-harris-not-trust-trump-vaccine-cnntv/index.html

The guy who told 25,000+ lies or made misleading statements as well as lied about the severity of covid and you expect people to take his word for it if his is the only word? Cray cray.

And if you voted for POOTWH, I question your moral compass and loyalty to your nation’s constitution.

F Me In The Brain

JB16057 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Here is what I have learned regarding the virus, not just here but nationwide-  If the information presented stays on message of the Party, then it is good.  If the information presented goes against the message, then it is fact-checked and labeled as misinformation.

And if you voted for Trump, you should be written off because that means you are a bad dude.

Remember when Biden and Harris sowed doubt in the vaccine only because Trump was President? Somehow that was acceptable.....

By the way, when you say "fact-checked", it needs parentheses around it.

(Allegedly)

mickeyrat

Sept 16 2020

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-speak-vaccine-politics-center-stage-process/story?id=73047767