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All righty.. here's today's talking points. Nice strawman. Pretty sure there's no laws on the books nor pending to make the vaccine mandatory, but keep that in the talking points to be safe.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/564319-house-gop-leaders-sav-vaccine-works-but-shouldn't-be-mandated
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mrussel1 said:All righty.. here's today's talking points. Nice strawman. Pretty sure there's no laws on the books nor pending to make the vaccine mandatory, but keep that in the talking points to be safe.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/564319-house-gop-leaders-sav-vaccine-works-but-shouldn't-be-mandated09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Halifax2TheMax said:mrussel1 said:All righty.. here's today's talking points. Nice strawman. Pretty sure there's no laws on the books nor pending to make the vaccine mandatory, but keep that in the talking points to be safe.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/564319-house-gop-leaders-sav-vaccine-works-but-shouldn't-be-mandated0 -
Halifax2TheMax said:mrussel1 said:All righty.. here's today's talking points. Nice strawman. Pretty sure there's no laws on the books nor pending to make the vaccine mandatory, but keep that in the talking points to be safe.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/564319-house-gop-leaders-sav-vaccine-works-but-shouldn't-be-mandated0 -
mrussel1 said:Halifax2TheMax said:mrussel1 said:All righty.. here's today's talking points. Nice strawman. Pretty sure there's no laws on the books nor pending to make the vaccine mandatory, but keep that in the talking points to be safe.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/564319-house-gop-leaders-sav-vaccine-works-but-shouldn't-be-mandated09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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mrussel1 said:All righty.. here's today's talking points. Nice strawman. Pretty sure there's no laws on the books nor pending to make the vaccine mandatory, but keep that in the talking points to be safe.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/564319-house-gop-leaders-sav-vaccine-works-but-shouldn't-be-mandatedI’m not blaming anyone that doesn’t get the vaccine for anything that happens, this is a societal problem, the fact that enough people have lost trust in one another and their public servants to seriously believe that this isn’t a substantial public health crisis is just sad.I don’t know what to do, but down talking and finger pointing and fact checking these people to death will not change anything. Based on the data most unvaccinated people still make it through ok without serious long term effects or death, that is what most unvaxxed latch onto. How do you counter message that? By calling them selfish assholes? Sorry but that isn’t going to change hearts and minds. Mandate the vaccine, or I guess people need to just get over it, because nothing is going to change if it hasn’t by now.Scio me nihil scire
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stuckinline said:What a hot mess this thread has become! I wish people would stop the 'blame' game regarding who said what. Please get vaccinated, and if you are not vaccinated - mask up!
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tempo_n_groove said:stuckinline said:What a hot mess this thread has become! I wish people would stop the 'blame' game regarding who said what. Please get vaccinated, and if you are not vaccinated - mask up!
Unless they changed something?
Yes, wearing a mask does help you from getting CV19
If you have an N95 mask that's even better
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static111 said:mrussel1 said:All righty.. here's today's talking points. Nice strawman. Pretty sure there's no laws on the books nor pending to make the vaccine mandatory, but keep that in the talking points to be safe.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/564319-house-gop-leaders-sav-vaccine-works-but-shouldn't-be-mandatedI’m not blaming anyone that doesn’t get the vaccine for anything that happens, this is a societal problem, the fact that enough people have lost trust in one another and their public servants to seriously believe that this isn’t a substantial public health crisis is just sad.I don’t know what to do, but down talking and finger pointing and fact checking these people to death will not change anything. Based on the data most unvaccinated people still make it through ok without serious long term effects or death, that is what most unvaxxed latch onto. How do you counter message that? By calling them selfish assholes? Sorry but that isn’t going to change hearts and minds. Mandate the vaccine, or I guess people need to just get over it, because nothing is going to change if it hasn’t by now.0 -
mrussel1 said:static111 said:mrussel1 said:All righty.. here's today's talking points. Nice strawman. Pretty sure there's no laws on the books nor pending to make the vaccine mandatory, but keep that in the talking points to be safe.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/564319-house-gop-leaders-sav-vaccine-works-but-shouldn't-be-mandatedI’m not blaming anyone that doesn’t get the vaccine for anything that happens, this is a societal problem, the fact that enough people have lost trust in one another and their public servants to seriously believe that this isn’t a substantial public health crisis is just sad.I don’t know what to do, but down talking and finger pointing and fact checking these people to death will not change anything. Based on the data most unvaccinated people still make it through ok without serious long term effects or death, that is what most unvaxxed latch onto. How do you counter message that? By calling them selfish assholes? Sorry but that isn’t going to change hearts and minds. Mandate the vaccine, or I guess people need to just get over it, because nothing is going to change if it hasn’t by now.Scio me nihil scire
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static111 said:mrussel1 said:static111 said:mrussel1 said:All righty.. here's today's talking points. Nice strawman. Pretty sure there's no laws on the books nor pending to make the vaccine mandatory, but keep that in the talking points to be safe.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/564319-house-gop-leaders-sav-vaccine-works-but-shouldn't-be-mandatedI’m not blaming anyone that doesn’t get the vaccine for anything that happens, this is a societal problem, the fact that enough people have lost trust in one another and their public servants to seriously believe that this isn’t a substantial public health crisis is just sad.I don’t know what to do, but down talking and finger pointing and fact checking these people to death will not change anything. Based on the data most unvaccinated people still make it through ok without serious long term effects or death, that is what most unvaxxed latch onto. How do you counter message that? By calling them selfish assholes? Sorry but that isn’t going to change hearts and minds. Mandate the vaccine, or I guess people need to just get over it, because nothing is going to change if it hasn’t by now.0 -
static111 said:mrussel1 said:static111 said:mrussel1 said:All righty.. here's today's talking points. Nice strawman. Pretty sure there's no laws on the books nor pending to make the vaccine mandatory, but keep that in the talking points to be safe.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/564319-house-gop-leaders-sav-vaccine-works-but-shouldn't-be-mandatedI’m not blaming anyone that doesn’t get the vaccine for anything that happens, this is a societal problem, the fact that enough people have lost trust in one another and their public servants to seriously believe that this isn’t a substantial public health crisis is just sad.I don’t know what to do, but down talking and finger pointing and fact checking these people to death will not change anything. Based on the data most unvaccinated people still make it through ok without serious long term effects or death, that is what most unvaxxed latch onto. How do you counter message that? By calling them selfish assholes? Sorry but that isn’t going to change hearts and minds. Mandate the vaccine, or I guess people need to just get over it, because nothing is going to change if it hasn’t by now.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
CM189191 said:tempo_n_groove said:stuckinline said:What a hot mess this thread has become! I wish people would stop the 'blame' game regarding who said what. Please get vaccinated, and if you are not vaccinated - mask up!
Unless they changed something?
Yes, wearing a mask does help you from getting CV19
If you have an N95 mask that's even better
I'm asking because I am curious and can't find anything like this on the CDC site. They did upgrade the homemade masks to 2 ply I see. That is also new to me.0 -
mrussel1 said:static111 said:I don’t know what to do, but down talking and finger pointing and fact checking these people to death will not change anything. Based on the data most unvaccinated people still make it through ok without serious long term effects or death, that is what most unvaxxed latch onto. How do you counter message that? By calling them selfish assholes? Sorry but that isn’t going to change hearts and minds. Mandate the vaccine, or I guess people need to just get over it, because nothing is going to change if it hasn’t by now.Just the other day, in France, Macron announced that vaccines would be required to do things like go to movie theaters, dine in restaurants, attend sporting events. In the space of 48 hours, some three million French people made appointments to get vaccinated.Can the government force you to get vaccinated? Probably not. On the other hand, you do not have a constitutional right to eat in a restaurant, go to a basketball game or attend a PJ concert -- or to be a plague vector. I think we are on the way to seeing similar requirements to those in France implemented here.And vaccinations have been required for work and school for a long time -- I assume most of you are old enough that you have children, yes? Vaccinations need to be up to date for school attendance. My son is entering graduate school in the fall, and he needed to submit his immunization info -- and I don't mean COVID (although proof of that vaccine is required) -- I mean DTaP, etc.All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.0
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mrussel1 said:static111 said:mrussel1 said:All righty.. here's today's talking points. Nice strawman. Pretty sure there's no laws on the books nor pending to make the vaccine mandatory, but keep that in the talking points to be safe.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/564319-house-gop-leaders-sav-vaccine-works-but-shouldn't-be-mandatedI’m not blaming anyone that doesn’t get the vaccine for anything that happens, this is a societal problem, the fact that enough people have lost trust in one another and their public servants to seriously believe that this isn’t a substantial public health crisis is just sad.I don’t know what to do, but down talking and finger pointing and fact checking these people to death will not change anything. Based on the data most unvaccinated people still make it through ok without serious long term effects or death, that is what most unvaxxed latch onto. How do you counter message that? By calling them selfish assholes? Sorry but that isn’t going to change hearts and minds. Mandate the vaccine, or I guess people need to just get over it, because nothing is going to change if it hasn’t by now.Post edited by JeBurkhardt on0 -
tbergs said:static111 said:mrussel1 said:static111 said:mrussel1 said:All righty.. here's today's talking points. Nice strawman. Pretty sure there's no laws on the books nor pending to make the vaccine mandatory, but keep that in the talking points to be safe.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/564319-house-gop-leaders-sav-vaccine-works-but-shouldn't-be-mandatedI’m not blaming anyone that doesn’t get the vaccine for anything that happens, this is a societal problem, the fact that enough people have lost trust in one another and their public servants to seriously believe that this isn’t a substantial public health crisis is just sad.I don’t know what to do, but down talking and finger pointing and fact checking these people to death will not change anything. Based on the data most unvaccinated people still make it through ok without serious long term effects or death, that is what most unvaxxed latch onto. How do you counter message that? By calling them selfish assholes? Sorry but that isn’t going to change hearts and minds. Mandate the vaccine, or I guess people need to just get over it, because nothing is going to change if it hasn’t by now.0 -
I read this morning that, through the end of April, 100 million Americans had been fully vaccinated. The CDC looked through their data and found that through the end of April there had been 10,000 cases of COVID reported in fully vaccinated people, of which 1,000 required hospitalization.Takeaways:1) They take as a *given* that there actually were more than 10,000 breakthrough cases, but most were asymptomatic, so those people don't even know that they were infected. These were just the cases severe enough to attract attention/ cause people to go get tested.2) Out of 100 million fully vaccinated people, ONE THOUSAND required hospitalization after contracting COVID. That means that the odds of contracting a case of COVID severe enough to require hospitalization, if you're fully vaccinated, are 1 in 100,000.3) I believe 94 of those people died, but I might have that number wrong. At any rate, the odds of dying of COVID after being fully vaccinated are approximately one in a million. Compare that with the mortality rate for unvaccinated people.I also saw a headline this morning from, I think, the Dallas Morning News (I'm so uncool that I read Apple News on the treadmill). It said that all but 24 COVID deaths in Texas, since February, were in unvaccinated people.All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.0
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One more thing before I go try to be productive:For those of you who are skeptical of liberal media, or who just want a more unbiased approach to news, some of the resources with the most neutral, fact-based approach are Bloomberg and Reuters. They have pandemic coverage, too.This is off the topic of vaccines, but since where we get our information influences how we see things, I'm including some links on bias and reliability in news sources.All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.0
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Speaking of politicizing covid, from Woodward’s Rage:
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Bentleyspop said:stuckinline said:What a hot mess this thread has become! I wish people would stop the 'blame' game regarding who said what. Please get vaccinated, and if you are not vaccinated - mask up!
But to too many people around the world, in this country, and on this site, being ignorant and selfish makes more sense to them.
Anger as French protesters compare vaccines to Nazi horrors
https://apnews.com/article/europe-health-government-and-politics-coronavirus-pandemic-race-and-ethnicity-e3757c1c51abd7ce56473c455f6f880d
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