Viruses / Vaccines

Zod

mickeyrat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mickeyrat said:

oftenreading said:

US will allow fully vaccinated nonessential travellers through the land borders starting in November.

https://apple.news/AwZ4lhupARoaTCYU_mPVHLg

this great news. hope it holds. been missing our twice a year conference weekends on erie up there...

you've been allowed to come up here and cross back as a citizen for some time, no?

unsure but our conference is held end of feb and end of july. so for what we do, timing wasnt good. still shut in July and it takes about 2 months for us to organize. so first of jan and first of june we had to know whats what.

yah our government opened up the border to vaccinated Americans last month I think it was.   It's nice now knowing I'll be able to do a roadtrip to the US.  I guess the question is what is going to make me brave enough to cross the border.   Probably a PJ concert.. lol.

mickeyrat

moderna booster approved yesterday and j&j set for approval vote today......

lastexitlondon

This country is an embarrassment 

josevolution

I’m headed to hospital this morning getting my booster shot! 

nicknyr15

lastexitlondon said:

This country is an embarrassment 

This world is an embarrassment. Every country, leader, “expert”, news outlet , WHO, Etc….  All exposed during this global crisis 

Meltdown99

nicknyr15 said:

lastexitlondon said:

This country is an embarrassment 

This world is an embarrassment. Every country, leader, “expert”, news outlet , WHO, Etc….  All exposed during this global crisis 

Yup.  I know our socialized health care system has been exposed.

lastexitlondon

Everyone  is fucking ill here
 Every person  you encounter all our  kids. Its pathetic 

nicknyr15

Meltdown99 said:

nicknyr15 said:

lastexitlondon said:

This country is an embarrassment 

This world is an embarrassment. Every country, leader, “expert”, news outlet , WHO, Etc….  All exposed during this global crisis 

Yup.  I know our socialized health care system has been exposed.

The flip flopping, the mis information, the agenda based nonsense that is prioritized over lives on both sides. It’s all disgusting. Anyone who is proud of their political side should be ashamed. I don’t see anything to be proud of, anywhere. 

benjs

nicknyr15 said:

Meltdown99 said:

nicknyr15 said:

lastexitlondon said:

This country is an embarrassment 

This world is an embarrassment. Every country, leader, “expert”, news outlet , WHO, Etc….  All exposed during this global crisis 

Yup.  I know our socialized health care system has been exposed.

The flip flopping, the mis information, the agenda based nonsense that is prioritized over lives on both sides. It’s all disgusting. Anyone who is proud of their political side should be ashamed. I don’t see anything to be proud of, anywhere. 

These days, all I can think about is how horrifically misaligned the incentive structure is within the government (and so many other entities). The wrong actions by politicians (i.e. insufficient short term bills watered down by partisan bickering, superficial goals designed to ) generate positive outcomes, like won re-elections, and opportunities to attain wealth through relationships with lobbyists. 

Until the wrong behaviours yield ramifications, or until the right behaviours provide better incentive - I don't see the logical path to things changing.

hedonist

What’s sad is that it’ll take those ramifications and little else.

Imagine if people actually behaved with integrity, compassion, self-respect and personal responsibility.

I know, dream away! 

Meltdown99

nicknyr15 said:

Meltdown99 said:

nicknyr15 said:

lastexitlondon said:

This country is an embarrassment 

This world is an embarrassment. Every country, leader, “expert”, news outlet , WHO, Etc….  All exposed during this global crisis 

Yup.  I know our socialized health care system has been exposed.

The flip flopping, the mis information, the agenda based nonsense that is prioritized over lives on both sides. It’s all disgusting. Anyone who is proud of their political side should be ashamed. I don’t see anything to be proud of, anywhere. 

Meltdown99 said:

nicknyr15 said:

lastexitlondon said:

This country is an embarrassment 

This world is an embarrassment. Every country, leader, “expert”, news outlet , WHO, Etc….  All exposed during this global crisis 

Yup.  I know our socialized health care system has been exposed.

My brother in law has had his hip surgery cancelled 3 times…he needs both done.  I need a stomach scope…been waiting 2 months for an app…after nearly 2 years no improvements have been made to the system.  Not much of a system that after nearly 2 years people are still having procedures delayed…

I got no use for politicians…no matter the political stripe…they are in it for themselves.  In Canada during a pandemic and recession politicians have raised taxes and their own salaries … while people have been losing their jobs.  And the people who had to go o. Canadas recovery benefit got about 1550 after taxes…lmfao.  This is best these overpaid politicians could do for our most vulnerable workers.  At least the politicians and government employees never missed a cheque…

lastexitlondon

The world has come undone

mrussel1

nicknyr15 said:

Meltdown99 said:

nicknyr15 said:

lastexitlondon said:

This country is an embarrassment 

This world is an embarrassment. Every country, leader, “expert”, news outlet , WHO, Etc….  All exposed during this global crisis 

Yup.  I know our socialized health care system has been exposed.

The flip flopping, the mis information, the agenda based nonsense that is prioritized over lives on both sides. It’s all disgusting. Anyone who is proud of their political side should be ashamed. I don’t see anything to be proud of, anywhere. 

It's pretty easy to throw stones in the fog of war.  No one had been through this... ever.  And yet we think everyone is going to get public health policy right every single time,  for 350 million Americans and the world? There is never one answer that works for everyone.  

brianlux

Meltdown99 said:

nicknyr15 said:

lastexitlondon said:

This country is an embarrassment 

This world is an embarrassment. Every country, leader, “expert”, news outlet , WHO, Etc….  All exposed during this global crisis 

Yup.  I know our socialized health care system has been exposed.

Health care systems here and in many places are badly in need of improvements, for sure.  At the same time, self health care is weakened by such statistics as:

Number of fast food meals served in America each day: 50,000,000

Amount of soda pop consumed by the average American each year: 39 gallons

Amount of sugar the average American consumes:  17 teaspoons per day/ 57 pounds each year

Average number of hours Americans sleep each night:  5 1/2

Percentage of people who engage in sports or exercise each day: 19.3%

That's in America.  I don't know how this compares to other countries.

mrussel1

I look at the success of the vaccine,  the therapeutics,  and now the pills that cut mortality in half and marvel at how successful ît has been.  Truly amazing partnership between govt and big Pharma to have a vaccine in 9 months and in less than 13 months,  just about anyone could have it. 

Meltdown99

lastexitlondon said:

The world has come undone

Yup.  Not just the UK…and as usual the politicians and the rich got richer…of course the rich the line politicians pockets at election time and the politicians ensure the rich  don’t pay their fair share of taxes…pretty fucked up.

mrussel1

Oh Jesus,  after a trillion dollars in stimulus,  free vaccine,  enormously supplemented unemployment benefits,  rent deferral,  a year+ of student loan deferrals,  fed backed mortgage deferment... all this belly aching.  I guess we all should be pissed that Bezos didn't pay off all of our mortgages. Give me a fucking break. 

mrussel1

Meltdown99 said:

lastexitlondon said:

The world has come undone

Yup.  Not just the UK…and as usual the politicians and the rich got richer…of course the rich the line politicians pockets at election time and the politicians ensure the rich  don’t pay their fair share of taxes…pretty fucked up.

So how did your politicians get richer? Be super specific here.  Did parliament give itself a giant raise? Did they get tax breaks that you didn't? Was there some giant vaccine kickback law that I didn't hear about? 

Meltdown99

The Canadian federal liberal government is advising against non essential travel.  This advisory only applies to us peons…because these are the same shitheads that called an unnecessary election,  the mr blackface leader criss crossed the country for no reason, he also flew across the country to go surfing on a holiday he created for indigenous peoples…what bs and people wonder why vaccine hesitancy exist considering the politicians claimed get vaccinated and things return to normal…and I believe Canada is well over 75% vaccines if not higher.

These shitheads travel wherever they want and whenever, yet I can’t cross to see the stones without taking a PCs test in order to re
-enter my country…just bullshit by an incompetent government.

mrussel1

Meltdown99 said:

The Canadian federal liberal government is advising against non essential travel.  This advisory only applies to us peons…because these are the same shitheads that called an unnecessary election,  the mr blackface leader criss crossed the country for no reason, he also flew across the country to go surfing on a holiday he created for indigenous peoples…what bs and people wonder why vaccine hesitancy exist considering the politicians claimed get vaccinated and things return to normal…and I believe Canada is well over 75% vaccines if not higher.

These shitheads travel wherever they want and whenever, yet I can’t cross to see the stones without taking a PCs test in order to re
-enter my country…just bullshit by an incompetent government.

So in other words,  you can travel,  you just have to take a test.  Is that right? And do you know affirmatively that govt officials are exempt from the test?